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T If K VOICE OF FREEDOM fluence of slavery in retarding' nhnost all attempts at moral improvement, have gradually influenced many exce llent laymen and pastors to emigrate to more favored sections of t!ie country. Those who remain behind have thus a larger amount of work thrown upon their hands and are compelled to witness the gradual and apparently certain ex tinction of churches which they are unable to feed with the bread of life. In one section, the scat tered condition of the people, the low state of doc trinal knowledge, the long habit of having; preach ing only part of the time, and of depending main ly on the excitement of sacramental meetings for the life of piety, are circumstances which disqual ify the churches for enduring a slate of adversity The dilapidations which have already occurred are truly mournful. Meanwhile, the energies of cv--ry form of wickedness seem to be augmented. Intemperance is added to ignorance, and infideli ty. The faith and strength of the holy principle of those who labor had need to be great ! The following brief extract is from a minister in such a place. ' Brother, through many difficulties and severe, persecutions, I have, in my feeble manner, told the story of Calvary to sinners. But it seems to have little or no effect in this place. It will not do for any minister to live by siyht here ; he must live by faith. Many, alas ! have gone back to the world to drink its polluted streams of sin. Wc have suspended some of our members for improp er conduct. One of our session has been guilty of getting drunk, and of profane swearing ; anoth er one of the session has been engaging in the world and lias forgotten his duty. Others have taken oflence at the cross, and will not attend on the ordinances of religion. Few other members of the church act as if they felt for Zion. Both professors and non-professors seem to be swallow ed up in the world, and to have forgotten religion nnd the bible. Five groceries exist in.lhis town, and they are doing much evil.' From the Emancipator. Kentucky. Mr. Birney, whose business called him twice to revisit ins native Mate, during tne last summer, has furnished us the following: " My fit'sl visit being intended chiefly for my fa ther and the near relatives with whom he resided two miles out of Louisville the weather being un usually warm, and the dust almost suffocating to a person on the road and the time I had allowed myself being very limited I did not see many of the citizens with whom I was acquainted. Such of my old acquaintances, however, as I did see, appeared as cordial in their salutations as had been usual with them and several gentlemen, to whom I was, for the f.rst time, introduced, cheer fully extended to me offers of hospitality. This however, I may attribute, in a giod degree, to the respect entertained by my late father, and for Judge Marshall, my brother-in-law, and his fam ily. I soon felt that I need have no more apprehen sion of personal insult or molestation in Louisville than in Cincinnati or Columbus. I felt the same security on my route from Louisville to Frankfort, travelling in a private carriage in company with my sister and her little daughter and servants. set out intending lo go on as far a? Lexington but I was stopped at Frankfort by a severe attack of fever. During iny confinement to my room, which was for several days, I received from a po lite landlord, who had removed from Western N. York, and from others, every attention which could minister to my own comfort. Owing to the violence of the attack, and to my short stay at Frankfort, (for I thought it necessa ry lo return to Louisville, as soon as 1 could leave my room and bear the motion of the carriage.) I saw but few of my acquaintances hi this Capit.il. I was, by no means, in a favorable condition du ring any part of my visit, lo ascertain, with much precision, the true posture of the slavery question in Kentucky. Yet I was not without making some ose wun wliom 1 coo- inquiry concerning it. Tim versed were of opinion, 1. flogging is not so much resorted to, or so cruelly inflicted, as it formerly was. Indeed, it was said, that it was no! knotni that any ono in Frankfort flogged his slaves thai, although it might be done to some extent, yet it was looked on as so disreputable, that whatever of il was done was kept out of sight. What then, you are rea dy to ask, is substituted for flogging ? inasmuch us there must be some means of coercing men to work quietly all their lives without wages. I re ply, it is ihe fear ofbeing sold in case of diso bedience to the slave trader, to be carried to the South. Although, it is probable that flogging . owing to the efficacy of the substitute may have diminished generally throughout the State, yet I suppose the remark applies-more particularly to domestic slaves in cities and villages, than to the " field hands." 2. Emancipations are becoming mora fre quent. 3. The claim of persons, illegally held in shi very, to their freedom, is entertained by the Judi cial Tribunals without prejudice and if, by the slave code, they are entitled to freedom, they do not fail to have it awarded to ihem. And here, whilst I am on the subject of judi cial tribunals, permit me to remark, lhal if I were to be prosecuted criminalitcr for any matter con nected with slavery, I would decidedly prefer ta king my chance (for a chance at best it would be) with a Kentucky court and jury, ihan with the same tribunal in Ohio. This I say, without in tending any compliment to slave-holding Kentucky for, as to the punishment of crimes of a violent character, such as strike most directly at the well-being of society, her laws are in the main but miserably executed. But what I have just said is from a thorough conviction that I should, in the case supposed, receive more of justice iu Kentucky than in Ohio and I say it, too, after having resided in them both, and having my at tention particularly directed to ihe two Slates in reference to the influence which .slavery has exer ted on their respective character. This opinion may, perhaps, at first view occasion surprise with many. But may it not be supported by all expe rience and observation of the human character ? lias it not always been true, that the provider the pander ilia pimp is more malignant and mean than those for vhosogv3sions arid appetites he hires himself to cater? The remark holds good even in regard to brute nature. The Jackal is called the Lion's provider, because (ns it is sup posed) he goes before him to hunt and rout up his prey. Now, how this little animal will com pare with his iurdly and voracious follower, we may learn from IiiJHin, who tells us, " the jackal withlhe impudence of the dog unites the coward ice of the wolf, and participating in the nature of each is an odious creature." Is this a case in point ? If any one think so I ask him, which of the two, Kentucky or Ohio, has shown, of late, most of the " odious creature V Bui 1 will not leave the opinion 1 Dave aDove rtpd bv nroof. Who does not remember the case of Frank many years ago the slave of General Tnylcr. living in Kentucky, op posite to Cincinnati ? He hired out Frank to work in that city. Now, the sending of a slave into Ohio, to perform regular work", and his abiding there to do it, (let it be put down to the credit of the Ohioanf) has been always held as equivalent to a dissolution of the bonds of slavery, and an ab rogation of the master's right. Frank, before very long, found out this and assumed his freedom. It was acquiesced in by his. former master he was undisturbed for seven or eight years during which time he had become the head of a family, and acquired an honest reputation that proved quite useful to him in his little business. Bepo sing in the most perfect security, Frank- was sud denly seized not by Gen. Taylor who ashamed himself to engage in the expedition, had given a Bill of Sale of Frank to a son-in-law of his, whose character it was correctly enough suppos ed would suffer but small detriment from whatev er personal agency he might have in such an en terprise. Well: 1' rank was brought before one who was now clothed with the office of Justice of the Peace, who had won his way to that official distinction in part bv his signal success as a slave- catcher, whilst filling a post in the Bumbailiff de partment. Ihe result of the (rial ?J which was pressed with the most indecent haste, was, that Frank, in a few days, found himself in Louisiana ' a slave ! Here, he brought an action for his freedom, and finally succeeded in obtaining it. But, poor fellow ! it came too late; for having been obliged to lie in jail during the pendency of the suit, he contracted a disease which carried him ofTsimuItaneously with the favorable decision of his cause. Take the case of Eliza Johnson, a resident of Cincinnati. She was a well educated, intelligent woman, as I have been informed, and was serving in the capacity of nurse to a gentleman and lady of that city. With them she visited Louisville, and became acquainted at the hotel where they boarded, with a sprightly, active young white man who was a slave in the establishment, boon af ter the return of Eliza lo Cincinnati, it so happen ed that this young man succeeded in making good his way lo Canada. Eliza was claimed by ihe Kentucky master, Mr. Mann, as having instigated the fugitive to this offence, for which the penalty by the Kentucky law is, if I remember correctly, not less than two, nor more than twenty years' imprisonment at hard labor in the Penitentiary. Well: Mr. Mann's appeal to the public authori ties of Cincinnati, to have Eliza delivered up to him to be carried to Kentucky for trial, an ap peal supported solely (as it was represented lo me) by the testimony of his own wife, who boarding, for a short time, at the same hotel in Cincinnati, where Eliza did, had wormed herself into her con fidence was successful. She was taken back to Louisville and thrown into jail. At the next Cir cuit Court she was discharged no indictment having been preferred against her. T.tke another case that of the Ftev. Mr. Ma han, lately indicted and convicted of Kiot and Res cue in Brown county, Ohio; of which said riot and rescue he ,vas, according to the account given me of the case by the Hon. Thomas Morris, one of his counsel, not more guilty than yourself. In his case, the Judge (Price) rejected as jurors such as believed that the abolitionists in their- main principles' were right, but who were altogether un connected with any abolition Society. It was in this way that a jury of the friends of slavery was packed, and thai Mr. Mahan's conviction was bro't about ; itcouid have been done in no other way. the trial to this date by the people, if they have not already been in the Harrisburg Convention many of his political parlizans will be relieved from theheceS' sity of earnestly supporting the system of slavery, for which they really have no heart. To sum up all, Sir, in a word, whilst Abolition (technical) is much spoken against in Kentucky, ihe spirit of it is growing. THE VOICE OF FREEDOM. MONTPELIER SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14, 1839 State Meeting at Itniidolph, The next annual meeting of ihe Vermont Anti Slavery Society is to be holden at Kandoi,fii Centre, on Wednesday and Thursday, the 15th and 16th of January next. The committee have been fortunate, we think, in iheir designation of the place. There is scarcely any point in the state, where, all things considered, there would be more reason to look for a general rally of the sur rounding population. Randolph is sufficiently central, loo, for the convenience of the friends on both sides of the Mountains. Heretofore, the an niversaries have been held in some of the most populous villages of the State, and though the at tendance has already been very respectable, we have been desirous of having our great meeting at home among the yeomanry, where the moral atmosphere is not so much contaminated with the pride of life, the spirit of aristocracy, and con tempt for the outcast colored man. We count upon a large attendance from all liie region, and, as usual, a liberal delegation from other parts of the State. Now, Sir, as a contrast with this, tal ha same r.e.i:lj;r ao was vh ubiected in Ken tucky ami m that part oi tue Mate, too, decided ly the most unfavorable for one known lobe an ab olitionist. The case is so familiar to your readers, that I will not detain you with the particulars, but only say, that the conduct of the trial, throughout as was t .e result. , that there are not in the Kentucky, Justices of the lo ulani catcbpole who con was as unexceptional 'lc I will not affirm, Sir inferior magistracy in Peace as base as ihe ' signed poor Frank to slavery, and an untimely grave nor, in the higher magistracy of that State no Uireuit juuge as tyrannical, its Jeterics-iiue as Judge Price ; but this I do affirm that in former times, when I resided in that Slate, (and I know not that in thi? respect it has changed since,) such conduct in a judicial officer of any grade, would have brought on the guilty agent n general ox pression of indignation, from all the better clas: the people I am utv.villing to close this communication protracted though it be, beyond my expectation when I began it without telling you of an in stance of emancipation of which I had heard noth' ing previous to my visit to Kentucky last summer It was ol the slaves of the lute Hon. John Brown a brother of the late James Brown, once Minister to France, and himself, at one time, a Senator oi the U. S. from Kentucky. You will remember, thai he was, also, Chairman of the Committee ap pointed by the Synod of ivy. l r. 1:jJ1, which made so admirable a Report on Slavery. JIe""cmanc.i- pated his slaves some five or six in number by will. To the parents of the slavefatnily he cave a sufficiency of land for their support during their lives set them up with every thing necessary for farming operations on a small scale : nnd they are now living snugly and respectably in the neigh borhood of Frankfort, enjoying in their latterdays the provision which religion persuaded their de ceased master to make for them. How much de lighted, it strikes me, he would have been, if he had witnessed their enjoyment of freedom and a home of their own. before leaving this world. Mr Brown's two sons survive him gentlemen of the most decided respectability and influence. I mention them, because of the report which I heard, in reference to their treatment of I heir slaves and because one of them is the editor of the Commonwealth a journal that ivas signally abu sive of abolitionists during the canvass for calling a convention to alter the Constitution. To this measure Mr. Brown was altogether opposed and he used the bug-bear of abolition to some purpose. Notwithstanding this, however, it is not yet, ns I trust, to be despaired of, that Mr. B, may give his influence and talents to the relief of his country from the greatest evil which oppresses it. When ever Mr. Clay's conlinuando pretensions to the Presidency shall have been set aside forever as they certainly will be in less than n year from " What have Abolitionists done ."' We invite the attention of such as are still dis posed to make this inquiry, to two articles publish ed in this number of our paper. The first is copied from a Maryland print, and contains a number of admissions, which, though unwittingly made, are of no doubtful interpretation admissions, by the way, which do not surprise us, since they are confirmatory of long-cherished Lopes. With the clear and indisputable testimony of the past, thun dering on the ears of slaveholders, with the glar ing light of the recent experiments in the neigh boring c.donies of Great Britain, flashing in the -' ' o face of the world, who can wonder that the slave holders of Maryland are debating the morality as well as the economy of ihe force system ? Who surprised to learn that they are beginning to question the validity of their title-deeds to proper ty in man ? And, we will add, who is at a loss as to the cause of the marked change discernable in '.he lone of slaveholders ? Those who, awhile ago, were defying the puny efforts of the northern agitators, and anon threatening the rupture of our national union, now treat us to ihe comparatively chastened words of men awe-struck by the power of truth, and trembling like a Saul on his journey lo Damascus. The other article to which we have referred, is from the pen of Mr. Birney, giving the result of his recent observations in the stale of Kentucky. In the light of such facts, the northern apologists for slavery will be obliged very soon to furnish themselves with a fresh catalogue of objections to the principles and measures of abolitionists. The friends of the slave, on the other hand, should be encouraged. Never, never has there been a pe riod in tiie progress of the anti-slavery movement when the "signs of the times" were more auspi cious. With a brother in the land of Pc.in, we are confirmed in the belief "that our cause is ad vancing if not as rapidly as we could wish, yet steadily and constantly; that prejudice against it is softening; opposition in some cases chang ing to professed neutrality, and in others, profess ed neutrality to active co-operation ; and that ab olitionists have only to be faithful, resolute and persevering; true to the cause of justice and hu manity ; to " be steadfast, immoveable, always a bounding in the work of the Lord," and they shall ultimately "know that their labor is not in vain in the Lord." " uated in my communication in your paper of the jers have just as good a right to you as to their 12th of Oct. The Managers of the Vermont Col oiiizalion Society, however, " express their con viction," that such is not the fact. With the " con victions" of the Managers of the Vt. Colonization Society I have nothing to do ; and the Vt. Chron icle s tall: about the lands being owned by none except colored persons, is all foreign to the ques tion. It has nothing to do with it. The charge is, that Elliot Cresson mens alar ge interest in the Colony at Bassa Cove. When he sees fit to deny it, I shall be ready to tell where I received my in formation ; and if I am misinformed, I hold my self ready to retract what I have said. Mr. Cres son's conduct at the Temperance house in Bar nard, Vt. kept by the Rev. Z. Twitchcll, and his false insinuations about his treatment there, are enough to condemn him in the minds of all who are acquainted with the circumstances. In Brat tleboro,' also, he basely asserted that all the anli- slavery agents were after, was, money, that Mr. Bcckley had acknowledged that ho was lecturing for nothing else. This I pronounce palpably false. I have acknowledged no such thing. While lec turing at Bethel, he said they, (referring to anti slavery agents) perhaps, were not to be blamed for what they were saying and doing, for it was in that way they made their bread, and it was well buttered too, and that upon both sides. Base insinuation that entirely unworthy of any per son who lays the least claim to decency". But enough of this. It is in perfect keeping with Colonization ; and where Mr. Cresson is known I have no doubt the intelligent will place a just es timate upon bis character, as they now do upon his cause. G. BECKLEY. Ann Arlor, Mich. Nov. IS, 1S39. For l!c Voice-of Freedom. Letter from licv, CJiiy Bcckley. Dear Brother Knapp: Through the indul gence of a kind providence, I am yet alive, and find myself pleasantly situated in Ann Arbor, Michigan Although 1 have broken away from all my early associations, nnd am deprived the privi lege of mingling with those I have loved and es teemed in by-gone days, yet, thank Heaven, I am not shut out from civilized society, nor am I a slave. I find myself surrounded with Christian society, and there is no diminution of religious privileges. I find many warm-hearted abolitionists in this new country, ami their number is increasing. As time and opportunity present, I open my mouth for the dumb as. in time past, and hope to live nnd i it . i t it til die, pleading inr me outraged and downtrodden slave. t 1 T 1 which 1 enioy ncre, to greater periecuon man while in Vermont, namely, that of aiding the fu gilive slave in his escape from the man-stealers of the south. Yesterday 1 had the pleasure of giv ing a loaf of bread and a picceof cheese, together with a few shillings, to nn intelligent look ing lad of IS, who gave me a call while on his journey to Queen Victoria's dominions that asy lum for the oppressed who escape from our dem- cratic country ! I hope the friends in Vermont will be firm to their post, and never sleep until slavery is abolish ed. I perceive by the " Voice," of Nov. 2d, that Mr. Cresson has not denied that he owns a large interest in the Colony at Bassa Cove, ns I insin- For the Voice of Freedom. A kind Admonition. Mr. Editor, The following remarks from the Philanthropist, George Thompson, as given in your last, deserve most serious consideration. " If it be possible, ' let brotherly love continue' at all events, be well assured that the step taken, (whatever it may be,) is demanded by the inter est of your bleeding client the cause of truth which you are pledged to sustain, and the glory of that God whose servants you are." And shall such remarks be made in vain ? Shall they fall upon ears, that will not hear ? True, it is a painful thing, that there is such a diversity of opinions amongst abolitionists, and doubtless the enemy rejoice in these divisions; but it is not certain that the cause will - ultimately suffer from them, any more than Christianity will from the divisions among Christians. This partial evil may be productive of general good. Any how, it shows, that abolitionists think for themselves, and that there is no combination among them danger ous to church and state. They may err in opin ions, be loo tenacious of I heir own views, and too ready to condemn their brethren ; but they can with no reason be accused, as combined together for nny party purpose.. And the fad, that a di versity of opinions prevails will naturally lead to discussion, make them cautious in their move ments, and enable them to act with greater wis dom. Let Wotherl v. love continue, and all bitter ness and wrath be put away, and all will move on to one glorious result. Ephraim will not vex Ju dah, nor Judah envy Ephraim. After mature de liberation, all will see the propriety of yielding in many points, of leaving their own peculiarities wholly out of the question, and of uniting all their energies against the common enemy. And hhey must learn that union is strength, end disun ion weakness. We hope, that they will learn this soon, and that all their counsels will be taken with union, and executed with persevering ener gy, in Hits sacrec conflict let no loreign question be involved. Are you in heart an abolitionist? Then you are my brother; I lake you by the hand, and ask no question for conscience sake. Here is a great work to be done, gird yourselves to action, and work while the day lasts. The enemy are before you, why turn to fight with your brotherr.j "Let there be no strife amongst us." ABRAHAM. For tho Voice of Freedom. 1 v ti"' Henry Clay's "Property." ' ' Henry Clay, senior, has it seems, offered 150 dollars for a man, who did not chose to serve him any longer for nothing. And who can tell, but that the same honorable, man will in a feu years send out his advertisements, and ofTer a re ward to any one, who will be base enough to sieze and lodge in prison some northern man, or wo man, who prefers freedom to his service ? What thtaio declares to be property is property, says Clay. No matter whether the law was . " ----- There is nnr, Pvmedinn- rirh nnViln-rp? 'natle in the lcnver .r uPP?r region, whether it o ' o- , . . . bejust cr unjust, Irom Uod or the devil. It is all alike to Mr. Clay, and all niike to a kind of rob bers, who make laws to suit their trade. Well, supposing this great man should be lifted a peg higher, and from the presidential chair should rec ommend, that a law be passed, declaring that every man and women, north of Dixon's Line should bo the propcry of southern slaveholders and with the help of his white slaves at the north should pass such a law? Then every man and women at the north would become southern prop erty, and might be bought and sold by slavehol ders of the south. And if any complaint were made, the President might say to them, you have been made property by the tow, and the southern- black servants. What the lata declares to be prop erty is property. Such are the beauties of Clay ism. What independent farmer will not help him into office, and tamely put his neck under the yoke, and glory in being converted into prop erty, and shout for Clay when his wife and daughters are sold in market, or advertised as runaway slaves ? 0, the blessings of slavery! Who would not wish to have a slaveholder to reign over them, hold them as property, and sell them at pleasure ? B. For the Voice of Freedom. How to make Infidels. Mr. Editor : That infidelity is making fearful progress in our land, is to evident to be denied. -And the process for making infidels in a Christian land is extremely easy. Let professed Christians say one thing and do another; and the whole pro cess win oe nnisneu : can innsi ineir jjora, anu live in open violation of his commands : condemn sabbath broaking and intemperance, and take a glass of wine, or attend to their worldly business as convenience requires ; advocate missions, and then refuse to part with their money to sustain them ; , profess to hate slavery, as a moral and political evil; and then condemn and oppose eve ry measure proposed to remove the evil from the church and land. Such conduct will soon be un derstood. Men of reflection Will set yfju down as arrant hypocrites. And as you profess to be- I .hriclmna finrl In Ya rrnirai.nnrl K,r Mm TJ.KTa will soon come to the conclusion that your reli gion, and your Bible, are like yourselves, a sys tem of hypocrisy. And this will especially be the the case, if you are deacon, or minister in the church. So that these say-one-thing-and-do-an-other Christians are satan's tools, doing his work, disgracing our holy religion, and swelling the ranks of infidelity. Their hollow-hearted profes sions are contradicted by their conduct. And all men of reflection will explain their professions by their actions, and judge of them and of their relt- v gion by their works. Is it then strange, that infi delity is coming in upon us like a flood ? How can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit? If du plicity reigns in the church, we may well expect that infidelity will reign in the world. And if the salt have lost its saltness wherewith shall it be scasoned.or how can it preserve the world from be coming a mass of moral corruption ? SINCERITY. The Harrisburgh Nominations. 'Whig National Convention adjourned, on Saturday last, after nominating William Henry Harrison, for President, and John Tyler, of Vir ginia, for Vice President of the United States. The latter being a slaveholder, the result is, that both of the great political parties are to come be fore the country with pro-slavery Presidential Tickets. Until 'we .are prepared to be branded as recreant to truth and duty, and every profes sion we have made as a lover of liberty, we wash our hands from all participancy in the work of elevating any of the candidates " who are now,. or may hereafter come into the market," with the smell of slavery upon them. Tram Washington. Intelligence has been received to Saturday cvC' ning, Dec. 7. Mr. Adams was still in the chair, as " chairman of the meeting," and no orginiza tion of the House. The debate on the question. f . I A- T .1 oi nie iew jersey memoers was still going onK much after the fashion of the four preceeding days. See proceedings. ' . ,t j.. Beauties or the System Scenes in the Cap ital Citv. The Washington Intelligencer of the 29ih ult. under the headbf 'Home intelligence states that ' Mr? Thomas Williams, slave dealer of this ( Washington) city !' had entered at the Po lice. Court a complaint against one W. H. Brews ter, for frau;d jnjhe beautiful business of slave- ii.iuiwyy uuu IOr UCUIIg up 10 me, 4hon.pr anions' thieves-' It seems' hadjsold to Williams, for $300, ed L.ucretia, who, "fi.wg a fte'r was free : -thus defraudingone table mercantile houses in Wa traffic in a ' peculiar' American ty,' by suhstiiuungf tbo7ia fide the article of republican merchant for. For this heinous offence, at honest slave-traders, Brewster h Baltimore jail, together with girJHarriet Jones,, charged accompIicJin tliis business trans pears,', sats jhevjntelliger.cnr, ''thru lived ioiis5&,i;r' as his wife JjJ .- . f ? C ' 'Vtizens of ihe ttates hW mjc ger sha ou?,r,,.- , ...iWmtinue to dc u crated and Ti andnost detes ble nbominatifiis of and slave j' What! havdrvon .rL?. ', , Tso sens I spek umanl Lr am,. nvjts inTrqi. l m we no naii. Vo ''o? to the world's I, ortu nnd hardened in heai, "f, o.V i enn. freeman1, . l-s.4(ait.w r From Zion'g Watchman. New Missioriarjr Field. 1T.. on nr.. - i . t.ii-I .UASSACilK Oi WlJrVEMAGO lADIAIVS. lllieilHi . l -' . i . i - - i ' r . i i;uni;e was yeMaruay receiveu ui mis piace, oi nq murder of 20 Winnebago Indians by a party ol .-N.ine n 1-1 1 it nvno rn I in 11 onncn nrnaL'fl vi irn. tr: .1 1 . : ers. a ne ouuck was uiaue uuriug uieuay, wnin the men were principly absent hunting. Four Sacs first came to the Winnebago camp, giving indications of friendship, and immediately after, one hundred showed themselves and commenced battle. There were but five guns in the camp of the Winnebngoes, and most of them empty, so