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NYE AND BOX ARGUE NATIONAL ORIGINS North Dakotan Attacks Clause as Texan Defends It in Radio Forum. . fCont.innwt Ftom Flrafr Page) immigrants a proportionate iiaenesa of «ur present population and population of our country at Its inception back in the colonial days. If a given percent age of our whole population traced its ancestry back, let us say to Norway, then under the national origins plan of immigration quotas the number of im migrants admitted annually from Nor way would be the same percentage of the total number of immigrants to be admitted, the total number being fixed at 150,000. That, wa* the theory of the national origins plan. Who could enmplain against: such a plan'.’ None dared to; none wanted to. Time t*r Work Quotas However, it was set the time conceded that it would, take some little time to work out the quotas on this basis and theory and It was necessary to set up wane temporary machinery no govern . quotas until the national origins quotas should be determined. It was deter- j rained to admit ftom each of the quota ; countries 2 per cent of the total foreign- | hem population found in America ftom those quota countrim bv the census of 1890 This would bring us approxi mately 150.000. the an me number as was provided for in the national origins plan. Under this plan, if the census oT 1890 showed a population of X 5.600 ih America who were bom in Belgium, then Belgium, under the temporary quota basis, would be errtltlai to send 542 immigrants to mr anmndly, this hHng 2 per cent of that total. It is this basis of immigration quotas, ■based upon the 1890 census of foreign -born in America, which has since 1924 -been operative and which will continue to operate until the national origins 3ala*t becomes effective or until change is made in the law. ;i* the immigration act of 1924 Con grqes* provided for a oommiwion tn •determine what the quotas would be under the national origins clause. This rofiuaission consisted of the Secretaries -Of i State. Commerce and Labor in the cabinet. They were Secre •tefie* Kellogg. Hoover and Davis. This commission straightway put experts to •the task of ferreting, out the facts upon wrtdrh to base quotas under the national origins plan and from 1924 until very -recently these experts base been at •work. Congress Fostpamsff Date. In 1927. after nearly thTee years of artudy, figures were submitted by the Tomigslslon to Congrres. They were not backed by that corrtWenre which eernsed essential. «nt uncertainty as to their accuracy caused Congress to post pone the effective" date of the national -origins plan for tayear. Thr experts and the commission sub •tnitted another set of figures in 1928. Again were they rtbrlared to be inac curate end not final. In wach case, the commission itself -made dear its lack of confidence in the figures, and again there was postpone ment of the effectiveness of the na tional origins basis. Then, this year, in i Ttobruarv. another statement was sub mitted by the experts dinwing what they had again concluded would be the quota for each country under this -national origins plan. In many cases it was as different from the last state ment submitted as there is difference -between night and dby. Following the submission of the last ■statement *nd late in the life of the last session of Congress, r introduced « resolution which again called for -postponement, but « tight ending: in a filibuster against the more- to postpone •eras undertaken. At this new and spe cial session of" Congress bills to repeal tend resolutions to postpone- have been -Offered, but they have- been tied up- hr -committee so as to deny to Congress •the chance to vote' upon the question -of repeal or postponement. However, an tegreement now seems to prevail which will afford the Senate, some time next wreek, a chance to voter and - test atrength upon the issue. So evenly di vided is sentiment upon this question: •that one or-two votes in the Senate: is oguite apt to determine the result. Faar Estimate* BMP; I have recited the differing conclu sions which -have hem rescind by the -Commission mad its- experts in the satudy of the which has been to OeQgrnar. Nh less- than 'four such estimates'; for estimator and ■uncertainties -they must now ber atr eepted as being, have-been submitted bv the same commissioit and expert*. And whet a variety of ggiesses they were! Gndeed. it is little wonder that the 'three members of the commission. Serr ■wetaries Kellogg. Hooter and Davis, de clared the national origins plan to be inaccurate and -not -praartUadrte. Let u* aee how these-estimates hnve varied hr. 'the cases of w'fawtof th*» countries: The four Austrian»estimate* were as 'follows: 2,171. IteW. l.fffflß 1,4431 The BelgiantjoeSa-wsK- first estimated tet 251. Then iater-estimates decl toast -the number- to:*e»4l0. L33R ants Anally :r.304. The first igmasoen-thr Wrench quota •was 1,772- then'3:B37. then 3.3RTAF and “finally 3 086. Germany was fhrst rpiaewt ok 3Cr.(J3K sand each subsequent -estimate rtesed the total unti the-final figure* declared Germany entitled -to Hungary was first «eet at 1,331, and ■subsequent studies and estimates -brought It down to 869. Ireland was first agiven *3BO ar it* Quota. Then following <*stimates saw it arradually increased to more than twice •that number. A variation -of .3,000 i* -shown in the various quotes-determined due Poland. "Russia's quotas, as arrived at by the ■expert*, wobbled all the w*y from #,002 to 2,784. Switzerland was first de clared entitled to 783 unddr the na tional origins plan, and later figures gave it 1,707. And so it times throughout the list of countries coming under the quota laws. Four different -studies brought, I four different-condnsions! It ail goes to demonstrate how inaccurate must be conclusions as to just what . percentage of our population traces Its origin to this, that and the other country, it •11 gives us an understanding at what prompted Mr. Hoover, -as a candidate for President, to hectare his belief th«r the national -origins -plan wak inac curate and ought to b* repealed, and. further, what prompted him to aak. in his first message to Congress, for it* repeal. Any basis of immigration quota* must, be reasonably accurate before people generally can be expected to accept itr •s a proper basis. But, in spite or this very intelligent, opposition to national origins, a determined effort is being made to force national origins to be come effective July 1 of this year, as it will become effective if it is not repealed or postponed before then. If figures were available showing im migration to our land in the Colonic days and the-early-days df our history as a Nation, it might-be possible to sit down and work out«-basis Os immigra tion quotas on that theory. But them are no such figures of -an accurate nature prior to 1820. A large part rtf whatever data was available prior to that time was destroyed in the fires set bv the British in the War of 1812 when the National Capitol '•and records were* destroyed. However, friends of national origins Insist that it is still possible to deter mine our national make-up back in that period through records of arrivals of ships bringing immigrants in our early ports and through names found upon the records of the first census taken in America in 1790 and other sources. However, It is a well known STAR RADIO FORUM SPEAKERS y -i' ‘ —l Jil .Mw mmß : Ywmm Hi I JBr flßw I H. PpaKPi - 11 1 !" 11 iHillii iNWI j | I REPRESENTATIVE BOX AND SENATOR NYE. Who broadcast over the Columbia system IM sight In The Star forum. —Star Staff Photo. { ftiet that when a shipload of immi grants arrived in America In those early days, if foe ship bringing the im migrants; was a British ship, and the great oulk of them were British, then fo«w immigrants were recorded as being of British origin. It is also a well known fact that a large number of men who fought in Washington's Continental Army bore names which we mat found upon the census rolls of 1790, thus demonstrating how inac curate Is the 179!) census. That being fop case, it appeals to me. as It appeals tn many others, that we are better to maintain the present basis of quotas, which is that figured on the census figures of 1890. showing the total num ber of foreign-born residents In Amer ica at that time, and to maintain this until some better scheme can be worked out. Figures Are Surprising. Careful tabulation of the records of Immigration to America during the first 70 years of immigration statistics, start ing in 1820 and ending in 1890. sur prises one when these records are com pared with the temporary immigration quotas which have been established by virtue of the 1890 census of foreign- j bern. These records disclose that Eng land. Scotland and Wales sent to us, during that 70-year period, an average of 39,380 immigrants annually. The quot» of Great Britain under the 1890 ; basis, new operative is 34.007. Under national origins it would be 65.721. Itetgium sent us an average, during that 70-year period, of 628. and under i the 1890 basis they sent us 512 immi- I grants annually. Under national origins would spnd 1.413. Kussia sent an average of 3.663 and under the present basis of quotas is privileged to send 2.240 each year. The national origins plan would give Russia I 2,784. Greece sent us 39 immigrants on the | average* during that 70-year period and under the 1890 basis now operative ; sends us 108 Immigrants annually. Un der national origins Greece would have 307. Germany sent us 64,359 on the aver age through that longer period and under the present basis of quotas is privileged to send us 31,227 Immigrants annually, whereas national origins would cut Germany to 25,957. Ireland sent an average in that first 70-year immigration period of 49.781 i each year and under the present basis of immigration is privileged to send ZBT.S6T annually. The national origins t plan would reduce this number to 17.853. Norway, Sweden and Denmark in tiltj 70 years sent an average of 15.251 imm igrants a year to us. Under the pmsent basis of quotas those countries are enti- j titled to 18.803 per year. Under the j national origins plan these Scandi navian countries would be slashed to 6'872 Thaw figures show how much more jj —” 1 I Our Customers , I ; Designed Our CREDIT PLAN I QINCE 1863 we have been shaping our policies according to the wishes and in- I terests of our customers; especially our CREDIT PLAN. Instead of mapping out a plan and offering it to our patrons, we have constantly studied our I patrons’ needs and have IMPROVED AND ADAPTED OUR CREDIT PLAN TO CON FORM TO THOSE NEEDS. As a result of this constant revision, we have perfected a plan which adjusts the payments to the customers’ individual needs. No Note 9to Sign We o ff er YOU that plan, not as an incentive to No Interest extravagant buying, but to make it possible for you to have nice furnishings NOW. You don’t Terms to Suit 1 ou have to buy something cheap now and wait to Prices Plainly Marked buy what you want later. 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There is a difference of 9.000 or 10,000 who can come to this country under the two plans, and I for one. ms a foe of the national origins theory, would gladly consent to a pro portionate shaving of the present basis of quotas to a point which would give us the same number under the present 1 basis as would be admitted under the national origins plan. But, the national j origins plan was not intended to con stitute a further restriction of immi- j I gration. There is another representation to. < the effect that the national origins, if it discriminates against any people, dis criminates against the people of South eastern Europe. The facts are that the national origins plan will Increase im migration from Southeastern Europe by more than 4.000, and while increasing immigration from Great Britain, will j decrease immigration from Norway, Sweden. Denmark. Germany and Ire land by nearly 50D00, while reducing the total Immigration by less than 10.000. No cme who has studied the history of immigration and the contribution of i immigrants can call such a basis of im migration quotas fair. Under national origins the quotas from Italy, Greece, Russia and other Southeastern coun tries would be increased. Italy, for ex ample. would be increased from 3,800 | to 5.800; Great Britain would be in creased from 34.000 to 85.000, and while this ta taking place national origins is cutting the quota of Denmark from 2.700 to 1.100. of Germany from 51.000 to 23.000. Ireland from 28.000 to 17.000; Norway from 6.400 to 3,300, Sweden j , from 9300 to 3.300. General Dissatisfaction. The contributions of the people who came to us through all our history from northern Europe have been written so indelibly upon the pages of our history that I do not wonder in the least that I there is general dissatisfaction with the national origins basis of quotas. We i know of the records and the parts which these people have played in all of those I engagements which have meant the life ! of our country, and we know of the great pioneer strides which these peo nle have made in behalf of the building | of America. I A further misrepresentation has been ! made upon this subject with relation ; to the attitude of the American Federa : tion of Labor, which has been declared to be in approval of the national ori gin* theory. This is falae. and the offi rtaiff off the ftderattmt have made li very dear foot they are opposed to ! national origins. These has also been an effort matte i to cause people to be 1 lew that natimral ; origins would remedy that situation which ffndk our jails, imr aoylnms and. our hospital* filled with diseased. Ifce blf«-mittdc<t and pauper*, who are im migrants flrtm countries of at blond alien to our own. When this claim was made upon the floor of the Senate soivi£ few days agn the statement was chalA’ngrd 1 and an explanation was demanded. The explanation was made through a ■ demonstration of' the kind of immi grant that is coming to us from Mexico. But Mexico i* in no way affected by the na i ttenal origins plan of quotas or ti» plan of quotas which is now in eflfect. Mexico is not upon » quota basis at *u. ! and people should not be misled we i know that, uniter tine present basis of ! quotas, we are winning immi grant* i from countries which have contributed the finest, the cleanest and the most abie of immigrant* throughout our : history. ! The time allotted me to discuss tins question ia not at all ample to fully set.< forth the foci* pertaining to this great j controversy, but T would, in conclusion. I point out this—thw. the national ori gins plan would' imt seem to bring us ! nearly so accurate a counter part of i our population as does the present basis ; of quotas which are builded upon the ; population of foreign-barn in America 'in 1890 „ I would point out adso fold it ia i hardly fair to draw so strict a conclu : sion as many do draw to the effect that i our colonial stock in America was Brit ish stock. President Roosevelt once wrote that. ‘‘lt ia always well to re member that at the day when we began, our career a* a nation, we already dis- , sered from our kinsmen at Britain in i blood as well aa in name; Americans belong to the Ehglish rase only in the 1 sense in which Englishmen belong to ■ the German race.’’ I wish with all mv heart for the re peal of the national origins clause in i he Immigration act. because quotas un j der such a basis are certainly not in, j keeping with the best interests off i America as those interests are involved in the question of Immigration. Representative Boa declared that the national origins basis moves forward with each decade and continues with each census to be approximately pro portionate to the wtatte American pop ulation. He predicted, in case of the repeal of the provision, that the patriotic organizations of the eiaintry would launch a drtve to restore all quotas as low as one-half off what JJiey are now. Following Is the text at Hepreaenta tive Box’s speech last night over the radio forum: The question whether the national origins provisions of the irmnigratirm act shall go into effect as now provided by the law as written In 1924 involves essentially the question of the restric tion of immigration, or the opposite of that policy. The sum of the quotas on the na ' tional origins basis Is nearly 10 per cent leas than all the quotas based on the census of 1890. But that is tally a minor element in the impairment at the immigration act of 1924 involved in the proposed suspension or repeal of the national origins quota provisions. Friends of restriction should search for the record of the members of Con gress who are usually opposed to re striction, and check that by their posi tion on this question. Such a com parison will make it plain that prac tically all opponents of restriction axe now opposing the national origins pro visions. Support and Opposition. I do not know a single opponent of the restriction of immigration, whether an individual member of Congress, or a person or group outside of Congress, who is now supporting the national origins provisions. On the other hand every patriotic organization, or other group within the range of my knowledge, which ha* worked for restriction, now favor* the national origins quota basis. I now give you the names of some of those organi zations which have actively supported the restriction of immigration. Every one of them insists upon the retention of the national origins provisions as the heart of our quota system. American Legion. American War Mothers, American Gold Star Mother*. Commonwealth Club of San Francisco. Disabled American Veterans of the World War, Daughters of the Union Veterans of the Civil War, 1861-1869; Junior Order United American Me chanics, Key Men of America. Ladies’ of the Grand Army of the Republic. National Society. Daughters of the American Revolution, National Society Daughters of the Revolution, National Auxiliary. United Spanish War Veter ans. National Society, Sons of the American Revolution, the National Women's Relief Corps. New York Chap . ter United Daughters of the Con i bWleracy. Naml and Military Order of i the Spanish-American War. Sons of Confederacy (Eastern division), and ; I about 70 other similar American pa ! trie tic societies, whose names are be i tan joe. Thr organizations whose names I have called compose less than 25 per ! cent of the list now before me, which . lack of time compels me to abbrevi ate. These organizations represent many millions of high-class patriotic 1 people of every part of the United States. There are millions of others, • organized and unorganized, who hold the same view. They are In earnest about keeping America American, and are not playing politics with alien and » hyphenated "blocs. I know of riot one Jsuch organization which has declared itself against the national origins quota j provisions. ' • Conclusion to be Drawn. conclusion can a citizenship which believes in restriction draw when it ftpes all opponents of restriction ar rayed against the national origins pro -1 visions- and all organizations which I work Jfor restriction actively supporting them? The active opponents and supporters off the national origins provisions have gtwen the questlort special attention. Are both ignorant erf what is involved? To believe* that requires a peculiar mental make-up. or s situation making it politically or otherwise convenient to entertain auefc a view. I do* not iteny the existence of a small minority of men who have voted for restriction, who now, because of peculiar personal kanings or local con nections, or the necessities of politics, will vote to change the act of 1924, by abandoning the permanent quota basis therein provided, and using in ' its stead the 1890 basis named as a temporary one in that act. But that sinall minority woußd amount to noth ing in numbers or political influence bra tor their alliance with the opponents of restriction. A well financed widespread propa ganda has been put oofc to mislead the eoumry Into believing that the national origins quota basis is ar* after-thought added", at some later time for some rea son foteign to the spirit and intent of the act; of 1924. These pan visions were written into the 1934 act srvd have been the permanent, keystone of the arch of the qurtfa system since iff was con structed by Congress and approved by the President. The 1890 cepsus basis was to be temporary, with the express provision that such temporary basis shrraM be replaced with the national origins as the permanent basis. WaAnea ass Qaate Basis. Few. if any. students of the problems and supporters of restriction failed to recognize in. 1924 the weakness of a. quota basis computed entirely on the, foreign-born population at a time 34 years then pasts and necessarily destined, to become more and more remote. When, the drafting otf the 1924 quota law began, many were willing to use the 1890 cen sus basis in preference to any other then suggested; but it was accepted for i Wear a V. F. W. 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The national origins computation of every element of the whole population ! of America, native and foreign-bom, as ; built from the first settlement of the ! colonies. the territories and other parts | of the republic, running through the (census of 1790, and every census to I date, is an American basis. Misstatements Repeated. The oft-repeated statement that the national origins quotas are baaed solely on the apparent origin of names shown in the census of 1790. or exclusively on i the whole of thnt census, is not true. The history of the settlement of the j colonies, of the settlement of Florida, I of Texas, of the Louisiana Territory j and the parts of Mexico, which went I into American States, the census of 1890, and each succeeding census, with all our immigration figures and the emigration records of Europe, went into the computation made by experts who had made a thorough study of census and population elements and had long practical experience in dealing with them. Each of the quota countries was then given, a quota in approximate pro portion to its contribution to our com posite population. Os course they did not compute the racial composition of individuals. The law forbids that. To tell the public that is involved, is to quibble and equivocate. An effort has, been made to impress the country thr.t the national origins provisions furnish only an unworkable approximation of a quota basis, and that the 1890 census is an exact and certain basis for the calculation of quotas made in 1924. Between 1890 and 1924. a period of 34 years, the inter national boundaries of Europe, had been conglomerated, and rearranged on a vast scale. All that the census of 1890 showed as to the country of the immi grant's origin; was that he was bom in Russia, or in. Germany, or France, or Austria, or one of the many oft-chang ing Balkan states, as the immigrant understood amd stated to the enumera tor in 1890. Even if the statements of the foreign-burn, many of whom neither understood nor spoke English, made to the temporarily employed thousands of untrained enumerators, as to where the immigrant* were born, had been correct, some of the countries to which quotas were given iij 1924 did not exist as nations in JB9O and were, of course, not listed in that census. People Under New Map. Some European states had been j created out of the* territory of other j countries. In some instances territory ; had been taken from two or three na- j tions to form new states. In many instances regions had been taken from one country, listed in the census of 1890. and given to another during that 1 period of 34 years. Indeed the map of > Europe had been re-made. The best j equipped diplomats had to have maps and expert geographers at hand to advise them of the inclusion or exclusion i of some regions, and the location of i boundaries, existing, and proposed. ! Those who figured the quotas on the j basis of the 1890 census had to estimate whether the Austria, or Poland, or Czechoslovakia, or Jugoslavia, or Turkey, \ or Prance, or Italy, or Russia, or Ger- ! many of 1924 included the locality in which the immigrant was bom some time prior to 1890. These experts have frankly advised the Senate committee that this general condition prevailed, when they somewhat hurriedly com puted the quotas based on the census of the foreign-bom in 1890. The time between the approval of | the 1924 act and the date on which it I took full effect was so short that even i the temporary quotas provided for in j that act had to be promptly approxi- I mated. Os course the result was a j general and rough approximation, nec- j cesarilv made in a hurry, from in- j sufficient data, or immediate, though temporary use. The country had a j right to have such an approximation j made in the emergency then existing. I It has the right, and is in duty bound to make the more logical, fair and permanent approximation provided in the national origins clauses, in the more careful and deliberate manner provided by the law, time permitting it. German Basis Unfair. The 1890 census basis gives to Germany 31 per cent of the total quotas. Though Germany has con tributed at most about 17 per cent of the racial stock of the United States. The same failure of the 1890 census to furnish a fair basis developed in varying but substantial degrees in ap- j portioning quotas to other countries. 1 A word of the testimony of the ex perts who compared these bases and computed the national origins quotas, will be worth hearing. Dr. Hill, as sistant director of the Census, whose character, ability and expert knowledge, all admit., was chairman of the quota board. From his testimony I quote: ' Dr. Hill: "I will say, however, that no proposition has been brought to my attention that seems to be fairer than this one of national origin." Again Dr. Hill was asked the question "Does the distribution of quotas based on the 1890 census reflect with any accuracy the proportion of nationalities that now exists in the United States?” Dr. Hill: “No, indeed, it does not.” The claim that the national origins basis is not workable is answered by the j fact that the quota board has worked I out, the secretaries have certified and i the President has proclaimed the na tional origins quotas. j < The three secretaries in their final j i report said: “ We. in the discharge ! 1 of duty laid upon us by the statute. 1 have made the determination provided i I ; in subdivision c7 of Section No. 11 of the act and Jointly submit herewith the quotas of each nationality deter i mined as provided in subdivision (b) of | the act.” >'• Discrimination in Act. The claim that the national origins : quota basis discriminates against any 1 nation, or people, is based on the as- I sumption that it is unfair to give quotas Ito immigrant-furnishing countries in proportion to their respective contribu \ tions to the whole white stock of the ! nation. No European countries or people acquired vested rights in the temporary quotas provided in the 1924 act. even if those quotas had been presented as prospectively permanent. The absurdity of an assumption of such vested rights is heightened when it Is remembered that those temporary' quotas were presented as temporary, ; accompanied by provisions for their ; early abandonment for the permanent | origins basis. ! The census of 1890 is now nearly 40 ! years old, and is becoming more remote. | The national origin basis moves forward j with each decade and continues with j each census, ever approximately propor tionate to the white American popula tion. i Whatever the Government does to re j strict immigration always has been and will be viciously assailed by those who would have the people of Europe and other countries treated as possessing vested rights to places and opportunity In America. No sooner had the national origins basis been adopted than certain race-conscious blocs with strong foreign affinities, who have almost invariably opposed every restrictive act, began to move among other groups to organise an attack upon that quota basis. If the 1890 census had been the permanent quota basis provided in the Act of 1924, it would have been as violently attacked as has the national origins basis and would have been weaker under attack. I Indeed that census had been assailed j from the first while it was under con sideration as a permanent basis. The country already has ample notice that it will be attacked if it should be made the permanent quota basis. If the groups who give body and strength to the attack now being made had not as i sailed national origins, they would have directed their forces against some other fundamental part of the law. The minority of friends of the 1924 immigration act, who are joining the opponents of all restriction in an effort to suspend or repeal the national ori gins provisions of the law, are commit ting a great folly. If the attack on the heart of the 1924 act should succeed, the anti-restrictlonists will attack some other key position, and the patriotic people, who are determined to main tain the numerical restriction included In the quota system will probably launch a well organized, nation-wide drive to reduce all quotas as low as one-half of what they are now, and to restrict Im migration still further in other direc tions. If our friends want more of this war, it is waiting for them. 13