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A Recent Visit With Frank Lloyd Wright: The Fire and the Flare Were Still There By MAURICE ROSENBLATT Csatrikatlni Writer When I lint n* Prank Lloyd • Wright In 1039 he *u having a Aght in • snowstorm with s con tractor he owed some money. Be fore It was over I had pulled ; him out of a snowbank on State • street in Madison, Wls. It was typical that this non • conformist, then 95. was still fighting with people he couldn’t understand. But the idea the ar chitect was an ill-humored old man has been overdone, in reality he almost always was in good humor. Because I happened to be visit ing in Phoenix March 25, and had an invitation to Mr. Wright’s place, Taliesin West, I was privil eged to have the last Interview and to get the last photograph of him. Many times before, while I was a student at the University of Wisconsin and a Wisconsin news paper man. I had visited his re markable summer home and work shop, Taliesin East, near Madison. Now it was interesting to see what time had done to this facile mind. H« Kept His Pace Mr. Wright had lost little of the dogma and arrogance which I had seen over 20 years ago. Physically he looked goo<f except for a palsy of the hands. He paced himself well, did not rush, and walked steadily without the aid of glasses. Mentally he was like an ency clopedia. To what he had known 20 years before he had added much lore and seemingly had re tained everything he had ever experienced. Perhaps most remarkable was that, at 80, Frank Lloyd Wright was still looking into the future. "The hope for America is the teen-agers.” he told me in that last interview. “They haven’t learned to conform yet. ‘T get a lot of letters from teen agers and each week answer at least one personally." Here was a man who had lived more than half the life of the Republic, pinning his faith on people 75 years his Junior. New Plans at 89 You could see his forward looking in his huge drafting room at Taliesin West, bursting with new plans, drawings, new works and projections. It was rewarding to see him working with his 90 student disciples. At fourscore and ten he had the same twinkle, the same irreverent snort as he poked at institutions, fads, pompous ideas and buildings. As we talked for two hours his mindr grasped securely topics rang ing from architecture to political parties, the late Joseph McCarthy, the Civil War and America’s culture. A HISTORICAL SURVEY What the Laws Really Say on Nudity By PHIL YEAGER Contributing Writer In 1663 an English knight named Sir Charles Sedley, hap pily inebriated, decided to recite obscene poetry from the balcony of a village inn—while clad in nothing but his socks. The local citizenry became so worked up over this performance that a riot ensued, and Sir Charles awoke the next morning in Jail. From this affair grew the mile stone case of King vs. Sedley, which resulted in Sir Charles’ con viction for indecent exposure and obscenity. It was the first time in the history of the English-speak ing people that anyone was legally chastised for nakedness. Since that time, however, the problem of nudity has been bounced all around the judicial arena, alternately experiencing phases of purltanism and laissez faire, but never straying far from the surface of the public con science. Today American law is full of statutes, ordinances, court deci sions and so on which, under standably, confuse people in re •gard to when and where it is all right to be undressed, under what circumstances and to what extent. Controversy Over Painting The latest legal flareup about the touchy-but-interesting prob lem of nudity was between United Artists Corp. and the United States Post Office. The film company sued in Fed eral District Court to lift an al leged Post Office ban on the mail ing of advertisements for its cur rent movie. "The Naked Maja.” The film is based on the life of of the great 18th-century Spanish artist, Francisco Goya, and the advertisements in question repro duced his famous "Maja” painting which depicts a robust female nude recumbent upon a mound of satin pillows. < Noting that the original "Maja” hangs in the Prado Museum in Madrid and is obviously “art,” United Artists said it could see no reason to ban the painting from going through the mails. Eventually a number of critics and outside organizations became entangled in the argument, in cluding the American Civil Liber ties Union, before it was estab lished that the Post Office had not ruled on the matter and the court dismissed the suit. A clue to the way the majority of Americans view the matter of nudity can probably be found in the law, which undertakes to re strict it in a variety of ways. Where personal behavior is con cerned. the law operates mainly through indecency laws and rules against disorderly conduct. Where articles are concerned, such as books, pictures, films, pho tographs and the like, the law works mainly through obscenity statutes or censorship. But there are a dozen other ways in which the law, on occasion, may govern Ir -apyppiiil*. ~ sW - ' i ’ 111 l C: § y«/,V{>'/ Hr # - * - FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT At Taliesin on March 26 “I’m against conformity,” he saicj. “It’s the lazy man’s way of getting by.” He spoke on briskly. “We are in danger of being ruled by third generation authority. “The great fortunes of America are in the hands of grandchildren of the men who made the money. These grandchildren have none of the disciplines which come from dealing with realities—from the winning and holding of money.” Mr. Wright threw up his hands. “Today with this hand they say yea. with this hand nay. It’s a matter of whim; a large part of our lives are ruled by decisions that stem from third generation authority.” Definition of a Liberal The old architect was asked his definition of a liberal. “A man who can live with, and flourish amid, diverse and op posing ideas—somebody who wel comes the right of others to op pose him," he replied. It sounded to me like a capsule autobiography. A visitor, turning to politics, suggested that as presently con structed, the two political parties do not offer much choice. “The programs of the two par ties may seem similar,” said Mr. nudity. These Include rules against inciting to riot, disturbing the peace, unlawful assembly, contributing to the delinquency of minors, outraging public de cency, etc. All States have laws prohibiting indecent exposure of the person, and all but New Mexico proscribe the distribution of obscene articles of literature. The District Code The District of Columbia code is fairly typical. It says that any one in the District who obscenely or indecently exposes his or her person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by fines up to S3OO or 90 days in jail or both. If minors under 16 are present, the fine may go to SI,OOO and the jail sentence to a year for each offense. The sale or distribution of indecent publications, including promotion for performances which may be obscene or lewd, is punishable by a fine of between SSO and SSOO plus up to a year in Jail. Some States write in greater detail. New York, for example, says that “any person who willfully and lewdly exposes his person or the private parts thereof in any public place or in any place where others are present” is guilty of a misdemeanor. It further prohibits nudity on the part of any person in any place, public or private, if two or more persons of the oppo site sex are present and are "sim ilarly exposed.” California, which like New York has particular prob lems involving modeling, theatri cal productions, and artists groups is even tougher in that it makes the second offense for exposure a felony rather than a misdemea nor. It is more lenient in that it limits the locale of the offense to public places and “any place where there are present other per sons to be offended or annoyed thereby.” This seems to provide greater leeway for nudity so long as those present do not mind it. Controlling personal acts such as indecent exposure is one thing. Regulating a person's thoughts is something quite different; and this is where the law encounters dif ficulty as it endeavors to censor nudity in literature and art. It runs into trouble, basically, for two reasons. One is that it must be careful not to violate the Bill of Eights which guarantees freedom of speech and expression. The other is that it can only pro hibit those things which are “obscene," “lewd." "lascivious,” “filthy,” etc., and these are sub jective terms which are legally almost impossible to define. Sense of Moral Values As one student of the problem says: "Regardless of how the words may be defined, courts must invoke somebody's sense of moral values to determine the legal consequences. Whose sense of decency or good taste or delicacy is controlling? Whose morals must the matter tend to corrupt?” Other lawyers object to such Wright. “But the difference is in the people of the parties. Not in the labels but in the men who run and lead the parties, there the distinction lies.” Mr. Wright recalled that people had blamed the State of Wisconsin for producing an extremist like Senator McCarthy. “This shows that people don’t understand what McCarthyism was all about,” he continued. “The problem wasn’t the man, Joe Mc- Carthy, but the American people. “This is what worried me, that the whole country was really so sick that a fellow like McCarthy could take hold and dominate our lives. It had nothing to do with Joe McCarthy and where he was from. It had to do with the mental and moral health of the country. The Problem of Education He said education constitutes America’s primary problem. “We have allowed education to be divorced from culture,’’ he said. “We train people to do spe cific Jobs, but the human product is neither an educated nor a free man. “We should include architecture, history and religion. And by re ligion, I don’t mean imported de nominational religion, but religion censorship not on grounds that the individuals who make the de cisions are unbalanced, but be cause their individual judgments are apt to be conclusive in regard to what the public will be allowed to see or read. They regard this as an infringement of free speech and press. Goya’s painting of "The Naked Maja" may be a case in point. This is one of the sexiest paint ings by the old masters, but no more so than Rubens "Judgment of Paris” or Poussin’s "Echo and Narcissus” or Ingres’ “Jupiter and Thetis.” And what about the writing of Rabelais and Voltaire? Or the Song of Solomon in the Bi ble? These things have acquired the sanctity of time, and we think of them as classics. But suppose they appeared on the market as contemporary works? Would they meet the requirements of the law? We don’t know, but we do know that a few people would make the decision as to whether the rest of us would be allowed to see and read them. It illustrates the problem. How to Set Standard Government officials have been wrestling for years with the question of how to set up a standard for deciding what mat ter is obscene. The county prose cutor in one community based his decision on whether or not the article involved was some thing he would approve of his 13-year-old daughter possessing; another branded anything ob scene which was so considered by the local clergy; still another based his decision on whether he regarded the matter “fit for children.” Judge Learned Hand described the dividing line as renting be tween mere "candor,” on one hand, and “shame” on the other. But standards such as these have been increasingly criticized, particularly as American society has become more closely welded and Federal law invoked more frequently because of its au thority over interstate commerce. Interpretation in Law The United States Code has long prohibited the mailing of any article which is "obscene, lewd, lascivious or filthy,” and anyone who “knowingly” mails such articles or receives them for distribution is subject to fines up to $5,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years. In 1955 the code was amended to prohibit further any kind of interstate shipment of such articles. Until 1957, however, there was no definitive interpretation of "obscene, lewd, lascivious or filthy.” Then the Supreme Court met the issue head-on in a case involving a man convicted of mailing an obscene publication called "American Aphrodite.” In Roth vs. United States, the court decided that (1) the so-called obscenity statutes did not violate the Bill of Rights and (2) the test of obscenity was whether the which expresses the ides and spirit of America. You know, our true priest was Walt Whitman. Be ex pressed the soul of America. “The tragedy of American his tory is that Jefferson didn’t come In the middle of the 10th century, when we were shaping our na tional personality. I think much less of Lincoln. He was a hu manitarian but Jefferson was our great educator. “The Civil War was largely a conflict between Northern manu facturers, merchants and me chanics, and the Southerners who had developed a highly cultivated society, a real culture out of their agrarian economy. Now, Lincoln was concerned with the moral Issue of the slaves; Jeffer son would have dealt with slavery, but he also would have made sure that the culture of the South was preserved and expanded, and not destroyed by the Northern busi nessmen. We lost a great oppor tunity when the Northern ma terialists made It a war of ven geance and uprooted Southern culture.” I commented on his having re tained his mastery over words. “I come,” he replied, “from a long line of preachers. My family were word men. But I’m afraid most of what I have said has only been understood by scholars and intellectuals. Because the lan ’ guage that I have used has not been simple enough, I have not been able to communicate with the average man.” “You are,” I said, “soon going to be in the embarrassing spot of being universally accepted. Her esy is but the bridge between two orthodoxies.” “No.” Mr. Wright replied, “I will never be a classic. My work is too varied, like Beethoven. I can never be reduced t 6 a style.” Controlled by Producers American’s lack of craftsman ship came in for his scorn. “Our economy is controlled by the producer, not the consumer. As a result advertising and per suasion put things over that the public really doesn’t want. The public is induced to buy the prod uct by salesmen. Therefore the public never exerts real influence over quality or taste. As a result much of our manufactured prod uct has been streamlined junk.” As he talked we strolled down the stone galleries and arbors. When I asked him to hold still for a picture he stood erect and motionless, his eyes were focused at something beyond the desert. A faint smile played on his lips like an old pagan God who had tasted life and found it good. As Taliesin —in Welsh meaning "shining brow”—fit into the Arizona land scape so did Frank Llo?d Wright seem to fit into Taliesin. This was no accident. work or article, as a whole, judged by contemporary standards, would aopeal to the average man’s “prurient” interest. Outlawing Obscenity The decision has been met with mixed reactions. Some hail it as a vindication of morality in the United States. Others believe it is actually a restriction in pre-exist ing powers to outlaw obscenity Still others. Including some offi cials of the highly respected Amer ican Law Institute, regard the de cision as an compro mise. The institute, which has wrestled with the problem longer and more deeply than any other legal entity in the United States, has tentatively suggested that an article should be legally obscene only if it exhibits “morbid in terest in nudity, sex or excretion, and if it goes substantially beyond customary limits. . . .” The dif ference between this view and the Supreme Court’s seems to be that the Court definition brings into play certain traditional notions of law that obscenity depends on whether the painting, book or per formance "arouses, lustful thoughts” or "incites to deprav ity.” The institute's idea is pegged to current suspicions that moderate lust is more or less nor mal and that it is difficult for a mere picture or magazine to foster depravity. Many legal scholars, influenced no doubt by modern psychology and anthropology, are convinced that nudity in the law is simply a facet of prevailing attitudes to ward sex and, therefore, any at tempt to regulate it must be highly imperfect. 'Thinking Makes It So" They suggest that there can be no obscenity without psychologi cal repression, no “dirt” without a mind seeking it. In short, they subscribe to the philosophy that “nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” They point that incest, which is totally taboo in our Anglo-American cul ture from a legal point of view, is tolerated good-humoredly by the Eskimos and* Indians. Some lawyers even argue that “obscene” . literature and art. instead of be ing a social evil, may actually pro vide a harmless outlet for those afflicted with abnormal desires. In this, they disagree with the FBI that “obscene” literature, of itself, is a significant contributing cause of crime. Whatever the truth of the situation, it seems likely that, for the foreseeable future, illegal nudity and obscenity will be largely determined by postal examiners. State prosecutors and local magistrates. Supreme Court definitions notwithstanding, their taste in the matter, together with the convictions of the communi ties they serve, are likely to con trol the legality of dress and un dress. THE INDIANS AND THE ALASKANS A Dramatic Health Story By ARTHUR 8. FLEMMING •ocroterr •< Health, education and Welfare One of the Nation's most dra matic health stories of our time has been unfolding quietly and steadily among American Indians and Alaska natives. I have received from Surgeon General Leroy E. Burney a report Tki* ftatawant by Secretary slamming, slightly abridged Sara, wei re leased at the conclusion of a news conference last Tuesday. of recent progress in the Indian health program covering improve ments in health and medical serv ices in 25 States to the 385.000 American Indian and Alaska na tive beneficiaries. This report traces health trends since 1954, immediately prior to the transfer of the program to the Public Health Service in 1955, through facts and figures avail able in the closing quarter of 1958. Here are some of the highlights: • Tuberculosis, once the leading cause of death among Indians and Alaska natives, dropped a full 40 per cent among the Indians in the 4-year period ended with 1957. Among Alaska natives, the de crease was even greater—63 per cent in the same period. • New cases of tuberculosis have dropped 25 per cent among Indi ans and about 33 per cent among Alaska natives. • The Indian infant death rate has been reduced by 12 per cent. • The Indian death rate from diseases of the stomach and in testines came down by 26 per cent. Much Yet to Be Done In calling attention to progress since 1954, neither Dr. Burney nor I wish to give the impression that this country’s Indian health problems are solved. This is far from true, even with respect to tuberculosis. That disease still claims nearly four times more lives among American Indians than among the Nation's general population, and upwards of eight Firm Berlin Policy Paying Off, Returning Representative Says By SAMUEL S. STRATTON Representative from New York Berlin is a fantastic city. Four days there and I came away con vinced that the status quo can be beautiful. I returned not only impressed by the high degree of training of our troops in Ger many, but also by the obvious fact that the American policy of stand ing firm is the soundest possible policy and is in fact already pay ing dividends. There’s far less agitation about the Berlin crisis in Berlin than in Washington. But this calmness is no accident. It is based first on a conviction that America means what it says about standing firm. Already Berliners are convinced the May 27 deadline set by Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev will pass without anything unusual happening. That doesn’t mean that the Berlin crisis will be over. But it does mean that the firm United States position has already forced an adjustment in Soviet policy and has at the very least post poned any actual showdown. As far as Berliners are concerned every extra week of living success fully under Soviet pressure with out cracking is another step in the right direction. Also behind this unexpected calmness in Berlin, as we found, are some ‘of the finest fighting troops that America has stationed anywhere in the world. Essential 'Shield' We saw these troops, talked with them, and watched them carry out their combat maneuvers, not only the two battle groups located in side West Berlin, but also the five American divisions poised along the Iron Curtain line in West Germany and ready to go. if, as they say in Europe, “the balloon goes up.” These ground troops are per forming a highly essential func tion in West Germany as impor tant elements of our so-called NATO "shield.” Their job is to keep the .Soviets from overrun ning Germany in the event of war until we can bring our superior nuclear power to bear against an aggressor. I came back from Berlin just a bit concerned about what the cur rent efforts to economize in the field of national defense might do to those NATO shield forces. Certainly we can’t possibly permit any reduction in American forces in Western Germany now. what ever happens to over-all Army strengths. Many of us were frankly disturbed to learn that budget cutting at home already has forced some reduction in the regular training alerts and maneuvers of, these forces, which is, in my* judgment, considering the cir cumstances, a very dangerous brand of economy. Even our normal rotation policy has created some problems; for example, when a large number of trained soldiers wind up their two-year hitch to gether and move back home to civilian life. New men are moved in quickly to take their place, of course, but there is still an un comfortable delay before the unit as a whole can be brought back up to the same combat-ready pitch. For mrself, I’d feel a lot better, and I think some of our field com manders would too. if we had at least one and maybe two more American divisions in West Ger many as strategic reserve. If our ground forces are going to play any role in our defense picture. Europe is the place they are most likely to play it. Five American divisions, even highly trained, still THI SUNDAY STAR Writaylte, 0. C., SWay, April 12, I*s* /li SECRETARY FLEMMING Salutes medical men « times more Indians contract tu berculosis. The tuberculosis death rate among Alaska natives is more than 10 times greater than the national average. Health-problems among Ameri can Indians and Alaska natives still are unique and severe. Lan guage differences combined with limited understanding by’lndians of health and disease concepts still constitute obstacles of con siderable magnitude. Geographic and cultural isolation on some 250 Federal Indian reservations and in hundreds of native villages in Alaska, combined with an ex tremely low economic level, are serious handicaps in the provision of services. The health program operates over tremendous areas. Its hospi tal at Point Barrow, above the Arctic Circle, is the most north erly in the world. In this area, the Public Health Service had medi cal personnel who drive their own dog sleds and fly their own air planes. Recently, the first opera tion ever performed in Alaska involving the transplanting of a cornea was on a 16-year-old Es Representative Stratton, farmer Mayor of Schenectady, has just returned from a flying trip to Berlin. With nine other members of the Armed Services Com mittee, he went to get a first-hand look at the crisis areo. The Congress •man is unusually qualified to write this exclusive report for NANA. He is a military intelligence expert. A combat intelligence officer on the staff of Gen. Douglas MacArthur during World War 11, he was recalled to teach at the naval intelligence school during the Korean emergency. have their hands full facing 20 or 25 Soviet divisions. We need at least another reserve division to back up the forces already com mitted along the border. Our Dependents Overseas One question that bothered some of us when we left Washington for Berlin was the status of Amer ican dependents in that exposed outpost. Shouldn’t we perhaps evacuate them all well before the May 27 deadline? After talking with Army officers, men, and with many of the dependents them selves, I came away convinced it would be a mistake for us to un dertake any evacuation of Ameri can dependents, except as a last minute and extreme measure. In fact, I was amazed to find that there's almost no desire on the part of any of these people to return home. These folks are firmly convinced that the future of our country is closely bound up with holding onto this great free city. They wouldn’t want to be the first to betray any nervousness at carry ing out American overseas com mitments. If we were to begin to move back our dependents, this would be an immediate signal that Americans had decided the future of Berlin was hopeless, and that is one thing we certainly don’t intend to do. Actually. Berlin is more a war of nerves rather than a war of guns. That’s why I am so con vinced we can win just by stand ing firm on the status quo. And yet what about the future? Can we live with this kind of situation indefinitely? Even assuming that the West weathers the May 27 deadline, isn’t there always the chance of another crisis any time the Russians feel like crying “wolf”? You can get one clear-cut an ,« w'jm Pirab ijk lit i A f. .„. 'ai " ffiiraMM * ' - ' H \, t.-V< 5,i ’'v"'i!- ' _^*-*|^^^^^HK^2i- ; ■■ ■. ■ wr |KBHHK K I '* B JS| Kg§gf|H^H^Hj^^B^Bk - v t * t .''/?‘.55? 4 i , ?4,-,'■4-- HU, Jl«,jliSi *. IfflggSmgl t-. 4 ImHPH S nk v A-i SShR b m• ,• •, i * | 4,-ff,: ’ m ||gs * *jp jfgpß&jgk pr * REPRESENTATIVE STRATTON ~ Sees Progress in Berlin Situation. kimo girl in the Public Health Service hcapital at Anchorage. Distances, population disper sion, and absence of local water supplies pose severe obstacles for doctors, nurses, health educators, and sanitation personnel ih the Southwest. One PHS dental officer travels 10,000 miles a year treating his patients on the vast Navajo reservation, which covers an area the size of West Virginia. Con struction of an urgently needed new hospital for the Papagos on the Arizona desert was delayed for months because of difficulties in locating a water supply. Lack of Safe Wafer Gross and widespread environ mental sanitation problems— notably lack of safe water supply and overcrowded and inadequate housing—persist as the allies of excessive disease rates. These are problems which the Indians are generally unable to correct within their own economic resources. Substantial increases in funds for Indian health during recent years have enabled the Public Health Service to make inroads against critical disease problems. Trained professional staff mem bers. so vital to the success of a direct service operation such as the Indian health program, have been substationally increased in number. A good start has been made in eliminating the generally unsatisfactory condition of Indian health facilities and the shortage of modern medical equipment. Although Indian infant deathi dropped 12 per cent in the 4 years ended with 1957, the Public Health Service recognizes that the pres ent rate of 57 deaths per 1.000 live births is excessively high. In creasing numbers of Indian babies are born in the Service’s Indian hospitals, and e.s a result the In dian infant death rate in the first month of life now compares favor ably with that of the general pop ulation. However, because of un favorable environment, Indian in fants die at more than five times the rate for the population as a whole during the succeeding 1J months of life. swer to that question from th« youthful, able and highly impres sive Mayor of Berlin. Willy Brandt, We had an hour’s talk with him. Mayor Brandt says Berlin’s posi tion is anomalous, tied in econom ically, emotionally and (eventu ally, he hopes) politically, with West Germany 110 miles to the west. Yet he points out that there have been anomalous political situations like this before which have continued indefinitely. He points to Pakistan, divided into two sections on the continent of India If Pakistan can survive, he says, why not Berlin? Indeed, one thing that keeps Berlin alive today is the hope that some day she will again be the capital of Germany. Patience Is Needed But perhaps the best answer of all to this question of the future of West Berlin came from an American officer stationed there. He put it to me this way; “Let’s not get impatient and feel that we’ve got to find overnight some neat and simple and easy solution to this Berlin problem. These ap parently neat solutions, arrived at around the conference table with the Soviets, can often spell disaster. Maybe we’ve spent too much time reading those fairy stories where people get jot® trouble, then somehow resolve the troubles, and everybody lives hap pily ever afterward. _ . “That isn’t the way life goes these days." my officer friend went on. “We can’t expect to live hap pily ever after in today’s world. Were going to be facing Com munist tensions and pressures for a long time to come. Our job is not to try to find some easy, fairy land solution that will let us .‘live happily ever after,’ but rather, to prepare to live with the tensions and pressures of this real world of ours without letting them get us down.” . , I think my officer friend .was right as we talked that last night in Berlin. The Russians are bet ting we can’t stand the heat. But when you’ve seen Berlin, as we saw it, you know in your heart that we can’t possibly abandon this fantastically attractive out post of freedom 110 miles inside the Iron Curtain and continue to hold up our heads. If Berlin ever goes, then Western Europe goes with it. I’m convinced of that. (North American Newapaper Alliance) C-3