t'1* firemen found very little work to do.
The fire had started tn the pile of coal
near the furnace, and It was quickly ex
tinguished. About $30 damage resulted.
No. 9 engine company went to the resi
dence of Mrs. A dele Hlllyer, 20CJ1 Hlllyer
place, about lO o'clock yesterday morning
and extinguished a blaze In the chimney.
No damage was done.
Burning rags about a gas meter in
the vestibule at the house of J. M.
Itenherton. 922 N street northwest, yes
terday morning, caused the melting of
;i lead connection, and the escape of
uas followed. The gas ignited and did
about $10 damage.
At the house of Mrs. Ella Thomas.
>03 New Hampshire avenue northwest,
yesterday morning, the bursting of the
eater back in the stove caused about
A portiere caught tire from a lighted
lamp in the house of Mrs. Rena Hine,
Soi* Rhode Island avenue northwest,
about noon yesterday. The blaze did
about 110 damage. >
An overheated stove caused a blaze
1 i?t night in house 1310 C street north
\vi st. Firemen of No. 3 truck extin
guished the blaze after about $1? dam
age had been done.
Contributions for Charity. .
The Star today received the following j
contributions for Tho Associated Char- j
Cash. $3: Anne K. Howell, $1; V. P.
II. 12: 1'. and S.. $2; Margaret R.
Shafer. c. M.. ?>: M. 11. 1\. $1.
NEW YORK WARMING UP.
frigid Wave Is Broken by Snow
storm From the West.
NEW YORK. January 15.?A fairly
? avv snowstorm early today broke
i lie frigid cold wave which came from
Tie west and has now passed out to
sea. The storm wa* the eoldest ex
perienced in years. Many lives were
' lost and train schedules both in the
? ?ast and the west were interrupted
There were many wrecks at sea and
incoming liners arrived incrusted with
lee. Milder weather is promised by
the weather bureau.
The steamship t. Louis came in to
day from Southampton, after a pas
sage in which she encountered heavy
s-as which poured over her bows with
crushing weight and broke the rails
about the foredeck and bridge. The
spray froze where It fell
Forty Persons Marooned by Ice.
HASTINGS, N. Y.. January 15.?Some
forty persons. Including two women
and four children, were still marooned
m day on two tugs, Bismark and Prin
< ess. and four barges which became
fast in the ice floe near here. The Ice
" is not strong enough to walk upon,
and in places there are holes.
i't'LI'TH. Minn., January 15.?During:
?lie night the temperature here dropped
o 25 degrees below zero. The cold is
? ompanied by a hitter northwest wind.
Kentucky Roads Blockaded.
WHITESBURG. Ky., January 15.?
Snow blockades have closed all the Ken
tucky mountain roads to traffic. Sup
plies in the stores of small towns are
running low. and suffering may follow,
as the snow when it melts will cause
freshets in the streams, whose beds
compose the wagon roads much of the
way. Many streams are frozen to the
MEMPHIS, Tenn.. January 15.?The
surface of the Mississippi river at Mem
"phis is covered with floating blocks of
Ice. and not a single boat will depart
from this harbor today, according to
announcement by owners last night.
Ice Gorge in the Ohio.
LOUISVILLE, Ky., January 15.?Ice
floes measuring acres in extent are
'caught in the current above gthe falls
of the Ohio here, and a solid sheet ex
pends out from the shore a third of the
-way-across the river. * * '
The river fell a half foot yesterday, i
and rivermen believe the formation of,
a gorge to be Inevitable, ^ j t
NORFOLK IS FROST BOUND.
rStreets Covered With Sleet: Man
Frozen to Death.
NORFOLK. Va.. January 15.?With her
streets covered in sleet until they could
i>e used as frozen streams for sleighing
and skating. Norfolk today sufTered as
she had not In many years before. North-,
? ast winds brought moisture from the
\tlantie oeean. causing rain and snow
that froze as fast as it fell during the
night. Conditions under foot were se
?v.rer today than ever known before.
, M. Rofkovitz. aged sixty years, wlfose
"borne was in Baltimore, was found frozen
to death In an open hallVay here today.
His body is being held for his family in
QUESTION FBI STATES
President Dissents From Sug
gestion That Time Is Ripe
to Push Proposition.
President Taft, in a letter to Rev. H.
Pereira-Mendcz. of New York, president
?f the I'nion of Orthodox Jewish Congre
gations of tho 1'nlted States and Canada,
briefly expresses his views as to proposed
compulsory arbitration in industrial dis
putes. The New York minister wrote the
President suggesting that the time is ripe
to push th#- proposition of compulsory
arbitration, but the ITesbient does not
fully agree with him. as shown in the fol
lowing from his letter:
Compulsory arbitration in industrial
ontroversies is one which would have to
!>?? dealt with primarily by the states
rather than the federal government. The
principal Held in which the federal gov
? rnment ?ould act would be that of con
troversies between railroads and their
??mployes, and a step has already been
t;iken ther?> by providing a mechanism
t'.f voluntary arbitration. It is doubtful
whether any proposition lor compulsory
arbitration of these disputes would at
tiiis time meet with sutheient favor to
bring such procedure within the realm
? <f present possibilities."
Wi%h Title of "Customs Court."
II. M Somerville. president of the board
? i" general appraisers of New York, and
ex-Representative s. 11. Cooper of Texas,
a nu mb* r of the same body, called on
'the President today with Representative
Clayton of Alabama, chairman of the
llsuse Judiciary committee. The loard
of appraisers wishes its title changed to
the customs court," and Mr. Somerville
asked the President If such a change
would l?e satisfactory to him.
The President assured his visitors
that it would, and said that the change
was proper in view of the duties of
? ?e board being wholly of a judicial
i ature. lie would approve a bill
changing the name, he said. The Cus
toms Court of Appeals sits in this city,
while the board of appraisers has its
headquarters in N??w York, where it
receives and considers all appeals from
the decisions of customs officers and
ii:e Treasury I>vpartment as to customs
President Going Away Friday.
President Taft will be out of town two
? a\s the last of this week. He is
cieduled to leave here early Friday
morning for New Haven, where he is
to attend a meeting of the Yale Corpora
tion. Friday night the President will
sr>eak before the New Havyn Chamber
of Commerce. Saturday afternoon, after
luncheon with l*resident Hadley of Yale,
lie will go to New York, where he has
several important appointments, and
where be will again confer with New
York republican leaders. Saturday night
he will address the New York State Bar
Association and later make a short visit
to the Genesee Society and to the
Twenty-Feur Carat Society, an organisa
tion of Jewelers.
. > - ; : ? *.
American * Association Begins
Sixth Annual Convention.
DELEGATES ARE LATE
Trains From the West Held Up by
the Severe Weather.
ADDRESS BY MB. ALLERDICE
President of Organization Declares
Its Purpose to Be Improved
Several hundred of the men who pur
vey the carcasses from which the butcher
hews the aristocratic porterhouse, the
high priced rib roast, the morning chops
or humbler cuts, are meeting in Wash
ington today, tomorrow and Wednesday,
the occasion being the sixth annual con
vention of the American Meat Packers'
Association. All the sessions are to be
held In the New Wlllard, and between
seven hundred and one thousand dele
gates are expected.
Scheduled to open at 10 o'clock this
morning, the convention did not begin
until 2 this afternoon, the delay being
occasioned by the severe weather, which
held up a number of trains, special and
regular, conveying delegations to Wash
ington. The special from Chicago, due
early this morning, did not reach the
city until nearly noon, and other trains
were equally late. For this reason, the
morning session was postponed, and the
afternoon and morning programs were
Welcomed by Commissioner. ?
Following the address of welcome by
Cuno H. Rudolph, chairman of the Dis
trict of Columbia board of Commis
sioners, Joseph Allerdlce of Indian
apolis, president of the association,
spoke to the delegates. IJr. Aliurdice
referred to the objects of' the organ
ization, which are: To lawfully fur
ther and protect the interests of the
meat packers of the United States; to
encourage improvement In production,
and to disseminate information. He
spoke of the work that has been done
by the association In distributing and
interpreting the inspection- laws, say
ing that the members and officers of
the organization have worked hand in
hand with the government's, inspectors
In interpreting and applying these
laws. Taking up the actual business
of the packers, he spoke of the de
velopment of the packing Industry,
made possible by the invention of re
frigerating machinery, etc., and de
clared that under existing conditions
GEORGE L MCCARTHY,
as to ranges, pasturage and the like
the packing industry is not only a bip
commercial proposition, but an actual
and vital necessity if a steady and ad
equate food supply is to be maintained
at all seasons of the year.
Nothing to Fear From Laws.
"We are just caterers," said President
Allerdlce, "and should be on very con
fidential terms with the public. We hear
much about government supervision and
regulation of corporations. We cannot see
that the puckers have anything to fear
from such laws, if enacted on proper
lines. In fact, we believe that such laws
would enable us to take the public into
our confidence and relieve the packing
industry of the misapprehension enter
tained by the public regarding the ex
cessive margin of profit In the business.
With the prejudice of the public and
press eliminated ii is fair to assume that
the packers would receive better treat
ment from the public in the future than
they have received ir. the past."
Theodore O. Vllter, chairman of the
executive committee of the American As
sociation of Refrigeration, followed Presi
dent Allerdice. and spoke of the third in
ternational congress of refrigeration, to
be held in Chicago In 1013. saying that
forty countries are expected to send rep
resentative. At the last congress, held
in Vienna last year, thirty-three countries
Other addresses this afternoon were- by
Secretary Wilson of the Department of
Agriculture and Dr. A. D. Melvin. chief
of the bureau of animal industry. Dr. H.
M. Bracken, executive officer of the Min
nesota state board of health, read a paper
on "State Inspection of Meats," and John
Barrett, director of the bureau of Ameri
can republics, delivered an address on
the meat packing industry of South
Reports Held Over.
The reports of the several committees,
the treasurer and other official matters
which were to have been presented at the
opening session were held over until to
Delegates will be entertained tonight
with a vaudeville performance, to be
Cven In the grand ballroom of the New
illard. Tomorrow night the annual ban
quet, an "all-American dinner," wlll.be
held In the'main dining room of the ho
tel.' It Is expected that more than 500
delegates^and guests will sit at the ban
quet tables " *
Telegrams; %-ere received today from,
r~ ? -
several packers who. for one reason or
another, cannot attend the convention.
Among 'these telegrams are the follow
"CHICAGO, January 15.?I am very
sorty that I am . unable <o'**e .wtth you
today. I extend to xOu n? corhpltments
and best wishes. '
? J. O^DEN ARMOUR"
"CHICAGO, January 15.?Regret very
much that I am unable to be with you
this week, but I am detained here mak
ing explanations on why the packers'
profits are so large.
"T. J. CONNORS."
Both telegrams are from packers undei*
indictment in Chicago.
Commissioners Would Amend
Child Labor Law.
BOYS SELLING ON STREETS
Bill Favored Substituting 8:30 for
10 P.M. as Time Limit
Washington boys will be prohibited
from selling merchandise and engaging
in other occupations on the streets
after 8:30 o'clock at night* instead of
10 o'clock, as now permitted, if Con-^
gress acts favorably on a bill forward
ed A the House District committee by
the Commissioners today. ^
The bill, which contains several;
amendments to the present child labor
law, was introduced, at the Instance of j
the Commissioners, two years ago. In
their opinion, say the District heads, it
is preferable to the bill amending the
child labor law which was introduced j
in the House by Representative Rob
erts December 6 last, and which \^as j
referred to them for a report.
The presence of children on the j
streets at unseasonable hours, engag
ing in various employments and "loiter
ing In idleness In front of barrooms
and other objectionable places," states j
the report, is the occasion for the rec
ommendation that children be not al
lowed the use of the streets for busi
ness purposes later than 8:30 p.m. The
recommendation, it is said, Is con
curred in by officials of the police de
Age of Night Messenger Boys.
The Commissioners report adversely on
the provision contained in the Roberts
bill fixing the minimum age of persons
employed In the messenger service be
tween 9 o'clock p.m. and 6 o'clock a-m.
at twenty-one years. The present law
establishes the minimum age at sixteen
For the reason that officials of the com- I
panles to whom such service is rendered i
are, in the opinion of the Commissioners,
persons who are judicious in the selec
tion of employes, and the fact that call
boxes have been removed from objec
tionable resorts, the Commissioners say
that they are not prepared to favor the
propo3 :d modification' in the present law.
Children in Stage Performances.
Attention is directed in the report to
the failure of the Roberts bill to include
section sixteen of the present law, which
provides that nothing in the child labor
law shall apply to the employment of
any child in a theatrical exhibition, pro
vided the written consent of one of the j
Commissioners is first obtained.
"There are reasons both in favor of.
and against such legislation," assert
the Commissioners. "The direction
given by this section is susceptible to
abuse by the opportunity it affords fpr
the employment of children in cheap
theaters for exhibition of their skill
and talents for popular amusement,
which is liable to interfere with their
school work by the effect of the late
hours such employment involves: and
to expose them to undesirable sur
roundings. On the other hand, em
ployment of this kind is frequently I
obtained by mothers and guardians of j
such children who thus derive a ma
teriul portion of the means needful for j
their support. There are also occa
sional instances in which the employ
ment of children in the. larger theaters
Is essential to the proper staging of
plays, where the exposure of the chil
dren to hardship or other injurious in- |
fluences is minimized. The Commis
sioners have no reports tending to
show that any of the permits thus far j
issued under that section have en- j
tailed hurtful consequences. It is,'
therefore, for Congress to determine |
the advisability of rescinding the legis
lation contained in this section, which
would be the case if the bill should be |
enacted with that section excluded."
Republicans Fail in Effort to
Get Madden Bill Before
A fight to secure action on the Mad
den bill for a physical valuation of all
railroad property in the United States
was made In the House today. Repub
lican Leader Mann asked immediate
consideration, and all representatives
were hurriedly sent for.
The Madden bill has been before the
Interstate commerce committee since its
introduction April 4 last. Mr. Mann to
day called up Mr. Maddcn's motion to
discharge the committee from further
consideration of the bill. Democratic
Leader Underwood immediately insfltuted
a call of the House.
Provisions of the Bill.
The Madden bill would authorise the in
terstate commerce commission to begin
at once a valuation of all the property of
railroads to establish a basis for scientific
making of rates, employing all necessary
engineers and experts for the work.
The assembling of the democratic
forces quickly ended the efforts of the
republicans to get the valuation bilf be
fore the House. Democratic Leader Un
derwood demanded a vote by tellers on
seconding the Mann motion, and the re
publicans lost the fight for consideration
of the measure by 71 to 101.
RTTINS COVER $5,000,000,000.
Immense Sum in Mercantile Vaults
Under Fire Debris.
NEW YORK, January 15. ? There is
probably 16,000,000,000 In . the vaults
of the Mercantile Safe Deposit Com
pany,' now covered up In the ruins of
the burned Equitable building, according
to an estimate made by W. B. Brenner,
assistant treasurer of the Equitable Life
Assurance Company, which controls the
Five billion dollars is nearly twice as
much money as Is in circulation in the
United States. It would pay the national
debt and leave a balance greater than the
1 combined fortunes of John D. Rockefeller,
Andrew Carnegie and J.. P. Morgan. If
the five billions were divided among the
population of the United 8tates each per
son would get more than 150.
There are thousands of boxes in the
vaults, and the contents include stocks,
bonds, securities, cash and Jewelry, repre
senting practically the entire assets 9t
about 40.000 individuals, estates and eoc
Proposed Probe of. Three So
ALLEGED SHIP COMBINE
Action to Be Taken by House Com
mittee on Rules.
HUMPHREY PRESENTS - ? FACTS
Tells of Discrimination by Foreign
Lines Against Ameri
. '*? v
The.House committee* on rules today
began probing into the question of
sweeping investigations into the so
iall0() money, shipping and harvester
trusts. The investigations were asked
in a resolution regarding the "money
trust"' l?y Representative Lindbergh of
Minnesota, "shipping combine" by Rep
resentative Humphrey of Washington
and the International Harvester Com
pany by Representatives Foster of Illi
nois and l?ebeck of Nebraska.
The fommittee probably will suggest
the appointment of a special conimit
tee to conduct a Joint investigation of
the trio of industrial concerns.
Attorney General Wickeraham was not
on hand when .tjic committee met, but
Representative Humphrey of Washington
was the bearer of a letter from Mr.
Wickersham to Chairman Henry of the
rules committee explaining that he was
Just back from Panama and had a date
of long standing to speak In New York.
The letter Informed Mr. Henry that in the
opinion of the Attorney General there
was nothing in the Humphrey resolution
which might interfere in any way with
the government's suit against the pooling
agreement between the North Atlantic
steamship lines, and that the investiga
tion proposed'would be of public benefit.
Agreement of Pacific Lines.
Mr. Humphrey presented to the commit
tee a paper which he laid was a Copy of
the contract in f<5rco between the lines of
the Pacific. He had obtained it, he said,
as a result of "some men Quarreling
among themselves." He added that it
was "the ordinary, deferred rebate con
tract" and that it embraced the Hill
steamship Interest connected with the
Great Northern railroad and the steam
ship interests of the Southern Pacific.
"Is that agreement made with the Hill
railroad?" asked Representative Foster
"No," replied Mr. Humphrey, "the rail
roads do not enter into it."
"You say they have nothing to do with
it?" continued Mr. Foster.
"No, I didn't say that," responded Mr.
Humphrey. "I suspect they have a great
deal to do with it."
Mr. Humphrey directed the attention of
the committee to the fact that all the
passenger rates between this country and
Europe are fixed In German money.
"As a result," he said, "an American
citizen traveling across the Atlantic ocean
pays 4 per cent more than the foreigner
pays to sail on the same ship, owing to
the discount being against him. Four per
cent sounds small, but the arnuial total
of such discounts Is very large."
Injury to American Trade.
An American consul In Brazil was men
tioned by Mr. Humphrey as authority
for the statement that' the foreign com
panies charge 20 per cent more for carry
ing freight from the United States to
South America than for the same serv
ice from Europe to- South America.
"Why," he said, "the rate from the
United States to South America, via Eu
rope, Is about the same as the rate from
the United States to South America di
rect. Also, these steamship lines will
carry a passenger from Brazil to Europe
and from Europe over here for ?1J0,
while the rate from Brazil directly to the
United States is $150."
"Why Is that?" inquired Representa
tive Wilson of Illinois.
"To throw business to Europe," Mr.
Humphrey replied, "to keep South Ameri
can merchants out of New York, Phila
delphia and other great markets In this
country until thes* have made their con
tracts "and bought their goods."
"What power has this government to
regulate these discriminations?" inquired
Representative Hardwick of Georgia.
Mr. Humphrey, replying, exprcsaed the
belief that the government might have
some power under the Sherman law
which might be strengthened by supple
Mr. Hardwick referred to the fact that
the British government had appointed a
commission to Inquire into the shipping
"That commission in its report," ex
plained Mr. Humphrey, "expressed the
opinion that the trust operated for the
best interests of British commerce and
recommended that it be permitted to con
"Can we regulate this matter without
getting Into trade wars all over the United
States?" asked Mr. Hardwick. "Wouldn't
It invite retaliation?"
"Not at all," replied Mr. Humphrey, "I
don't think we would have, any trouble
of that sort, although, of course, the for
eign steamship companies would fight our
effort to regulate to the very last min- j
Prohibitive Bate Charged.
Mr. Humphrey gave another Instance of
alleged discrimination against the trade
of the United States with South America.
He said that Brazil, in an effort to build
up commerce between that country and
this, had established a twenty per-cent
preferential on cement and some other
commodities, which just about equalized
the twenty per-cent discrimination in
rates imposed by the foreign steamship
As a result of this preferential, a firm
in this country sola some cement In
Brazil and obtained a large contract
for this year. The contract could not
be filled, however, as no steamship out
of New York for Brazil would carry
the cement for Jess tfran $l-"0 a ton
more than the old rate, which made
the total prohibitive.
"And thev left the rate from Europe
to Brazil the -same?" inquired Repre
sentative Stanley of Kentucky?
"Yes," Mr. Humphrey replied. And
I ean give you other instances of the
Necessity for Investigation.
Tho Washington member then referred
to the opening of the Panama canal In
the not far distant future, and to the
necessity for Investigating the shipping
trust prior to that time.
"After the canal Js opened," said Mr.
Humphrey, "the foreign lines will per
mit no real competition if we let them
continue ss they have in the past. They
would tlx the rates through the canal Just
as they now fix the rates for all over the
Mr. Stanley Inquired if Mr. Humphrey
knew of any rebates that had been given
on shipments part by water and part by
"That is a hard question to answer,"
replied the Washington member, Inas
much as the land proportion of the
through rate is not published."
Bail and Shipping Interests.
"Are the Hill lines and the Hill ships
owned by the same people?" Mr. Stanley
"The steamship Minnesota, I believe,"
Mr. Humphrey answered, "Is owned by
the Great Northern. That is the only
ship they have now,. since the. other
was wrecked." ....
"Do you know if there are Interlock
ing directors of the Hill railway and
steamship interests?" Mr. Stanley per
"Oh, there Is no controversy about
that" Mr. Humphrey replied. "They
are-admittedly owned by the same in
"If you can demonstrate that they are
under the same ownership." Mr. Stan
ley-continued, "and U|at ? rebates have
been given on part water and part rait
rates. I think you will find the case
within the jurisdiction of the interstate
Mr. Humphrey said he knew it to be
a fact that steel, could be sad had
been shipped more cheaply from Pitts
burgh to Manila than from Seattle to
Manila, and that freight could be sent
'from Germany to Salt Lake City
cheaper than from Cincinnati to the
"These people." said Mr. Stanley, "in
their efforts to dodge the interstate
commerce act on the one side ma*
have dodged into the jurisdiction of
Congress on the other." He asked Mr.
Humphrey if the latter had directed
the attention of the interstate com
merce commission to the question of
whether land and water shipments on
the Hill rail and water routes to the
orient were made on a through rate
basis or constituted two independent
Mr. Humphrey said that he had not.
Boycotting of Newspapers.
Mr. Humphrey's testimony was much
along the lines he lAs presented to Con
gress in^ past'? sessions' as to steamship
line conference^ and pooling agreements.
He said there Was an angreement among
the steamship lines to support no news
papers that favored an American mer
chant marine .or. were.hostile to the con
One of the great necessities for this in
vestigation, Mr. Humphrey ' urged, was
to find out whether dlscriininatory rates
are in violation of treaty obligations of
the foreign countries with the I'nited
States. He believed -some of the foreign
lines were'partly owned by foreign gov
ernments. The 'Emperor of Germany, he
said, was interested as a stockholder in
some of the foreign -lines. *
(Continued from First Page.)
places not reached by the telegraph
systems, and the proposed consolida
tion would therefore afford a favorable
opportunity for the wide extension of
In many small towns.where the tele
graph companies have offices the tele
graph and mail businesscould be readily
handled' by the same employes- The
separate maintenance of the two services
under present conditions results. In a
needless expense. As a matter of fact,
the first telegraph in the United States
was operated from 1844 to 1847 by the
government under authority from Con
gress. and It 1s most desirable that the
government control be resumed.
"A method has been already prescribed
fpr the taking over of the tflegraph lines
by section 5267 of the Revised Statutes,
which provides that the government may,
for postal, military or other purposes,
purchase telegraph lines operating in the
United States at an appraised value. Mr.
Hitchcock hopes that Congress will speed
ily enact legislation in harmony with this
law providing for the taking over by the
government of the existing telegraph
systems at terms that shall be fair to
their present owners. Every reason for
the transmission of intelligence by mail
under government control can be urged
with equal force for a similar transmis
sion of telegraphic communications.
Proper Extension of Service. ,
"Because of the more extensive organi
zation maintained by the postal 'service
and the freedom from taxation and other
charges to which a private corporation
is subject the government undoubtedly
will be able to afford greater telegraphic
facilities at lower rates to the people than
the companies now conducting the busi
ness. Next to the introduction of a parcel
post, for which there is already a strong
popular demand, the establishment of a
government telegraph system, in the
opinion of the Postmaster General, offers
the best opportunity for the profitable ex
tension of our postal business. He sees
no reason why the United Statfes should
lag behind other nations in enlarging Its
post office system to- Include not only
postal savings, but also parcel post and
government telegraph facilities."
The federal statute to which Mr.
Hitchcock referred reads as follows:
"The I'nited States may, for postal,
military or other purposes, purchase all
the telegraph lines, property and effects
of any or all companies, acting under
the provision of the act of July 24. 1806,
entitled 'An act to aid 1n the construction
of telegraph lines and to secure to the
government the use of the same for
postal, military and other purposes," or
under this title, at an appraised value, to
be ascertained by five competent, disin
terested persons, two of whom shall be
selected by the Postmaster General of
the United States, two by the company
Interested and one by the four so pre
Hitchcock's Project Starts
Discussion on Capitol Hill
There was no disposition at the Capitol
today to avoid any serious consideration
of Postmaster General Hitchcock's pro
posed plan of acquiring the telegraph
In the House, Representative Moon of
Tennessee, chairman of the post office
committee, announced that the matter
would be given earnest attention.
"The question of government owner
ship of public utilities is a great one that
needs long and careful consideration,"
said Mr. Moon. "If Postmaster General
Hitchcock's plans are embodied in a bill
to be introduced In Congress, and the bill
? comes to this committee, it certainly will
be given thorough investigation. Such a
proposal never has been before Congress
that I know of. As to the merits of the
proposal I could have nothing to say
until I had heard a Mil incorporating the
details of the proposed scheme."
Cullom Favors Project.
Senator Cullom of Illinois, head of the
foreign relations committee, aligned him
self with the plan. "On the theory that
the telegraph is a part of the mails."
said he, "it seems to me that ft would
not be out of place for the government
to own the telegraph lines."
Senator William Alden Smith of Michi
gan declared that while opposed to gov
ernment absorption of public utilities for
years he believed that the telegraph
could be more appropriately acquired
than any other branch of commercial
activity. He said:
"I have steadfastly opposed the gov
ernment ownership of the public utilities
for many years, for the reason that 1
have felt that these enterprises would be
more serviceable If initiated and carried
through by f>rlvate capital. The prestige
enjoyed by American citizens is due to
their unhampered Individual initiative,
and this I would preserve; but as a nat
ural appurtenance to the postal system
I have felt that the telegraph could be
more appropriately operated by the gov
ernment thart any other branch of In
Benefit to the Public.
"The telegraph could be conducted from
the post offices, and the people accommo
dated without unreasonable cost, while
the government could communicate
promptly with Its officials without the
necessity of filtering its messages through
the hands of the representatives of pri
Speaker Clark declared that a govern
i ment telegraph was too big a subject to
I discuss until all 'the details of the Post
master General's plan became known.
Democratic Leader Underwood and Re
publican Leader Mann of the House
treated the project gingerly.
"The relation of the Poet Office Depart
ment to the express companies must be
disposed of before its relation to the tele
graph systems can be passed upon," said
Mr. Mann. "Both subjects cannot be
handled at once. I am confident the par
cels post question will have to be settled
? ?!?? atfsntlnn tha
eels post qunuuu ?ui n
before Congress can give attention to the
government acquisition of the .telegraph
Many House members, both democratic
and republican, expressed entire sym
pathy with the plan. One obstacle they
advanced was the difficulty of so adjust
ing the relations between the railroads
and the telegraph lines that the latter
oould be operated through the Post Office
Wants * Fair Price.
"I am in entire sympathy with the plan
to acquire the telegraph lines of the coun
try to be operated as an adjunct of the
postal system," said Representative Bur
leson of Texas, the ranking democratic
member of the House appropriations
committee, "but it must, not be at a fic
titious value. The Postmaster General
suggests the value of the lines to be
close to $250.000.000; but the government
should take nothing but the findings of
a federal ?commission as the basis for
payment. I would favor giving the bena
!!!?? the doubt to the telegraph com
panies in fixing a reasonable price; but
the government should in no oase be
mulcted to the extent of paying for the
water in the great organisations."
ik . ^'"Jg republican members declared
that unless telegraph tolls are materialiy
u i J *** a *en?rai sentiment
Ski? ^TJnJ*VOr ot the ??v<*"iment
taking hold of (h* systems.
Wants Parcels Poet First.
Senator Jonathan Bourne, jr.. chairman
or the Senate committee on post offices
and post roads, before which any legisla
tion to cam* out Mr. Hitchcock's pro
posal would go, had this to say this aft
ra?L^m? n-abie lo understand the decla
ration alleged to have been made by
L?Sl??^r ??neral "itohcock in favor
of government ownership of tel^^raoh
lines. When the advocates of an enSSK
parcc,s P?8t serv
Jected u> thl ? View" 80me Ume' he <*>
uJv. . enactment of a law rstab
lihing sucji service and asked for an a.n
^DendUfnn ?f ,1/W'000 w,1?ch he could
fxpend in experiments on a few rural
enjarge a serMce we already have, wlth
expeHmenUn/ h"ndrcd th?u?and dollars
experimenting we are certainlv in no
^erJice? Undertake an entirely new
?'Personally I doubt if the Postmaster
trfbut^i authortaed the statement at
tributed to him. Last Auirust it n-n?
stated in a Washington paper that he
Sta from for sayln* hc had collected
lrct nMhi c?untf1es on the sub
flUMfi,! hLP ? 6 s J?>?t. I repeatedly re
l. !f ^ J? submit that data for the
of t*1? Senate committee on post of
8 an^ Post roads, but received no re
severa' weeks, and then Mr.
SmiS^ repud^ted the Interview and
admitted that he had not collected the
"Possibly the time may come when we
lmlntn^M? make the telegraph an ad
junct of the postal service, but Just at
present we want a parcels post, and I hone
tiie interjection of other subjects, such as
one-cent letter postage and government
telegraph service, will not be permitted to
divert attention from this."
"Idiosyncrasy," Says Adamson.
I don t think democratic representa
tives are called on to vote every time
Postmaster General Hitchcock springs an
idiosyncrasy," added Representative Ad
amson. "He is not the great democratic
Senator Stone of (Missouri, who has been
much opposed to government ownership
or railroads, said: "I can see more good
reasons why the government should own
the telegraph than why it should own the
' Senator Borah of Idaho: "I am in favor
of the general proposition."
Senator Fletcher of Florida: "Ordinari
y I ?a7e not h?6" ,n favor of such things
and I don t know that I would favor this,
but I would not commit myself until I
have had an opportunity to study it."
Representative Sherley' of Kentucky:
The government could much better, at
the present time, figure upon a proper
method of handling parcels post than to
attempt to deal with the telegraph ques
tion. I have not investigated the lattei
Time Not Ripe for Discussion.
Representative Kitchln of North
Carolina, a member of the ways and
means committee,. and brother of the
governor of that state, opposed a dis
cussion of the question of public own
ership of telegraph lines at this time.
My own idea is that it might be a
proper addition to the postaTsystem of
the country," -said Mr. Kitchin. "but
this is not the time to discuss the
great subject of acquiring the tele
graph systems. There are enough im
portant things before the American
peoplo to engross their attention."
COMES AS A SUBPBISE.
Telegraph Officials Had No Intima
tion of Hitchcock's Plan.
NEW YORK, January 13.?The an
nouncement from Washington that Post
master General Hitchcock is about to
recommend government ownership of tele
graph and telephone lines, was received
with surprise by officials Of the big tele
graph and telephone companies here. "It
is a bolt out of a clear sky," declared
Theodore N. Vail, president of the Amer
ican Telephone and Telegraph Company
and of the Western Union.
"Whether the government could run
telegraphs economically or not is very
doubtful," continued Mr. Vail. "The ex
perience of Great Britain is not favora
Mr. Vail said tliat there had been no
conferences on the subject and that not
even a suggestion had been made to the
companies he represents that such a
proposition was being considered by the
Edward J. Nally, vice president and
general manager of the Postal Telegraph
Cable Company, did not believe that Con
gress would favor Mr. Hitchcock's idea.
"In my opinion," he added, "the coun
try is not prepared for such a step. If
the government Is to take over our public
utilities shouldn't the bigger things be
taken first? Surely the railroads are big
ger than the telegraph."
LORIMER MAY FINIS!
HIS TESTIMONY TODAY
Reiterates That No One Was
Paid or Promised Anything
to Vote for Him.
Senator Lo rimer continued before the
Senate investigating committee today his
story of the motives which caused fifty
three democrats to break a deadlock and
vote for him for senator.
When the committee took a recess Fri
day Senator Lorimer had got about half
way down the list of the 106 legislators
who cast ballots for htm.
Today be repeated his declaration that
every man who voted for him did so for
personal friendship, to break the dead
lock or to beat "former Senator Albert J.
Hopkins, and that no one had been paid
any money or promised anything of value
to vote for him.
Judge Hanecy, Senator Lorimer's coun
sel, may finish- with his direct examina
tion late today or tomorrow, and the
senator will then under a cross-exam
Lorimer's Treatment of Friends.
Senator Lorimer and Senator Kern
engaged In a colloqjuy which developed
the first signs of Irritation Mr. Lorimer
has shown on. the witness chair. Mr.
Kern asked if the voters in Illinois had
been for'Lorimer. -
"It would be egotlstlaal for me to say,"
"The voters were responsible ln the end,
weren't they?" '
"Oh! the voters?the voters! That's the
way men talk when they get up ln the
clouds?always the voters. Of course, they
are responsible, but the voters are human
"I don't know that they always are."
"That may be the way It strikes you,
but my friends?the men who have be
friended me?have a good deal of In
fluence as far as I am concerned. Such
men often get me to favor men who
have been personally antagonistic to me,
but I don't think I am owned body and
soul by the men who influence me. I am
just a human being, too.* it
Tht>' tntttfent ended tjjere. ' 1 ? - .
RIDE FOR ONE FARE
Citizens of Maryland Suburbs
Win Traction Fight.
RULES AGAINST RAILWAYS
Held to Be Amenable by Interstate
ACTION RESULT OF PROTEST
Residents of Somerset, Drummond
and Friendship Heights
Benefit by Decision.
Citizens of Somerset, Drummond and
Friendship Heights, Md., have won their
point against the Washington Railway
and Electric Comp.iny, the Georgetown
and Tenleytown Railway Company and
the Washington and Rockvllle Railway
Company, and beginning February 20,
1912, the companies will be required to
return to the rate of fare which formerly
was charged for the transportation of
passengers to find from points in the Dis
trict of Columbia?namely, a single cash
fare of 5 cents or six fares for 23 cents.
A decision to this effect was handed
down today by tho interstate com
merce commission, tho commission
holding not only that the railway
companies had failed to justify the
increased fare, about which complaint
was made and which went into effect
June 1, 1910, but that the railway
companies, contrary to 'their conten
tion, actually were and are "common
carriers by railroad" and that when
engaged in'the interstate transporta
tion of passengers or property are
amenable to the provisions of the act.
The commission declared this question
has been passed upon several times,
and that its rulings had been sustained
by the Commerce Court.
Result of Formal Protest.
The case of which this ruling marks
the termination had its inception in a
formal protest which was placed be
fore the interstate commerce commis
sion by citlsens of Somerset, Drum
mond and Friendship Heights, and
which came to a hearing before the
commission November 11, J911. At this
hearing Attorneys Charles D. Drayton
and Charles 8. Moore appeared for
tho complainants, while Attorney
Oeorge P. Hoover represented the
Washington Railway and Electric
Company and the Georgetown and 1'en
leytown Railway Company, and Attorney
William H. Talbott appeared for the
Washington and Rockvllle Railway Com
pany. Evidence was taken on both sides,
several citlsens of the three Maryland
villages giving testimony that the single
cash fare of 5 cents, or six fares for 20
cents, had been the rate charged by the
railway company for many years, and
many of them had either purchased or
leased property in Somerset, Drummond
or Friendship Heights on the understand
ing that a single fare was all that would
be charged by the railway companies for
through transportation between their
homes and points in the District of Co
lumbia, and- vice versa.
They asserted further, that the values
of property in which they had made in
vestment had suffered material deprecia
tion because of what they termed the
unjust, unreasonable and arbitrary in
crease in the rate of fare on the street
No Contract in Evidence.
No contract, either written or oral, be
tween the citizens of the three villages
and the railway companies was intro
duced in evidence at the hearing, but in
the cross-examination by the attorneys
for the complainants of H. W. Fuller,
general manager of all three companies,
the following pertinent questions and
answers were placed In the record.
"Q. Under that arrangement. Mr. Ful
ler, the understanding between the street
railway companies and the public, as far
as there could be any understanding,
was that the companies held themselves
out as willing to carry, and in fact as
carrying, passengers from points in the
District to Somerset on one fare? That
was the understanding, was it?
"A. That was a reasonable assump
"Q. In other words, that was the hold
ing out of the companies, so far as the
public was concerned?
? A.?That Is what, we did for practi
cally ten years, to my positive knowl
* Charges Are Analysed.
The decision of the interstate commerce
commission recites these facts and also
enters into a detailed analysis of the
charges preferred by the complainants as
well as the defenses offered by the com
panies, among the latter being the declara
tion "that the Washington Railway and
Electric Company is not engaged in inter
state commerce or In anywise concerned
with the transportation of passengers
over the line of the Washington and
Rockvllle Company: and that the George
town and Tenleytown Company is not
engaged in Interstate commerce, or In
anywise concerned in fixing the fare for
the transportation of passengers over the
Washington and Rockvllle line."
Dlspos.ng of this point the commission
defined the close relations existing be
tween the three companies, stating that
the Washington Railway and Electric
Company owns the entire capital stock of
the Washington and Rockvllle Com
pany and about three-fourths of the stock
of the Georgetown and Tenleytown
Company. It also was stated that the
Washington Railway and Electric Com
pany's line extends from the far east
ern portion of the city of Washington,
through the business and official cen
ters of the city, to and beyond the in
tersections with the line of the George
town and Tenleytown company, at tfiW
and O streets and 32d and P streets
northwest; that the cars of the George
town and Tenleytown company and
the Washington and Rockvllle Com
pany are operated over each other s
tracts, and that the Washington
Railway and Electric Company and the
other two companies for years had been
and are now exchanging transfers at
the Junction points on 32d street, which
entitle passengers to through rides either
to or from the District line.
Through Transportation Shown.
The point is made In the report that
the Washington and Rockvllle and the
Georgetown and Tenleytown Company
have been and are engaged In the
transportation of passengers, without
change of cars at the District line, be
tween points In the state of Maryland
and points In the District, the same cars,
motormen and conductors being used
throughout the entire Journey. There Is
no railway station at the District line,
nor Is there any Interruption of tracks
at that point.
"While the several companies are
operated as separate and distinct corpora
tions." the report declares, "they have
the same general officers and are con
trolled by boards of directors composed
almost entirely of the same persons.
These facts have a tendency to show a
common purpose or understanding on part
of the several companies In harmony with
the fact of the through transportation
shown of record."
Later in the report the companies are
described as ^Jointly operating a
through electric service."
Disposing of the second ground of
defense, that by the act of the Mary
land legislature In ISIS the Washing
ton and Rockvllle company is com
Klled to charge the additional fare
tween Somerset and the District
line, the commission says:
Four Zones An Cited.
"Prior to that act the Washington sad
RockvfUi line was cUvidW into four zones,
for each of which, or part theroof. a pa*
scngor fare of 5 cents van charged Tha
act supra required the company to divid.*
the line Into not exceeding three sonr-,
the first to extend from the District lino
to a stated point about three and n hair
miles beyond, and the other* to be n ?
nearly equal as the conditions would pci ?
mlt. and It was provided that the rat"
of fare fn>in each ?me. or p.irt ??f a son*',
should not exceed 5 cent*. There Is no
I provision to the effect that the Washing
ton and Rockvllle Railway Company shall
charge a fare of rents between 8omcr*r'
and the District Hue. 80 far as thai
act is concerned the company may charg?>
less than & cents and may accord fret>
service or special commutation rates.
"Testimony was introduced hv defend
ants to show that prior to June 1. 1H1?\
transportation of passengers between
Somerset and the District line was per
formed as a gratuitous service. From
other evidence of record, however. It ap
pears that both prior and subsequent t>?
that date, the uniform '-untom has !**??? i
to collect fares from passengers bnardiinc
the cars at Somerset, immediately upon
leaving that point, and before the car?*
reached the District line. It has al*<?
been the custom to charge and collec:
fares for passenger travel between Som
erset and Friendship Heights, In either
"These facts are not consistent with the
theory that the service was free, espe
cially in view of the Insistence by d- -
fendants that all fares collected 011 th?
Washington and Rockvllle line belong t?
"Another Maryland statute enacted by
the same legislature that passed the one
Just considered Is also relied on by de
fendants. That Is a general statute
creating a public service commission with
jurisdiction over common carriers within
the state, which prohibits the granting of
free transportation by such carriers.
"It Is argued that the terms of thlM
general statute are controlling, and there
fore that the Washington A Rockvllle
company could not lawfully give the fre?
transportation allowed under the act firs
referred to. which is special and local in
Ita application. Rut It Is not neeesaarv
to grant free transportation as to an;;
Sjrt of the sen-ice In order to apply th<?
re formerly charged between Somerset
and points In the District. Nor would
such a course be lawful under the act t?
Grounds of Defense Unsound.
"Our conclusion is that the grounds
of denfese urged by defendants are
unsound and can not be sustained.
"The defendants have made no ef
fort to discharge the burden placed
upon them by the statute to prove
that the Increased fare Is Just and rea
sohable. We accordingly And that de
fendants. having failed to Justify the
Increased fare for passenger travel be
tween Somerset. Md., and points in the
District of Columbia, herein complain
ed of. that the same is unjust and un
reasonable to the extent that it ex
ceeds the fare continuously applied
between these points for more than
ten >*ears prior to June 1. 1910. which
fare will be preacribed for the future
An order will be entered according!)
The order, which was entered at a gen
eral session of the commission, January
0. 1912, with Commissioners Clements,
Prouty, I>ane. Clark. Harlan. McChord
and Meyer present and assenting, reads
Cltlsens of Somerset, Drummond and
Friendship Heights. Md.. against
Washington Railway and Electric
Company; Georgetown and Tennally
town Railway Company; Washington and
Rockvllle Railway Company, and
George Weems Williams, receiver thereof,
This case being at Issue upon com
plaint and answers on file, and hav
ing been duly heard and submitted by
the parties, and full investigation of
the mstters and things involved hav
ing been had, and the commission hav
ing. on the date hereof, made and (lied
a report containing Its findings of
fact and conclusions thereon, which
said report is hereby referred to and
made a part hereof:
It is ordered that the above-named
defendants be, and they are hereby,
notified and required, on or before the
20th day of February. 1012. to ceaso
and desist, and for a period of tw??
years thereafter to abstain, from
charging, demanding, collecting or re
ceiving their present fares for tho
transportation of passengers between
Somerset. In the state of Maryland, and
points in the District of Columbia.
Question of Appeal Unsettled.
It is further ordered that said defend
ants be, and they are hereby, nortfiel
and required, on or before th COth du\
of February. 1012, to establish, and
for a period of two years thereafter to
maintain, and apply to the transport;!-'
tlon of passengers between Somerset,
in the state of Marylsnd, and points In
the District of Columbia served by any
of their lines, a fare not In excess of
5 cents cash, or six fares for 20 cents.
Attorney George P. Hoover, counsel tor
the Washington Railway and Electric
Company and the Georgetown and Ten
nallytown Railway Company, this after
noon said he could not determine, until
he had a conference with the officers of
the companies, whether an appeal would
be taken from the ruling of the commls
I slon. He Intimated It as probable, how
I ever, that there would .e an appeal.
FAVORABLE TO PENSIONS'
Opposition, However, to Going
Beyond the Estimated
[ General discussion In the Senate com
mittee on pensions this morning indicated
that there Is a general sentiment amonc
Its members In favor of a general pen
sion bill, raising the amount of the pen
sions of the veterans of the civil war
as liberal as the revenues of the govern
ment will aJlow. ?
It came out in the course of the ?^s
cusslon, it is understood, that the Treas
ury Department has estimated that, out
side of the expenditures on the Panama
canal, there will be an excess of about
$33,000,000 in income over expenditures
during the coming year.
As Limit for Pensions.
This was suggested as the limitation for
a general pension bill, and Inasmuch
many members of the committee are op
posed to the issuing of bond* with which 1
to pay pens.one. it is thought the major
ity of the committee will not favor a
bill which would involve an amount over
the ??<,000,000 estimated surplus. The
Sherwood bill, wnich has passed tbo
House, would cost more.
To get more information on pension m
legislation the committee decided 'to
hold a hearing next Monday morning,
at which will be heard Gen. Sherwood,
the author of the Sherwood bill; the
legislative committee of the G. A. R..
headed by Gen. Ell Torrence; the com
missioner of pensions and other of
ficials from the pension office.
Seek to Compose Differences.
The difference of opinion regarding
the amount involved in the Sherwood
bill between Gen. Sherwood and tho
pension office was considered; and one
of th* principal reasona for the hear
ing was to got at the basis for the
difference and to adjust It. If possible. ?
Senator McCumber. chairman of the
committee, submitted today a docu
ment giving the estimated costs of
many propositions which are pending
before the committee and of other
tentative propoaltlons. It is designed
to furnish the committee with accurate
data as to what drain on Uncle Sam's
Treasury would be involved In any
proposition upon which a majority of
the committee could unite.
Getting It Straight
from the Sostsa Transcript.
"What did you say to your wife last
night wtoen you got home at 11:80?"
"Do you mean to say?"
"I mesa to say that by the time I coal-l
Ct a word in it was no longer last night,
t this morning."
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