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Plan Faces 'Death' Study Hankin Says Sliding Scale for Pepco Soon To Be Considered By DON S. WABREN. Abandonment of the sliding scale plan for annual adjustment of rates of the Potomac Electric Power Co. under which there have been rate cuts .every year since the plan was initiated. December 31, 1924—will be “considered” by the Public Utilities Commission at hearings to be held “soon,” according to an announce ment today by Commission Chair man Gregory Hankin. While it was emphasized no mem ber of the regulatory body as yet has reached any final conclusion, the mere official suggestion that aban donment of the sliding scale plan was subject to consideration con stituted the most radical change considered in more than 16 years. This subject was listed as one of several reasons why the annual rate adjustment of power rates had not been considered, as usual, in late January. Although there was a rate reduction last January amounting to $338,324, Chairman Hankin said that judging by figures compiled either by the staff of the commission or by the Pepco for the last calendar year, there appeared to be no pros pect of another power rate cut for consumers for this calendar year. On this point, the commission de clined to reveal figures on the power company expenses and revenues of the last year, since these would be Involved in the forthcoming valua tion and rate hearing, the date for which is to be announced soon. Waited for Flanagan. One of the reasons given for the delay in the annual rate adjustment was that the third member of the commission, James H. Flanagan, had been nominated and only re cently was confirmed by the Senate, and Chairman Hankin said he had thought, as a matter of courtesy, decision on such an important mat ter should be deferred until after he had taken office. As further reason he said that the entire membership of the commis sion, since the last Pepco rate order was issued, had been changed and that he felt that since the present members had had no experience in deciding the operation of such a sliding scale plan they should go “very thoroughly” into all the cir cumstances and not act “blindly.” The sliding scale plan was initi ated under the consent decree given by the District Court as of Decem ber 31. 1924, ending a 7-year battle between the P. U. C. and the power company over rates. Under that decision, a $6,000,000 impounded fund was split more or less half and half between the consumers and the company and the sliding scale in augurated. Many millions of dol lars thereby have been returned to power consumers in the form of rate reductions, and advocates of the plan have declared, in recent years, that rates here compared “favorably” even with the Tennessee Valley Au thority “yardsticks.” However, recur rently there have arisen questions as to the profits being made by the North American Co. as the owner of the controlling interest in the Washington Railway & Electric Co., which owns outright the stock of the Pepco, as well as controlling in terest in the Capital Transit Co. Also those who have figured what the North American Co. paid for Wreco stock and figuring on divi dends in recent years, have calcu lated profits on this basis amounted to huge sums. Letter Explains Delay. An official order has not yet been Issued by the commission regarding the forthcoming hearing, but today reasons for the delay in annual ad justment of rates Were given by Chairman Hankin in a letter to A. G. Neal, power company president. Mr. Hankin said, in part: "Since all three Commissioners are new incumbents and none of us has had any experience with the sliding scale plan, I thought that we should at this time examine more carefully into the operations of the plan and determine for ourselves whether it is of benefit to the utility and to the public and should there fore be continued, or whether we should adopt some other basis of rate making, should it appear, upon analysis of the facts, that the slid ing scale plan is not advantageous to the utility and to the public. * * * "It seems to me that in deciding whether one method of rate making or another should be followed, we should also consider carefully vari ous questions which have presented themselves in the course of our pre liminary study. For example in connection with the computation of the rate base, we note that large amounts have been allowed for working capital and for materials and supplies. "These amounts may be perfectly proper; nevertheless, we ought to develop the facts and base our con clusions upon the facts. Also, in connection with the rate base, there is an annual adjustment of 1941 re tirements of plant included in the 1924 rate base to 1924 rate base values. (The consent decree fixed the rate base as of December 31, 1924, at about $32,500,000, and as of 1940, including additions since then, this had been raised to nearly $85, 000,000.) "In view of the fact that recently this commission and the Federal Power Commission have found that the actual original cost of the prop erty of the power company, as of December 31, 1936, was $63,000,000, a question has arisen whether that would not have an effect on the amount of adjustment of the above stated retirements (of physical properties in the power company properties, worn out in service and subject to replacement out of funds contributed by power consumers)." Raises Salary Issue. Mr. Hankin said that among questions involved in the issue were. What are the salaries paid high ranking officers of Pepco—this ques tion not going so much as to the size of the salaries as to how much of them are charged to operating ex penses which are being paid by the public. Whether it is ‘‘reasonable’’ to Charge against operating expenses •mounts on past bases for retire ments of properties for employe wel fare purposes, contributions to char ities, such as Community Chest do nations (which heretofore have been disallowed as operating expenses) ' -- 1 ■ ■ .————— fThis is the 13th in a series of sketches to appear in The Star each Saturday.) VIRGINIA APPROACH TO GEORGETOWN—A motorist driving north on the George Washington Memorial Parkway will see, framed in branches, the spires of Georgetown University beyond the arches of Key Bridge. One day, it is planned, this riverside road will extend along the Potomac to Great Falls. Georgetown University, sketched here in afternoon sunlight and shadow by Helen Gatch Durston, is the oldest Catholic college in America. Its first building was erected the year before the birth of the United States Constitution on a site chosen by John Carroll, first Archbishop of Baltimore. He preferred the Potomac bluffs to the hill which later became the building place for the Capitol. The latter was considered “too far in the country.” Since 1805 the institution has been directed by the Fathers of the Society of Jesus, and in 1833 the Holy See empowered it to confer degrees in philosophy and theology. Its reliquary con tains the bones of St. Vincentius, a Spanish martyr of the 4th century, and of St. Aelius and St. Theophilus, two Roman soldiers—sent to America by papal order. Its library holds Mark Twain's longhand manuscript of “Tom Sawyer.” The reinforced concrete bridge, which each day bears a tremendous burden of Washington Virginia traffic, was erected by Army engineers in 1923, under direction of Col. W. L. Fiske. It is a memorial to Francis Scott Key, a lawyer who lived for 20 years near its far end, at 3518 M street N.W., where the author of “The Star Spangled Banner” fathered 11 children. — -A Dennett Testimony Before Grand Jury Continues Today Questioned 5 Hours Yesterday After Counsel Advised Him to Talk Prescott Dennett, reluctant wit ness in the German propaganda trial of George Sylvester Viereck, spent nearly five hours yesterday before the special grand jury in vestigating Axis activities and was called to resume his testimony this morning. Dennett, who refused to testify at the Viereck trial on the ground that his answers might incriminate him, was understood to have changed his mind after consultation with his new attorney, Frank J. Kelly, and to have gone back to the grand jury a willing witness. The publicist, formerly director of the Islands for War Debts Commit tee and a predecessor organization of similar aim, came to the grand jury yesterday accompanied by Mr. Kelly, who said he had advised the witness to reveal any information he had. Dennett was examined before the grand jury by Edward J. Hickey, jr., special prosecutor from the Justice Department. Mr. Hickey had not completed his interrogation when the jurors adjourned yesterday afternoon and the Dennett recital was to be continued today. The grand jury, which has been investigating alien propaganda for months, indicted Viereck on charges of withholding his assertedly wide spread activities on behalf of the Reich in statements following his registration at the State De partment as a German agent. Den nett was linked by Government testimony at the Viereck trial with some of Viereck's publishing activi ties and with the mailing out of franked speeches by members of Congress. The Viereck trial will be resumed Monday, when the defense will con tinue its case. The trial has been in recess since Wednesday because of the judicial conferences at the Court of Appeals. Construction Cave-in Traps K Street Bus A police crane was used this morning to haul a bus out of a con struction cut on Twentieth street near K street N.W., which appar ently caved in from the weight of the vehicle, police said. The bus was heading south at the time. No injuries or damage was reported to police of No. 3 pre cinct, which dispatched several po licemen to the scene to direct the rush-hour traffic. and amounts allowed for working capital. In this connection, Mr. Hankin emphasized that while the rate base as of 1936 was found to be more than $71,000,000, the original cost for that year since has been found to be only $63,000,000. Original cost means the original price put on the books as to what the utility con cerned paid for certain additions made to the plant at certain dates— in other words the “historical cost.” This is one of the many methods used by the District P. U. C. since its creation in arriving at the value for rate-making purposes for reg ulated District utilities. Stroller, 74, Beats Off Two Bandits With Cane A spirited 74-year-old man last night matched his cane against a gun—and won. Walter Gleason, 1815 Monroe street N.W., told police he was strolling near his home when two colored men came up behind him. One of the thugs stuck a gun in his back and announced, "This is a holdup,” while the other man started "frisking” him for his wallet. Mr. Gleason whirled on the gun man and started beating him with his cane. Both men fled empty handed and Mr. Gleason continued his stroll. 0 Need to Re-Establish Faith Is Emphasized In Lenten Sermon Rev. Wilbur H. Wilson Preaches at Mount Vernon Place Methodist Church The need for re-establishment of faith in God more than just a feel ing of need for Him was stressed by the Rev. Wilbur H. Wilson, pastor of the Mount Vernon Place Methodist Church at lenten services yesterday. “In the face of difficulty.” Dr. Wil son said, “faith in God will give one a sense of calmness and drive away all fears.” The Rev. Carroll C. Roberts, pas tor of Ninth Street Christian Church, using as his topic “Living in Two Worlds — Material and Spiritual,” told members of his congregation “the present trend .of feeling is most ly material, but a stronger feeling for the spiritual world will come out of the present era and bring about a Christian Nation—a Christian world.” The Right Rev. Robert L. Strider, Bisho;p of West Virginia, in his clos ing talk at the -Church of the Epiphany yesterday noon, used as his subject, “What Jesus Taught About the Destiny of Man.” “Jesus taught men must not be bound by the past and the present,” he said, “but must pass on through the door of hope, a life which will never knew defeat and which will never end.” “The world must pass out of a wicked and disillusioned present,” Bishop Strider said, “and go forth to a redeemed and victorious future.” The Rev. Chester B. Emerson, dean of Trinity Cathedral, Cleveland, will speak at noon Monday through Fri day at Epiphany. Women's Bar Group To Fete D. C. Jurists Members of the District judiciary will be honor guests of the Wom en’s Bar Association of the District at a banquet at 7 o'clock tonight at the Mayflower Hotel. The banquet was planned to co incide with conclusion of the 3d annual judicial circuit conference here. David E. Grant of New York, chairman of the international and comparative law section of the American Bar Association, will be the principal speaker. Miss Marguerite Rawalt will be toastmistress. Mrs. Elizabeth Cox, association president, will make an address of welcome. Jerome F. Barnard will lead the glee club of the District Bar Association in se lections. Miss Mary Agnes Brown is chairman of the dinner. No Inquest Ordered In Deaths of Victims Of Trench Collapse Two Workmen Buried In Sewer Excavation As Shoring Gives Way Buried under tons of earth when shoring gave way in a 12-foot-deep 6ewer trench at Second and P streets S.W., two workmen died yes terday before aid could reach them. The victims were Elmer L. Martin, 31, of 127 Twelfth street N.E., a plumber, and Fred Pendergast, 40, colored, 46 H street N.E.. a laborer. A third man, Arthur T. Dearstine of Glenn Dale. Md., who was working outside the trench, jumped to safety as the cave-in started. The men were working at the bottom of the ditch when a small earth slide occurred near the bot tom, covering their legs almost to the knees. Before they could free themselves, the shoring on one side Of the ditch collapsed and the men were buried under an avalanche of earth. After about an hour of frantic digging by other workmen, the laborer’s body was recovered, and he was pronounced dead. Another hour and a half of work was re quired before the plumber’s body was extricated. Coroner A. Magruder MacDonald ordered the bodies taken to the morgue. He said no inquest will be held, but that the Homicide Squad would take statements from wit nesses. Investigation said the sewer, which will extend from South Capi tol street to the Army War College, was being dug through newly filled in land, asd that this probably caused the cave-in. Man Convicted of Assault Is Sentenced to Be Hanged Frank Haywood, 32, colored, con victed Tuesday in the Circuit Court of Upper Marlboro, Md., on a charge of criminal assault on a 17-year-old Washington girl, was sentenced yes terday by Judge Charles C. Mar bury to be hanged. Haywood told the jury, which de liberated only 35 minutes, that he was innocent. The girl and soldier testified, however, that Haywood forced them to drive their car from near College Park to a sand pit, where he tied the soldier’s wrists and attacked the girl. He later robbed the soldier-of $37. Haywood was caught in January during an attempted. robbery of a Riverdale (Md.) home. Defense Unit Warned Against Wasted Effort Taft Advises Group To Avoid Unnecessary Committees The 28 representatives from vari ous Washington activities selected by Welfare Director Conrad Van Hynlng as a Planning Committee of the voluntary participation di vision in the District civilian defense setup met with local and Pederal defense officials last night and heard a warning against permitting un necessary -effort to seep into the organization. Charles P. Taft, assistuit director of defense health and welfare ser vices of the Federal Security Agency, advised the group to include in its program every function, but to take particular care that no unnecessary committees are created, "You should not set up any com mittee unless it has a Job to do,” he said. "If you have a temporary task to be attended to, form a tem porary committee and disband it after the work is done, thus clearing it from your books.” Hear Bolles and Daniels. Mr. Taft was one of three speakers at the meeting, held at the Taft House Inn. 1601 K street N.W., and presided over by Mr. Van Hyning. The others were Col. Lemuel Bolles, executive director of the District Defense Council, and Jonathan Daniels, director of program plan ning, voluntary participation divi sion, O. C. D. The recreation task in the Dis trict was described by Mr. Taft as particularly difficult in view of the numbers of baseball diamonds, ten nis courts and similar facilities taken over as sites for temporary office buildings. He pointed out that present estimates before Con gress call for at least 1900.000 to replace them. Urging the committee to provide an overall representation of all people interested in a particular program, Mr. Taft suggested that the present is an ideal time to do awav with taboos of the past and to meet a problem that is known to exist. He cited that the extra push resulting from the war emergency affords a chance "to get things done that shopld have been done long ago.” ' Boiles Sees Other Activity. Earlier Col. Boiles told the group that "we as a people don’t know j the meaning of sacrifice in our national interest.” He said the O. C. D. so far has devoted its atten tion mainly to completion of the protective services, but that it now is at the point at which it can turn to other activity. Mr. Daniels, praising Mrs. Roose velt for the impetus she gave the civilian defense program, declared that people of America want to mobilize and to be mobilized, that they are impatient for “purposeful participation” in the serious aspects of war. He said the community services will play an important part In the emergency, both in relieving the public from the impacts in store for it and in conserving labor and materials. In closing the meeting, which he called a "pep” session, Mr. Van Hvning told the Planning Commit tee that one reason he had called for its organization was “to have a fairly representative body of citizens to share the responsibility with me.” He explained that its duty will be to initiate plans and obtain action of all matters relating to community services. Another meeting, at which the or ganization will be prefected, he said, will be held within the next two or three weeks. Riverside Stadium Rail Collapse Injures 2 Soldiers Two Fort Meade soldiers were seriously injured last night at Riv erside Stadium when a guard rail on which they were sitting broke, plunging them from 12 to 14 feet to a concrete floor, police announced today. They are Pvt. Gordon Vosberg, 27. probable fracture of skull, with condition regarded as serious, and Sergt. Edwin W. Adams, 24, who suffered a mild concussion and whose condition is reported to be favorable by physicians at the Wal ter Reed Hospital, to which they were transferred after first being taken to Emergency Hospital. With two other soldiers, Pvt. Richard Johnson, 24, and Pvt. Fred Lee, 25, they were watching a hockey game when a two-by-four guard rail broke. All four fell, but Johnson and Lee escaped injury. First-aid treatment was rendered at the arena by doctors who were in attendance. Man Found Suicide In Hotel Room Here A certificate of suicide was Is sued last night in the death of Frank Cary Steward, 60, who was found dead with a bullet wound in his temple yesterday in a room at the Franklin Park Hotel. Mr. Steward's body was found by a housekeeper. A .45-caliber pistol lay beside him. A note, ad dressed to his son, John L. Steward, told of the victim’s ill health, ac cording to police. Mr. Steward and his wife came here recently to live with their son in Silver Spring. Zoo Trades Poisonous Snakes For Harmless New Animals Instead of destroying the poison ous snakes at the Zoo, Director Wil liam M. Mann has traded them for miscellaneous animals which would be quite harmless if liberated by an air raid. In the trade, Dr. Mann received a pair of curly-haired highland cattle from Scotland, no larger than New foundland dogs and somewhat re sembling the shaggy canines. They are the first of their type ever seen here. Included in the trade were two big spider monkeys from South America with prehensile tails of a utility equal to an extra hand or foot. The monkeys have astonishingly long arms, legs and tails, and are the star acrobats of American jungles. The reptiles which were to be sac rificed as a safety precaution also brought in a pair of parrot finches. The snakes, which probably will be exhibited in inland cities, included West African vipers, cobras from Eastern Asia and American rattle snakes. Dr. Mann said he hoped to obtain additional rattlesnakes rendered harmless by the extraction of their fangs. “TREASURE” HUNT IN SWIM POOL—Clarence H. Ermer, 10. of 924 Twenty-second street N.W., displays his newly found treas ure, which he has just brought up from the bottom of the Y. M. C. A. pool. His treasure is a pocket knife. He is one of the many boys who dived for “buried treasure” in the “Y” pool last night. —Star Staff Photo. Judicial Conference Urges Further Study Of Integrated Bar Closed Meeting Today To Bring Three-Day Session to Close With a closed meeting of jurist# of the United States Court of Ap peals and of District Court to talk over mutual problems and to seek better ways of administering jus tice here, the Third Judicial Con ference was to terminate its three day session today. The conference voted to recom mend to the Judicial Council, com posed of the judges of the United States Court of Appeals, that the so-called integrated bar proposal be given further study. Its propo nents say that the suggested legis lation would make for higher stand ards for the bar and insure the pub lic better service. The conference continued the Committee on the Integrated Bar. headed by Attorney Paul P. Hannah, and directed that it make its final report to next year's conference. Meanwhile, the bar is to study the projected legislation and copies of it will be circulated and suggestions invited. The conference thanked the Com mittee on the Integrated Bar for its work and expressed similar senti ments for the Committee on Assign ment of Counsel in Civil and Crim inal Cases, headed by Justice James M. Proctor of District Court; the Committee on Criminal Procedure, of which United States Attorney Ed ward M. Curran is chairman, rec ommending its continuation for an other year, and the Committee on Standardized Jury Instructions, headed by Attorney Edmund D. Campbell, which it also continued. Urge Use of Instructions. In principle, the conference ap proved the jury instructions and voted to urge upon the District Court judges presiding in the civil jury , branch to use the present draft so far as possible for the balance of the . court year. The conference recog nized that the individual judge's conception of the law in a given case must be preserved. • The conference voted to set up a Committee on Administrative Law to study the complex problem aris ing out of decisions in the executive branch of the Government and the procedure of administrative agen cies. Expressing its “affectionate regard and hope for the speedy recovery” of Justice Oscar R. Luhring of the District Court, who is ill, the con ference by special resolution went on record as regretting his absence from its deliberations in which he has played a large part. Yesterday afternoon's discussion ran the gamut of better pre-trial methods, problems arising out of administrative law, a more frank criticism of the bench by the bar and vice versa, the desirability of uniform fees in divorce cases in District Court, the larger part that lawyers can play in the conferences of thu future, as well as other prob lems. Justice Eicher Presides. During part of yesterday after noon's session. Chief Justice Ed ward C. Eicher of District Court presided, as did Associate Justice Fred M. Vinson of the appellate court. When general open discus sion was reached, Justice James W. Morris of District Court assumed the presiding officer’s chair. Addresses were given by Attorney Louis G. Caldwell and Commissioner John W. Scott of the Federal Power Commission on “Administrative Law in Its Relation to the Courts of the District of Columbia.” Attorney William P. MacCracken, jr„ in dis cussing this topic, pointed out that the courts in the District are really national courts, because of the vol-* ume of business dealing with the executive branch of the Govern ment. In any reform of adminis trative procedure, he said. District Court and the United States Court of Appeals here must play an im portant role. E. Barrett Prettyman, president of the District Bar Association, told the conference the administrative process is a necessary and desirable part of Government, but that it must be fitted into the mold of democratic government and held within constitutional principles. Ad ministrative process, he declared, will have to have procedures that are expeditious, simple and economi cal, that definite issues must be pre sented in cases, that rules of evi dence must prevail and the rights of the individual must be preserved. Discuss Presentation. A panel discussion, participated in by Associate Justices Justin Miller and Wiley Jtutledge of the Appellate Court ana Justices Jesse C. Adkins and Bolitha J. Laws of District Court, revolved around: "The Pre sentation of Cases in Trial and Ap pellate Courts.” Justice Miller ad vised the lawyers never to submit a case without oral argument, that they should give simple, impres sionistic sketch of their ckses and state clearly the conflicting conten tions and asserted that "there is no Recognition of Korea As Republic Urged At Conference Here Dr. Syngman Rhee Cites Vast Man Power To Fight With Allies Victory strategy for the war urges American recognition of Korea’s right to independence, Dr. Paul F. Douglass, president of American University, declared last night at the opening sessions of the Korean Lib erty Conference at the Lafayette Hotel, where some of the women delegates wore colorful Korean dress. Dr. Syngman Rhee. the Korean provisional government's representa tive in the United States, explained Korea's strategical value by pointing out that 23.000.000 Japanese-hating Koreans are ready to join the war in the Far East on the side of the United States. The Koreans, Dr. Rhee said, are now under Japanese domination, but a little encouragement that would lead them to know that out side powers were interested in their having freedom would stir them to vigorous revolt. Have Fought for 32 Years. “My countrymen have been fight- ■ ing Japan for the last 32 years at home and abroad, in every conceiv able way. while China, the United States and the rest of the world were asleep, when all the world had not the slightest idea of what Japan 1 was preparing to do,” Dr. Rhee said. "Right now the Koreans have their provisional government in Chungking, China. They have their own army fighting alongside the ; Chinese against the common enemy. ] As the representative of that gov ernment, I have asked your State Department to extend recognition to the Republic of Korea. “Recognition would mean that some of the planes and guns and munitions you are turning out of your arsenal of democracy would not be denied us, as they are now. “We offer you our tremendous »manpower in the hope you will accept it for our common cause. Every Japanese engaged in fighting Koreans is one less Japanese to fight an American soldier." Pleads for Friendship. Representative Coffee. Democrat, of Washington, praising the indom itable national spirit of the Koreans, who have not lost hope for freedom despite 32 years under Japanese control, said that “we in the United States should be loath to fail to extend the hand of friendship to Korea.” “This is Korea’s golden opportun ity in its fight for independence,” he said. “It is our opportunity to cut Japan’s life-line to the continent in aid of Korea.” The delegates to the conference were to be entertained at tea today at American University. Tomorrow they will have sessions marking the 23d anniversary of the Korean Dec laration of Independence, which was issued March 1, 1919, by patriotic exiles. Post Offices Here Open Until 6 P.M. Today The Washington Post Office and all branches will remain open today on the regular weekday schedule to accommodate persons waiting to ob tain postal money orders to pay in come taxes. Complete postal service will be maintained. Vincent C. Burke, post master, said, including the sale of Defense bonds and stamps. Mr. Burke said the longer hours were established today because it is the end of the month and Government pay day and it was felt necessary to have the post offices open during the late afternoon to accommodate those wishing to do po^al business. Stations that normally close at 2 pm. on Saturdays will be kept open until 6 p.m., while those with late Saturday hours will remain open as usual. W. P. B. Puts Ban On Firearms Sales The War Production Board has prohibited the sale of new pistols, rifles or shotguns by any one other than manufacturers. The order was issued last night to check an expected run- on fire arms and save present stocks for war plant protection, civilian de fense and police use. substitute for careful preparation.” Justice Adkins declared that ade quate preparation is the greatest single aid to a short trial, that tes timony should be confined to issues and he gave hints on the direct and cross-examination. Justice Laws told the conference that "in the preparation of plead ings, in the making of opening state ments and in the argument of cases, that in these days of complicated cases and Issues, you will resort to simplicity and clarity.” Plan to Salvage Non-Profective O.C.D. Work Hit Byrd Against Shifts, Favoring Abolition Of Unrelated Activity By J. A. OXEABY. Chairman Byrd of the Joint Con gressional Economy Committee to day declared hie belief that d.vi sions of the Office of Civilian De fense not related to protective measures should be abolished out right. “I am utterly opposed to the mere transfer of those activities to some other branch of the Government," said the Virginia Democrat, com menting on the testimony yester day of Director James M. Landis that the physical fitness division of O. C. D.. subject of recent con troversy, will soon be shifted to the office of health, defense and welfare of the Federal Security Agency. Senator Byrd, who adjourned the hearings yesterday afternoon to give Mr. Landis 30 days to complete a reorganization now in progress, said the committee will Invite Mr. Landis to come in at that time and outline the changes made. Near the close of yesterday’s ses sion several committee members asked Mr. Landis to submit further information on specific subjects later on. Travel Expense Data Asked. Senator McKellar, Democrat, of Tennessee asked for a detailed re port on payments O. C. D. has made for traveling expenses. The Sen ator said he found recently that one Government agency, which he did not name, had spent $2,500,000 for traveling expenses in a year. Mr. Landis told the committee the total allotment made to O. C. D. thus far for administrative expenses is $931,000. Of that amount, he said, $435,000 was allotted for travel, but to date only $126,000 has been spent for that purpose. Chairman Byrd asked for a tabu lation of the cost of O. C. D. pub licity functions, and Senator Tyd ings. Democrat, of Maryland, re quested Mr. Landis to submit a brief summing up the arguments for and against placing a military man at the head of the O. C. D. The Maryland Senator, author of a bill to transfer the agency to the War Department, said he does not favor turning air-raid defense over to Army officers all down the line, but believes an Army man should direct the program to beycarrled out by local civilian volunteers in event of raids. Landis Asks for 6 Weeks. To sustain his contention, Senator Tjdings said O. C. D. has had to go to various technical branches of the Army and the Public Health Serv ice for preparation of the pamphlets it has distributed on what to do in case of a raid. Mr. Landis suggested he be given six weeks to complete the reorgan ization, but said he would be glad to return after 30 days and tell the committee what had been done up to that time. Questioned by Senator Byrd as to what changes would be made be sides transferring the physical fit ness section to another place in the Government, Mr. Landis said the Youth Section may be abolished. Asked by Senator Byrd about the future of the racial relations sec tion. Mr. Landis said he was hesi tant about abolishing that, indicat ing he thought it performed a help ful function. Senator Byrd and Representative Taber. Republican, of New York con tended all citizens should be ap proached as Americans rather than racial groups, in defense work, and argued that if a racial relations sec tion is to be maintained for the colored population the O. C. D.. to be consistent, should establish sim ilar sections for the Poles, Italians and other groups. Cites Use in Other Fields. Before leaving the stand Mr. Landis said he did not want to leave the committee under the illusion that, in discussing reorganization, the agency would be limited solely to protective work against bombing. Pointing out that there are 9,000 local defense councils, Mr. Landis suggested they could be of service in earning out national policies con nected with the war effort. To il lustrate, he cited the campaign to salvage paper and metals as a func tion in which they might co-operate. Senator McKellar questioned the authority of O. C. D. to join in the salvage campaign, but Mr. Landis quoted language from the President’s order creating the civilian defense agency which, he said, covered such a defense effort by the civilian pop ulation. The Tennessee Senator said he felt it was his duty as a member of the Appropriations Committee to submit the O. C. D. set-up to Con troller General Warren, who passes on the validity of Government ex penditures. Earlier In the hearing Senator McKellar clashed verbally with Mr. Landis over the effect of the ban recently adopted by Congress against use of any part of the new $100,000,000 O. C. D. fund for physical fitness activities or for instruction in dancing or theatrical entertainment. Mr. Landis pointed out that limitation applied only to the $100,000,000 in that bill, nearly all of which is for purchase of gas masks and other air raid equipment, whereas O. C. D. gets its general operating expenses by allotment from the President’s funds for the Office of Emergency Man agement. Agree on Legal Interpretation. Senator McKellar later agreed that Mr. Landis was "entirely right” in the legal interpretation of the ban, but added that O. C. D. was violating the. purpose of Congress. "We follow the law,” Mr. Landis replied. Chairman Byrd and Senator Ty dings both Indicated to Mr. Landis they were not criticizing him for what may have been done by O. C. D. before he became director a short time ago, but were thinking only of what should be done now. Senator Tydings described how Charles County In Southern Mary land, lying between the Atlantic Ocean and Washington, has organ ized an air raid protective force of 2,000 volunteers out of a total popu lation of 17,000, and raised a $5,000 defense fund among themselves. They receive no pay and want none, the Senator said, but they become disturbed when “they read about dancing and an arts couWcil."