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Too Much Romance Ruins JYlamage, Says Hergesheimer. In an Interview With Lillian G. Glenn Love Belongs to Youth, and fVhat a Man Really IVants Out of Matri mony Is Comfort and Flattery, Declares the Novelist—“ Fifty Per Cent of Marriage Is Bound to Be Monotony! ” OU who believe that marriage must be a Y thing of romance, of love and of glamour, or nothing at all, listen to the words of Joseph Hergesheimer, the famous novelist. "Too much love and romance ruins mar riage. In its finest flower It belongs to youth. The middle-aged and the married should have nothing to do with it. It is an enemy of peace and reasonable, proper relationships. "Marriage is an economic and social arrange ment. It is the business of running a house, having babies, taking charge of the cooking, paying bills and having ,the companionship of or.s whose interests are yours. Fifty per cent es it must naturally be a monotonous affair. We haven’t the ability to accept ordinary life. We are always after excitement and emotional stimulus. If marriage goes its hum drum way, as it must, we think that there must be something wrong with it Immediately we aet up a frantic search for romance and love. “There is a certain affection that develops in matrimony that is in every way equal to romantic love. Certainly it is much more com fortable. "When a man of 40 takes up with a ‘cutie,’ it is generally nothing more or less than a momentary escape from the tedium of marriage. "While the woman most use some seductive ness if she Is to hold her husband, and he In turn must do something more than provide her with a roof over her head If he is to retain her affection, yet the sooner they realise that mar riage is more an arrangement of reason and less of something in a pink quilt and ribbons, the better off they will be.” ALL this Mr. Hergesheimer discussed In his sitting room at a New York hotel. The writer is short and stocky, with a deep brown • complexion, unruly hair and eyes that twinkle mirthfully through shell-rimmed glasses. He was smartly dressed in a tan tweed suit, orange colered sweater and tie, and he looked more like a brisk, matter-of-tect business man than the author of romantic novels. During the interview he paced up and down the room talking rapidly and oftentimes amus ingly, or sat in a comfortable armchair puffing furiously on a cigar. He is a very friendly per son, and when he grins, which he does fre quently, he resembles a small boy off on a lark. "Just as we get tired of doing the same old things In life,” be told the interviewer, "so do we become tired of seeing the same faces. Naturally, the wife or the husband is no ex ception. We can’t like a person every day in our lives, nor can we agree with him all the time. Human nature being what it is, it is absurd to think that the marriage relationship can be other than commonplace. “When a tired and bored husband goes to a dinner party and finds himself opposite a charming woman, he’ll see in her all sorts of attractive qualities. By the time he reaches his dessert he’ll be thinking that she is a much more entertaining companion than his wife. In reality, though, she is not a bit more attractive than his own wife, and were he to see her morning after morning, burdened with the cares of marriage, she wouldn’t seem any more al luring. either. You know.” smiled the novelist, "I believe we can only love people when we don’t see them around all the time. “However, men after their youth do not want great love. Most of the time they want com fort. A woman, too. may think that what she wants is a romantic lover for a husband, but the chances are that If she bad such a person THE SUNDAY STAR, WASHINGTON. D. C.. MAY 26, 192 fr-PART 7. around for any length of time she’d call him a fool and leave him. Women are realists much more than men, and any romantic Inclinations that they have are realistic ones. A man, when he’s in love, will be glad to sit on a fence and look at his fair lady’s window, happy to be able to breathe the same air. But a woman? She'll never get moony. She has a sensible head on her shoulders and shell never let her romantic impulses run away with her.” Ti/f R. HERGESHEIMER also felt that present day civilization was not conducive to ro mance. During the period prior to the Civil War women were able to keep romance aglow in their marriages because they devoted their attention purely to graceful and feminine things. MORE REASON THAN RIBBONS! ■ Marriage is more an arrangement of reason and less of something in a pink quilt and ribbons; says Mr. Hergesheimer. There is a certain affection that develops in matrimony that is in every way equal to romantic love—and certainly it is much more comfortable. Spiritual closeness, mental companionship and deep loyalty come only after one has lived with a parson for years. If a husband is going to hold his wife , he must be an amusing companion , an understanding friend and a satisfactory lover. IVe can only love people when we do not see them around all the time. JVhen a man of 40 takes up with a “cutie" it is generally nothing more or less than a momentary escape from the tedium of marriage. There is no greater treat , after a day's work , than to have one's wife greet him , becomingly gowned and delightfully perfumed. '.". . • - - WmiMaxk.- / ‘'Sf - >; >^f BKpPfi*l-S ■ v - Hb %: ~%-^ » Jm '>■ ■ V-^Mniii^' Joseph Hergesheimer, the novelist, who, while, discounting the value of romance in modern' marriage, believes that even a passable marriage is better than bachelorhood. "An atmosphere of roipanticism pervaded the country at that time. This was particularly true of the Old South. Evenings then were filled by a light elegance of conversation and women showed their adroitness with French turns of speech, with music and poetry. They made a profession of being women, and charm was considered their foremost and indispensable attribute. Passionate loyalty and absorption in the men they married were also characteristic of those days. * •? "Indeed, a woman then thought herself well lost in the man she married. She made every effort to submerge herself in her husband’s per sonality. His necessity was hers. The world' was, of course, a masculine one, founded on' the assumption that men were superior In strength and in mental equipment to women. The superiority of Women lay in purity and, fidelity, in beauty and all the domestic virtues., This was the universal ideal of happiness and! marriage. “But many changes have since come about. Women no longer regard men as gods, nor & marriage their one and ultimate goal. As a. result, woman’s whole attitude toward men and toward marriage is different. If a husband is going to hold his wife, he must be an amusing: companion, an intelligent and understanding' friend and a satisfactory lover. Just to be able to offer a wedding ring and support is not suf ficient. Hot only have the men made no effort to meet these changes in the modern woman,, but they are losing their physical attractiveness, as well. “How has this happened? Very simply. In. the past It was Important for men to be both, symmetrical and strong. Those were the quali ties necessary for survival and were the one* that attracted and held woman. Today, though,. It is money that has become of primary im portance, and because of this men are forced to lead sedentary lives. Just take the average day of any man. How much exercise and air* does he get? How much physical work does he engage in? Whatever he does may be fine> for his mind, but his body is being ruined. Mental and not physical vigor is what is neces sary now; the body has been sacrificed to the* mind in men. Women, on the other hand, haver never been more interested In physical perfect tlon. What Is more, their minds are alert and active. Naturally, they have raised the personal standards of what they demand from men, and j the men, In turn, are unable to meet these re- ' qulrements. Possibly what we need now lg d new masculine race, or possibly men need neW ideas about what constitutes s satisfactory bus** band and companion. we cannot compare the mar-* '“ 4 rlages of today with what they were 50 years ago. There was not so much common Use then. The small apartments have brought about an Intimacy and a closeness that Is detri mental and even fatal to the marital relation ship. One must not only have the opportunity for solitude and the expression of individuality, but also be able to retain enough illusion for" husband and wife to be attractive to each other. This business of openly beautifying oneself, of walking around with • clay mask or shaving cream on one’s face, or with uncombed hair, is all bad. Living so close together makes the husband and wife calloused and coarsened to ward each other, and before you know it they are getting on each other’s nerves. “Romance may be an illusory glamour, but, still and all, a little of It is needed in mar riage. The secret of this is some privacy for each of the partners.” It is interesting to note that a man whose novels are fairly fired by romance, whose fiction world is glittering, intriguing and alluring,- should view the world of reality without • touch of the roseate. When this was comment ed upon, Mr. Hergesheimer confided that hH stories were written as an escape from the Continued on Ninth Page. 7