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suit With Executive Com
mittee on Situation.
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Special Cable to Thb Nxw Yoik Hmur.D.
| Copyright, !??/, by The New Yoiuc Hmui.o.
Dublin, Aug. 23.?There were two
important developments in the Irish
situation to-day. Important messages
have been received through private
envoys of Premier Lloyd George, and
; the Dail Eireunn met with the Sinn
Fein Executive Committee.
The greatest secrecy is being main
tained as to what the latest represen
tations from Downing Street were, of
ficials refusing even to admit that any
new communication had been received.
That is probably within the strict
bounds of truth, for the messages re
ceived were in the guise of most in
foroaJ, though authoritative, indica
tions of what course will help Premier
Lloyd George in effectuating an Irish
settlement with ills own Parliament.
If the Doll EIreann leaders act there
will be no excuse that they acted
blindly. They are being kept in close
touch with events political and other
wise. The meeting of most Members
of the Dail Eireann and the Ministry
with the Sinn Fein executive committee
is considered generally to be hopeful,
despite the fact that the executive com
mittee, which Is the Sinn Fein political
organization, may be said to represent
tho extreme as well as the irresponsible
Irish sentiment. But it also represents
the element upon which the real and ter
rible burden will fall if the truce
The guoss is made shrewdly here
that Michael Collins, commander of the
Irl3h Republican army, and others favor
a settlement honorable to Ireland and
that the district leaders throughout the
country feel the same way. In authori
tative circles there is little doubt as to
whero Michael Collins stande.
Eamon de Valera, Arthur Griffith and
other leaders during tho adjournment of
the Dnll Elreann sat with the political
leaders, and as far ns can be learned
the meeting was harmonious, many
member* from all parts of Ireland and
Art O'Brien and other delegates from
Great Britain expressing a desire that
the party support the Cabinet.
Some of the members asked questions,
but stated after the meeting that there
was nothing the ministers could an
swer without political embarrassment.
There Is little irore likelihood that the
flail Elreann will hurry Its considera
tion of the peace proposals, and it is
possible that tho final answer to Uoyd
George may bo delayed over the week
end, particularly as both sides desire
the result to be given out simultaneously
. in Dublin and I^ondon, and ldoyd
George has promised to be away Friday
and Saturday to attend the wedding of
Sir William Sutherland, for years his
confidential secretary and henchman,
who will be married In Scotland.
Dnll Meet* Aun In To-morrow.
By the Aeenciatcd Prtee.
Dl*bmn, Aug. 23?Of two meetings
| held at Mansion House to-day, that of
J the Dall Elreann, to which the proposed
I reply of the Cabinet to tho British Gcv
[ ernment's peace offer was communi
J catcd, and that of the Sinn Fein exeeu
' ttve committee, the latter was consld
| ered the more Important, and It Is
thought probable to-night that ;t was to
give the Dall Elreann further time to
j consider the Cabinet's reply that an ad
journment of the Parliament over
Wednesday was ta"ken after It had fln
I lshed consideration of departmental re
! ports and other business.
The Dall Elreann now Is faced with
the task of dealing with the Cabinet's
| reply, and It is considered it cannot de
lay its answer much longer. When it
reassembles Thursday, again in private
session, it Is likely to have before it
some report from the Sinn Fein execu
tive committee, or at least It Is believed
the lenders will know what the execu
tive committee thinks of the situation.
The executive committee Is composed
of representatives from every county and
Is the governing body of all the Sinn
Fein clubs In Ireland. In consulting It
t#e Dall Eireann considers It is dealing
with those who elected it.
The publicity department of the Dall
Elreann thl* evening Issued the following
statement concerning to-day's session of
the Parliament.
"The Dall Elreann continued to-day to
?It in private. The peace prcg>oeals again
were discussed, and ft proposed reply of
the President and the Ministry to the
last letter of the British Premier was
communicated to the Dail. Considera
tion of departmental reports wns re
sumed and concluded and other business
whs discussed. The Dall adjourned at
6 o'clock until Thursday, when the sit
ting again will be private."
Illatiop Mulhern's Visit.
Only the inner circles of the Sinn
Fein and a few Dublin people thus far
have knowledge of the visit last night
,*>f Mgr. Mulhern, Bishop of Dromore,
to Mr. de Valera, but among those
aware of It, aside from the few who
may be assumed to have definite knowl
edge. animated rtlunisslon was still in
progress to-day as to the source of Mgr.
Mulhern's message. Despite tho fact
that it bad been declared In some quar
ters that Cardinal Dogue had not sent
the messenger, it was pointed out by
others that Mgr. Mulhern would be the
natural messenger for Cardinal Loflfie.
as his scat as Bishop of Dromore at
Newry Is only fifteen miles from Car- |
lingford, where Cardinal Logue Is stay- j
Should the Cardinal, It was argued, i
receive a message for transmission or i
decide It was time himself to take o step 1
toward peace, he would In ordinary |
course select the nearest bishop to act j
as Intermediary.
Cardinal I.ogue lias been a consistent i
opponent of violence In Ireland, and has
even gone so far as (o condemn the de
struction of goods under the boycott.
F,Y-AR( lint KK AnnrSTEP,
Special Coble to Tub New Yobk Hmuid.
Cnpyripht, 19tt, by Tub Nkw Yobk Ubrai.i>.
Vienna, Aug. 2S.?Former Archduke
Ralvstor Renter and his broth-r-In-law,
namod Nlkmallcj!, were arrested while
passing thinugh Lalbach, Jugo-Mavla,
for the alleged use of false passport*.
Mrs. Douglas Robinson, Sister of President Roosevelt,
at Cornerstone Laying of New Bridge Thanks
City for Naming It After Brother.
By the Associated Press.
Chateau Th.'errt, France, Aug. 23.?
! The American Legion delegation found
a hotnecoming welcome to-day when
: they returned to Chateau Thierry, made
1 famous by their feats of valor against the
i Germans In the world war. Entire fam
| Lies trudged miles to meet the train on
| which the Americans arrived.
Many of the French people inquired
| for American soldiers they had known
, during the war and gave members of
? the delegation letters to carry back to
i men whose addresses they did not know.
' Numerous children brought flowers for
| "their American," hoping that he tva*
; among the party. It was more a family
| reunion than an official function.
The entire population of the region
Continued from first Pope.
were shipped from Riga last Saturday to
the Petrograd district and 2,000 tons to
the Moscow district.
Thirty <mployees of the relief adminis
tration will leave Riga Thursday for
various part of Russia, some going to
Moscow, the Volga Valley and the Black
Sea district and one group going to the
Petrograd district.
The relief administration plana to as
sist In alleviating famine conditions in
Russia also by extendng operations
across the Polish frontier.
While Poland Is starving, Germany
appears to bo the most prosperous and
we'd fed country In Europe, according to
Frederick L. Thompson, inspector for
the Hoover American Relief, who re
turned Monday on the France by way
of Warsaw, Berlin and lamdon.
' "Nowhere In Europe did I see food
! so plentiful as on the dining pars on the
| German trains," Mr. Thompson aaiJ yes
terday. "Germany looks as if sue had
won the war. Factories are running full
i blast. Tho onlv dearth Is scarcity of
; oat tie."
j Mr. Thompson said 1,500,000 refugees
! are returning to eastern Poland from
I Russia. There is a report that the Bol
i slievlki have ordered all non-residents
; out of Russia and starving peasants arc
pouring into Brest-iLitovsk at the rate
of 2,000 a day. The American Relief Is
feeding 1,200,000 children, ho said. It
ij the only help Poland is ge'flng.
Paris Police Unable to Find
Solution of Mystery.
Special Cable to Tub New Yobk Htaut.P.
Copyright, 1021, by Tub N'iw York Hbimi u.
New York llcrnlil Itiireau. )
Purls. An*. 83. )
The Paris female Quldensuppe ease
still is as great a mystery as ever, the j
poller not yet having succeeded In re
covering the woman's head from the j
Seine, while the torso, legs and arms, 1
; which were discovered separately, do 1
not give any special clues likely to lead I
to Identification.
Hospital experts declare that the am
putation of the members was so sclenti
i flcally performed that it must have
been the work of a surgeon, a medical
! student or an experienced butcher. The
latter thesis is being followed by the
police to-day, as they havo been in
formed that tho twenty-year-old laugh
i tor of a latvilly at Cholay-le-ttoi, near
! where tho hoov was found. Iial not
corresponded with the family fo- sev
eral wuoki,
j The police believe that she may have
I been attacked while on her way to
visit ner pa rents by some member of
an Arab tent colony near by and me
pointing ou- that the average Arab is a
'capable butcher, able to quarter an ani
: mal with remarkable precision.
BRITAIN HAS 42,767,530;
India, 319,075,132; South
Africa, 1,521,635.
By the Asaoctated l'reae.
Lo.vdo.v. Aug. 23.?The population of
England. Wales and Scotland, accoiding
to the now census made public to-day,
Is 42,767,530, as against 40.831,396 in
1911, representing an Increase of 1,986,
134, or 4.7 per cent. Greater London's
; population is 7.476,160, an Increase of
| 3.1 per cent. By countries the popula
tion is: England, 35,678,530; Wales,
i 2.206,712; Scotland, ? 4,882.283. The
; census shows that there arc 20,430,623
1 males and 22,336,907 females, an in
crease of 676,176 males and I,2"i9,958
Because of the disturbed conditions in
Ireland no census figures were coniplleJ
there. The population of British islands
adjacent to the kingdom is 299,704.
The population of the Indian Empire
is 319,075,132, an Increase of 1.2 per
cent,; of tho Union of .South Africa,
Europeans only, 1,521,885, an increase
of 19.2 per cent.; of Australia, 'xcltialng
! full blooded Aborigines, 6.426.00R. an
1 increase of 21.8 per cent., and of New
Zealand, excluding the Mao-ts. 1,218,
270, an incrcas f 20.8 per cent.
Interferes in Quarrel and
Shoots When Attacked.
,"4vn Skuastian, Spain, Aug.. 23.
J Michael Manning, 32, was killed, and I
! Chester Wilkinson, 36, was badly wound- I
j ed by a policeman hero Sunday evening,
j according to the newspapers to-day.
I Tho men. both of New York, were sailors
j on the American steamer Cook, which
I is lying st ,Los Pasnjes, near here,
j They attended the hull fights Sunday,
after which they desired to return to
their ship in a motor car. They quar
reled with the chauffeur nnd a police
man Interfered. It is alleged the sailors
attacked the policeman, who killed Man
ning with his revolver nnd severely
wounded Wilkinson.
M oynlln Unr.nnr deferred Until
\eit Year.
Rpeciof Cable to The New bin Jlmut.tv
Copyright. 1921, by The New York Untutn.
brnt.iN, Aug. 23.? Moyalla Bazaar,
one of the biggest fairs In the west of
Ireland, which was to have been held at
Bnlllnn, County Mayo, Ireland, last
week, hr, a been postponed until nex'
year owing ii the unsettled conditions
of the country. The hniaar Is held un
der the auspices of the Rev. It. N.nugh
ton. Lord Bishop of Kiliala.
LOJTOON, Aug. 73.?Marigold France',
the three year old daughter of Winston
Kpencer Churchill, Secretary for tho
Colonies, died to-night at Broadstalrs.
attended the laying of the cornerstone
of the Roosevelt Bridge, Uuilt to replace
the bridge tSte Germans destroyed when
the Americans drove them front the
town. Mrs. Douglas Robinson, sister of
the late President Roosevelt, thanked
the municipality of Chateu Thierry in
the name of the Roosevelt family for
naming the bridge after the late Presi
dent and his son Qtientin, who was
k lled In action in Prance. The prin
cipal dock was christened "Qua! du Col.
Galbralt'h,'" in memory of the former na
tional commander of the American
The American delegation returned to
Taris to-night and to-morrow will have
to themselves their first free day since
they landed In P'ranee.
Continued from First I'me.
Friedrieh Rosen, German Foreign .Min
ister, over the terms of the peace treaty
wltii the United States. In well in
formed circles In Berlin It was stated
that their decision will conform to the
general lines of the Knox-Porter peace
resolution in the United States Ratifi
cation of peace in general terms, it Is
now believed, will precede a detuiled
peace agreement.
The Germans declared positively they
would refuse to make another recog
nition of their war guilt.
German industrial circles hoped that
German patents would be returned by
the United States, and now protests are
being heard because of reports that this
is most improbable.
German diplomatists admitted to The
New York Herald correspondent that
they would have a hard time "selling"
tills treaty to German public opinion, al
though they agreed that the advantages
derived from a resumption of peace rela
tions with the I'nited States outweigh
alt particular considerations.
Dr. Wilheim Cuno, president of the
Hamburg-American Steamship Com
pany, is prominently mentioned here in
connection with the appointment of a
new German Ambassador to the United
States. A director of the Hamburg
American Lino said, however, that he
| had previously declined this appoint
If Lloyd George and Briaud
Art* ?it Conference He
Ma v Join.
B.i< 'tie Asioriatrii Press.
Tokio, Aug. 2S.?Premier JJara, whose
growing hold on the political situation
has caused the .Japanese to compare him
with Premier Lloyd George of Great
Hritain, remains adamant on the tiues
ilon of disclosing the names of Japan's
ri( legates to the Washington conference
The Premier, it Is declared, will await
the return of Crown Prince Hirohito
ficm his European tour and of Viscount
| Chlnda, who Is with the Prince, so as
! to consult them in the matter.
All kinds of probabilities have been
j advanced, one of them that efforts will
i be made to induce Viscount Chlnda to
head the Washington delegation, but as
It is likely Viscount Chlnda may be
fatigued from the Kuropean tour he
' may decide not to undertake the trip to
' Washington.
If Mr. Lloyd George and Premier
Hrland "of Fiance definitely decide to
go to Washington It Is declared that
! Premier Hara may go for a fortnight,
Iso as to make the circle of Premiers
| complete. Should neither Premier Hara
'nor Viscount Chlnda go to the confer
ence tt Is considered almost a certainty
' that Viscount Uehlda, the Minl.iter of
| Foreign Affairs, will head the Japanese
' mission.
Among the likely candidates men
| tioned for places with the mission are
1 Admiral Kato, Minister of Marine; Vis
count Ishll, the Ambassador to F.ance;
j Huron Hayashl, Ambassador to Great
! Britain, and Baron Shldehara, Anibas
, rador to the i'nited Stntep.
Admiral Baron llriu is prominently
1 talked of as a substitute for Admiral
| Kn to, while Viscount Kaneko'a fi lends
I ore advocating his nomination as a rep.
' reselltative of the Privy Council, an I
! n'?o because of his familiarity with
I American affairs as president of tfcs
I American-Japan Society.
Baron Goto, former Foreign Mirlster:
Viscount I to and former Premier Yama
moto are mentioned as "dark horses."
The Asahi BMmbun claims tho army
is opjrosed to the mov? to make Baron
Koretivo Takahashi, Minister of Flinnce,
one of the delegates because he i 'cently
publicly urged abolishment of the Gen
eral Staff on account of Its Interference
with public affairs.
Negotiations With U. S. An'
nounced in Budapest.
BrPArKST. Aug. 23.?Negotiations for
a sepcratc peace treaty b< tween Hun
gary and the United States have been
begun. Foreign Minister Banff,y an
nounced to-day. Grant Smith. American
High Commissioner In Budapest, Is act
ing for the United States.
A Budn,nest despatch on August 13 an
nounced fhe unanimous approval by the
Hungarian Assembly of the peace reso
lution of the United States Senate.
Speaking for I . S? Lodge
Says Plan Wouhl Be
Bad Planners.
Harrison, Who Accuses G.
0. P. of Favoring Secrecy,
Withdraws Amendment.
American Delegation Likely to
R.e All Men. Women on
Advisory Committees.
Special Dispatch to Tub New VoaK Hbsai.d.
New York Herald Unread. (
Washington. I?. ( .. Aug. S3. I
The attitude of the United States re
garding the degree of publicity that
shall prevail ;it the approaching con
ference on limitation of armament was
indicated to-day by action of tlie Sen
ate and by unofficial expressions of the
Administration officials. This country
wants as much publicity as is com
patible with practicability and good
common sense.
This position will be maintained
throughout the conference, with a con
current recognition that the confer
ence itself will determine its own rules
of procedure.
The Senate fight for complete pub
licity came to a sudden end to-day.
when Senator Harrison (Miss.) with
drew his amendment, which provided
full publicity should be given to con
ference proceedings.
The debate In the Senate brought
forth a clear enunciation of the prin
ciples of the situation by Senator Hodge,
! who Is assumed to have voiced the nt
J titude of th; Administration. He said
j the Harrison publicity amendment
\ would be "futile bad manners." as the
1 conference of nations would Itself de
I termine the degree of publicity that
, should be given to its activities. To as
\ sumo that all questions arising at the
j conference were to be discussed In tlie
! open was ridiculous, lie held. He said he
; favored as much publicity as possible,
' but recognized that much ivould occur
| at the conference that would be tenta
j tive In character and would have to be
I discussed In private.
A in on il iii<-lit 11 Withdrawn.
Just before the vote wai to have been
taken Senator Harrison withdrew ilie
amendment, with the explanation that
I he did not wish to embarrass the Presi- j
j dent at this time. An appropriation of
; $200,000 for the expenses of the con
| fere nee was then passed without the
Politics had entered into the situation j
The Democratic side was endeavoring
to put the Republican majority In the
position of seeming to favor aerrecy in
the discussions. Senator Harrison,
while withdrawing his amendment, said j
he would offer the same idea in the
form of a resoluilon and would seel;
to obtain a record vote on the question.
Senator Borah, Idaho, spoke in sup
port of the Idea contained In the liar- |
rlson resolution, while Senator Watson,
Democrat (Ga.), supported the position
taken l>y Senator IxiUge.
Senator Dodge showed that secret
treaties were impossible so far as this
Government is concerned because of the
necessity of securing ratification by the
Senate. Referring directly to the ques
tion presented by Senator Harrison's
amendment, he said:
i "President Wilson, who had a great
1 capacity in making striking phrases.
| us?d the phrase 'open covenants openly
\ arrived at,' and it gave an impression
| that everything In Paris was to be done
011 the sidewalk. When he came to
Paris of course he had to deal wlr.i
some thirty other Powers, each having
I one vote. They referred certain ques
tions to committees. The Senator from
Idaho, Mr. Borah, I do not think stated
it quite accurately when he said 'secret
'conferences.' The conference of all th"
Powers was always open, so far as t
cmo.nber. and I do not think they had
' more than tw 0 or three meetings with
: all the Powers at any time.
Ten on Committee nt First.
' The treaty emanated from a com- I
m it tec, and the most powerful commit- \
tee was that whicli first consisted of ten
persons, then was known in thp lan
guage of the press as tho Rig Fix. then
the Big Four, nnd I think It even got 1
down to the Big Thtee at one time. The
meetings of that conference were secret. ,
It was impossible that there should not
he a certain amount of conversations,
if you choose to call them that, which j
were secret nnd not cairled on in pub- ;
"Where the President was Justly critl- |
I el?ed was not because he met In cotn
mltt e to consider these things, hut he- i
? ause the press was censored Bnd the
news from this country was not allowed
to go into Paris, so far as it could b?
stopped, and the news from Paris was
not allowed to come here.
"lie was criticised, and Justly criti
cised, because after the treaty was made
'and was before the Senate, nnd the Sen
ate had to act. even then we were not
allowed to know what happened ; to us
I was refused all Information until the
i qu? >Hon of Yap arose, a year or so af- ?
terward, and then the President sent in j
the notes end records of certain of the I
meetings of the committee (If you choose |
to call it so) which made the treaty 1
to the Committee on Foreign Relations
"Tho practice of every committee In
flu's body .and In every parliamentary '
body in the world, when they are fram
ing o bill, is to frame It behind closed
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bills it cons! lets Ik to expect something
impracticable and impossible."
It was Intimated from official source-,
to-day that the American delegation t>
likely to be made up wholly of men.
The President Is anxious, however, to
recognize the keen Interest which women
have in reduction of armament. There
probably will be important advisory
committees, on which women will be
represented. It Is also probable that
labor will be fully represented.
Captors Refuse Surrender and
Reprisals Are Expected.
Bji thr A.iaoriatid Press.
Constantinople. Aug. 23.? \ British
airplane, which was making .1 practice
flight on Saturday last, was brought
down within the Turkish lines, tlilrty
flve miles southeast of Ismkl. Its pilot
and observer were made prisoners. The
Turks declared the flight was proof that
the British were assisting the Creeks.
As the Turks are refusing to liberate
I the pilot and observer the British a'e
i expected here to make repri n's against
the Turks. British warships have been
I despatched to the Black Sea.
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THE boiler or furnace that
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$1350 Gray Squirrel V/iap, at $875
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$125 to $200 Sit t>D OO
Street and Costume Suits
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$150 to $325 at OO 80
Day Coats, Capes and Wraps
Formerly sold from , $7 El $QC,
$125 to $295 aL 33
Tailored and Handmade Blouses
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Stunning effects in the early Autumn modes designed in our own workrooms,
from reserve materials.
Ostrich Feather Fans Formerly to $75. at s20
Black, white, delicate and vivid shade* to correspond with the Summer or Autumn Evening
Costume, with handles of real ahell, amber and pearl.
A limited group of Higher-Cost Feather Fans in odd sizes
and shapes Formerly to $150 .. .at ^65
Costume Jewelry Our entire beautiful collection of
remaining novelties, such as Necklaces, Novelty Chains,
Earrings and Pendants of amber, jade, coral, Whitby jet
and lapis, are being offered at less than half former prices.

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