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LADY ASTOR TALKS
DRESS AND POLITICS
r
Warns of Bonus Danger;
Says Flappers Should Be
Slapped; Hates Knickers.
KEEN FOR PROHIBITION
Says Lloyd George's Future
Depends on Genoa; De
nounces Hearst.
JJARGOT NOT ?PROMINENT
'Eepington Speaks for Self
Alone'; No Money for
Irish Fighters.
Lloyd George's political future de
pends upon his success in the Genoa
conference; flappers are a pest and
should be slapped; the bonu3 for sol
diers Is a dangerous and a bad thing
and shouldn't be given; women ought
never to overdress on the streets;
''knickers" aro an abomination?and
one of the greatest things that has
happened in tho world is that the
United States has prohibition.
Thfse are a few, only a few, of the
opinions expressed by Lady Astor in
a running fire, gatlins gun interview
to which she submitted for moro than
an hour yesterday at the residence of
her sister, Mrs. Charles Dana Gibson,
127 East Seventy-third street. With
rare good humor she answered serious
and foolish questions?and seemed to
enjoy every minu'.e of it.
Perhaps that keen interest t* every
thing about her and everything eh'" does
is tho dominating characteristic of thla
woman of vim and vigor who came from
Virginia soil to be the first woman mem
ber of the British Parliament.
Fartt Forty Qnratlonrri.
Tear is something which Lady Astor
knows not. She said in her speech
Thursday night she pitied people who
hate and fear, and in her two formal
addresses and her Interview there was
no sign she feared man or beast. It is
a rare and Inspiring thing to see one In
politics drive through all subjects with
bo little regard for consequences.
TUer^ were forty or more newspaper
men and women and a score of camera
men in the interviewing squad. So many
requests for personal Interviews had
been received that she decided to take
thorn all in one dose, but she threw tip
her hands when i.be half hundred writ
ers opened flro.
"T em opposed to easy divorce and
easy marriage." Lady Astor said, an
swering questions. "Women ire far bet
ter off In countries wh'ch recognize
marriage laws and observe them,. Easy
divorce never helped Women BI' the long
run."
"So, bobbed hair doesn't make any
special hit with me?but I know if I
v ere IS mine would be bobb'vL"
Asked about Lloyd Oeorge and hie
politics! future, she became thoughtful
and after a pause said:
"It all depends on <?enoa: the outcome
Of the elections In Encland will depend
on the conference. If Lloyd George
makes a success of it he will'win. I
1 no* he never will b?- a reactions rv.
Tt! heart U with the great mess of the
people."
T.ady At tor met the Interviewers in a
draw 'i? rootn on th? witnml fl? or of tfc"
Gibson residence. was 4r?e*ed In
bt, serge and !;ie r?nplc dressing of
>.er lialr carried a suggestion of the old
fashioned Virginia style of '-oiffure. She
wore a rope of pearls which she pulled
and yanked and toyed with nervously
moat of the time s>ie was answering
questions. tfh* stood and paced in tho
little semicircle v idle sho talked.
Of the bonus she said:
IliiBKrr or lionna.
"Oh. that?I uupnoae I shouldn't |
meddle in political issues. But look;
out for the bonu?. It> danfteroua 1 i
bellevo In doing evervthlng possible for
the wounded and disabled men. You
cannot do too much for them. Olve
them work. Those who w e*e not
wounded ought to bo willing to take
a Job like other men.
"Your young men ought not to be
paid fcr flKhtlnvr for their counlrv.
Tlon't give tliem charity of anv kind
T remember the gen Tons anard made
to the Grand Army of the K<piiblic,
which taxes us Southerners heavily to
riv men who never foiurht in < he
civil war. Don't saddle ycursel-vs with
eno'.lier Grand Army. T am opposed to
nny bonus, but cari well for the
Wounded."
Then came prohibition.
"You had bettor th.tn'c God you have
Cot rid of drink," the Vlscounte-i sold
"But we haven't."
"If the rich want to drink they onlj i
harm themselves. T am thinking of
the people who are not ri'-h. I am
thinking of the children."
"What do you think of having beer
and light wines?"'
"They may not be rolling around In
France, but T have seen as mc.iiy people
who had (oo murh to drink in France
at anywhere In the world. Beer drink
ing In Germany dulled the brains of
the people. nnd anything that iloei that
la bad for the nation.
tf nny one thinks the American p?o
ple want to have the prohlMtlwft law
rt.anred put It to a 'Ote nnd I think
you would find you would not get
drink bark ncain. I etn a irreat be
liever In pulling thlr.es to a vote, for
T have real fnith in democracy, al
though I find few democrats. My hns
band Is on? of the few real <leinocrais
1 ever have known."
"But <U niO' rucies made terrible mis
takes, too." it was observed.
"Crashing mistakes, bul they learn. |
and It Is better In the end."
?\Varns of f*reJn?llocs.
Rome one sought T^ady Astor'g views
on rewriting American history, telling
her of reccnt actlvlti. a here along that
line.
"Prejudices In school history hooka
are most unfortunate," she said. "I
?would not leach niv children a thing to
prejudice them amlnst Germans, Look
what rdU'iitlon doe.<. In two yen-ra
tions It changed Germany, and in about
the '<Hme tlnip has brought Japan from
a nedinv'ii country to a modern on*."
"A Catholic or7ani?stl?n I* said to b?
Interested In this discussion nil school
histories." a reporter remarked.
"That'a a pity. It Is very wr'uig when j
politics get Into religion, but It is right'
fa take religion Into politic*. One thing
f"tti? foreigners should remember ia tthat j
America wau founded by l'iote?tanla? I
S)
who were liberal and welcomed all re
ligion* on equal terms."
"But not all the founders were Protes
tant*."
"Vo. there was a Lord Baltimore. But
Virginia anil Massachusetts were colo- I
niiced long befora Maryland, and I can't |
remember any other Catholic. But be ;
careful about that. Remember I have
the greatest respect for Catholics and i
all religions."
The only harsh note, what she termed i
unpleasant note, in her long interview
was a referenoe to the Hearst newspa
pers, wtiich she denounced for steady
and studied expression of prejudice and
unfair statements about England. She
referred to it as the "filthy Hearst press."
which, ehe said, is constantly charging
England with bullying the other nations,
with treating Oermany unfairly, -when
the truth is, she said, no country is do
ing as much to help Oermany as is Eng
land. Only to-day. she said, st?c read a |
Hearst editorial which was totally un
fair. and she ended by earing it was un-!
fortunate such a disagreeable subject
had come up, but It was difficult to re- |
main silent when such unfairness was
being done, adding that England was not 1
trying to crush any one.
Father Had $100 a Month.
"What can- women do to help that |
world program for pcace and general |
welfare that you have suggested in your,
speeches?" she was asked.
"Teach their children to love God."
"And what can men do?"
"GHve women a chance."
"But can women in moderate circum- [
stances havo children and at the samej
time go into politics?"
"Moderate circumstances? My father!
had eleven children, yet he had only
$100 a month when he married. You
have to sacrifice for children, but the .
Joy makc3 the sacrifice wortti while.1
Women must take an Interest in politics!
fcr others. I'm thinking of other homes !
and other children besides my own, and |
that's why I'm in politics. There art:
1.000 roforms that women can bring
about."
Several times the women reporters;
bad tried to find out what Lady Aatorj
thought about dress. They persisted.
"If you want to know what I think
about dress." she finally conceded. "II
like people dressed neat and attractive?,
I like pretty clothes. But there's noth
ing more Incongruous than to seo women \
dressed conspicuously for the street. It
does harm too. Girls who see them
are envious and there's no doubt many
a girl has gone astray because *he
wanted to have clothes like those she's I
seen on the street.
"Responsible women should dress I
quietly for the street. It seems to mo.
Then if they have all thin wonderful
taste you hear about, which must be
expressed in dress, let them wear their
striking clothes in tho house and not
upset others."
"How about 'knickers'?"
"I hato them." she replied. "They're
too ugly. Women aren't built for them.
Bobbed hair l*n't very pretty either,
but If I was IS I'd havo it."
"In England women do not appear on
public platform* as speakers in evening
dress," sho added.
Jlargot Not "rromlneut."
Some one asked about Ireland.
"If Ireland would only forget her
ancient wrongs," said Lady Astor, "if
she would look forward and not back
ward, she'd get on. If I were an
Irish-American, I wouldn't send a cent
over to them to flight each other with,
but if they'd make peace, I'd help them
all I could."
"You wouldn't ,">eak about Margot
Asquitli the other day. Do you care
to now?"
"No. dear," Lad' Astor replied.
l^ater ton.?, one asked if the anti
British f*?slin? which sometimes crops
out in this country is not somewhat
due to the statements of prominent
English people who visit the United
Utates. Lady Astor said;
"What prominent persons?"
"Mrs. Asqulth," was the reply.
"If some on* came out of Blomingdale
and said disagreeable things about Eng
land I wouldn't notice them," she said.
"Col. Replngton." another suggested.
"Neither may be called prominent,"
said Lady Astor. "They only represent
themselves. I've never heard really re
sponsible English people speak in a de
rogatory way of this country."
The reporter from Texas who first at
tracted Lady Astor's attention on the
steamer when -she arrived by his drawl
ing Southern voice Interrupted her when
she was saying the really was a Zionist
nnd heartily in. favor of the Palestine
movement. A Jewish reporter had be^n
CLARKE'S
ART GALLERIES
44 East 58th Street
ON VIEW TO-DAY
i 11A.M.
Su~da? yr>-T---ir^sai to
iByR^St^ 4 P.M.
THF c-ia
CELEBRATED COLLECTION 7
Sir Algernon Oliphant
BART.,
of Worcester, England
; and In addition other Art properties.
ANTIQUE FURNITURE
and WORKS OF ART
Oak Furniture
of the Elizabethan, Jacobeen snd
Carolean I'erlods; Court Cupboards,
I Marriage Chestr, IWeotory Tablas.
Chairs, Oatelei? T*''i??.
1 Walnut Furniture
I of th? Stuart ar.d Queen Anne
Periods.
Georgian Mahogany
| Time lante Needlework 8ett"os
wph Mi-lr 'original coverings, the
HooklmU l>lnln? Room Hitltei fr.itn
Jiord ATeourt's, th< Wansti ad I'ark
I Oeorglsri tloekrase, the Queen Anu?
Carro??crl? Pane!*.
Chnrlra II. IteJI Metal Mii?pension?.
French Furniture
of the Uwli 'Jillnze, Louis Seize
Slid IMteetnlru l'?rlod?, InepidlriK a
Secretaire by Hnlchod, two pier,.*
by th? ei-lehrated "M V. it. II ."
Ulrondolc". Clo<'k?, ''r.vntal Hu?pen
s Ion -. C< lllncs by lmrrei ?n<J Mar
guerite <;.rai<l. Painting* by four
fatnou* 'Jeorglan women.
Two HARPSICHORDS
by Jolm tine* iimi Andrae* Kiukrr*.
Only W hy lli>v nttiker* known.
1'flRCEI.AIN'S?TKXTILKH?(I.OtKli
The Montrsqulon llelimriu*, Trnllu*
de Cry!* II inline nnd the M illil
TAVESTRIES
nr.d f I'orfmlt of
rcorp<? WVshinstcn
by tiilbeit Xiiiirt, hitherto unknown.
At Unrcitricted Public Sale
April 26-27-28-29
2:30 P. M.
talncue JI.OO,
asking about this subject when "Texas"
broke in.
"You shut up. Texas," Lady Astor said
playfully. "Waldorf," calling to her hus
band. "take this boy out of here if he
doesn't behave." She went 011; .
"You know I was a Colonel In the
war and I got the habit of ordering
people about and even pushing them
about at hospitals. I found myself even
pushing Mr. Balfour and sonoe of the
French notables about one day. 'Get
out of here!' X said. Naturally fhey were
surprised."
"I notice you call him 'Mr.' Balfour,"
said a reporter. "Why did he take the
title?"
"The terribly hard work that he had
done was getting to be too much for
him. .Sn<'tiU>*hnes!S had nothing to do
with it. He's. on a plane above that.
And nobody in h*s right mind would
really prefer to go to the upper house,
would he. me Lord?" She called to her
husband
As a final flash she paid her respects
to tho f.-ipper:
"The flapper? Yes, the flapper;
Her mother ought to slap her."
Lady Astor spent tlio day mostly at'
home. She went for a walk in Central
Pari: in the afternoon, had dinner with
friends and spent the rest of the after
noon answering her mail. In the even- i
ing she went to see "The First Year." j
She 13 to leave this forenoon for Baltl- i
more. Evangeline .Booth of the Salva- |
tlon Army was a caller. Mr. and Mrs. i
George Algernon of Providence paid ai
visit and Mrs. Algernon recalled a "real |
scrap" she and Lady Astor had "when 1
tlicy were kids."
Mr. and Mrs. Lewis R. Thompson !
gave a luncheon at - Sherry's for Vis-!
count and Lady Astor. The other
guests were Mrs. Charles Dana Gibson,
Mrs. George B. Post. Jr.: Mrs. Henry
Worthington Bull. Mrs. Henry Hogers
Wlnthrop and Mr. William Trsvers
Jerome.
"DEVIL ANSE'S" SON DEAD.
WrtxtAMsoN, W. Va., April 21.?
Johnst Hatfield, son of the late "Dovi!
Ansa" Hatfield and an active partici
pant in the Hatfield-McCoy feud of
years ago. died in htg mountain cabin
at Wharncllffc, near here, late last
night.
When the feud was a I its height
Johnst, who was known as "Devil Anse's
right hand man" In the war on the Mc
Coys. was captured by Kentucky au
thorities in West Virginia and hurried
across the Tug- River. He was convicted
In Kentucky of the murder of .1 member
of the McCoy clan and served thirteen
years of a life sentence.
SEES UNION DISPUTES
ONLY AS TRADE RISK
Gompers Would Provide No
Redress for Contractors
Who Suffer Losses.
AGAIN ASSAILS JUDGES
! 'God Save Labor From the
Courts,' He Says, Opposing
Review of Decisions.
SPARS WITH tJNTERMYER!
I
Learns at Lockwoocl Hearing
281 Jobs Are Held Up by
Rivalry of Unions.
Samuel Gompers, president of the
American Federation of. Labor, told
the LocUwood housing committee at
the resumption of its public hearings
yesterday that as a matter, of prin
ciple there was no justification what- j
ever for any limitation on the mem
bership of a labor union. Then for
nearly three hours the veteran labor
leader defended such limitation in ac
tual practice. He was opposed to ex
pulsion from a union for any cause,
but admitted that tho constitutions of
most of the unions provided for such
action.
Mr. Gompers defended the limita
tion of apprentices on the ground of
"self-protection." Ho would not admit \
that the primary purpose wag to main
tain the supply of labor at a fere!
which would make easier the enforce
ment of labor's demands. At no time
and In no clrcumutanccs would Mr.
Qompera ffivo to the courts the right
; of review cf the decisions of labor
! unions. ?
"Qod save labor from the courts,' 'hj
j exclaimed at one point. "There is little
Justice for the poor or the laboring man
in the courts." The courts, he main
tained, still adhered to the old concep
tion of master ana servant, and although
j fair and impartial in cases between liti
gants of equal or nearly equal standing,
I Insisted they were unfair where labor
I was concerned.
While ho could rely on his own Judg
: ment, he said, there were other authori
ties, and he quoted ex-President Wilson.
Chief Justieo Taft, Klihu Root and the
Carnegie Foundation's report. Asked
to specify some particular work or ut
terance, Mr. Gompers referred' the com
mittee to Stimsou's "The Moral Over
strain."
Frequently there was nimble oral
fencing between Mr. Gompers and
Samuel Untermyer, counsel to the com
mittee. The latter took up Mr. Oonv
pers's reference to the master and
servant concept tie said was held by
the courts, and then asked why Mr.
Gompers objected to a Judicial review of
findings In a dispute between a unlor.
and an individual member. His answer
was that the courts would exercise their
poWer in such a case by helping to
weaken the effectiveness of a labor or
ganization.
"You are not a law-yer, are you?"
asked Mr. Untermyer, "You have a
better job?"
"I have one- that satisfies my con
science better."
'I am glad Mr. Gomper*." remarked
Mr. Untermyer, urbanely, "that I have
a better opinion of labor leaders than
you have of lawyers."
Mr. Gompers was adamant In his op
position to anything approaching judi
cial Interference with the decisions of
organized labor. He was aaked con
cerning jurisdictional disputes where
building jobsr were held up for long
periods because of the inability of labor
unions to settle their differences and
where the contractor suffered. Specifi
cally he was referred to the $80,000,001)
job on the Hell Gate Power House, and
Incidentally reminded that it was a
sorely needed public utility. Bccause
of a Jurisdictional dispute between the
steamfitters' and plumbers' uniens, both
members of the same international or
ganization, work has been held up since
last September.
"Isn't that scandalous?" asked Mr.
Untermyer.
?"It's deeply regrettable, but It's not
scandalous." replied the witness. "I
hold that the courts could not compel
these men to work."
"Do you think the contractor should
be without redress?"
"That is one of the risks of the in
dustry. The courts cannot give him
any redress. The courts cannot com
pel men to work, to perform a specific
duty, other than in prison or under
prison surveillance. Whether you give
them the power or not. It la not going
to make men work if they are not con
victed of a crime."
"But suppose you leave that to the
courts," suggested Mr. Untermyer.
"But I won't," exclaimed Mr. Gom
pers.
Mr. Oompers said that the National
Jurisdictional Board of American
Federation of Labor was functioning
efficiently in the settlement of Juris
dictional disputes and that with the
exception of the Hell Gate job and a
dispute between the sheet metal
workers snd the carpenters there were
no unsettled cases in the country. He
appeared surprised when informed that
the 1931 year book o^~ the Building
Trades Employers Association showed
281 such disputes between unions In
the building trades In New York city
alone.
The witness displayed scant sympathy
for contractors who might be the vic
tims of such Jurisdictional d.sputes.
With biting irony he declared:
"Honestly, my heart goes out in sym
pathy for the poor contractors. As an
unconscionable group they take the
cake. Of course there are exceptions."
In his attempt to justify practices he
himself disapproved of. such as the
limitation of membership and appren
tices, Mr. Oompers expounded the doc
trine of self-preservation and then
touched on Immigration and Its rela
tionship to unemployment. He said he
was offering an explanation, but not an
excuse.
"I urn the mildest mannered man that
ever cut a throat or scuttled a ship,"
said the witness, "but I should imagine
that if there were a million lawyers
who camo to the United States every
year we would soon hear from the law
yers on the subject."
The groundwork for Mr. Gompers's
examination on labor abuses, which will
be continued this morning, was laid In
the testimony of Eucrene Uintz of Jcr
soy City, August Holstrom. formerly of
Itobert P. Brlndell's dock builder*"
union, and several plumber*' helpers,
who told either of difficulty they ex
perienced Joining unions or of being ex
pelled, as L&ntz and Holstrom were,
because they made ^charges against
Brlndell, which the union declared to
bo unfounded and which they were un
able to have reviewed by the courts.
Tho anticipated rupturo between Mr.
Untermyer and Assemblyman Thomas A.
McWhinney, vice-atialrman of the com
mittee, did not materialize. Following
a private session, which Mr. MoWhln
ney did not attend, Mr. Untermyer read
this brief statement into the record:
Referring to various newspaper re
ports I desire to say that there la
entire harmony in the committee and
that it ha* not been charged by the
committee or its counsel that the
action of Mr. McWhinney in connec
tion with the bills at Albany, how
ever much we deprecate what some
of us regard as his lack of Judgment,
has been dictated by corrupt or un
worthy motives.
Mr. McWhinney got up, apparently to
speak, and then sat down. At the end
of the hearing he said he was satisfied
and Mr. Untermyer said there had been
no apology.
SEEK TRACE OF 2 VETERANS.
Eighty-second Division Hes Are
Thought to Be In Now York.
Tj. W. Do Motte of 65 Broadway, sec
retary of the Eighty-second Division As
sociation, Is trying to obtain information
on tho whereabouts and condition of
Parker T. Kltterman, formerly of Cora
pany K? j:6th infantry, and Wllllan
Oeralnt Smith, formerly of Meadquar
ters Company of the same regiment.
Kltternuiii. accord4ug to hla brothor
O. A. Jf'ttcrman of Sallna, Kan., re
malned in this city after his disoharf<
and lat^r wrote that he was going t<
Kansas for a few days. Sin^e the lettei
no trace has been found of him.
Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Smith of Provi
dence, Utah, have written that theli
son for a time was playing with ar
orchestra In White Plains and notlllec
them that he Intended to come home
EXCURSIONS
SUNDAYS, April 33, May 7 and flj
ATLANTIC CITY
$
3.60!
beave W. 23d 9t.,T:4S;
LIMrty St.. 8:00; Jack,
?on Ave., Jersey City,
? ;17 A. M.
PHILADELPHIA
$
3.00
l<eare W. 23d St.. 8:lt;
Liberty St.. 8:30: Jaek
*on Ave.. Jer?ey City,
S 31 A< M.
Ticket! good enly on epeclal train
May 14th LURAY, VA. $6.00
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ik? p?a
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An Unmismial Saturday "Special"
Three HModred Pieces of
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The kind of clothes one would seldom ever associate with
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WEST FORTY-SECOND STREET - and - WEST FORTY-THIRD STREET
600 pairs Men's Imported and
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Such excellent quality, smartly colored GOLF HOSE at this price is indeed
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.
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An EXTRAORDINARY SALE of
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