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THE DAILY PRESS Is the only newspaper In Newport News that receives the full Atta* elated Press report. VOL. XII. NO. 41 GROSS EXAMINATION = OF IS THAW BEGINS Jerome Paves Way Toward Throw? ing Searchlight Upon the Girl's Life. CHEERFUL AMD READY ANSWERS': Defense Sprung a Surprise by Recall-1 irtg Prisoner's Wife Yesterday and She Was en the tSand During the - ? I Greater Part of the Day?Continues With Her Story. (By Associated Press.) NEW YORK. Feb. 19.?Mrs. Eve? lyn Nesbit Thaw today entered upon the ordeal of her cross examination and before District Attorney Jerome had had the witness in charge for an hour he had secured from the court a ruling which apparently opens the way for the bringing into the trial of Hurry K. Thaw, ull flianncr of e.vl-. deuce which may tend to discredit the defendant's wife. Heretofore it has been held that the rules of evidence protected young Mrs. Thaw and that regardless of whether her story was trim or false, tho fact that she had told it to her husband was the one essential point. Mrs. Thaw had been allowed lo repeat the story so that the jury might judge as to its effect in unbalancing the mind of the man on trial for the murder of Stanford White. By a Simple Question. Mr. Jerome, by a simple question, opened the wny for the introduction of testimony tending lo show the truth or falsity of Mrs. Thaw's story. He asked the witness: "Was the story you told Mr. Thaw true?" "It was." she. replied firruly. Mr. Delmas, Thtjw's leading attor . ney^objected- strongly; .to .the"question, but Justlco Fltbgerald held it. to ho competent as tending to show the credibility of tho witness. Whether Mr. Jerome intends to take advantage of the ruling in an attempt to throw doubt upon the truth of the story or whether Justice Filzgerald intended his ruling to cover the whole subject of Mrs. Thaw's evidence, the future conduct of the case alone cau determine. Delmas Will Fight. Mr. Delmas will continue to fight with constant objections of any introduc? tion of auy testimony as to evenis in the young woman's life, but the cred? ibility is a wide one and Justice Fitz? gerald early today indicated that he would be lenient in his interpretation of the rules in that respect. Mrs. Cain's Testimony. He allowed Mr. Jerome to bring out from Mrs. J. J. Cain, of Boston, a friend of Mrs. Thaw, who took the stand during tue morning session, many material i>oints as to the move-1 ments of Harry Thaw and Evelyn | Nesbit following their return from Europe in 1904. including the publish- f ed incident of their being ejected from tho Hotel Cumberland In this city, the proprietor insisting that they should register as man and wife or leave the suites which adjoined. In bringing out these facts, Mr. Jerome denied that ho was attacking Mrs. Thaw, and said ho was simply testing the credibility of Mrs. Cain. Continuing his questioning, Mr. Delmas asked: "Did you and Mr. Thaw often speak of these girls?" "Yes. There was a constant, con? versation. I could not possibly tell yon every place and every tlmo we discussed it. Ho told me something ought to bo done about tho girls. I told him I could not. do anything. He then said I could help him. I tried to get his mind on other things and then he would say I was trying to get out of it. He said Stanford White ought to bo in the "pen;" that he got worse and worse all the time and something had to bo done." Letter to Comstock. Mrs. Thaw identified a letter from Thaw to Anthony Comstock. Mr. Dei lpas read the document. In It Thaw described tho studio in Madison Square Garden tower. He said it was filled with pictures and should lie raided. He also described the studio at 22 West Twenty-fourth street, which ho said was "consecrated to debauchery" and was used by a "gang of rich criminals. Tlie letter claimod that the place was "run by a gang of rich criminals." hut was frequently viBlted by young men who did not know its character. It also called attention to another bouse, saying, "You may also abolish another place nt 22 East Twenty-sec? ond street, a house used secretly by three or four of the same scroundrels. Young clrls are taken there lo per? form a felony." His Practices "Unspeakable." "One more question and then I am thvongh." remarked Mr. Delmas. He turned to Mrs. Thaw: "Pardon me for ask'ng, Mrs. Thaw, but. did Mr. Thaw tell you that any of Stanford NEWP01 Wlitte's practices on young women were unnatural?" - "Yes." "Can you describe them?" Mrs. Thaw flushed. "Ob!" she said in a shrill little voice, "they are unspeakable." "Now you may take the witness." said Mr. Delmas to District Attorney Jerome. Jerome Reluctant to Begin. I The district attorney seemed re? luctant to begin tho cross examina? tion of Mrs. Thaw today, desiring to have the matter postponed until Thursday morning in order that he might determine whether or not a further examination of the witness was necessary on the issues Involved. Almost a Promise. "After I have looked further into (lie matter I may decide to qross ex? amine Mrs. Thaw." Mr. Jerome stated to the court, "or I may waive my right. If when all the testimony as to the insanity of the defendant is in I shall be honestly of I he opinion that he was insane tt the time ihe act was committed, I do :iot propose to take up the time of this court and this Jury in contending?" Mr. Delmas here Interrupted Mr. Je. rente. He wanted to know If the dis? trict attorney meant that if be was honestly convinced thnt Thaw was in? sane when he shot Stanford White he would abandon the prosecution. "I promise nothing." retorted the prosecutor. Another Conflict of Words. A wordy conflict ensued during which Mr. Jerome hinted at broken confidences and evasion of stipula? tions. He declared he did not wish to humiliate the witness with a cross ex? amination which he might deem un? necessary. "However. If I am forced to do it I will," said Mr. Jerome, with some? thing of si menace in his tone. I "You may proceed," replied Mr. Delmas. I Mrs. Thaw Nervous. Mrs. Thaw moved a bit nervously, in the witness chair, and awaited Mr. Jerome's opening questions. They had to do with her signatures to cer-j tain papers, some of which the prose? cutor declared were receipts for mon? ey Mrs. Thaw had drawn from the Mercantile Trust Company In |902? $25 a week. j Mr. Delmas protested niminst the district attorney making I'mse state? ments and noted an objection. I Mrs. Thaw said she was not sure thnt all of tho signatures were her own?they looked very much like her wrttlng, "she" added. Who provided the money for the girl at the Mercan? tile Trust Company was not devel? oped. Always Ready With Answer. Mrs. Thaw's confidence grew as the cross examination went on and she was always ready with an answer. Mr. Jerome jumped from point to point in the story on the plea of test? ing her credibility was allowed to ask pertinent questions. He wanted to know when she first hoard that she had been named as a correspondent in the Ceorge W. I^ederer divorce case. Mr. Delmas jumped to his feet with a nrotest. Mrs. Thaw called him over to where she sat, whispered something I In his ear and the attorney withdrew i his objection. Read It tn the Newspapers. > "I read of it in the newspaper"", said the witness cheerily when Mr. Jerome repeated the question. The orosecutor sought to show that Mrs. Thaw had gone to Abraham t Hummel for advice with regard to the divorce proceedings but was halted by an objection from Mr. Delmas, which the court sustained Justice Fitzgerald said the question had nothing to do with Mrs. Thaw's story| to her husband and did not affect her. credibility. Mr. Jerome brought out that Mrs. Thaw bud written to Stanford White! from Boulogne after Thaw had pre: posed to her in Paris. "Did you also cable Mr. White?" ho asked. The witness could not remember. The cross examination had barely gotten into full swing when adjourn? ment Tor tho day was ordered. f Resumes Stand Today. Mrs. Thaw will resume the stand' tomorrow morning and the Indications aro that she may be kept there throughout the day. The reluctance of the district attor? ney to subject her to cross examination again lent color to the rumors that Mr. Jerome still contemplates moving i for the nppolntment of a commission! in lunacy to test Thaw's state of mind at the present time. Evidences of III Feeling. Now that he has entered upon the cross examination, he seems deter? mined to make it a thorough one. There were evidences during the af? ternoon session of ill feeling existing between Mr. Jerome and Mr. Delnins. ! The latter Intends to protect Mrs. Thaw in every possible way. He mov led from his accustomed p.lnce at Thaw's counsel table to chair within tho rail where the district attorney sits and directly in front of Justice Fitzgerald. Mr. Jerome informed the Callfor ninn that it was not courtesy in New York to interrupt the attorney when he-'was stating an objection. Gets His Own Medicine. Mr. Delmas later was objecting to a question put by the prosecution when Mr. Jerome interrupted. Mr. Dedmns turned and with great sar? casm remarked: "l havo been told by you It is not courtesy in New York (Continued on Page Seven.) KT NEWS, VA., WED Fight Between Little Armies on the Frontier Lasted (or Hours. NO DETAILS OF CLASH GIVf H Cable From Associated Press Oorre I spondent at Managua Furnishes Meagre Accounts of Battle Monday Afternoon Between Forces Com? manded by Presidents of Republics. (Rv Associated I'ross ) 5 MANAGUA, NICARAUGUA, Fob. lit.?The troops or General Bonlua, president of Honduras, at :! o'clock yesterday afternoon attacked the forces of General Ketnya, president of Nlcaraugua, which guarding the Nie araugua frontier. After many hours' fighting the ttr ray of Honduras was defeated. VARIOUS REPUBLICS CONCERNED Information About Souti/i American ' Trouble Brought to Panama. 1 IHy Associated Press). 1 PANAMA Feb. 1!?.?Passengers ! who reached Panama today from Central American i>orts, brought uul ditiouhl information regarding itJte outbreak of hostilities between the I forces, or Gen. Zelaya, president of Hdndiiras yesterday on the 'Nlcana . guan frontier. j They nay dhat Gen. ne-.aya Is back? ed by tlie enemies of .Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala. These agitators are known locally ns "En;:-' , giadoes." ' ' I On ti'.ln ol'her hand Honduras Is I supported hv eGn. Escalc.is president I of Salvador and Manuel Estrada, ?president of Gautam.iula. It lb' de I elared that the ambition of Zelaya 1 is to ?stabil*1!) a union of the states of Cenrtal America. OFFERED TO FURNISH STATE JOB FOR BIO FEE Tax Commissioner Healey, of New Haven, Dismissed For Improper Conduct. (By Associated Press. 1 NEW HAVEN. CONN.. Feb. ID Tax Commissioner Frank E. Healey, of Windsor Ix>cks, was removed from office by Governor Woodruff tonight for improper conduct as a state offi? cer. Mr. Henley was chanted with of? fering to secure a flartford conunis Sioncrshlp for Howard M. Steele, of New Britain, upon payment of (1,200. Healey was dismissed after a hearing. The Incident created a great stir in political circles, as Mr. Healey was political agent for Lieutenant Gover? nor Lake in the campaign last fall and was manager for Governor Rob? erts two years ago. ? He was appointed tax commissioner by Governor Roberts. MEMBERS OF GUARD EXAMINED. Investigation of Brownsville Affray Continues. fRv Associated Press.> WASHINGTON. D. C. Feb. 10.? Members of tho guard on duty at Fort Brown, Texas, on the night of the Brownsville affray, were witnesses today in the investigation being con? ducted by tho Senate committee? on military affair*. Corporals Ray Burdett and An? thony Franklin and Private Carolina DeSasure were on the stand. All were In the guard house as relief guards when the firing began. All of the witnesses testified that they saw flashes of guns and heard bullets ,and asserted that they had not told these facts befolJ because on previous examinations tbe officers conducting tho Inquiry permitted them to answer only such questions ns were put to them and did not al? low them to volunteer any other facts. Big Ones Summoned. fBv Associated Prons* NEW I.?RK. Fob. m.?William O. 'Rockefeller, Jacob H. .Sah iff and Alexander M?ller were today sum moved to appear before the Inter? state Commerce Commission wil>n It convenes in this city next. Mon? day. E. H. Harriman was summon? ed yeatenday to appear at Fie o|>on 4ng session of the commission. Shoots Himself to Death. (Hv Associated Pros?.) BUFFALO, N> Y., Feb. 1ft.?.lor.:Ti Rost?, a 'manufacturer of woodwork ling machinery, shot Ihlmself In h's office this afternoon dying almost immediately. Ill IhVmlts Is supposed to have been the cause. [NESDAY. FEBllUARI HEATED CONTROVERSY | OVER POSTAL MEASURE Mr. Macon Blocks Paragraph Re? lating lo Increased Pay For Clerks. LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN RIDDLED Personal Altercation Between Rep? resentatives from Arkansas and New York V/as Narrowly Averted and Consideration of B ii Resuted Only in Lose of Time. (By Associated Press.) WASHINGTON, I). t\. Pol?. 19.?I A Iicated controversy which ai one] I tlmo seemed to threaten a personal I altercation between Mr. Macon of I Arkansas;, and Mr. Fitzgerald, of New York, occurred on lit" Moor of the House today while tiib House had under consideration i li?- post, bfllce appropriation bill. iWhoh the iKirngraidig relating to Hyi Increase of ipay for clerks Inj Iii.-i and second class poslofllccsj w.is reatihod, Mr. 'Macon made, a point of order again&'t the section.' Til ere were cries of "Don't do t. (it! I Lot K g?'.'1 Mr. Mac?n, however, in? sist* ,1 upon a ruling on his iwlnt of order. Mr. Fitzgerald vebbmeiitly i exe.. timed t.hat If tho gentleman from Arkam-.is believed It his inte? sloii to make a point, of order against the Increase of pay for cleuiks, he Would eeo to it ithat a point was made nominal lho In create in t'....? 'pay for rural carriers for which thd hill provides. Mr. Fitzgerald's Threat. He wouli have the country know ithat the failure to Increase |/ie pay of rural free delivery carriers wns traceable directly to the obstinacy i -;?l Mr. Macon. Kfr. Macon was oh h's feet \n tin in-tan'. S-Wtlng Iiis (Inner at Mr. P-ltzgeraid cold "Yon cannot make any threats at me. You ctiuuol use a whip thai yon will defeat the increase for rural carriers if I insist wpoft my point of order und strike out. the locrea.se for clerks In tlie big postofflces." i Mr. Fitzgerald with .much dellbor*| alien said that It was only by in an- ' imnus consent (hat the Hou-e hnd i assed on Iheen increases, if. there-1 fore, the gontleman rrom Arkansas Insisted tihat there be no Increase] In the pay of clerk? in city offices' boeauso he ha-ppe:ied to live In a! rural community the increase for the rural carriers would have In | go too. I Again Mr. Macon secured a hear-i Ins. Mr. Maeon Continues to Object. | He commenced lo speak niboul the' "pernicious and obnoxious vtiVse on j the llo.ir." 1I;> got. n-> further. 'Mie | chairman's gavel came down wMh a ; thump. After p.:-t appeal b'v 'Mr. I Mann, <-f llllonols for the withdraw- i <i 1 ef ilie objection and Mr. Mneon's | nefusal to accede to the request,' the chair sustained the point, of or-j der. j Tlie reading of the bill was then I resumed and Mr. 'Macon made a j point of order against the section | In re-lati'?g to Increase for delivery j carriers. Again there was- loud pro testa but the chair sustained th * ?point of order. Apain and again Mr. Maeon objected and the point was I sustained until t'.ao bill, figuratively, j lookRd ns If u had been riddled i ?with sho*. BALL PLAYER ROBBED. Hard-Luck Chan Gets 4500 From Mike Donnelly. fBv Associated Pressi. CHICAGO, ILLS. Fob. 19.?Mlch rrl Donnelly a member of the Now York National len.gue baseball team wp..' robbed last nigMt. of $500 in cash and a diamond stud. A strang? er Who gave the name of T. P. Snroith and his residence as New' York, told Donnelly that he fimd | jurt arrived from New York ane was without money or friends. IV? story aroused the sympathy of Don? nelly and V'e Irwlted Smith to share f.iis room for the night. K'ilW momlng when awoke. he found Smith the money and tl stud had disappeared. Tho police later arrested Smith. REPORT ON IMMIGRATION. South Carolina Commissioner Hr..-> Right to Import Labor. (Bv Associated Press.) WASHINGTON, D. C-. Feb. 19.? ] Secretary Straus.*, of the department I of commerce and labor, sent a report | to the Senate In regard to correspond-1 nice with Mr. 'Watson. Immigra? tion commissioner for South Carolina.; as to tho bringing of labor into this country to work in tlie cotl< :i mills j and on the farms of the South. The report was in response t > a resolution by Representative Oard ier. f 20, 1907. of Massachusetts, who desired lull lurorniallon. Secretary Strauss said ii was merely an elaboration of a re ??<-n( o|)tnlou rendered hy the solicitor of Ihn depnrlmeut, in which lie hold thai Mr. Watson has a right lo bring In Immigrants under a contract sys tern, as bo is acting as a represents lAvo of Slate ami is not BUhjocl lo the same restrictions which are pine eil upon Individuals. LATEST REBELLION IN \ VENEZUELA IS CRUSHED General p.irclez and Seventeen Others Captured and Shot by Govern? ment Troops. (Rv Associated ProsiO WASHINGTON, I). C. Fob. 10.? The slate department has lyjon in? formed by cable hy the American con? sul at Trinidad of the complete extir? pation of the latest attempted rebel? lion in Venezuela. The news is contained In the fol? lowing dispatch: "General Antonio Pnrdoz, will) sev? enteen others, wdro shot alt<>r being captured by government troops near Ilm nenn, m the Btato of Bemudor., about, the 13th instant." Pnrdoifl landed on (ho coast of Venezuela from the West Indies about two weeks ago. His party eon Blstcd of about twenty men. but It was stated lie would soon receive n large supply of Weapons with which to arm the natives which he expected to flock lo his banner. SUITS TO BE INSTITUTED AGAINST RAILWAY CO'S. Attorney General Bonaparte Directs Prosecution Upon Safety Appli? ance Inspectors' Report. (Hy Associated Press). WASHINGTON, I). 0., Feb. 19.? Attorney General Rnnnpartc has di? rected that suits be instituted ngainst. u number of railroad companies to re? cover penalties for violation of the Bnfety appliance law. Information upon which these prosecutions will bo based were re? ported to the Intei'Klato Commerce Commission by its Bnfety appliance Inapt ctors, Seventy-eight violators in all are alleged and the railrnnds made de? fendant.-; include (lie Alabama Great Southern, the Atlantic Coast I.Inc. Central of Georgia, the Denver & Rio Grande, Erlei International & Great Norlherh; Missouri. Kansas & Texas, Mobile <\i Ohio. Pennsylvania, the Washington Southern, the St. Louis and San Francisco, Southern Pacific nod the W.nbash. MILITIA ORDERED OUT TO PROTECT PRISONERS Negroes Accused of Assaulting Miss Sbclton Will Be Taken to < Amtierst Today. 'Rv Associated PreBS.1 RICHMOND, VA? Fob. 10? The LyiK-'bhung Fnrnwille and Chariot tea vIMe companies of the Seventieth regiment are under orders to report n Lieut. Col. Cmlgblll at Amhcrst court houso tomorrow to protect llerbrvt S:eptu- an.l Peter Hudson, the negroes who are cchorged with oSBa?King iMiss Shelton, and who wi'-ll be taken to Am/he rat froin Reanoko In the morniing. The mat ?ler will go before tho grand Jury in Fie morning, and the trial will probably take place Immediately af? ter t&a afceriised nie Indicted; DECIDE ' BEFORE MARCH 1. Final Conference of Canal Builders in Washington, 'liv A??ociiitiKl Pross.> WASHINGTON, D. C. Feb. 10.? The President told a ?juhU"i?r of contractors who nie associated with W. J. Oliver in this bill for the con struotilon of bhe Panama Canal that a dc-elfrlon in the matter would be reao'tad ibefore the flret of March. That will probably be bh9 final conference preliminary to the decis? ion was held with a number of con? tractors associated will!? IMr. Oliver today. Secretary Tnft sa'd that no con elusion had been reached today. MAY BE ONE HUNDRED DEAD. Sixty Miner* Entombed at Eagle Pass, Texas. (Rv Associated Press.) EAGLE PASS. TUX.. Feb. 10.?A dispatch received today from Las Esranzas, Mexico, says that It is now believed one hundred lives were lost In the. explosion yesterday in the mini belonging to the Mexican Com & Coke Company. ?Kort.y-t.hroo bodies have been re moved. More than sixty miners arc still In the compartment where the explosion occurred. Whether they are dead is not known. Many of the men killed are Japanese. Newspaper Publishers Meet. (Rv Asse>ciated Press.) NEW YORK. Fell. 10.?The twenty first annual meeting of the American Newspaper Publishers' Association was begun here today. On account of the Illness of S. S. Rogers, presi dent of the association, Herhort F. Gunter presided. Nearly ISO mem? bers were present. THE WEATHER. Partly cloudy Wed- ? nesdny, preceded by rain In the Southeast portion; colder Thurs? day, partly cloudy and fresh north winds. PMCE TWO CENTS FAMILY MOUBNEDliT FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS Charles E. Robertson, mining En? gineer, Joins Wile and Children at Roanoke. DAUGHTER FOUND HIS WHEREABOUTS While Taking Dictation, Young Stenographer In Office of Tide? water Railroad Heard Address ot Her Father Whom She Believed to Be Dead?loyful Reunion. (Special to tho Daily Press.) RICHMOND, VA., Fob. 19.?After boJirg muuriitd as dead for seventeen yeard by this wife ami children. t.Mtarles A. Robertson. ;t. mining <eti gli i'i i- was today rest on d to his ramlly in Roanoke amid nlTec-tlng sei nan. Seventeen yonira ago Robertson loft tvia runv'.ly in Shenandqtih, this1 siav to go to Georgia on tnis Itoss. He fell III With 'fiver and wen; lo a .hospital In Atlanta, tiles wife was later advised that bo had died and was bur'ioa. 1'ku family donned black and moved to Roa? noke'. Two werfkta ntgo Robertson's daughter, iMEss Gladys, aged twenty threo, a Rtehogrnpher In the office ?.r the pre*, dent, of the TldowaUr Ra'Lrond, at Norfolk, took a dicta? tion lo "Cliarloa A. iRob?nLsoii, (Mining Engineer. Tain pa, Flu." She fainted. An Invest'gntlun was then i tniiicd, resulting In llho family ro unIon in Roauoko today. W''','n Robe:! son bnti'.rod 'the dome of i'iIh wife In ll-mauko, Mrs. Ro?i i it.son ami two daughters swooned. Then there was inncit rejoicing; Robertson says- that after leaving the AM?nta 'hospital the return, d to Shohtvndotlh, but [hixi his family had moved nway and that he was tillable to locate th(\)ti. He then returned to UiO far South. COMMERCIAL CLUBMEN WILL INSPECT CANAL _ / Party From Chicago, St. Loula, Cincinnati and Boston Starts on Long Trip. fny Associated Press.) CINCINNATI. OHIO, Pc.b. 19.? j Mi ml? i-s of tho commercial clubs of C I'Jcoigo st. IjouIs and Cincinnati left. Siere e>a a special train today dver the Clnc/huntl Southern rail? way, enroute for Charleston, S. C. ?where t/iey will board the Htoanior Prinz Joachim for Panama. Yesterday t-h- giUoimer left New York wltii the Boston Comrhorolal Club. The tourists will visit, various West Indian ports reucihing Colon March 1. The trip was suggested at the anniversary mooting of the eine n-? na<tii Commercial club last May, wbeh the other clubs were g'.or.t.s and was given 'Immediate endorsement ?by Secretary of War Taft, who v.-sk prc.'.ienL The commercial travellers expect, to visit and carefully exam? ine toe present prospective work ot ?.: I.- Panama canal. RICHMOND DISTURBED OVER RATES TO NORFOLK Rumor That TViere Will Be No Dol l?.r Excursions From Capital . This Summer. (Special lo the Dally Press.) RICHMOND VA.. Feb. 19.?The jieoplo In llhls city and. indeed, -oil ovt-r >tlhe State, are greatly ipertunbad' at the rumor current iem that the railroads operating iheweeh Richmond and Norfolk, "instead of reducing tj-'-fc rat', trend fare from tlie eapltol to the city by the sea during the exposition year, are pp. paring to rai, o the Tates to the limit. It Is understood on w-'nat. Is considered good authority that the round trip fare between Pi'e''!ni:>ud and Norfolk will not >bo lee.s than $2.50 and may bo as high as throe dollars. The summer ex? cursion rate to Norfolk is only ona dollar round tn'ip. It had been pre? sumed Mint the rate to tho exposi? tion would certainly -be iujJ low afl the summer excwrslpn rate. {s'otiU'.'irg definite has yet been done in the matter, but it Is understood that the rfc'.lroads aro gettong together for the purpose of fixing a rate. Offlclals of the road will not talk regarding the matter at this time. A Twsnty to One Shot. (By Associated Press.) NEW ORLEANS. LA., Feb. 19.? The victory of ,rJye flr./u II at 20 to 1 in tho flr.i nut- at the fa'ir givxtnds today, was a d-sappolutmeriit to be't lor Bve Byv Ii nosed our. Opit'gaiitn, a well played 8 to j. choice.