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I2TU)nitiM*tt>ruth Congress.
secoxo sess/ux
Twua^v, Jan. 4, 1S12.
'I'hi* Journal of yoiilerdnv was read mid approved.
<>n leave -i en, Mi LFtVIS WILLIAMS offered
the !o'lowii.< resolution, which w as adopted r
hi -.-/m.', That the nnnuul lte,iort of the CVmnmsioi
r of the (ienrral Uiul < HTtee lie referred to the
Coimniuae an the Public Lauds, and that the mapueeomnuayiiiK
the same bo printed and attached to
the copies oj the report already ordered for tile list
i.. the llou-e. provided the t'lerli an procure, williIout
additional charge, for the use of the plates which
have been procured and paid for by the Senate.
amund.mfcm' uk' tub cunrttltl'tion.
Mr. HUNT asked leave at this time to introduce u
joint resolutinu providing for an amendment to the
Ooristitutioi -f the I'pited States, limiting the Presi;
dent to one term of ol'iee.
Tlie resolu*'on having hrcti read for in forma ion'
Mr. WELLER inquired of the .Speaker if *bo resolution
was now in order ?
Tin; SPEAKER --aid no; not rf objection was
Mr. WEELEU said he objected then, for the reason
that the resolution was not now in older, Me
hoped that the House would proceed with the regular
Mr. HUNT said that he hoped no objection would
have been made to the reception of lids resolution,
. inasmuch as it was, to'iilriii rerbii, the same submitted
i b\ him a year ago, (December, le-10.) \t the. short
session he became satisfied action could not be had
1 upon it without injur) to other great and important
intt rests.
Mr. WEEI.ER rose to order.
The SPEAKER said the question was notUehateable.
Mr. HUNT said he did not desire to debute it now.
Rut. he would give notice that, when m order, he
should present the proposition, and should, at an ear
1) day of the session, call it up for cutis.di ration.
coa.s r et'uvKv.
! tin (notion of Mr. ADAMS, the House proceed! <1
to tin- consideration of a motion submitted by hiiu
1 just previous to the adjournment of the House yesj
lerday, to print .'I 0 additional copies of .Mr. Hassler's
report of the coast survey for the benefit of Mr j
Mr. HOPKINS would like to know, he said, be- j
fore he voted, w hat would be the expense.
Tl?. KIT \ k I'll infiu-mo.l Kv the pi...|, i?.
Pi said, iliat the expense would not exceed
After some conversation?
| Mr. 1 lopkin* suggested that the motion should.be
so modified as to say " provided the expense does not
exceed $25." [Laughter.]
The question was then taken on the motion of Mr.
Apvvts, and was decided in the negative?ayes tiO,
noes 81.
So the extra copies were not ordered.
Mr. ANDREWS, of Kentucky, called for the or
ders of the day, being petitions and memorials.
\n animated conversation took place between Mr.
I ADAMS and the SPKAKEK as to the nature of the
motion pending on a certain petition heretofore presented
by Mr. A. for the repeal of the 21st rule.
It was extremely difficult for the Reporter, owing
to the noise in the Hall and the number of members
I standing on the lloi.r, to report wdh any tiling like
accuracy the proceedings which follow. He give-I
them, however, as lie fa id., theui on his note-, anil
wi.hoiu reference to the Journal.
! Alter the r >uv irsulion above alluded to between
the Sp, kcr and Mr. .'vd uns bud terminated?
And the statement of the question boh called
I It was stated t?> be on the petition tit' 1). ii. \ei
and 311 citizens of Hamilton county. Ohio, against tinadoption
of any rule, order or regulation impairing or
binding the eon '.hit; onal right of petition, and ; gaitM
disparaging or stigmatising abolition pctiti ns, or
placing them on a diilerent footing from other petitions.
\nd the question was stated to he on the motion of
M' . Adams, to refer the same to a select committee,
witlf instructions to report a repeal ol' the "J 1st
rule ?[old edition, and which said rule is in the following
I "No petition, memorial, resolution, or other paper
praying the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia,
or any State or Territory, or the slave trade
between the States or Territories of the I'nited
States in which it now exists, slhll be received by
this House, or entertained in any wOk_whatever."j
? ?<> mas ^un wnose ititih<atton of de
bate the question had gone over on a foPrner day )
I. ,.?k the floor, and, after a few prefatory remarks,
which the Keporter could not distinctly hear, he
moved to strike out so much of the motion of Mr.
Adams a* proposes instructions for the repeal of the
J 1st rule, and to insert in lieu thereof the following
, wortls :
"With instructions to report a eneral system of
rules, and to take into consideration the expediency of
abolishing the previous question, to re-establish "the j
i ne. hour rule, and that bills ma\ be taken outof
CoinmUtc of the Whole on the state of the In ion at 1
a ei iveliiint period.''
Mr. WISK raised the question of the congruity id'
thesi instructions with the subject-matter or the pro- ]
position of the gentleman from Massachusetts, (Mr. I
Mr. Alt here rose, and said the Clerk, in sia- j
ting ihe question, had read only a part of the journal
o'.' tin day on which the subject was first up. lie !
hud not read the fact that on that day, the Speaker
oi ected to the instructions proposed by him, (Mr.
A. and that tie then withdrew those instructions,
leaving simply u motion of reference to a select committee
; and that was now the question before the
In that view of the esse, lie don It nl whether the
niueiiduie.it i f the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Me-,
riwcihcr) was in order. These instructions proposed
that another committee, such a coivm itee as we had
at the las session tor the purpose of . general rcvi-ion
of tile rules, should he raised. The 1 louse, he should
think wou d Inn' had a sufficient intimation of the
advantages of such a committee, from the manner in .
which that report had hecn treated at this very sts-ion
of Congress?from the manner in which the gentleman
from Maryland (Mr. Johnson) had, in the first
plr.ee moved to nuke that reporl tli special order of
the day for Thursday and for every day untildisp isi d (
I <11 .inn mm, m<i "HJ i J tin.'. OlOVIIlg lllili il lit" I
laid in thf table [Laughter ]
'i lirSPliAKl-.il Does tin- gentleman from Massachusetts
make the point of order that ihe instrueti
u s ptdpA ?'d by tho gentleman fr m (>Vuigin (,\Jr. |
Meriwether) are not in order J
Mr AI>AMS said yes, lie objected (o (he instruelioris
as not being in order, lie ibjrctcd on two
grounds in (In- lint pi.ire. because iln- Speaker hud
decided that Ins (Mr. A.'a) instiurlions were out of
order ; and, in the second place, because it ppe r d to
liiitt (Air. A ) that a proposition tor a general revision
of the rul.s vv.is not a proper .iirientlnipriMo a motion
merely t i refer .'. petition in relation to n single nil
Tin SPKAKLil said it hud t sctiped his memory it
the insuu t oris ottered liy tiie ji'iitli man from At ax aehusetts(
,Mr. Adams) had been d. -.red out of order.
'I'lie only r. source win- it tlie Sfie. Ker bad in such it
raw- was t .e journal of the House; and the journal,
in t'l.s instance, tited that tiie motion to reter was
with instructions
Mr. ADAMS said that, w ether it was entered on
the journal or not, he had l?eii told that the question !
mu?i he taken on the reference, ami that the question
mi the iurniuctiiiiis must be a separate thing after-|
wards, and, n that view, lie had withdra n that
port, n of the lu tion which contained instrue ions,
i'hat, lie repealed, was the /net, whether entered on
the j urnnl or not lie hoped that there were other
members of the House who remembered as well as
hiruselftliat such was the fact?that the question was
(reduced to one ol simple rrl'rrencs, and that it was
upon that question that a motion had been made to lay
on the table, which motion had been rejected. I hen
recurred the question of reference simply. Then
came the motion for a call of the House; nod then
the propensity to debate of the gentleman from Geotgii,
(Mr. Meriwether) [Laughter]
It it null toir a ) ii was a ifinll"r of i rr li iVorcnr"
!!?mi wiibng ilmi Oiequestinn sliould.be taken either
willi or without instructions; lie rarcil f r n tliin?;
hut liir tlie deci?ion of the 'I >u-e whether the petition
ibou'd lie rrlerieil to a select committer or nut.
The fctl'BAKISR considered that the issue on the
point of tact was not very' materia! The genllt-intn
I'rotn Mftssachyoelts (Mr. Adtitn*) might he correct,
or tho S| eaki r might All that was said up in the
Hoor won tv t alii! could not he heard hy the Speaker.
The question now would he on the iiiBrBdmcnt of
the gentleman from (Georgia.
Mr. WI.>! ', said he ha.I not y? I understood that the
Spuiker had deeidrd tile ,p. 'M i f order raised by the
gentleman Irom Massachusetts,
t he Sl'KAlvLK. ll ia withdraw u.
Mr. ADAMS aaid ho had nut withdrawn it; the
Speaker had utiaunderaliHid him.
Mr W ISK aaiil that if the genllwBan from MaanafhuaelU
( Mr Adama) had withdrawn ihr point I'lurdor,
ha (Mr. W ) wuuld ha*e renewed it
He had heen I ( teuton for auiue ' iue tn try and find
out what Were th# I'aete of the c??e, tpd What win. the
tru quantum before ibe llouso.
Ihe SI'I''A KFII kfti l if thi' "fiiilrimui from Viroi
niit (Mr W ?.-1 wuuld au?|i i d hi* remark* fur n inn(
nun, the Speaker would atatto the fuel a, preminillii
( thai he would only I governed in lliH e e hy lu
j own ri-folhctkin, and ihealateof i.'Ctmt> they a| |ear
ed oil the journal.
1 he g ntliuiaii fioui Mwaeliuaoita, on a Ibiiner
duV, had piiaillti'd il ia petition, and moved, an l.io
journal would vho'v, that it he tefi rred to ti *i let t eotn
1' nti iei', Willi jti.itrUftioDH. l.'pon Ihita (juration nl retor
i.ee w nli in truel oio if hat ? i s d t.. in 'ed hy
the gentlriu 'ti. from Georgia, (Mr M. riwoMi. l,)
winch, l>v I he rule, threw the ijinVinti nv. r, ami it
.a stood . ur lit this I mi'. I'lte ... Ii >ui
Georgia now lift veil ?n amcndiueut to those it strut'linns
i* mot' I I'V 'I" yeiiili'in "i fro'ii Mi t im
setts | .nr. Aila. - ) and in-' gent'- iii in from M >?u
Oilliii lis ' >w raised tin point \ 1 nfiTr wh.lhti I lib j
unit ndmerit could be .. '. it. I. 1 lir Sp .',.cr .Tided j
t'mi it onght to be r.'.'i' toil.
Mr. WINE said lit' thought that the u'tienihiiinl of
t'if a, nil. mail tViiiii Georgia w a* tt holly > ut of order,
itinl it ilio Nponltri tlnithil that ii win order, ho
(Mr W.)-niUsi vote against the decision lit' tvutiltl
sooner totf lor the original (imposition of the 1111oinan
from Massachusetts, th in lor the aini'inli'ii nt el
the gentleman from Georgia In the 11,-at p!-;iv it
w >s nut of ordt r. It wat upon u subject vt h. 11 y ilifft'n
nt t orn that embraced in the prop ilion t the.
gentleman from Mussachus. is. Tlte gt olh m n frmn
Mass u'liusetta was aiming t what 1 To rt'j I the
21s rule?to mpral a restriction on onn par. ' tilar
suhj'vt, c ntnini I in the hoily of the ru s ; tl t was
the t atil, ui il In (Mr \\ ) us uboUt I" ?iy tl ist,
of the gentlem nt's propnsi i ins. It vv ,s in i itse a
Coin nit tl e on the general suhject of slavery hen' anil
else wheie. Ami what did the gentleman front th .r
get prop ise 1 A Committee to report a g, net at sy-t. ut
pf rules.
The 8PE K la It l>o 1 under si a ml I he ge lit mm
I to appeal from lite ttecisi ur ol'lh. Chut
Mr. WISE sai l no; he understood the gentleman j
from MasiJtiihu'i'ttv( Mr. Ad tins) us making a p. int
ol order, and he (Mr. W.) was sustaining and seconding
I lie SPEAKl'll. The gentleman fin n Mviachusetls
lias imt u[ij . ed from the iteelsion of the Chair .
Mr Wlt-E I have no' understood the Speaker j
as I) lllg Vet dl't i It'll
The SPEAKER. The Chair hut decitlt J th t tin j
imt-ritJnv nt of th. geilt'eman from (i'orgia v .Mr .Men .
wet her) - h uM 1 e reci ivnl.
he. WISE apteuleil. then from the derision The
ami'iidment i. the lir-t plio'e whs out ot tnthr, heMil.
. .... ..fit. I ........ .,1 . ! i,, il I. ..el.
ill 11 if mil jn-t in., Her <1 the proportion of the gentle
man fioin M issa husittx.
Mr A UN OLD inquired of the Speaker what the :
question W s ! Had all appeal l?o> n taken ?
The SPEAKER replied in the affirmative.
Mr. WISE proit i ded. I e contended that thet<i
i-al of the general sy>>t<_-ni ol rules had nothing n> do
with the proposition of the gentleman fioni M .vliii
What was the second pan! of the gentleman front 1
Georgia? The abolition of the previous question,
lie (Mr. W.) had ne\er In en i s advueate ; he had ill- '
r n warred against it. Hut tli re we.- one t.hili;:
wlnelt *??? tv -( than tin- prevails qui at -n. - a-..d
that e d.irocd in the ll.i-.d point of tile jjoin'e ; n j
from Cil ogia , It W ? l ie id Ition of l! e tin loin el j
deb ite, >!;? timing ??f men in tli?? > ttpre ion ot tbet |
ren i en'-'. V. hat ha I it to do v. ph. the >uhjee |
e nl'f e. U in the j i,:p. a v.|i of tin* pi mhman Ir.
j Mcssachu-i i s? And the next . >t i-f ilie .eti'le- !
:na i fro e Georgia wa- to deoiivi ti.e niii.orit of the
li.'il of -sji. re I. - f ,w | to illation o ep i. .1, . 1
t expoi ion ' f ijitiiofi aiii! 1 i'.i dim-:' - . i
' ai'i ol' tile (j> Vi-rti I cut. w he I) : *o 1J.1111"? 1 1! ;
\\ 1 11.' 1.. 1 tie ale oft .? I'm i'm.
I . iti Speaker Could show thai it w.,* tin- least
eo: 41 u) la t w. t 11 either ore id l!i> -i' points .1.1 the
OI)r e nil ..Old I 1 ttil' proposition "I the jfri'll. 111.Ill
1 Vi t Mlis-i.. Ill- .11 La. la f Mr. W ) w oil Id ii a 111 III I
ih. amend 1,"in wi.a in order. Ai i! ii wcreo. order
il , lie ivi.'u'il i'1'i .iil now in liLcu-a ih eiats
11' h'Ii ore of e-e prop silione.
1' i 1 e. S I1 E AI i E R .-aid il vs 011 I nut lie in 1 rdt-r
l.o > to do .-o,
Mr. WISE. At the suggestion 01 " friend I wi Ii
draw inv appeal froin tlie decision of the Chuii, aud
a ve lo lay tho whole aueject on the talde.
Mr. ARNOLD linjuiird of the Speaker if 11 was
in order to move a inodilieution of ctle pr. | osition 1
'l'he SPEAKER replied that it was not now 1.1 order.
Mr. ARNOLD cxpres-ed tin- hope that the genthman
from Georgia (Mr. Meriwcthe.) w. uld consent
.. ... ...... ..... 1. ... me auoillion "I tno previous
question. \\ ithtliat modification, he (.Mr- A.) would
vote in favor ol tin proposition
The SPEAKLR said that if the motion to lav on
the tahle should I e voted down, il would he 111 the
poW ir of the geii'Ionian fn in Ten lessee(Mr. Arnold) j
himself to move an nil t ndinenf such a. lie had suy. 1
Mr. AliN'tiLT) repeit.il his suggestion to Mr
Meri ether.
Mr. W ISE called for ihe question.
Mr. ADAMS suhmittid to the SpeaL.r that tin !'
I.I- u-e had alrindy deei.i'd oi.ee 11 i Iy the que ll
11 I the t.1 hie
1 Kin.'. A If If It V... it.,-. , ....
Mr ADAM\ Wirat is the ?!?f) i. : 'e in I tic
sha i" '
Mr WIsK culled for .In- questi, n
Mr. ADAMS said nut yet , l.e Mslied to j;o uii"
tti ;i further I' tek
M:. A w. > h ii unditstuod 10 s.iy, that lie hud not
un ler.-iiMul i In t>|.i uker us <li > iding ll.e | ropes lion ill
ll c g. i.t" . . n fl .'ill U. nr^ia I n l>e III in ii. I. A Ii I II
11 it' Speaker h tid ili.it lie had ' < decided, l.e (.Mr. A )
Win. 11 op, 1.1 : r .11 11.i ill CIS.on. 1 l.r Speaker lu.il
S.llil I e Ii.uJ d l i.ii ll, bill III' ll.l l III. [Liudct.eS III
order J |
Mi. WISE hnpcd the Shaker would demand nrdei
in lie IJnO'i' j i
I ho SPEAKER. s iiil there was no il llicully lie
I vcen tile centle ii.in truill i iiss.iCllU.M' ts iiud the , .
Chair. .
Mr. ADAMS. The Speaker .-.aid h* had derided, i |
blithe had nut. 1 certau.lv should hove appealed in { j
stonily. (
A c.oavetgation here arose, involving the slate ol (
ft lit*, which wai participated in by Moms. \Vl ~ K, ,
SPli-'. K.ER. ]
When Mr JAMES asked he yeas and nays on ,
the iiiOiiun of Mi Wise tu lay the whoh subnet on
the ti t le.
An I they were ordered.
[A inrs-ago in writing was r chived fn a the Presidetit
of the Ui . id States, by the hand, of Hubert '
Tyler, E q , his Secretary J
.Mr KluLACK. rilled i t the reading of the pia
p Mtimi of Mr. i\l. fiv dlur: which h iviti; In en ,
The ques ion on the inn i n ef .Mr Wise w..s ta- |
ken, and decided in the allirinative by the following
v ote '
\ HAS?Messrs Lund id W*. Andrew , Allierlon, '
Burtoli, IS cestui, Bullock, Bowne, Hovd, Brewstei, 1
Asron V. Brown, Milton Brown, Charles Brown, 1
Burs.'1, S II Bu ier, Wil iuin Btrler, U illinai .< .
Bu.h r, Cirei n \ . Caldwell, Patrick (' Caldwell, '
John C'flinj II, i nt U. CiMii|il'f II I'll mine- J.' ' hi; '
bi ll, I atu'liei*. t'.try, Caxey, l.'h,i|>:ii,in,. < 'I.II' rd, '
( luii'ii, i.'uli1*, i' i.ii'l, ti.ini i !! ( nl i> *
I UttWMin, I 'r.in. iJrlxrrv I1' ?<t, I? .10, I1, >
in.nt, J.iliii (' I:".iJ v\ .iriln, l^lirii, I--, rii-, ('barb- A '
Floyd, PuniaiH'i , l b iii.ii K I '.i-ii".' i niJile, < i n r, 1
(.ill.! ill II, \\ ill I,I III U. Gitlllll', ( I lull, li . ftll iii), li it 1
(iii iii, 1111 isbnni, llama John ii:i?iinui>t I In- '
LI nl. i it-;*, ili'pkitni, 11 (Hick, lliiu.-liin, llulunl, Hun '
tcf, Junk, Willnuri G. Johnson, Cave Johnson, Ki im,
J P. I\oniietly, I .tine, A. .\lr(Jlrl|un R MeClelnnrt, '
M.'Iiav, .Murehand, Alfred \l;?r?h ill, J 1' Mnmii, | '
Mu in **, iVlciiill. Mi-iiwitlirr, Miller, M ore, Neii
liar J, Owsley, P.unienter, Payne, Pope, Powell, Pr. I'll!,
Reding, Reynold*, Riuk*, Suundi r?, Shnw, Shi p- j 1
peril, Snyder, Sutler*, Stanly, Slci nrml, Summers, "
Su ter, Swemy, Taliaferro, Jotin R Thoinp-on,
R.i-luird W, l'lii'nip<on, Jaonli Thumps. n, TTirm v
V in Run n, Ward, Warren, Washing). n, Vi niin?,.i
W..I s \V. .llir.i.L I. . ... U \.v i ... ' 1
WiiIUiiin, Christopher tl Willums, Jo:ip!i L. \\ i '
1 iUM, \\ H", WoOtJ?lit*. I
NA\S \dartH. Allen, ShciWk J A n 1
!ri*? s, A mold, Baliomk, l!tk<r, Hteri.nd, IS i r>! - y < F
Ijiuir, Hour Imari, Bordt n U iyix*, Hruikvxuv, llion- 1
Miti, J. Br mi, Bunii.ll, ('.illiimii, Child*, Clone mien 1
John C. ( I >rk. 8 .N\ Clarke, Oonp- r, Cn.wen ('r us
on, Cii.vfus, ('unliinj, J Ini bidn.ani*, lave-ill, I'.- *
-i itdt n, ! "111111 r. , J .in li i'loyd, A Lawri ntf Fo.< I
ier, < > Hi *, (inklings, 1' ,G < 'tiit.lt.'. 11r.ilieer, r.?uhi11,e, I
11.i I, \V. S. I l.i iii.J,'s, 11 I'llIV, I iii le ii, I 1 hi ', J.lllll - I
Iimii, Wiili.nu \V. 11win, J.i i i n, And, to Iv, iiiic y 1
L awn-nee, Li'nn, Lowt II, 8unist,n M eon, M.illliol. j I
.VIait cliri, M.ixivi ll, \layu r<I, Morris, ,\i.,m.s, ( inborn*,
Pflrlridyt, Pendleton, Pliiinrr. Kiiiiih y, i>. Han- i
dull, Alex. Uundull, It indoljili, Kidgwuy, llotimy, W
llilKst- I. Janes ,V1. llnss. II, SallonMall, Si noiltnn, I
Sl.ule, Truman,Smiili, Stnki ly, Stratton, A, II. II.
hluarl, John T. Stuart, Tilhngha*', 'I'oland,'I'rumhull,
Underwood, Van Kfiiakrlaer, Winlhtop, Augualus
Young, John Vubau?HI.
Ho the wholf atibjeol wan laid mi the Uble.
[ A mearagr *us received Irons the Senate innuancing.the
I'lth. gc it' certain billa (the titles of which
Wit* not heard bv the Keptiiter,) and uking the conI'UI
??' ! ul'tlii* iloUac therein. See Senate procurdino'
The SPEAKER raid tliut there were on the ta- I
hie aln.ut twenty (million*, prcrented on the en iue day
on the miiii' subject matter ae >hut ju*t.di?| o<ed of,and
wlneli tb bate bring ii> mumied, li.nt also been ordered
lolieovtr JSo qoirlit.n bail been raiaod, but debate
in I g deinaiided, they Were left, ruppoautg that the
dee nioii of the ijui ali 'II jual taken would dinpoae of
tbeet alio.
Mi. liA MBLE tuoved that thev be all laid on the
til*. ADAMS asked theyea* anil naya on l! e Inyng
tliefliai ii tin- *tn it a on tile table which were ordered
And the lull having been culled through?
.Mr S 1'AiNLY (pending the annunciation of the
vote) r< a- and demr. d to be in for tiled by the S|ieaker
' what at.ier I In pioresding* it would twin order
to move if ai gentle i en wbo bud not voletl allould be
fill It'll up. II to do an I
11.a otjeft in making the inquiry waa, tbut there
w en-certain supporter* of Martin Van Bureil who
ha I lie. n dcrirou* of making pnlitieal capital out ol
tin question, w hu had not voted.
'I'lto SI'KAKKR raid the n ntli'iuan was not iu
;\lr. STANLY raid thrre wnr? gentlemen on thi*
ll or?olio iYoiii New York especially?who hud not
Oiiol. lie ( \] i rf ) had made the inquiry in order
i'll' hese ijeollouieil might lie coiii|h lied lo vole.
i ie iaPKAKKlt. The gentleman hue a right to
ill iii Iiul (lint any gcnlAman who vva* Wllhlil the bar
?hn Vole.
'.iS I'ANl.Y. A Representative from the city
ol j iiw Yoik i'"l Mil vole on this que*lion, and I
1.01 - he ei'oiild h. i c.ti| e.led.
[i 're- A inie li in J I
i lie Si'MAKLR(uildrea-inij Mr. Stanly.) Will i
tit ee(,tlio.in eiv'e the neine 1
Mr. STANLY'. Ve* j Mr. Roosevelt.
.Mi ROOSbA'LLT (addtensiog Mr. Slunlv) waa
0 inlet .-I. <od by die Repoitir to nay, "If you want my
lime ills on 11> .it question, you shall have t cm.
Mr. STANIY'. No; 1 want vour vote; for you
hn. sonirti.hrj voted lu.tll way*.
I Si'K YITIR tailed to order, and read the 40th
rule ne e ?d:ti?!i) which in a* follow*: i
' !. el'. .M ruier who shall he in the House when '
the i,n -s: i n in it1 shall give his vote, unless, the
1 Inn- i 'i speo.'l reasuiy*, shall exeuse him."
.Mr. STANIY said he would not (ire** the mat*
tii. I le only wislieil to call attention to the fact.
Mr UUOSEVIXT. I urn happy to lind tiiat my
vole is < ' no much mi] or ant e to the (gentleman from
NnUh Curoli.ua.
Mr. fTAM.Y caul the gentleman'* vote wa* of
no impnrtonce lolnm (Mr S.) that he knew of, nor
to any hodv elee. ' 1
'The fc'I'K. \ KKR then announced the vote, aye*
103, noi H7, as lot lows
YMAS?Me.ssrt. I.undair W. Andrews, Atherton,
Barton, Reeson, Bidlack, Boyd, Aaron V. Brown,
Milton Brow ti, ('. Oovvn, Burito, Sumnon H. Butler,
William Butler, William O. Cutlr, I'. C. Caldwell, (
John Cainphell, Win B. Campbell, Thos. J. Camp
!> II, ( nrulhers, Ha rev, ( asey, ( hapman, Clinord,
ColiCross, Daniel, Garrett Davis, Richard D. Davis,
Dawson, Dean. Dcbcrry, Doig, Eastman, J. C.
Edwards, Churlc- A Floyd, Thos. F. Foster, (1amblc,
Gilmer, Goggij, William O. Goode, Gordon,
Graham, Gwiii, 11 tlx i-ham, Hays, Holmes, Hopkin-,
Il'iu' k, ll aistui, 11 ubard. Hunter, Jack, W. C.
.loliiison, (Aim: Johnson, Isaac C. Jones, Keim, J. P.
Kennedy, Lewi-. Abraham McClellan, McKay, Marehand,
John T .Alusci, Mathews, Medill, Meriwether.
Miller. M sire, Acwhard, Owsley, Payne, Pope.,
Powell,.Reding, KeViulds, Riggs, Saunders, Shaw,
Shepji'Td, AAilliain Smith, Snyder, Stanly, Steenrod,
John T. Stuart, Summers, Sumter, Sweney, TaliferI'o,
John I! . Thoinpsol, Richard W. Thompson, Jacoh
Thompson, Turner, Van lturen, Ward, Warren,
W i lii;i_'ioti, At alcrson, Weller, Westbrook, James
AA William-. Lewis Williams, C. H. Williams, Joseph
L. Williams, Wi?e, Wood?103.
AAS? Mr>-r>. Adams, Allen, Sherlock J, Andfews,
Arnold, Bubccek, Baker,' Barnard, Birdseye,
Blair, Boardtnau, Borden, Brewster, Briggs, Brockway
Broiison, Jeremiah Brown, Burncll, Calhoun,
Childs, Chittenden, J. C. Clark, S. M.Clarke, Clinton,
Cooper, Cow en, Cranston, Cravens, Cu bing,
Everett, Ferris, Fessenden, Fillmore, John G. ' loyd,
A. Lawrence Foster, Gates, Giddings, Patrick G.
Goode, Granger, (Justine, Hall, William S. Hastings,
Henry, Hudson, Hunt, Jas. lrvin, Win. W. Irwin.
James, Andrew Kennedy, Lawrence, Linn,
Lowell, Robert McClellan, Alfred Marshall. Samson
ris, Morrow, Osborne, furnicnter, Partridge, Pendfeton,
Plnmer, Ramsey, Benjamin Randall, /A.Randall.
Randolph, Ridgw ay, Rodney, James M. Russell,
Sallonstall, Simotiton, Sladc, T. Smith, Stokely, Til
lingliast, Tolaiiil, Tonilinson, Trumbull, Underwood,
v .Wi.ir U
I?? l> - 'VllK I , * '
Young,. John Voting?t*7.
No the |>< tit ion was laid on tlx' table.
The petition of S. S. Sheldon and 3(11 others, of
New York Mills, presented heretofore by Mr. Floyd
ot New York, coining up in its turn?
Mr YD WIS i after some conversation with the
Speaker) a-ked for a vote on all the petitions srrtti/itn,
though, he said, he would not call the yeas
and Hays. ...
.Mr. STANLY asked the yeas and nays ; which
were ordert d.
Mr. RilOSEYEET appealed to the gentlemen
who made tiie motion to lay 011 the table to withdraw
it lor a moment, to enable him to say a word in e\d;
nation. .
Mr. GAMBLE dee lined.
The ipiestion was then taken, arid dechled as follows
YEAS?Messrs, l.andad' W. Andrhws, Atherton,
llarton, Beeson, Bidltick, Boyd, Aaron V. Brown,
Milton Brown, Burke, S. 11. Butler, William Butler,
William O. Butler, (J. YY . Caldwell, 1'. C. Caldwell,
John Campbell, YY illiam B. Campbell, T. J. Camp> >11,
Caruthers, Cary, Casey, Chapman, Clifford,
oh -, Cross, Daniel. <1. Davis, Richard D. Davis,
Dawson, Deaii, Dcherry, Doig, Eastman, John C.
Ivlwnrds, ('. A. Floyd, Thomas F. Foster, Gamble,
liilnier, tloggin, YV. O. Goode, Gordon, Graham,
I.win, Ilabers'liam, Harris, Hays, Holmes, Hopkins,
H01.u k, Houston, llubard, Hunter, Jack, YV. Cost
Johnson, Cave Johnson, 1. D. Jones, Keim, John P.
Kennedy, King, I-tint, l.ewis, Abraham McClcllan,
Robert ,\Ii ('lelian, Mi Kay, Marehand, John Thompson.
Mason, .Y11 d i 11, Meriwether, Miller, Moore,
N e w hard, Owsley , Payne, Pope, Powell, Reding,
Reynolds, Riggs, Roosevelt, Saunders, Shaw, Slicplerd,
YY illiam Smith, Snyder, Sollers, Stanly, Steen od,
John T. Sluart, S imliters, Sumter, Sweney, Taiali
rro, Riehard YY-. Thompson, Jaeoh Thompson,
1'urnev. Y an linn n, YY'ard, Warren, YY'ashingtoh,
i\ atlcrson, YY'eller, Westhrook, James YY'. Williams,
Lew i* Williams, C. II Williams, J. L. Williams,
iV ise, YY out!?107.
NAYS?Messrs. Adams, Allen, Sherlock J. AnIrew?,
Arnold, liaheoek, Baker, Barnard, Bidseye,
Uoardntar, Borden, Briggs, Brockway, Bronson, Jee
111 in 11 Brown, Bm nell, Calhoun, Childs, Chittenden,
loh 11 C Clark, S. \. Clarke, Clinton, Cooper, Cow 11,
Cra toil, Cravens, Cushing, Egbert, Everett,
i-'erris. I'essenden, Fillmore, John G. Floyd, A. Law i
iiee l .Mrr. Gates, (iiddings, Patrick G. (ioodc,
Justine, Hall, YY S. I l istings, Henry, Hudson, Hunt,
1 lr\in, YY YY . Irw in, James Y. Kennedy,Lawrence,
.inn, Lowell, \lli-n(I Marshall, Samson Mason, Maliiot.
Mattoeks. Maxwell, May nurd, Morris, Morrow, ,
fsborue, Parnienter, Partridge, Pendleton, (.'luiner, |
it:iin-?-\, Benjamin liundull, Randolph, Ridgway, c
todne), William Russell, J. >1. Russell, Saltonstull, i
sinionton, Slade, T.Smith, Stokely, Tillinghast, To- |
and, Tonilinson, Trumhull, N an Rensselaer, Wal- ?
ace, Winllirop, \ugustus Young, John Young?83
So the petition was laid 011 the table. H
Sever :l other pi titions, of the series, were laid on |
he table without'a division; when the House was t
uddenlv brought up all standing on the? |
ni KK.uiwe or mi: president's message. J
Mr.1 ARNOLD,rose to make a motion which, he
aid, might perhaps give olleiire to some of his friends, v
t was a privileged motion. He moved to reconsider j q
he vole ot jeslerdaj on the amendment of the gen- 1
lenian from New Hampshire i Mr. Atiif.htov) pro-' v
losing to refer so murh of the President's Message as [ i
elated to the Taritl. to the Committee of Ways and i
deans. ' (
\s he did not wish to detain gentlemen, and as this j i
\a> a little matter between himself and two of the j >
tepresentatives from New Hampshire, (Messrs. j |
h'RKi. and I". s -1 >tan*,) and as the usual dinner hour j (
iad uearlv arrived, and gentlemen might wish their , I
!nun rs, lie would merely lax the gentlemen referred j
o and the Speaker to stay and hear what he. had to (
a>. It was due to himself that he should make this
notion. t
Mr. OIDDINfiS inquired of the Speaker if this n
notion was now m order.' . I
The SPEAKER. It is a privileged question, and
rides over all othera except the question of adjournment.
After some conversation between Messrs. WIHB,
ARNOLD, and the SPKAkKR, on a point of order?
Mr. ARNOLD Mid, as it wai the pleasure of the
Mouse, he would go now; and he Should Dot feel
discrepancies of the speech of the honoruble gentleman
In in Sew Hampshire, and would begin with hi? distinguished
democratic friend in the Tennessee Legislature
Mr. BOWNE railed the gentleman from Tennessee
to order.
Mr. ARNOLD raid it was loo late in the day.
The SPEAKER requested the gentleman to stale
his point of order.
Mr. HOW NE uridersti od tliat the question was on
the motion to reconsider the vole of ye.-terday ; and
what rilation, he asked, have the remarks of the gentleman
to this question 1 How were they gerinain or
pertinent to the question I If they were not, he objected
to them. '1 he dignity of this House, as well as
of the nation, required that such a d? hale as they had
had on the main question, and was now attempted to
be continued, should be put an end to.
Mr. BURKE appealed to the gentleman from New
York to withdraw' Ins point of order. He wishrd the
gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Arnold) to be allowed
to proceed.
Mr. STANLY said, if the gentleman from New
Y..rl* I \tr Knwmh hail tieen nnxuins to ureserve llie
dignity of linn House, and had come here a week ago
for this purpose, hv (Mr. S.) would have wont with
hiin in it. Hut the debate had gone on in the widest
ismre. and the. aanJJrtWAlt'hls giossly assaulted ; and
now common justice, decency, and the dignity of thin
House required that tile gt nlleuian should be allowed
the aame latitude, lit reply to what hud h. en said on tin
nniin question.
.Mr. HOWNEsaid, unforiunately he was not in the
House during ;t great porta n ot the debate: what he
hud heard of n he had regretted to hear.
The SPEAKER said ih.it, strictly, the debate was
not in order, nor had been n.ucb of that allowed on the
main question. The debate had widened out by degrees,
and the Chair did noi consider him-elf, alter the
il< hate had gone on so fir, at lihcily to aireal it now.
1 he question of older had been ratsedHoineilayssii.ee
by the gentleman on his lelt, (Mr. G. Davie,) and the
Chair'had not at that time felt himself at liberty
to arrest the debate, ho wide a range had lieen already
allowed by the H. u-e. As long as the remarks were
not personal, the Chair could not urrrsl the debate.
Mr W.M. O BUTLER ap|>euled from the decision
of the Chair, and called the yeas -arid nays on the
Mr. CARY, of Virginia, said the gentleman from
New Hampshire had been in order in his remarks;
had been merely defending himself from an assault
nude on him ill the couise of the debate, lleptoleslid
iguinst the debate being allowed to go on any further,
tnd hoped the dignity of the House Would suppress
iucIi discussion.
Mr. ARNOLD wished the gentleman had thought
if the dignity of the House a little earlier.
Mr. WISE inquired if the Chait li.ul decided that
hese remarks were not in order 1
The SPEAKER Not strictly in order.
Mr WISE said, during the organization of this
House a latitude of debute had been ullowed greater
bun usual; but the House, by the previous question,
lad now cut oil the debate?the majority bad already
irresled it. Ami now the question was raised entirey
new, whether such a del ate, wholly irrelevant, and
iv owed to be so, should he renewed again. When
wan it Iw atop I 11 I In* i louse Irt one no inber ri?c ami
njiond to reinarkn which hail been made on llie demleof
the main que- ion, others must bu permitted to
i piv, iji all tail nee-, ami where wen I hey to ?to|i 1
Lie hoped the I lou?i would dispose ol l iis question of
eference, and let it stand where it wan.
Mr. GIL.MKH had understood the Chair to decide
hut thin debate wan not in order, and inquired it' he
van mistaken in thin I
TheSPKAKI R naid h had decided that, strictly
peaking, the debate Was irrelevant, and would lie out
||" order, except lor the indulgence that had been aleaily
allowed by the I louse. The debate had been
lermitted to take such a latitude that the Chair now
iverrulcd the uueslion of order.
Mr. GILMKR nanl when he arose he was under
be in pression that the Chair had dicidcd that (lie
h bale wan ui of order, an l wan intern!.ng to suggent
bat the member could nut proceed w ithout leave of
he flounei and lhat the question of h ave would be
ir?t in order, before I he qu.siion on the appeal.
M. I'11 a it I U'? Hill iwk il.. i
1**1. '? UIIP v*.M? 11 MI f* IV a
piestion whether they woulil reconsider ihe vote, and
Ins discussion was not now in order, lie trusted the
nurse of debate would he slopped, land then, when
lie House had agreed to reconsider, they would he in
heir original position ; the question be open to debate,
mil he should wish to debate it.
Mr. ARNOLD said, of all gentlemen he had ever
ten on this floor, he thought the gentleman from the
neeinc of Philadelphia (Mr. Brown) ought to be
he last to iatse the question of iirelevancy. He had
teard hitn (Mr. Brown) make many speeches, and
ns own friends had generally said they had nothing
o do with the su ject.
Mr. FILL MO UK desired to call attention to the 1
2d rule of the II use, which he read, to show that the
[uestton was not debate,able.
The SPEAKKR, in reply, referred to another rule,
vhich, as he considered, authorized members w isbing,
o sneak once on the subject. I
Mr. G1LMKR said, with jierfecl deference to the
'hair, he would propound a single question. He had i
inderstood the (Jhuir to decide that litis debate was
trietly out of order, and, notwithstanding, the Chair i
lerinitted it to proceed. He would inquire of the
'hair where he derived the authority to permit a de- i
ate strictly out of order to | rocced at u 11 1 i
Mr. ST A N LV called the gentleman from Virginia i
Mr. Gilmer) to order. i
'l he Sl'KA Kb R replied that he could not arrest i
he debate on h s own responsibility, after it hud been t
mlulged by the universal leave and sanction of the
Mr. ARNOLD said he merely wished to say in jus- ]
sngnien ii gentlemen ilia not ramaiti ana near mm.
He hud been awaited; he did not regard that, but bis
Stale bad been assailed, and his constituents; and,
which was the lirsl of all, his democratic constituents
were assailed by a democratic member on this
floor. He was placed in the awkwurd position of defending
his democratic constituent* Irom the. attacks
of one professedly a democrat. His democratic constituents
had been stigmatized as being neither able to
read nor write ; and if he were to set by here and
not appear in defence of them, it might be said that
it was owing to his {(olitical bias, and that if they had
been Whigs, he should have been foremost to defend
them. This was one of the most powerful stimulants
to him to reply to the ussuust made by the gentlemen
from New Hampshire on his constituents.
He knew no difference between bis constituents on
this floor ; he represented them alike, and when their
interests were attacked?when their reputation was
awaited, he held the reputation of a democrat w ho
was\)ne of his constituents just as sacred as the reputation
of a Whig; there was no difference. He
thought that the gentleman from New Hampshire?
if he might lie permitted to judge of so learned a
gentleman, coming from so learned a State?had
been on this occasion exceedingly unfortunate
Mr. Bt 'HKE here desired the floor, which, being
granted, he was understood to inquire of the gentleman
from Tennessee [Mr. Arnold] whether his constituent*
were Democrat* that were not able to read
utid write?
mr. s\ i\ii\'LjLJ naiu uciurr nc hm>* uin .-??? ? n*.
would show tliat even his Democratic constituents
had as much learning as most of the people in New
llainiishire. When interrupted, he was going on to
say that he thought?if he might Ih- permitted to
judge?that the gentleman from New Hampshire had
been exceedingly unfortunate on this occasion, and to
remark that there was once an Irish orator, a native
of Dublin, perhaps, a most distinguished citizen, by
Ihe name of Kduiund lturke; and that there was also
a Scotchman bv the same surname, who w as very distinguished
in Ins day. lie did not wish to trangress
the rules of this House, nor would he, if he could
possibly avoid it; but be would like to know from
which of these distinguished citizens the gentleman
from New Hampshire claimed his lineage ??
Mr. til'KKK (again very indistinctly heard) wauiidcrstood
to inquire whence the gentleman rlaitm d
his lineage;
Mr. ARNOLD. That w as a real New Hampshire
trick. He regretted to see the gentleman so sensible.
He must apply to him that stale remark,
"The gall'd jade winces,
Her withers are well wrung."
And they would be better wrung before he left them.
I he gentleman did not choose to answer, and he (Mr.
A.) therefore took it for granted, from lite course pursued
by him on tins occasion, that he claimed his hnsage
from this Scutch Burke, the "lesurrretionist,"
whose profession was to go about with banditti, and,
when they could not get a fresh grave to open, they
took the living and clapped them into a bag ; And thai
was called "burking" them He supposed Ihe gentleman
thought he would "Burke" him, (Mf. A.) but in
attempting to "Burke" him the gentleman had bteii
exceedingly .unfortunate, and hail "Burked" bis own
hlends, had disinterred one of them, had raised or
rtturrcctcd [a laugh] one of them, lis (Mr. A.)
meant the diotiutinguished member of the Tennessee
Legislature, Mr. Dew. lie wished to show a few
titration of himaelf, and the Hpeakrr would bear wit-1
iww to the truth of i', that at the beginning oft hi* debate
no man bad regrettuJ it moru than he did , end
*ee:ng how it wiii w.denmgby degree*, until it should
cover the whole U<v of lite earth, he had gone to the
Speaker to ki.ow if thare wan not aonir rule by which
they could aiopthi* iii*cu**iun The b|?aker tad l old
hiui there waa not. He had been obliged to auhn.it;
the debate lud gone on and on; and in reply to a lew
remark* of ihu gentleman from New llaui|*hire, the
whole delegation ol ihat Mule had poured on hiui llu ir
indignation, and not only lie, but In* ronatituenta
had been iuom f'un.iudy aanauiled ; and now he waa
u'trrly aatoniahed that thereabout lie an attein|it to cut
linn out of replying to tin *e thing*. A tier the deli; te
had gone on to auch a length that they could not atop it,
he had allowed gentlemen to goon; the queitliou ol
order wai made on the gentleman from New Hampshire?one
of thoae who had aaaaulled hint (Mr. A.)
so furiously and fiercely ; and he had Iheu appealed to
ihe gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. G. Davis) to
withdraw the question of order, and alio* the gentleman
to proceed. Lie wished now to be allowed to reply
to hiiu.
Mr. W. W. IRWIN aucceeded, amongst many
competitors, in gaining the Door, and aatd he wiahrd
loblaielna rt abulia lor Voting to aualuin the decision
ol the Chair.
Mr. WM. O. BUTLER aaid, as the appeal would
lead to a debate, he would withdraw it.
Mr. BUWNE renewed the appeal.
Mr. IRWIN then said he should sustain the decision
of the Chair, because he wished the gentleman
from Tennessee,(Mr. Arnold,) and every gentlemen,
to have full opjiortuiiity to say just what iriey might
please; and he wished at some future period, when
the rubs of the House were all laid aside, an opportunity
of replying to some half dozen gentlemen, who
had went off hall-cocked at him, misunderstanding
and misrepresenting ? unintentionally no doubt?what
he ln.d said
Mr. WM. SMI I'll addressed an inquiry, which
wa? nut understood, to the Chair. In reply to which,
The SPEAKER said lie hud decided that he could
not arrest any debate w hich was in reply to remarks
that hud been mude.
Mr. SMI I'll asked if they, by permitting this debate
io go on, were to o|ieri a field lor these gentleman
to settle their private grids I Wn this ti> t>ale tube
re-opt net] for the purpose of enlightening the public
m nd. or for gentlemen to settle their private dillerenceit
[Cm-* of "question," " question," were heaid from
many voire*.]
The SPEAKER t-uid the question would be on tinappeal
from the doci ion of the Ciuir.
Mr. SMITH further opposed i lie allowing (his debate
to proceed, and said it it should he ic-opeiied, he
should desire an opportunity tor peak.
A'r. S fANLY s.'tid this was only an eitra allowance,
because the gentleman fiotit Tennessee [Mr
Arnold! occupied a peculiar position. [Laughter ]
Mr. SMITH was understood to leply, that the
gentleman from Noith Carolina (Mr. Stanly) appeared
very familiar with extra allowances , and that he
had not yet teceived the supply which he would receive.
Mr. STANLY. I am ready, and shall be very
glad to receive them.
[Cries of " order," " order."]
Mr. PROFFIT, after repeated attempts, succeeded
in getting the floor, and said he presumed the House
would now sec the m-cessiiy of coming to something like
order, [laughter ] [ He referred to the wide range ol discussion
that had been, and would still betaken, it this
debate were allowed to go on, and wished the people
to understand that the H-use Was now solemnly deliberating
whethei it would let an illegal debate progiess
lie called the yeas und nays on the appeal, and
challenged on the vole of yeas and nays an expression
of opinion of ihe h- use whether they should have or
tier for lhe next nix months.
Mr. ARNOLD said he desired to reply to the gentleman.
Mr. Speaker, (continued he,) you have been
raised in the Western country, and lived in a log cabin,
and seen a hungry mouse on a trencher hunting
a crumb of b'' ol and [pointing to Mr. ProHit] there
ari jti-l clarity ?ucli aliunuls on this floor. You have
set u .mother small animal
Mr. BUWNE inquired of the Speaker if the gentleman
was in order 1
Mr. ARNOLD inquired what the gentleman's
point of order was5 He said he was only talking
about small animals.
Several gentlemen here addressed the Speaker,
who derided that
Mr. BOWNE was entitled to the floor on the apfeal.
Mr. B. said he did not propose to detain the
louse hut for a few remarks. The House had wasted
some eight or ten days of its time in discussion of
the simple question to what committee a portion of
the President's Message should be referred. We
had heard personal allusions, criminations and recriminations
; and where, during all this time, was
the dignity of the Representatives of the people of
I The ery go forth that the
people w ere in distress, that ruin "stares tlieni in the
lace, that the wheels of (rovernment will have to
stop ; and what were the People's Representatives
doing? Why, sitting here and wasting time in a
profitless discussion? a discussion which would he
proper ut the proper time, but v. as now wholly irrelevant
and out of place. By the previous question
the House had solemnly said that the debate had en
dured long enough ; and we now saw a gentleman
getting up to move a reconsideration of tlie vote,
not to vote for t..e reconsideration himself, hut to
open this subject anew ; not to speak op the question,
btit for personal attacks on individual members of
this House. '
The Speaker had decided that this debate was not
strictly in order, hut that it must be allowed from
the latitude already taken. Had this decision been
made before the previous question was sustained by
the House, he (Mr II.1 should have submitted ; hut
now that the debate had been ended, and the question
settled, it struck him that the decision was a singular
one. This matter could profit them or the
people nothing ; and he hoped for the honor of the
House, and the credit of the ation, that the decision
of the Chair would not he sustained.
Mr. BARTON, of Virginia, obtained the floor, i
and remarking that he had been for years in public, i
life, and had never made the motion he now intend- i
ed, and which he thought should lie carried out of
self-respect, lie moved that the I louse adjourn. i
Which motion prevailing, pending the question '
on the appeal, <
The House adjourned. (
Wkuxksday, January 5, 1842.
The PRESIDENT laid before the Senate a state- i
ment of the contingent fund of the Post Office I)e- c
partmeut for the year 1841. t
Mr. BUCHANAN presented a petition from a Mr.
Townsend, in favor of a protective tariff; also, the |
memorial of fifty-three citizens of Warren county, Pennsylvania,
stating that they have reason to be- t
lieve that gross fraud's were practised by the Ogdcn .
Land Company, with regard to the treaty with the ,
Ttlsoarora and Seneca Indians, and praying that Con- |
gross will make no appropriation to carry it into .,
effect. *
Mr. BATES presented a memorial, asking for a ,
mnd!tic;iliiin i<f the .. Ill -I I
very, and asked that it he received; but, on the mo- ,
tion of Mr. KING, the question of reception wa< laid |
upon the table. t
Petition* were also presented bv Messrs. KV.VNS, ,
Mr. CLAY gave notice that he would, to-morrow, ,
introduce a bill relating to copy-rights. t
The bill for the relief ot Margaret Barnes, the t
widow of Klijah Barnes, was engrossed for a third t
reading; and the act for the, relief of Joseph Basse tt *
was read a third time and passed. v
Mr. I.I NX, front the Committee on Private Land ji
Claims, to which the subject had been referred, re- |
ported, without amendment, the hill relating to pri- n
vate land claims in the State of Missouri. v
Mr. PRKSTON, front the Committee on Military !
Affairs, reported, w ithout amendment, the hill allow- u
ing a settlement to the State of Maine for the sor- o
vices of her militia. He also requested that the h
Committee be discharged from the further cotisidera- *
mm in nil* memorial in .?ninsifur notion, u.aKing lor s
an appropriation to estahlisha system of telegraphs ti
between Washington anil New York ; which was, on ']
motion of Mr. MOl'TON. for the present laid upon a
the table. 1
The motion to refer the plan of the Hoard of the r
Exchequer to n select committee, win announced by '
the Chair an the order of the day. v
Mr. MOKKHEA D said that w hatever difference* "
af opinion might lie entertained aa to the causes which "
had led to the embarrassments of the country, there I
rouhl he no diversity of opinion aa to ttie f?ci th.it the 1
|ieople were now suffering in their trade and com ''
incrcc, and in all their sources of industry , and that, 'j
in this state ol things, thev seemed to call for sonic
rystemof finance hy which their sufferings could lie *
meliorated. lie knew ttint, at the extra session, "
:onflicting sentimenls were expressed whether the nC- 11
tablishiuent of a National Hank was, 01 was not, in- 0
rolved in the Presidential election of 1*40, and '
whether the Chief Magistrals was not pledged to give "
his sanction to such sn institution, lie did not in- "
tend to diacu a thai npic t the pesd 11 ..
supposed that tL?e tact Wo.ld Ant lie ioiilro\er'.
the people ot' i he L' i itexl Mates deaire.i ami , >
that there would he create I some nail ual in.'itui '
? lither an uldefaai.toned Hank, or some other
tution?compatible with r.e piinciptr > of the \\
party, to restore the country ami to relieve 0, |1:i,
russinen's A Hank of the United 8 otes for the i?
nrfit of the |ieo|i!e of the W> it, especially w
an object of much solicitude. Tin re w ere eight gla
rallrti Western Stati t, the debts of w ,ch, foi mien,
improvements and other purpcs >, an ountid to mi.
uillholia of dollars, and at the rate of tive |h r
lor exchanges on t> atea where the ha-ilta wen ,
ing specie, a conclusion might lie aj-pr-<ziu.at,' '
to the amount of taxes they taere in i ,
ing to the Kssl, ami other sections, in cotistoiieM,
the derangement of the currency. The |. '
lievad that ilirce-lourlhs ol this might be sum.I
National ISink ; ai d could it be wondered, tlr,. ,*
that tin y looked Willi aoliettude at ike prnce., 1,,,
the laai aeasioit ol Congress?when I hey mm i
Senator* straining every nerve and making
sacrifice to obtain aoiuelhing for I heir relief?. ?,| ,,
they should now regard with sorrow the umui,..
ful exertions whtcit had ticen made to obtain an n,.
luiion sutlrd to their deatrea I Kentucky had gn,
? ? " ?u III" IHTHIl ll |<r**(Jl CrM. .
a insjo- iiy ol 45,000 voir*, larger, by tar, than
ever gave u> any oilier candidate lui tne same miim i
in |irctrrelict*,.Ioo, to one ul lie. ovv n distinguish, ,| M |1,
The people Jul not stop to inquire what were Mr Tv
ler's political priori; lea. It wa? sufficient torlliriu i;,,lie
wn a Whig, ami the i.oinii.ee ot t|,e VVi j> <\ ,
ventlon ; beside*, he was u Virginian, a name u .? t
was synonymous with integrity ami eia.led j ore t,.,
With there views ol' the Western country ami i:?
Slate from w liich he came, there seemed to be no eluul
that they would be enabled to accomplish all the m,.?
*nre? which were involved in the contest of H40 [
there was am doubt, it was dispelled by the Jnaugu,
Address of t e President, winch induced the | e ; j,
to look with confidence to the consummation ol t).,
principles to which their ascendancy had given ri-s
But, after their disappointment at the extra wi,,.
they were anxious that the Executive Department
should recommend some plan, or devise some mud,
by which their distresses could be relieved; and. m
this hope, they expected to rally in the support ol t),.;
principles which brought them into power It
indeed, a sad spectacle to see the party, which had bee.
struggling for twelve long years, thrown from it- pr,
eminence, and driven into divisions among themselves;
and such a spectacle a* was never befm
witnessed in this country. It w as not, therefore, sutprising,
to him at least, that the fall elections result
as they had, and given to the Democratic party a
temporary advantage; for with what heart eould'tj,.
Whigs rally, when they found that their efforts I
been in vuin, and with what heart could thev strn.
to maintain and continue themselves in'power
verthcless, they looked with solicitude to thi- si-seun
of Congress for relief. With regard to this project
there were many objections to it at the outset (
was manifest that the report, as suggested bv the
Senator from Connecticut, (Mr. Hi;ktisgt"\ , |14,,
the approbation of the Executive ; and it w as iMJt 4
proposition which, tor the linn time, had been present
ed to Congress A distinguished predecessorI hi
Picsident^(General Jackson) shadowed it !. rt i 11, iw?
successive me.sagis E?ery one renminbi ted w.t
what acceptance the proposition was at thai time
by Congress It wu* referred to Committer s in : .
Houses, composed of men distinguished lor their .eel
tiesand lor their attachment tolhc Execu i>e At it-.. j
heat) of the Committee otthe House w.isGcneial M
Dullie ; at the hearl of that in the Senate. Gemmd
Smith, of Maryland. In both of the reports winchJ
wire made upon the subject, the rccouime ndal ' :
the plan was discarded as inexped ent, arid as calcu
later! to havean injurious tendency'; and thev n'gjr
ed it as a great Govr rnnient machine in two points :
v.ew ; m tlie one, as creating a paper curre.ncv bv tin
Government; and in theother, as increasing the
tronage of the Executive. He took if tin ir on lint
it was a great Government Bank, no ma ti r bv why
name it ought lie called. He had aimthei t: u
toil; and that was, the effect which it w uid h vo
the business transactions of the country. I ' urn
gress might, at ativ time, increase the amouo' >
capital. Fifteen millions of Tri asuty nou s - r,-t
teen millions in depositee would be found inn nip.. >
tu the demands of tin Government. The ti ndriicv
the times was to an accumulation of [niprr >
rency, and this capital of thiny millions would-.,
bo increased to double that amount. This app
grew with the nutriment upon which it fed. and i:
people would demand that ihc amount he itu reus
When the Government wanted money, thev c.ni
obtain it by an issue of Treasury no es , it was a -
pie plan, and mere was no ifitticulty almul it, ti>r by t
mean* fifty or a hundred million* of dollar* Could
placed in the hand* of the Government. But w
the people ri*W ? >?? much money' in the hand* oft
- department 1 In tlic course of time, 1
power to uiw'Mint pr(ia>ac,i'i' ??.>???. ??iigi,s n? ^1.,,.
this institution, and, under want specious pr? t< zi,
11 u01 her of agent* necessary to carry it into dice
increased, thus strengthening the arui of the Ex
live; and with this, in addi'ion to the veto po'.vi r
which lie could arrest the passage ofl.ws inlin
for the ptthlie good, who c uld tell how soon
Ctcsar or Napoleon, defying the checks and hdann
of the Constitution, would seiie upon the ti
ment, proclaim himself Emperor, and reduce this :>
lion ol'freenifn to the condition of kl-.ive* li
ever strong this project might come rcciiinmc:
by the President and his eoiistituti' mil adw
he must say that he disclaimed all connection >
it, now, henceforth, and forever; a I > . ,
might be its merits as a measure to afford ti u.;?
relief, it was odious to him. In the hmgua. <
triek Henry, " it had a squinting toward* F.v
supremacy," and it also s<|iiitited to a come,
tion of power in the handsof the Executive, ,1 j
whieh he would not give even to a Washii gton. I i
w illing to concede a great deal for the union 1
Whig party, but when the question wa? pn-eni.
him, either to preserve tile t'olisi ienee ol tin I
dent, or sacrifice the prineiple* of the party e.
brought him into pow er, he could not he*itati l?> pn
for the latter. He hail seen it stated that there vie
a factious opposition in Congress, and it was al?o *:o
that they niust take this measure, or they would
none?yes, this very measure, containing f at
which the party to which he was attached had a
lenouncrd. Now, what were the W big* 1
Why, they were to call upon the President lui.o
et an example of compromise ; let him lay a e.,
>w 11 prejudices for the benefit of Ihe country ,
u > Aaiiifuc en magnanimity, ami, Mi'- \\ui-i
ill would ho well; hut, to suppose thai thei vv
tbandon the ground 011 whieii they had Inn
itood, and place themselves in a position to call 1
ipon them the rebuke of their opponents, vn. , < ,
loubt their integrity, and he, for one. could n t
o much a course of conduct.
Mr SIMMONS observed that, after whit I >
icon said against the pi"* jeet of the Secretary i;M
Freaaury, it might be well to lake another view
\lmost every Senator who had spoken upon the
eel, had endeavored to prawn) the u d'rorn taking
n it* present font); and lie trusted that such a re-n
lad been effected. No man, however, wanted
idopt the project as it now st >nd lint lln-y b
erious question to ask themselves What tints
lo 1 On all bands one featureot the plan It id
londemned a* a Hank or an instilu'ton u;
-nntrol of the Executive. and it met with no tav..
he Senate He proposed to sugo>st I'ir e n
ion, one view which the plan and the report -0
>d to his mind. He was happy to learn tome
connected will lumhv j artv ties, 'hit t'
hfpnsed I 1 adopt, ?o i thine practicable Cm
h og he done uridci 1 he plan w lit It had In 1 11
ed to thru ? He would ask the Senate, th
h y w is ed to do 7 The people carta 111\ w
inme system for titer trlef, aril the quest m
vas there any thing i t the plan submitted 111 1 w "
rive thetW relief, and was it prartieabl - '
rain it the objection* which had lee
gainst it, and which were in*u; ruh'r I li ,
vas said to he no Bank ; and wl .1
arn the reason why they had not procured ristitnlinn
1 Why, the President had 1 n- ' '
hjectiona to a hank operating per .-a I 1'r owever,
had said that the scheme j rup
ueh a hank. The next question w is w
rheme hank enough for litem 1 It cent one I n I
utcs which were ohjertionahle to the I'res
Those who had objected .to it ?at I it w.i I - ' 1
Ii ink It * >. tlion remove it( fr a the control t '
ixpeuti* ami no man until.I hp vc-nri*! t It
lot xulli ii'iillv xi'ji,into tlic K*? I'utivr from it*
rn|, ('on_'r|.*s Were nriM'.l. m tin1 o "t '>!>{>tiati<irr.
to Ml ko till" Correction. that it an;' ' atTom
eliof donred lli* holiovi ,1 tli it cm rv oti-i-r*
rldch Inxl ho. n in nip ivah ro_- rl to thi* ?
tight Imvo hoi n *|nro I it't i- loalo oI i. i'ti a
ol rXi*loil; ami ho rejoiced in the iin .i ; *
ri-kmnn of tho xrntiiiiorit Iron I . .
vt>r fcitpftiiivp niiglil ho in (i ixvii. i
io nation could not ho controlled v t >.f I *:.
io dot rim 'nt ot the pcopli. II l 1
onator who linil *j*)kon w in ? .ti tinl t t
lioiild ho *lri|ij*xl of |||| in noli 1 iii ; ix
'It* given hv it In ill. Kxn o an I I nvor w
lonnipatihlo with the inihl..' oim.i1 o o ..
halnclc to it* ndo|ili,ai The -on o i
urolinn Mr M niauiii hv! I ' <1
>8 Fi*oal ('orih.ratiotl who1 1 '.o.ai i.
ic vhod ot tlio Tr< .i-iir\ w

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