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Weather Forecast ---- Cloudy and somewhat colder, followed by TPiiM Intermittent light rain today; tomorrow ^ ^ ASSOCiatGu A FGSo rain and colder. Temperatures yester- News and WirpnVmtnq day-Highest, 72, at 2 p.m.; lowest, 42, „ , W irePno™s 7 am ' Sunday Morning and __ run details on p»» A-2._ Every Afternoon. _ j ___ _ — . No. 1,809 No. 34,900. AswJtatedpJeM. WASHINGTON, D. C., NOVEMBER 19, 1939 —118 PAGES. ** * PIVE CENTS TEN CENTS ----—---—____ IN WASHINGTON AND SUBURBS ELSEWTTr^ir North Sea Mine Sinks Dutch Ship; 140 Believed Dead, Reich Blamed; Nazis Clap Martial Law on Czechs . ... — I 260 Survivors Are Landed at Unnamed Port in England; Many Badly Injured By the Associated Press. LONDON, Nov. 18.—The Netherlands passenger liner Simon Bolivar sank in the North Sea with a possible loss of 140 lives today after striking a mine which the British ad miralty charged the Germans had laid without notifying neutral shipping. The 8,309-ton vessel carried 400 persons, including women and children. A total of 260 survivors, of whom 140 were said to be crewmen, were landed at an unnamed British port. Many of the rescued were reported “badly injured.” Official sources here expressed fear that all those missing were dead. Worst Non-Naval Sea Disaster of War. Aside from British naval losses, it was the worst sea disaster of Europe’s current war. The heaviest loss to a non-flghting ship previously was in the sinking of the British liner Athenia, northwest of Ireland Septem ber 3, the day Britain and France declared war on Germany. The Athenia’s loss was reported at 112 persons. Two other ships, their names and nationalities undisclosed, were damaged by mines near the spot where the Simon Bolivar sank. Both made port. British trawlers picked up the Simon Bolivar’s survivors who in cluded some British, many Netherlanders and other nationalities. Those able to travel were brought to London. Steward J. H. Wristers declared the ship was about 20 miles off the English coast when a ’’terrific explosion” shook her. “The master, Capt. H. Voorspuiy, was killed on the bridge,” Wristers said. “It seemed as if the explosion' was right under him. All oil pipes burst and people in the cabins were smothered.” Trouble With Lifeboats. The ship was listing sharply, he added, and some of the lifeboat? could not be lowered properly. The steward said a second ex plosion, apparently another mine, came within 15 minutes of the first. "I saw about 80 people in the wa ter and the sea was covered with oil." he related. Doctors and ambulances waited at the quayside as the injured were brought to shore at the unnamed British port. Tire gravely injured were hurried to hospitals, while others were given first aid at the dock. Among the survivors hospitalized tonight was a 11-months-old baby and a little boy who called continu ously “Where is my daddy?” Admiralty Accuses Germans. The admiralty charged the Ger mans laid the mine in the channel followed by merchant ships and added that “there is no doubt that they were laid for the specific pur pose of destroying such shipping.” The statement added that the mishap to the Simon Bolivar “is a further example of the utter dis regard of international law and dic tates of humanity shown by the Ger man government.” (Authoritative sources in Ber lin, commenting on the sinking of the Simon Bolivar in the North Sea. said, “A German mine could not have been responsible.” They declined further comment.) Press Raises Voice. The British Sunday morning press with one voice attributed the sink ing to “Nazi gangster methods" and described it as "another ruthless blow at peaceful shipping.” The last listing of the Simon Bolivar in the New York maritime register showed the vessel sailed October 17 from Barbados, West Indies, for Amsterdam. Lloyds register lists the Simon Bolivar's home port as Amsterdam. She was 419 feet long and was built in 1927. Netherlands Steamboat Co. Dutch Await Inquiry Into Responsibility AMSTERDAM. Nov. 18 (JP).— Netherlands officials and citizens, shocked by the sinking of the liner Simon Bolivar, tonight awaited an Inquiry into the responsibility for the placing of the mine which sent thp vessel to the North Sea bottom. The Simon Bolivar was the fifth Netherlands vessel lost since the start of the war. There was no immediate comment on the British admiralty charge that the mine was laid in a neutral ship ping channel by the Germans with out notifying neutral ships. Officials of the Royal Netherlands Steamship Co. said the list of pas sengers and crew would not be avail able until tomorrow. They declined to estimate the number aboard. Among the passengers were Netherlands citizens traveling to the West Indies. British citizens bound for Barbados and Trinidad and German refugees en route to Chile. The Netherlands minister in Lon don reported to The Hague that about 100 of the 260 survivors were injured, about 50 seriously. Brazil Takes Scanyork NEW YORK. Nov. 18 UP)—'The Moore-McCormack liner Scanyork was turned over to the Brazilian government today—the first of 14 ships the company recently sold to the South American republic for $3,500,000. She will sail for Balti more and Philadelphia Monday. Fourteen new ships to take the place of the craft sold to Brazil are to be built by Moore-McCormack. Radio Programs, Page F-3 Complete Index, Page A-2 p ► Man Is Asphyxiated, Several Burned in Nearby Blazes Seven Hurt Fighting Fire in Old Home At Clinton, Md. One man dead of asphyxiation and several persons burned were the net results last night of a series of fires in nearby Maryland and the District. Harvey L. Harmon. 57-year-old resident of Clinton. Md., was pro nounced dead of asphyxiation by Providence Hospital doctors after he had been rushed to the hospital by the Marlboro Rescue Squad from a neighDor's house where he had attempted to aid in the control of ; an oil fieater which was not operat ing properly. The neighbor, Albert Edelin, re turning home, found his house filled with dense smoke. Attempting to enter the building he cut hs wrist badly and his neighbor. Mr. Harmon, came to his aid. entering the house but being quickly overcome by smoke and fumes. Aged Man Rescued. In another Clinton iMd.) fire last night an 80-year-old man was rescued and several other persons wpro fnrrpri tn flpp whpn flrp hrrvlrp out in the old Surratt home. Seven persons were injured fighting the fire. It was finally brought under control after it had destroyed a dis used kitchen, where the fire was said to have broken out. and a wing of the house containing three bed rooms. Vincent Miller, 80-year-old father of B. K. Miller, Clinton merchant and owner of the house, was trapped in his bedroom. Advised to jump, he refused and firemen rescued him with a ladder. Mrs. Ella Curtin and other residents in the historic home were forced to flee. Treated for Burns. Ira Brashears. 47, of Berwyn. Md„ was treated last night for burns on his body received. Washington po lice were informed, when he went to sleep with a burning cigaret in his hand. He was rushed to the hospital by the Branchville Rescue Squad. His wife, Dorothy, was treat ed at the same time for burns on both hands, received when she ex tinguished the blaze with water. Mr. Brashears was said to be in an un determined condition. First and second degree burns w-ere sustained last night by Merle Blair. 42, of 4423 Potomac avenue N.W.. when a can of paint remover he w’as using in a building at 410 Tennessee avenue N.E. bprst into flames when it came in contact with an electric floor plug. Police said Mr. Blair was treated at Casualty Hospital and released. The blaze did little damage to the property, they said. One West Coast Strike Ends With Pay Increase By the Associated Press. SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 18.—The coast - wide strike of the Marine Firemen s Union against steam schooner operators ended today with the signing of a work agreement and return of about 400 union members to the 60 vessels tied up in the 10 day dispute. Union members voted four to one for ratification of the contract with the Shipowners Association of the Pacific Coast. Union leaders said it brought an over-all increase of about 25 per cent in pay, in return for which the unionists relinquished demands for Saturday afternoons off in port. r ■ Nazi Army Reported Leaving Borders of Holland, Belgium By Radio to The Star. THE HAGUE. Nov. 18 —Ger many started to withdraw its troops from the Dutch and Bel gian frontiers today, it was learned here. (Copyright, 1939. by Chicago Dally News, Inc.) Concentration of German troops on the borders of the Netherlands and Belgium * in recent weeks raised the specter of a German invasion of the Western European neutrals in order to strike more effectively at Britain and France. Early last week Dutch Premier Dirk Jan de Geer in a radio ad dress declared emphatically there was no threat of a Ger man invasion and in following days the tension in the low countries subsided. Germany gave as the reason for her troop concentrations the need for disposing of troops too numerous to be cared for di rectly opposite the French Mag inot Line. - ! Wage Issue Only Bar To Immediate Peace In Chrysler Strike Negotiators Hopeful As New Meeting Is Called for Today B> the Associated Press. DETROIT. Nov. 18.—A “wage Is sue" thwarted an immediate agree ment to settle the Chrysler labor problem tonight but negotiations, adjourned until tomorrow, remained in the most hopeful state of any time since the *4-day impasse began. Federal Mediator James F. Dewey and officials of the corporation and C. I. O.-United Automobile Workers halted conferences at 11 p.m., agree ing to meet again at 2 p.m. tomor row. amid indications that peace was near and that 100.000 idle men might soon return to work. “Everything is settled except the wage issue.” Mr. Dewey said. "The union made a proposition which was not acceptable to the corporation. The proposal wTas discussed at some length, but w'e did not reach any conclusion." rru^rcw is nrpnneci. Mr. Dewey, who did not make known details of this issue, said it ' would be discussed tomorrow. The fact that Sunday negotiations were ; scheduled was believed further evi dence that terms of agreement were in sight. Corporation sources said that, in event of settlement by tomorrow, some Chrysler workers would be called back to duty Monday and in increasing numbers in succeeding days, with operations regaining a normal stage by the end of the week. Richard T. Frankensteen, Chrvsler director for the U. A. W.-C. I. O.. announced after adjournment of the negotiations that "we made good progress tonight and we look for further progress tomorrow.” Basic Issues Settled. Previous to the night session, first such in the six weeks of negotiations. Mr. Dewey had said a “tentative understanding" had been reached on "almost all matters except those involving money.” Mr. Dewey's reference to "money" matters was taken to mean a gen i See STRIKE. Page A-3.' coai ana iron works. Hacha Broadcasts Warning. Simultaneous with the establish ment of martial law, President Emil Hacha broadcast a warning, that "any further sacrifice for the Czech nation serves no purpose.” President Hacha declared that demonstrations would be suppressed by the "public might” of the Ger man and Czech governments and urged the people of the protecto rate to "obey with all discipline the appeal which I and the govern ment direct to you." Prague appeared calm outward ly, but reaction to the executions of the alleged ringleaders in the anti-German acts, and the closing of Prague academies and univer sities for three years was reported to have spread to other sect; ->s of the protectorate. It apparently was for this rea son that martial law was intro duced in the five areas. Incidents similar to those in Prague were reported to nave occurred in Bruenn 'Brnoi, the protectorates second largest city. Picture of Events. The first detailed picture of what occurred during the night from Thursday to Friday preceding the executions was pieced together to night through informed sources. Detachments of Schutzstaffel 'Black Shirt elite guards) were sta tioned in the streets where the ttu dents' homes were located. Macnine and during the early morning hours the schools were occupied suddenly.1 In the Svehla Institute, according to one version, a secret printing establishment was discovered. Another report said that the Schutzstaffel found an illegal radio broadcasting station in operation there. It was said that entry into the school was forced when the stu dents attempted to block the S. S. 'See CZECHS. Page A-3.) Raid Warning Sounded In Southeast England By the Associated Press. LONDON, Nov. 18.—An air-raid warning sounded tonight on the Es- 1 sex coast in Southeast England, the ; all-clear signal following within 30 , minutes. Warnings also sounded in inland Essex towns but were followed shortly by the clear signals. The air ministry announced the alarm was caused by the appearance of an unidentified aircraft. Hoyas Beat N. Y. U. for Record; Duke and Missouri Win Georgetown's second successive un defeated season, achieved yesterday by blanking N. Y. U„ 14-0. at New York, was one of the outstanding features nf u riflv _ of the select group when it bowed. 6-7, to Missouri in a game in which the championship of the Big Six Conference was at stake. mmmi—iii in I.- North Pornlirto in which four II other major col- 9 legiate elevens re mained unbeaten. The Hoyas fin ished their cam- ■ paign with seven I victories and a tie. I Tennessee, rank- I ed No. 1 in the Na- fl tion-wide poll last H week, continued H on its winning H way by whipping | Vanderbilt, 13-0. 1 Cornell, the out- 1 standing Eastern ^ leader, not only ■ remained in the I undefeated, un- K tied class, but re- I bounded sharply I after two narrow K victories to crush I Dartmouth. 35-6. 91 vocc iivArriv^, rage a-o.; Waterway Negotiations Pushed, Says Hepburn By the Associated Press. TORONTO. Nov. 18.—Premier Mitchell Hepburn said today that negotiations for completion of plans for the St. Lawrence waterways scheme are well under way. "Everything possible is being done to have the agreement between Can ada and the United States signed as soon as possible so work can be commenced,” the Ontario Premier said. Premier Hepburn, who opposed the scheme intended to make inland waterways available to ocean vessels, withdrew his objections shortly after Canada entered the war. It is un derstood, however, he has asked the Dominion government to allow On tario to export power and to divert water to the system from the Ogoki and Long Lac diversions in Northern Ontario. Premier Hepburn said it is up to the Dominion government to trans mit to President Roosevelt the On tario proposals. A 4.U1BI.-U o mm UVCI V/UiUHlUm 111 an intersectional battle also kept the Green Wave in the unbeaten class. Oklahoma, however, dropped out v. m. i. at, iNonoiK, id-u, ana Ameri can University ended its season with out a victory when it was swamped by Swarthmore, 58-0. OTHER IMPORTANT GAMES: 2fJ5**S** _-11 HOLY CROSS _*1 TEXAS tlf PITTSBURGH-13 CARNEGIE TECH_0 TEAXS CHRISTIAN- 1» -13 VILLANOVA _1* WISCONSIN _7 ST. MARY'S - 0 TEMPLE A PURDUE _7 fESi STATE -14 NOTRE DAME _ 7 SANTA CLARA_• ARMY _ -14 NORTHWESTERN ... 0 U. C. L. A. . — • MICHIGAN -1» LOWA .,13 WASHINGTON STATE « PENNSYLVANIA_17 MINNESOTA ..._» STANFORD O 2X?/S92S* -7 OH,° STATE_*1 OREGON STATE _*1 COLGATE -0 ILLINOIS _ 0 CALIFORNIA_• TEXAS A. A M.-_„ IS RICE _• (Complete Detail! in Snorti Section.) I 1 President Hacha Issues Warning To Countrymen By the Associated Press. PRAGUE, Nov. 18.—Nazi Ger many used the firing squad again today and then added martial law to its stern measures to stamp out anti-German moves in the Pro tectorate of Bohemia-Moravla. The execution of three more per sons, two policemen and an un identified Czech, brought to 12 the number shot to death in 48 hours. Nine students were executed yes terday. Martial law, established in Great er Prague. Prague-land, Kladno, Beraun and Horchwitz, did not af fect German citizens. All these dis tricts are near Prague, Kladno to the west, Beraun to the southwest and Horchowitz to the northeast. Taking notice of what they said was agitation for a strike among workers in Bohemia's large indus trial cities, union leaders warned members tonight against leaving their work benches. All Bohemia is highly industrialized, especially in Itied once, also was beaten for the first time by its traditional rival, Duke, 13-3, in the South's major game, while Princeton won the Big Three title by defeating Yale, 13-7. Alabama dropped its third straight game, Georgia Tech beating it, 6-0. George Wash ington won its first major game of the year by beating Kansas, 14-7, and Catholic University closed its home cam paign with a 34-0 rmit nf T /iunlo nf in the section's WALLACE WADE, the South. Mary biggest game. Duke Coach. land was beaten by V Maybe This Explains It! ,____ _ * Three Men Killed In Traffic Mishaps In Nearby Areas Former Capitol Heights Mayor and Two D. C. Residents Are Victims Thomas J. Luckett, 43-year-old attorney and former Mayor of Capitol Heights. Md , and two Washington men were fatally in jured last night in traffic accidents i on Maryland and Virginia high- j ways The driver of the car which I struck Mr. Luckett was charged with driving while under the influ ence of liquor. The District men killed were: Clarence Priddy, 54-year-old W.; P. A. worker, of the 600 block of Ninth street S.W Horace N. Ready. 40. of the 300 block of Massachusetts avenue N.E. A hit-and-run driver, for the arrest of whom Maj. Ernest W. Brown immediately offered a $100 reward, last night knoclfcd down and seriously injured Policeman Paul E. Chappelle, about 25. of the eighth precinct, while he was stand ing on the street side of a friend's car on Wisconsin avenue lust below Woodley road N.W. Condition Reported Serious. At Emergency Hospital the night admitting officer said the police man had been rushed to the oper ating room and that his condition was “serious.” j Policeman Chappelle, police said, had gone off duty at midnight and saw a friend, R. A. Lowe of Marl boro, Md., parked in his station wagon on the west side of Wiscon sin avenue below Woodley road. The policeman crossed the avenue and conversed with Mr. Lowe, placing one foot on the running board of the station wagon on the street side. A car, described in subsequent radio lookouts as a small black coupe, bearing District tags, and with a damaged right side, going south on the avenue, crushed Po liceman Chappelle, tossing him about 10 feet. A pool of blood marked the spot where the police man's body landed. He was rushed to Emergency Hos pital and a hunt started for the driver of the hit-and-run car. Maryland State police reported Mr. Priddy, a bachelor, was killed when he lost control of an automo bile and crashed into a fence on the Livingston road near Accokeek, Md. He was alone in the machine. Hitch-Hike Attempt Fatal. Police said Mr. Ready was at tempting to hitch-hike a ride at Carmel Church, 18 miles south of \ Fredericksburg. Va., when he was struck by a truck and killed. His body was removed to Elkins' funeral home in Fredericksburg. Identifi cation was made through a driver's permit. Physicians at Casualty Hospital, where Mr. Luckett died late last night, said he suffered a possible fracture of the skull and a com pound fracture of the left leg when struck in front of his office at 201 Central avenue, In Capitol Heights, i He was walking across the street ! when an automobile said to have j Bright Pupils Outwit Parents To V/in Contest By the Associated Press. WILMINGTON, Del., Nov. 18 — Six eager, bright-faced parents went down to defeat in a question con test against six junior high school pupils, equally as eager — but brighter. The parents smiled knowingly as the youngsters floundered for the meaning of "E Pluribus Unum." But the order was reversed when this one was fired at the parents: Name the musical compositions played as a bride marches down an aisle and when she leaves. "The Wedding March,” one moth er guessed. Others tried, but also failed. The pupils—who scored 1,845 points to 1.788—looked on indulent ly as the correct answer was an nounced: "Bridal Chorus'' from Wagner's "Lohengrin" and wedding music from Mendelssohn's "Mid summer Night s Dream.” Chest Workers Urged To Renewed Efforts As Drive Nears End Three Days Are Left and Third of $2,000,000 Goal Is Still to Be Raised With the end of the Community Chest campaign only three days away and a third of the $2,000,000 goal still to be raised, campaign leaders directed desperate appeals to their volunteers today. "We dare not fail.” Chauncey G. Parker, jr.. campaign chairman, declared. “A moral mandate has been laid upon us not to say the task is done until our goal is reached.'' He explained that he spoke for representatives of Chest .agencies ‘ who cannot visualize a coming year with less help for those in need than the minimum provided this past year.” "We all know,” he said, "the great need that exists and we all know that the $2,000,000 goal is the bare minimum—the lowest sum that the conscience of the community can consider. "We know too that the money is here—that it remains only for us to reach and convince the generous hearted givers of Washington. 'I say to you all—workers, givers and receivers—that we dare not and will not stop until our goal is reached.” The Units' Percentages. With Wednesday marking the of ficial end of the campaign, the Chest volunteers have raised only 67 per cent of their goal. By units, the percentages of quota stand at 73.31 per cent for Government; 56.34 per cent for Group Solicita tion; 67.3 per cent for Metropolitan; 70.87 per cent for Advance Gifts; 'See CHEST. Page A-8.) Only 75 Employes tollseState's $800,000 Annapolis Building By a Stall Correspondent of The Star. ANNAPOLIS, Md„ Nov. 18.—An napolis boasts a magnificent $800, 000 State office building today, but the nominal center of Maryland government apparently will con tinue to be Baltimore. Only a comparatively small group of employes—75—will occupy the spacious brick Colonial structure erected for the primary purpose of bringing back to the capital the departments which for years have made their headquarters in Bal timore. It was learned today the Board of Public Works has ordered only nine of the many State depart ments now renting space in Balti more to move into the new build ing, seven of them being relatively small units. Two other agencies already lo cated in Annapolis will transfer their operations to the new struc ture, making a total of 11 de partments that are to use the build ing. , * The plan made known by the Board of Public Works today repre sents a victory for those who pro tested violently against returning D. C. Bar Plans Probe Of Installment Sales, Collection Methods Sweeping Investigation Promised as Special Committee Is Named A sweeping investigation into sales and collection practices of credit and installment houses and finance companies in the District will be made by a special committee of the District Bar Association. Beginning of the probe, expected to be one of the most exhaustive ever undertaken by the bar group, was made public in a letter written by Sefton Darr. president of the association, to George D. Horning, who has been named head of the 10-man committee. Mr Darr said the “far-reaching effect'’ of certain credit practices, "as well as their pernicious nature and the harm being done, justify and demand thorough action by the bar association.” The bar head, outlining channels he suggested the committee look into, mentioned practices that were the outgrowth of suits in Municipal Court. He named nine schemes that he thought would bear investi gation by the committee. One of the schemes was the use of “dunning" letters by installment and credit retail stores, by collec tion agencies and by lawyers. May Violate Blackmail Law. Quoting from an opinion rendered recently in the Court of Appeals, Mr. Darr said that the court held that a leftor rnnoVtoH iv» ct ron rr language for the purpose of collect ing a debt "may amount to a viola tion of the blackmail statue of the District of Columbia." He asked that the committee consider propos ing legislation that would bring “dunning" letters within the mean ing of the District's blackmail statute. With regard to other practices, Mr. Darr also urged legislative ac tion and the sponsoring of rules to be adopted by the courts. He added: “If the question is one of legal ethics from the standpoint of the lawyer, you may want to recommend that certain practices should be condemned as unethical and for bidden .to our members. If there is uncovered evidence of wrong doing on the part of any lawyer, your findings and evidence should be im mediately presented to the Grievance Committee of District Court.” Mr. Horning said last night that each of the nine other members of the committee would be assigned to investigate one of the channels and their findings pooled. The probe, he said, probably would last “months” with a possibility that public hearings would be held. To Consider Complaints. The committee head, whose office is in the Southern Building, asked for letters from any person having complaints on the matters his com mittee will consider. _ Mr. Darr, in his letter, pointed (See BAR, Page A-17.) tne major departments to the cap ital, contending Baltimore is more accessible to all sections of Mary land. Million-Dollar Mausoleum. It also appeared to bear out the forecast of observers in legislative halls, who predicted two years ago when the State Assembly provided funds for the building, that the structure would be a ‘million-dol lar mausoleum.” Constructed to accommodate sev eral hundred workers, the building actually will have ample room for the 75 employes of the 11 depart ments. Only large departments to be moved from Baltimore are the State Conservation Commission and the State Racing Commission. The oth ers are the Auditing Department, Bureau of Mines, office of the Budget Director, Board of Hair Dressers and Beauty Culturists, Board of Funeral Directors, Parole and Probation De partment and the Board of Correc tion. Transferred to the new building along with the departments from (See ANNAPOLIS, Page A-9.) k Norris Opposes Defense Boost In Next Session Advises Congress To Stress Domestic Economic Issues BACKGROUND— Ever since European war broke out, most Washington observers have looked forward to a big increase next session in the huge defense appropriation voted by Congress for the current fiscal year. Some estimates have ex ceeded $3,000,000,000 for both the Army and Navy, but in recent weeks departmental experts have expressed the opinion this figure is far too high. By J. A. O’LEARY. Senator Norris, independent, of Nebraska said yesterday he would oppose increased defense appro priations at the next session of Con gress because he believed the money could be spent more wisely for re lief of unemployment and agri cultural distress. Picturing the United States as unlikely to become involved in the European war due to enactment of the present Neutrality Act. the Nebraska veteran, who usually sup ports administration legislation, said he thought Congress should give its attention prVarily to domestic economic problems. n’A /I 't Kmtn A nTf rttV>A»* troubles,” Senator Norris told re porters, "I wouldn't feel so strong ly against spending large sums for the Army and Navy. But we can't stop the expenditures for the relief of unemployment and agricultural distress.” Indicates Liberals Alert. His viewpoint was taken as an indication liberals in Congress will be on the alert to avoid having de I fensive preparedness overshadow domestic matters. There have been highly conflict i ing reports concerning the amount of money that Congress may be asked to appropriate for defense. Some legislators said they under stood the requests might aggregate $3,000,000,000— $1,700,000,000 for the Army and $1,300,000,000 for the Navy—but departmental experts have protested that these figures were too high. In this connection. Secretary of War Woodring indicated yesterday that the War Department's annual budget would exceed S700.000.000. compared to this year's figure of approximately $450,000,000. Without mentioning anv specific figure. Secretary Woodring said the department's objective was a “per fect Army” of moderate size and “real striking force.” Stress Training and Equipment. “Whatever size Army is agreed on, the time has come that we must nave a iorce that is 1.000 per cent perfect,” he said. "Numbers are less important than training and equip ment. “We cannot afford to depend long er on a skeleton Army such as we have had for the last several years, with its transportation at, say. 50 per cent of requirements, modern armaments at 33 per cent and mod ern anti-aircraft guns at 20 per cent." Although he would not disclose details. Secretary Woodring termed "sound and honest” the expansion program to be presented to Con gress and expressed hope that na tional defense needs would not be decided on the “hit-and-miss" meth ods of other sessions. Care has been taken, he said, to prevent building up a top-heavy War Department establishment that would be one of the first targets of economists “when a reaction oc curs.” President Roosevelt has indicated that funds would be asked to recruit, equip and train “an initial protec tive force" of some 600.000 regulars and Guardsmen, involving an in crease of about 138.000 men beyond the existing authorized strength of the land forces. Optimistic Over Business. While Senator Norris was arguing against any great expansion of Army and Navy funds and stressing relief needs, Senator Capper, Republican, of Kansas returned from New York with the report that business circles there are more optimistic over the outlook and doubt that relief needs will be as great next year as they have been in the current year. Senator Capper, advocating a strong air force and possibly more naval vessels, agreed with Senator Norris that America is not in dan ger of attack, but took this view of the question: “The country with ample defense forces now is in a fortunate posi tion. It serves as a warning to other people that we are going to take care of ourselves if we have to, but that we are not going to take part in other people's wars.” The Kansan said he thought it was agreed rather generally that the next session will make some in creases for national defense. “I have never been much of an advocate of a big Army or Navy, but vwiuiviuuo uuw aic Oulu ami we ought to give the subject attention,” he added. Fears Debt Limit Boost. Senator Norris, asked if he thought Congress should increase taxes or raise the $45,000,000,000 statutory limit on public debt which the Treasury is fast approaching, re plied. “We probably will have to do both.” Senator Capper, on the other hand, expressed hope the debt ceil ing would not have to be raised, predicting that if it is done it will be largely on account of the war situation and the resulting national defense needs. He voiced a hope also that new tax levies could be avoided. Senator Norris, discussing the fiscal situation, recalled that not many years ago, when the Gov ernment was taking in more than its expenses, Congress scaled taxe» (See DEFENSE, Page A-4.) a.