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WASHINGTON.
Roscoe Conkling Closeted
for Three Hours with
the President.
The Democrats Will Put the
Government on a
Precipice.
They Will Demand that the Tice-
Presidcncy Shall Go to
a Democrat.
Jt Will Then Be Within the Power
of Any Assasin to “ Remove
the President.”
111 llie Spoils of the Great Republic
Bill Then Fall (« the
Bourbons.
Specimen of the Senseless Word
iness of an Indictment for
Assasination.
The Pension Exposures Not Fol
lowed by Further Interesting
Developments.
Mis. Ccristianov Testifies to Acts of Her
Husband 'Which Would Seriously
ComuromisS a Brute.
'ROSCOTj COXKXIXCr.
three nouns v.Tni tuk president.
A'Wtal Dispatfh to The CUicnwt TWbnn*.
Washington*. D. C., Oct. S.—Uoscoe Conkling
arrived hereon the early train this morning,
called at the Jones mansion about noon, and
was closeted with the President for at least three
hours. The nature of that conference, of
course, is entirely unknown, but those who
ought to know most about it say that Conkling
does wit for a moment contemplate taking any
place in the Cabinet, and that he only came to
give his friend the benefit of his advice in the
matter of the message that is to be sent to the
Senate on Monday, and with respect to the Cabi
net. There is. however, manifest a good deal
of rostiveness on tho part of some Republicans
at the fact that Senator Conklmg has arrived
here and is apparently acting in so conlideniial
% capacity.
THE SITITATIOX."
IT IS HAD.
Special Dispatch to Die Chieaoo Tribune.
■Washington, 1). C„ Oct. B.— The Senate does
pit meet until Monday morning, but the Demo
crats have already shown that all tho talk of
compromise was idle words. They revere Gar
lield’s memory, but they propose to take ad
vantage of his death. They will present reso
lutions eulogizing him us a statesman and
mourning him as a man, but they will make
haste to see to it on Monday morning that a
Democrat shall be placed in the direct line of
me Presidential succession. The Democrats
have not at this hour (8 p. m.) been able to
agree how far they will carry
THEIR GRAB GAME,
oat they have decided to steal the Presidency of
the Senate frftm the Republican party, and to
avail themselves of the fortuitous circumstances
which mate that grab of ollico possible.
This : much was decided in the Dem
ocratic caucus which began at 10 this
morning and continued until this after
noon. , What more is to be decided in the way of
seizing the minor offices of the Senate remains
to be disclosed by the proceedings of the ad
journed caucus, to be held this evening. The
Democrats met promptly in their caucus room
at 10 this morning. There was n pretty full at
tendance. The only absentees ;noted were
Slater. Grover. Farley, and Fair, from tho Paci
fic coast. Ransom from South Carolina, and
Dat id-Divis from Illinois, although tho Demo
crats by no means lay claim to the vole of the
latter In tho present contest. The first motion
was that the Democrats*
SHOULD INSIST UPON THE ELECTION OF A.
Presiding officer
of tho Senate to succeed Vice-President Arthur,
and Mr. Bayard was put in nomination as tho
party-cuusus nominee, and the motion was
agreed to without any considerable opposition.
Ultimately It was made unanimous. There was
one man who was very much disappointed—
Senator Harris, of Tennessee. He is the best
presiding ©nicer among the Democrats, and 13
popular. For that reason be expected to at
least have received some consideration. Mr
Bayard, on the contrary, has never had any ex
perience us a presiding officer, and is both deaf
and very short-sighted, two qualities which will
be very greatly to his disadvantage in the chair.
But he had the qualification of seniority, which
could not be overlooked with due recard to the
traditions of tho Senate, and ho bad, besides,
been a very prominent candidate for the Demo
cratic nomination for tho Presidency, and has
by no means abpjidoned such aspiration. It
was decided, of course, to elect him as President
of tho Senate before swearing in the three
Uepubtican Senators in waiting. There was
scarcely any argument upon that point, except
to refer to the clause of tho Constitution, which
declares that new Senators shall be sworn by tbp
presiding officer of the Senate, but the harmony
in tho Democratic caucus was disturbed when
THE QUESTION OF THE ELECTION OF A SKO-
KETAJtV OK THE SENATE
and of the swearing in of the three Republican
Senators was raised. The persistent office
grabbers desired to proceed immediately to the
election of a Sircretary before swearing tho
three Senators. By such a procedure they were
certain that they could elect a Democratic Sec
retary and Sergeant-at-Arms. AH their calcu
lations, of course, are based upon tho assump
tion that David Davis would vote with the De
mocracy. There was a very sharp division in
the Democratic councils on this point. Some
maintained that the party could not justify
Itself before tho country by any such desperate
device of partisanship, and that it was unjust to
keep three Republican .Senators, with their
credentials in their hands, waiting outside the
door until, for the sake of obtaining further
patrouage by the means of a majority which the
Admission of these Senators would destroy, a
Democratic Secretary and Scrgeant-at-Arms
could be elected.
PRECEDENTS
of all sorts were hunted up bearing upon the
point.. Countless volumes of iho
Globe were boruo to the committee-room .by
messengers, and it could be learned by those in
waiting outside that the debate was heated, and
that the spoilsmen were struggling hard for their
booty; There were some conservative men, or,
at least, there were some who had a better ap
preciation of public opinion, who Insisted that
.such a course would be a detriment to the partj,
and who recommended that, having secured iho
presiding officer and a possible President of tbo
"United States, it would be wisdom for the party
to elect a Secretary with a full Senate without
a wrangle, with concessions, it necessary, and to
leave the question of the distribution of commit
tees until next winter, after giving notice to the
. Republicans that the Democrats would then In
sist upon an equal representation upon them,
and then to adjourn. These questions went
over until the evening session.
MEANWHILE
the Republicans met in caucus at 10 o clock.
All of tho members were present with the single
exception of Platt, of Connecticut, who is seri
ously ill at home, aud who is paired with Fair, of
Nevada. .
The Republicans were in caucus but a short
time, and their deliberations consisted simply
Of a general discussion of the situation. Finally.
after an hour's informal talk, it was decided o
appoint a committee to confer with any com
niittee that the Democraticcaucustnigbc choose
o apooint to see whether any equitable
ana amicable arrangement could bo made
relative to the organization of the
Messrs. Edmunds, Logan, Allison,
erraan, and McMillen were appointed the mem
bers; ot that committee, and the Republicans
took a recess to await the report. The Demo
crats, being notified oC this fact, in turn au
pomted n coinuliitee consisting of Pendleton,
Garland, Voorhees, Pugh, and Davis ot West
irginia. The two committees met and were in
conference just flftccu minutes. Before pro
ceeding Mr. Pcndictoa said that
IT IVAS PAIR TO THE KEPiniMCAXS TO STATE
that tho .Democrats bad. already selected a can
didate for ibe Presidency of the Senate, and
that any conference could only lake into con
sideration the remaining utlicers connected with
the Senate. To this Mr. Edmunds, for the Re
publicans, replied that they were only author
ized to confer as to the organization of tno Sen
ate. He also stated, in connection with tno
selection of a Democrat to bo presiding oflicer
ot that body, that such uu act was to otter
a premium to some Democratic Guiteau or dan
gerous person to murder President Arthur for
tho purpose of placing tho Democrats in control
of tho Government. This statement has
EXCITED CONSIDERABLE COMMENT
among tho Democrats, and will probably bo
heard from hereafter in their speeches and in
their prints. The Democrats, who arc talking
about It tonight, speak as if It was a niece ot
assumption on Mr. Edmunds’ part to think that
any Democrat could possibly bo as base us Gul
toau was; but tho Republicans seriously con
sider that side of tho question, and view with a
great deal of apprehension the anomalous
condition in our politics of tho Administra
tion being controlled by the Republicans while
the only obstacle between the Democrats and
tho possession of power is the life of one man.
Tho Republieaae ommiitue returned to their
caucus chamber, and made them report, when
Senator Anthony was unanimously nominated
the Republican candidate for tho presiding of
ficer. he being tho oldest Senator in continuous
service, and adjourned to meet Monday at 10
o’clock. The Republicans
game to no conclusion
ns to the office of Secretary of tho Senate. Many
of them feci embarrassed by tho candidacy of
Gorham. Possibly they have intimated, if they
have not directly said, that they would not sup
port Gorham, even if he shonld be nominated
by their own caucus. Of course, if thej* shonld
carry out their threats, Mr. Gorham could not
bo elected, and, on account of this opposition,
some ol the Republicans tonight plainly say that
they would prefer that tho Democrats should
elect tho Secretary. Some of the latter say, how
ever, that they do not see any real necessity
of electing a Secretary before December.
It is learned that Senator Harris, of Tennessee,
who was the Democratic nominee fur President
of the Senate lust spring, is exceedingly indig
nant tonight that tho caucus passed him over
and selected Bayard for the place.
Tin: DEMOCRATS 11AVK AGREED
that Mr. Shober, tho Chief Clerk of the Senate,
shall cull the Senate to order, and it Is probable
that tho Republicans will not object to this.
The Democrats have also agreed to permit Mil
ler. tho New Turk Senator whose right to a seat
they have proposed to contest, to be admitted
prima facie on his credentials, and the question
whether or not his seat will afterwards be con
tested will remain an open one. Tho very prop
osition is farcical, and seems to meet with no
serious consideration from tho leading Demo
crats.
THE republican senators
arc very much dissaiistiod tonight at tho fact
that it seems impossible for them to prevent the
election of a Democrat as presiding officer of
the Senate. One leading Republican, and-he is
a type of alt the others, said tonight with re
spect to it : 14 1, for one. am willing to enter into
an agreement to make no pairs with the Demo
crats until ’Bayard is removed from that posi
tion and a Republican-elected in his place, if
necessary to accomplish this. I would enter into
a compact to refuse all pairs with every Demo
craticSenaior. and to watch tho ffrsi opportunity
when a single Democratic seat should be va
cant. so that the Republicans could have a ma
jority and secure a new election.
MIDNIGHT.
The Democrats at their adjourned caucus to
night were unable to come to an agreement as
to the petty spoils in the offices of the Senate,
which they are lighting for over tho President’s
grave. The night was devoted to bested de
bates, as most of the afternoon was. The only
question was whether the Democrats could
force Hie Senate, after the election of Mr. Bay
ard as President pro tempore, to elect a Secre
tary of the Senate, leaving the three Republican
voters at the door of the Chamber unseated, and
to the honor of tho Democratic party it should
be said that the greater number of the leading
men are outspoken in denunciation of this
course, particularly in view of tho effect which
they fear it will have upon the country. But
the radical clement of that party has thus far
always led it, and It is the radical clement
which, with heavy lungs and partisan appeals,
has been haranguing the assembled Bourbon
Senators today, and insisting that the grabbing
should not cense until the spoils arc gone.
THE COUNTHV OL'GIIT TO KNOW
tbnttbe lenders in this partisan business—in
tho.division of tho garments about the grave—
are* the voluble, smooth-tongued Mr. Joe
Brown, of Georgia. Mr. Cockrell, of Missouri.
Mr. Pugh. of Alabama, and to the surprise of
hi* friends it is also said, Butler, of South Caro
lina. It was evident that the wrangle could not
end tonight, and. ns the hour was growing late
and xnattv Senators were absent. It was decided
to adjourn tho Quarrel until Monday.
A PROMINENT DEMOCRAT,
speaking of the Democratic position, said to
ni-dif *• We have the constitutional majority,
created for us by the resignations of Gonklmg
and Platt, and by the death of Burnside, and we
propose to lake advantage of it. 'lt is a polit
ical right and dim*. Whui Mr. David Davis may
do it is not our concern. Wc have not to guide
our actions by his policy.**
THE REPUBLICAN STATEMENT TO THE
COUNTRY
To the Weatrm Associated Press.
Washington, D. C.. Oct. After adjourn
ment Chairman Senator Anthony prepared tho
following statement as tho Rcnublican version
of their efforts to agree upon a plan of orgunl-
been understood that several Dem
ocratic Senators had manifested n willingness
to confer with the Republicans upon tho situa
tion tho latter at their caucus today appointed
a committee of ftve-Messrs. Edmunds, Shor
mnn Allison, McMillan, and Logan—to conlci
with a similar committee of Democrats upon
the organization of the Senate. This was com
municated to the Democratic caucus,
whereupon the latter appointed Messrs.
Pendleton, Pugh. Garland, 'Davis (of
■\y Va), and Voorheea. Tne committees
met. and the Republicans were informed Hint,
before receiving notice of a desire for a con
ference, the Democrats had. upon deliberation,
determined that, under existing circumstances,
the Democrats would elect a President pro tem.
of the Senate, and that the Democratic Commit
tee were not authorized to confer with the Re
publicans upon that subject. As this decision
covered the most important of the points upon
which the conference was desired the Republic
an conferees withdrew, and, upon their report
of the facts, tho Republican caucus adjourned
to meet at 30 a. m. Monday?”
IT HAS BEEN WELL-KNOWN
that, as a result of informal conversation be
tween prominent Senators, both caucuses had
been called to meet at the same hour baturdaj
for the express purpose of a conference.
.. in the-democratic caucus,
Brown, of Georgia. lends in strongly advocating
tho election of a Secretary betore admitting
new Senators, arguing that- it is necessary to
complete the organization. The drill of senti
iiictii is growing in that direction. A propo.-i
--tion was discussed tonight to allow Anthony, as
the oldest Senator, to call the Senate to order.
a'meKepublionns imve assorted an intention
to dispute theri;.'lu of the chiei clerk to do so.
IT Id SAID THAT DAVID DAVIS
hits a candidate for the Secretaryship, a Hcpnb-
IR-an wounded soldier, who will be voted .or bj
the Republicans ouposod to Gorhmn. Tie
method to elect will be by resolution. The
manoerntie resolution that their caucus nomi
nee shall bo Secretary, will lad by a tie vote, as
will a resolution that Gorham lie elected.
Then a new man will he elected by the Re
publican vote and David Davis.
AMO.VG THE DIIECEDEXTS
mentioned in the discussion in the Democratic
Sucus today was that Conklins: was sworn m
. hi<lir<t reflection upon motion of Hannibal
Hamli when his credentials had not reached
" ashlitstoa, solely unon newspaner^statemcat
Georalu'has tho hfmUu the’racb as' Democratic
cuudelate fordecTc-tary. and L. Q. Washington,
of Virginia, iiext-
SEXATOR EDMUXDS
cats after the caucus adjourned, that the ac
prlS!; Uemoeralic "rare that the situation
wa[?ono.vhich demanded compromise. and the
ttusone wnicn omai j ttceo f Conlerence hiuj
suggesao Democrats, he had not counted
fro “suSti conference. U was
ol liri?in r< kecnlDg with Democratic methods to
« s^ss?
U S^vanfS
SSnSSSr. TteT Stood on their legal right to
THE CHICAGO TBiBURB: SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1881—TWKSTV-POIIK PAGES.
take the other ollices. Indeed, they had the
same kind of right to refer the credentials of
the new members to n committee and keep them
there alt winter. Politically, their net is an un
wise and unpatriotic one. They say to tho
country that they are willing to get power by
any means. They now offer a reward to any in
sane partisan who may think the country in
jured by the rule of tho Republicans to put an
end to it by slaying the President.
TUB ASS AS IX.
Tire CfKA.Ni) jurv in court.
Washington, I). C., Oct. B.—At 12:45 the grand
jury entered thqjCriminal Court room and pre
sented the Indictment against Guitenu.
THE INDICTMENT.
To ths Western Associated Press,
Washington, D. C m Oct. B.—Following is a
synopsis of the several counts of tno indict
ment against Guiteau presented to tho Grand
Jury today;
FIRST COUNT.
The grand jurors of the United States of
America, In and tor the county and district
aforesaid, upon their oath present that Charles
J. Guiteau, late of the county ami district
aforesaid, on tho second day of July, in the
year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-oue, with force and arms, at and in
the county and district aforesaid. In and upon
the body of one James A. Gariield. in tnc peace
of God and of the United States of America,
then and more being, feloniously, willfully, and
of his malice aforethought did make assault,
mid that said Charles J. Guiteau, with
a certain pistol of tho value of
$5, then and there charged with gunpowder and
a leaden bullet, which said pistol, he, the said
Charles J. Guiteau, in his right hand, then and
there hud and held, then and there feloniously,
willfully, and of his malice aforethought, did
discharge and shoot off to, against, and upon
said James A. Gariield: and that said Charles J.
Guiteau, with a leaden bullet aforesaid, out of
the pistol aforesaid, thou and there, by force of
tho gunpowder aforesaid, by Charles J. Guiteau
discharged and shot off as aforesaid, then and
there feloniously, willfully, and of his
malice aforethought, did strike, uenetnite. and
wound him, tho said James A. Gariield, in and
upon the right side of tho back of him. the said
James A. Gariield, glvitnr to him, tho said James
A. Garfield, then and there with a leaden bullet
aforesaid, so asaforesaid discharged and shot out
of tho pistol aforesaid, bysmid Charles J. Gui
teuu, iu and upon the right side of the back of
him, the said James A. Garfield, one mortal
wound of a detUh of six inches and of a breadth
of one Inch; which said mortal wound, he, tho
said Jaims A. Gariield,- from the said second
day of July In the year last aforesaid until tho
nineteenth day of September lit tho year of our
Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighty
one, at and in the county and district aforesaid,
did languish, nud languishing did live, on
which said nineteenth day of September
in tho year of our Lord one thousand eight
hundred and eighty-one. at and in the county
and district aforesaid, tho said James A. Gur
lleld, of the mortal wound aforesaid, died.
THE SECOND COUNT
is precisely like tho tlrst, with the exception of
the last clause, wnich reads: **OF-which said
mortal wound, he. the said James A. Garlicld,
then and there instantly died.”
IX TIII2 THIRD COUNT
tho hist clause is varied as follows: “Of which
said mortal wound, he. the said James A. Gar
lield, from tho said second day of July in tho
year last aforesaid, until the nineteenth day of
September, In tho year of our Lord one thou
sand eight hundred and eighty-one, as well at,
and in the county and district aforesaid, as at
and in the County of Monmouth end
Stale of New Jersey, did languish, and languish
ing did live, on which said luih day of Septem
ber, in the year of our Lord ISSI, at and in tho
County of Monmouth, and the State of New
Jersey aforesaid, the sai<i James A. Garlicld, of
the mortal wound aforesaid, died/’
the fourth count
is identical with tho third, except that it omits
the last twelve words of tho dual clause and
substitutes the following—to-wit: *• At and in
the County of Washington and District of Co
lumbia, suld James A. Garlicld, of tho mortal
wound aforesaid.”
FIFTH COUNT.
The only variation in tho fifth count is a
change in tho order of mention of the places
where death is said to have occurred, ibo Coun
ty ot Washington and District of Columbia be
ing put lirst.
the sixth count
is like tho third, except in reciting that tho of
fense charged was committed in the Baltimore
A* Potomac Railroad depot, in the City of Wash
ington, which building stands,-and at that time
stood, on the ground belonging toand under the
exclusive jurisdiction of tne United States.
THE ‘SEVENTH COUNT
repeats the recital of the sixth, with regard to
the place where tho offense was committed, and
in all other respects is like the fourth.
THE EIGHTH COUNT
also repeats the recital of the sixth with regard
to the plane where the assault occurred, and is
In all other respects like the lifth.
THE NINTH COUNT
is varied by the introduction of. a recital that
the district in which the offense charged was
committed constitutes a-judicial circuit of the
United Slates, and that the County of Mon
mouth mid Slate of New Jersey, where the said
James A. Garfield died, tonus part of a judicial
circuit of tho United States other than the judi
cial circuit of tho United Suites consisting of
the District of Columbia. In all other respects
this count is tike the third.
THE TENTH COUNT
recites that the district in which tho offense was
committed constitutes a judicial district of tho
United Stales, and that the State of New Jer
sey, within the limits of which tho said James
A. Garlicld died,constitutes a judicial district of
the United Suites other than the judicial dis
trict of the United Stales, consisting of the Dis
trict of Columbia, in other respects miscount
is like the one immediately preceding.
THE ELEVENTH AND LAST COUNT
is a reoelition of tho third, with the following
nddiuon: "Ami that thereafter— to-wit: on
the twenty-llrst day of September, in the year
of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and
eighty-one,-tho dead - body of him, said James
A, Garfield, was removed from said county of
Monmouth and Stale of New Jersey, and
brought into tho county of Washington and Dis
trict of Columbia, within which last-mentioned
county said dead body of him. the said . James
A. Garfield, lay and remained from tho twenty
first day of September, in tho year of our Lord
one thousand eight hunnred and elirhty-one,
until tho twenty-third day of September, in tho
year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and elghty-onc.”
EACH OF THE ELEVEN COUNTS
closes with the following formal charge: “And
so the grand jurors aforesaid do say that iho
said Charles J. Guiteau him. rho said James
A. Garfield, in tho manner and by the means
aforesaid leloniously.willfully, and of his malice
aforethought, did kill and murder, against the
form of the statute in such case made and pro
vided, and against the peace and government of
tho United States of America.”
MRS. cmiISTIAXCT
IN COURT.
Washington*, D. C., Oct. S.—Mrs. Christinncy
today testified in her own behalf in tho divorce
suit now pending. Not being a competent wit
ness as to the charge of adultery, her testimony
was confined to tho acts of cruelty as alleged in
her cross-bill. She testified that on one occasion
the cx-Senator struck her and knocked her
down, and once in Peru pushed her out of the
house and closed the door against her. In this
city, on a very cold night, he would not allow
her to have any clothing upon the bod. At an
other time he came to her bod, abused her,
pinched her, and used all sorts of violence. At
the Legation in Peru he assaulted her while
dressing. As be was striking her a gentleman
stopping in iho house overnight stooped into
the room, and came to her protection. After
that she refused to live wilb him longer, and a
few clays later left Peru for home.
TUB THIEVES.
DUDLEY TALKING SO AS NOT TO SAY MUCH.
Washington, D. C., Oct. B.—Col. 'Dudley, Com
missioner of Pensions, says, in relation to the
statement that a ring has been discovered in
volving a number of clerks In his ollice in ex
tensive pension frauds: “ L -wish to say that no
public ollicer was ever supported by a truer,
abler, or more honest, industrious, and efficient
corps of assistants than I am. and I have no
suspicion against the clerks entrusted with
handling claims, either as examiners, chiefs of
divisions, or reviewers. I hope to nut a stop to
nil dishonest practices in the prosecution of
claims. I can do so without unjust suspicions
of those under my direction. 1 prefer not to
talk concerning the case in band, but 1 wish to
remove the cloud of suspicion cast upon the
clerks.”
THE CABINET.
FORGER.
Special Dispatch to The Chicaoo Tribune.
Washington, D. C., Oct. B.—The indications
tonight arc that the Treasury portfolio will be
tendered by President Arthur to Judge Fohrer,
of Xew York, of the Court of Appeals, ■ the
gentleman who was Senator Conk ling's next
choice under the Garfield Administration, niter
it was found to be impossible to secure tho place
for Levi P. Morton. His name and record have
become known to the country on account of tho
prominence given to him ut that time. Those
who are as near to the President as anybody say
tonight that the probabilities are that Judge
Kolger will be the next Secretary of the Treas
ury.
THERCTS A RUMOR HERE,
which has been circulated with great persist
ence today, to the effect that ex-Sccretary Bout
well, of Massachusetts, has been tendered the
position of Secretary of mo Treasury, and has
declined it, but that his friends are still urging
him to reconsider his declaration. Those who
claim to speak for him say that he declined it
for two reasons—first, because there is no longer
any considerable opportunity for reputation in
tho Treasury Department, as all thogreut things
connected with the loans have Deen accom
plished: second, that Mr. Boutwcll now bolds a
satisfactory Government position—counsel for
the French-Amcrican Claims Commission—
which does not materially interfere with his
private practice, and that fortinancial reasons
he cannot afford to abandon his private prac
tice to resume tho duties of Secretary of the
Treasury.
IF THIS REASON IS TRUE,
it would show, of course, that President Ar
thur does not, intend to retain Mr. Blaine in his
Cabinet, for he certainly does not contemplate
having two Cabinet officers from Xcw England.
But the President is keeping bis own counsel
very successfully. The Senators who have
called upon him today say that they know no
more of bis purposes than they did before they
called. Some of them are somewhat uneasy
from that cause.
XOTES.
WALL STREET.
elveciat Dliwtch to The Chicago Tribune.
Washington, D. C., Oct. B.—The President has
already been subjected to pressure to relieve
Wall street by adopting a different policy as to
tbo redemption of some of the called bonds.
He today directed the Treasury officials to keep
him thoroughly posted as to all tho details ot
this movement, nud he has intimated to some
of his friends that ho does not consider it tho
nrovinceof tho Government, thrnntrh tho Treas
ury Department, to in any way assist the specu
lators ot Wall street, whether the money market
be easy or tiaht.
IT SHOULD RE UNDERSTOOD
that President Arthur is not tho iruost ot Sena
tor Jones. Finding the White House uninhabita
ble without extensive repairs necessary to make
it even ordinarily healthy, tho President looked
about him for a residence, and was offered by
Senator Jones a lease of tho Senator's handsome
mansion on New Jersey avenue, the wife and
family of Senator Jones belui- now in Nevada on
bis beautiful estate of Golden URL President
Arthur leased rho bouse, put his own domestic
establishment into It. ami- will occupy It until
the official residence can be put in order.
THE LATEST RUMOR AUOUT G EX. GRANT,
and it is doubtless a very absurd one, is that
either now or very soon he would accept the
position of Minister to Mexico from President
Arthur—that he would do this because ot his
iarpe business connections with Mexico and of
bis general interest in that country.
appointments.
To the Western Associated Press.
AVvshington, P. C., Oct. B.—President Arthur
to«]nv appointed o.l*. Clarke First Deputy Com-,
mlssioner of IVnsloiw, ftiulU. U. Walker to be
Depute Commissioner of Pension?. These ap
pointments have been made to carry out tho in
tentions of President Garfield.
AX IMPJJESSioX - AWM2AIL* -TO HAVE BECOME
<JL*ITE GENERAL
in unofficial quarters that there arc several
million dollars above tho usual reserve fund
locked up in tho Treasury Department. In
quiry at the Department today elicited intorma
tion to the clfect that there has been no unusual
locking-up of money. There have been but few
months during the lust two years In which the
available cash of the Treasury has fallen so low
as it is at present.
IIOWGATE
In tho Criminal Court this morning Capt. flow
gate was discharged from custody on-his per
sonal recognizance in tho sum of $-0,000.
THE WEATHER.
SIGNAL SERVICE.
Office of the Chief Signae Officer*
Washington - , D. C., Oct. I>—l a. m.—lndications
for the Ohio Valley and Tennessee, falrweather;
in Tennessee partly cloudy weather and rain: In
the Ohio Valley variable winds, higher barome
ter, stationary or lower temperature.
For the Lower Lake region, fair weather,
westerly winds, higher barometer, and lower
temperature.
For the Upper Lake region, fair weather,
northwesterly winds, higher barometer, and
lower temperature.
For the Upper Mississippi and Missouri Val
ievs, fair weather, except rain in the southern
portion of the former district, northwesterly
winds, higher barometer, and lower tempera
-111 The chief Signal Otliccr furnishes the follow
ing bulletin: • ,
The barometer is highest In Montana and low
est in tho Gulf of St. Lawrence. The tempera
ture has risen from Stoll degrees in Xew En
gland, from 4 to 7 degrees in the Middle Atlantic
States, and fallen from 2 to 11 degrees in tho
Lake region. Ituln has fallen In New England,
the Lower Luke region, and rbo Ohio Valley. A
rainfall of -.05 inches in the last eight hours is
reported from St. Louis. Tho winds in New
England, the Middle Atlantic States, and tho
Ohio Valley are southwesterly. “lirthlTLako re
gion they are westerly.
LOCAL OBSERVATIONS.
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and Instrumental error.
.Mean barometer.
Mean thermometer. Üb.a.
Mean humidity. 71.
Maximum temperature. reia.
Minimum teiuperuture.
GENERAL OIISKRVATIONS.
CiiiCACu, Oct. S—10:13 p. m.
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ST. PACT,, 'MINX’.
Special Dispatch to The Chicago Tribunt,
St. Paul, Minn., Oct. B.—The river is still ris
ing slowlv but surely, and Us gradual encroach
ment upon the Sixth Ward Hats is becoming
more and more perceptible. Already the spec
tacle presented forcibly recalls that of last
spring, especially toward the eastern and south
ern sections of the city. The water has already
found Us way into tbo cellars of many of tho
houses on tbo lowlands, and is now passing
through ravines made by tho Hood oppositJack
son and Robert streets last spring, and which
are now being deepened by tho rush
ing tide which has reached and passed
Fifth street, Several small houses have
been partially undermined and access to others
is gained only by wading, ns the tiopds entirely
surrounded them. In a few instances houses
have been already vacated by tho occupants,
who evidently believe tho worst has not been
reached, and accordingly made up their minds
not to be caught napping. The upper St. Paul
llats are covered, including that portion about
tho Stock-Yards, and access is cut off except by
the trestle leading to the yards. Should tho
rise continue thedaraagoupon the evo of winter
must be necessarily great and In a measure
irreparable, as tbo dwellings could hardly
be put in condition for habitation after the de
cline of tho water before tho advent of cold
weather. River-men think tonight, however,
that the water has nearly reached its bight, and
will begin to full in tho morning.
TKRRIFIC RAIN-STORM.
Special Dispatch to The Cliicago Tribune ,
Galena, 111., Oct. B.—A terrific rain-storm
prevailed early this morning between Wirly and
Woodman, VVis., completely Hooding tho low
lands in that section. Several miles of the nar
row-gage branch of the Chicago & Northwest
ern Road were badly washed, and three or four
small bridges and the abutment of one largo
bridge were swept away between Wirieyoud
Feutraorcv Three construction trains will leave
in the morning to repair the damage.
The greatest appetizer, stomach, blood, and
liver regulator ou earth—Hop Bitters.
The Brethren at Sycamore
Shocked by Thomas’...
Charges.
His Able and Documentary Use
of the Word “ Lying ” a
Bombshell.
Tiro Bishop Unwilling- to Squelch
Any Charge So Painfully
Direct.
Proceedings Before the Council of Fif
teen, Sitting as a High Court
of Heresy.
rrouoimced Ellect of the Crcat Speech
of the Accused Before the
Tribunal.
Address of Dr. Miller, Counsel for
the So-Called Heretical
Theologian.
The Effort Half-Justificatory and Half-
Apologetioal, with a Crack
at Parkhurst.
Thomas Is “Manly, Loving, Gentle, but His Theo
logical Knowledge Is Held iu
ALL THE BRETHREN GRAD TO FIND OCT
WHAT IS GOING ON.
Special Dlxpatr/i to Diz C/iicaao Tribunr.
Sycamore, Oct. B.—Tut: Tribune, containing
the full text of Dr. Thomas’ charges against
BrotherParkhurst, and the exclusive informa
tion as to what the special committee would
recommend, and also what the conference
would do in tho mutter, reached here about U
o’clock this forenoon, and it was not man}*
minutes before a largo number of tho brethren
.were deeply immersed in its pages, notwith
standing the conference bad not adjourned, and
tho Bishop was delivering a very instructive
lecture on Mormonism.
TUB BRETHREN WERE VERY MUCH SHOCKED
at tho directness of tho nllidavUs, on which was
bused the Doctor’s complaintnguinst his leading
prosecutor, and, while they pronounced it a ter
rible indictment, they hoped Brother Parkhurst
would be able to satisfactorily disprove it. The
laymen, who largely sympathized with tho so
called heretical Doctor, clapped choir hands with
some glee, and tho members of tho legal pro
fession, who as a rule
DENOUNCED THE PROSECUTION
as haying been conducted with comparatively
less decency and dignity than a tcn-cent larceny
case in a police-court, wondered how the prose
cuting Doctor would like u heroic dose of the
medicine he bos been administering for several
weeks.
SIDK XOTKS
AN‘l> CORRECTIONS.
Sperirl DU'jdteh to The Chicago TrOune.
Svcamouk, ill., Oct. B.—Your correspondent
endeavored to hold an interview with Dr. Park
burst, for the purpose of obtaining a full out
line of his proposed defense, but be absolutely
declined. He bud seen the complaint as nub
llsbed, but had not read it closely, and would
not disturb himself much about it until tn«
charges were formulated and presented to tho
conference, its was ruled by the Bishop should
be done by Dr. Thomas. At the adjournment of
the court _ • •"-■ •'
tub REPORTER INTEP.ROGATED dr. THOMAS
as to what ho would do in iho matter of pre
ferring the formal charges. He replied that he
had been too busily engaged with his own de
fense to think about the matter, fie had sub
mitted the complaint to tho conference with
the intention of leaving tho question of Park
hurst’s credibility with it for such action as it
inhrhtsee lit to take. Tho reporter suggested
that the Bishop had ruled that tho charges must
be formulated and presented to the conference
or the complaint withdrawn. To this the Doc
tor replied that, as soon as hi? own case was dis
posed of, be would consult with his friends, and
if then the conference insisted that the charges
should be formulated by him he would probably
do so.
Vet JViu\Weather
as far as he was concerned, he thought he had
done his dutv In tho mutter. He did not desire
to bring It before tho conference in the shape
even ot a complaint, but, as Ur. Parkhurst had
refused to do him justice, and Presiding Elder
Mandeville had declined to challenge Parkhurst
at the time his name was called for the passing
of his character, no other course was left open
to him.
ANOTHER QUESTION OF VERACITY
has arisen, which, while It may not be called of
ficially tu tho notice of tho conference, has
given rise to no little gossip. It will be remem
bered that it was stated In these dispatches that
BrotherMaudeville had promised to call Brother
Parkhurst’s attention to the alleged interview
printed in a Chicago paper in which tho latter
accused Thomas of beer-drinking, card-playing,
and theatre-going. This was to have been done
on the cal! of the preachers’characters. Brother
MandcvHlc savs he never made any promise to
do so, and, further, he asserts that Stoughton
told him that he (Stoughton) did not state to any
one that any such promise hud been
made. Dr. Thomas has several times
stated that he was told by Stoughton
that Mandeville naa promised to do so. There
is a misunderstanding somewhere, and tho
brethren do not dwell In tho peace and harmony
which is so good to bohold-
CONSLDERABLE SPECULATION
is being indulged in, not as to tho general re
«ultot tho Thomas trial, for tho opinion is al
most unanimous that tho defendant will be
found guilty, but on the staud.ngof tho court
when the verdict is rendered. Some jocular al
lusions have been made to ** eight to seven, and
the prosecution wins." but the prevailing
opinions are **nine to six" and “ten to five m
favor of conviction on all tho counts.
"the coxeekexce.
PROCEEDINGS.
Svecial Disvatch to The Chicago Tribune.
Sycamore, 111., Oct. B.—The conference re
sumed its labors this morning at 9 o'clock, and
the Question was asked: Who are deacons of
the second class? and tho characters of Brothers
Lovejoy, Antes, Hilton, Thornton, Howard,
Krydcr, and Irving were passed, and all were
raised to the second class except tho last-named,
who continues in his last relation because of his
failure to appear before the committee.
The fourteenth question, W’hat traveling
deacons have been elected? next came up. The
characters of George Chase. Frank M. Bristol,
Delos M. Thomson. S. H. Swartz, and Fletcher
Pomeroy were passed, and they were elected to
Elder’s orders.
Tnc tenth question. What local preachers have
been elected Deacons? was tho next business.
Brother Funner Dickens (a nephew of the late
Charles Dickons), Jones, Crawford, Harkncss,
Merrill, Lee, Merritt, Breen, Pickell. Xazariu,
Jaycox, and McLaughlin were called up and
Introduced to the conference, their characters
passed, and they duly elected.
Brother Sunderland was also elected by special
dispensation.
Dr. Fowler asked for the appointment of a
special committee ot three to consider tho rc
liuest of Brother Biackstono for a steam yaent
to bo used in mission labors in China.
Brother Wilcox, who was raised to an Elder
ship this moraimr, was ordered to tho Chinn
mission. ' '
Tho order o<* the day was the selection ,of a
place for holding tho next conference, and the
First Church, Aurora, was unanimously choaen.
The Secretary announced that the expenses
of the conference were about soo, ana tho
usual collection was taken.
Druthers Pape. Van Horne, and Dandy were
appointed a committee to audit all claims
against tho conference.
tub CHARGES AGAINST PAP.KnCRST.
The committee to whom was referred the
nancr of Hiram W,Thomas in complaint against
PartmiSt leave to report the fol
l0 -‘ That! Brahe Judgmentof the eommluce. tho
said paper Is of a character to require tbo fur
ther action of tho conference. indicate
The Bishop—The committee is to Indicate
what further action it requires. |rt di{l
Rrother Baum stated that the ui
not feel like making any rL-comraemladon . Ho
would move that the papers m tho cast, he re
HERESY.
Lillie Esteem.”
THE “TRIBUNE.”
PERSONALLY,
A METHODIST YACHT.
ferred to the Presiding Elder where the Hev. 51.
M. Parkhurst is stationed for further investiga
tion.
Dr. Parkhurst—l have a word to say about
this matter. Tbecharges which were presented
to tho conference yesterday, and which I have
not seen and only know tho contents as a mutter
of gossip and rumor, were sent to Chicago and
published in all tho morning papers. However.
I don’t want this matter referred to the Presid
ing Eider.
I DON’T WANT it HANGING OVER ME.
[Applause.] I am ready for business now.
[Cries of •♦Good!’’]
Brother Foster—l move, as a substitute, that
the coufercnco appoint a committee to pro
ceed immediately to th« trial of tho case.
The Bishop—ls Dr. Thomas present?
No reply.
The Bishop—lt Is obligatory on him to formu
late tho charges.
If any of the brethorn should see Dr. Thomas,
they wdl notify him.
Brother Proctor—Dr. Thomas has stated that
he will not present charges. He has made his
complaints to the conterencc, and tho confer
ence can do as It sees tit.
The Bishop—He muse formulate the charges
or withdraw them.
Tho Uev. Foster wanted to know If it was hon
orable foramemberof tho conference to spread
broadcast on two occasions the charges which
he was about to prepare for the conference.
The Bishop—
THAT 15 A QUESTION OF TASTE.
[Laughter.]
Brother Linebargcr then presented tho report
of tho Committee of Bible Cause, in which he
spoke in eulogy of tho labors of the colporteurs
in China.and Japan, and in other foreign coun
tries. He hoped that the charges In tho conler
ence would not neglect tho claims of the Bible
societies, and increase the annual subscriptions.
Tho report was adopted.
MORMONISM.
Brother Meredith read a long paper, the re
port of the Special Committee on the Social,
Political, and Keligious Fabric of Mormonism.
which he compared to the “ Thuggism ” of
India, and asked for the appointment of a com
mittee of-five to work with a like committee
from other bodies in memorializing Congress for
its abolition.
The Bishop thought the statement in tho re
port that polygamous marriages during
the past eight months were more
numerous than at any time before was
too strong, and this opinion was not warranted
by the facts. He was in Utah for some time,
and from all tho information hecould gather
polygamy was bn tho wane wherever it came in
contact with the Gentiles, fie believed that
many Mormons would be willing to abandon the
polygamous system. Tho Mormons are having
trouble with tho young women, who, by contact
with a better civilization, are very much op
posed to them. Polygamy only maintains itself
where there are no Gentiles. The Mormon mis
sionaries in tho Scandinavian countries and
Switzerland do not say to tho natives anything
about the {yoiyganmus features of their system.
They talk of'me revelation from God. and ex
pound the theory and place of the new Pales
tine. and in glowing terms contrast the fertility
of Utun with the bleak hills of Xorway and
Sweden. Hence it is not strange that they
fascinate the people of tho Northern climates.
The Bishop related at some length the trials and
tribulations of some young Norwegian girls
who had been brought out to Utah on a promise
of getting a husband, only to llud that the hus
band hud already two or three wives.
Polygamy was not originally a part of the Mor
mon creed, but it is now tho great element of
its existence. This makes it ditlicult for tho
Government to bundle the polygamous feature
of Mormondom. because they claim it to be a
feature of their religion, and it Is protected by
the Constitution of tboUnited States. Tho Gov
ernment must take the stand that polygamy can
no more be allied to religion than cun murder or
adultery. In this way tho Government
can successfully attack Mormonism. The
Bishop then went on to explain tho sys
tem of “sealing.” and how tho Mormons
evade the United States laws against polyamy
by all sorts of deception and lying. Tho objec
tionable features of tho report, as to tho num
ber of polygamous marriages, was stricken out.
Dr. Fowler thought it was tho province of the
Church to create public opinion, and he hoped
even* pulpit would be thrown open to a con
demnation of the terrible evils of Mormonism.
The report was then adopted.
A messenger was sent to secure tho presence
of Dr. Thomas, who had not put in an appear
ance during the morning.
Pit. CUMMINGS,
President of the Northwestern University, was
Introduced to the conference, and gave his‘ex
perience as a Methodist minister engaged in the
educational work. He felt gratified at tho pros
pect of the university over which he presided.
He believed that only true instruction was to bo
found where it was associated with a str:ct re
ligious and moral discipline. There is an able
Faculty In the university, and an increased
number of students. While the institution has
large expectations, yet its immediate useful
ness could be helped if it had tnoro
present pecuniary resources. Gov. Evans
has promised to pay S2S,OCD of tho
first £loo,Oi K) debt and S2S,tWO towards
the second, if the lirst be wiped out. There
wore promises of an.additional $25.0(10, .and ho
honed that the conference would not be back
ward In intluencing.substantial aid to tho insti
tution. ’
Dr. Hitchcock—l move that tho minutes be
now read for correction.
The Bishop—
THKIIE IS A MATTER OP SOME IMPORTANCE
before tho conference. Dr. Thomas bus pre
ferred a complaint against a brother, and the
same was referred to a committee, who hud re
ported. There is a court to bo appointed, but it
cannot be done until lam put in possession of
tho charges. *
A brother—l notified Dr. Thomas to formulate
his charges. . .
Another brother—Dr. Thomas has been in tho
conference since action was taken on tho com
plaint. _
The Bishop—That may be, but Dr. Thomas
must be legally informed of tho desire of tho
conference. Until we get the charges we can
not appoint the committee. If tho Doctor does
'not conic in it wilt throw tho matter over till
Monday, and that will prolong our session.
Dr. Hitchcock—l renew my motion for tho
reading of the minutes, and if Dr. Thomas
should come in we can suspend tho reading.
Dr. Thomas did not come in during tho read
ing of tho minutes, and tho conference ad
journed at 12 o’clock.
THE INQUISITION.
THOMAS ON - TIIM STAXI).
Special Dispatch to The Chicago Tribune.
•Sycamore, 111., Oct. S.—The EccleMsistlcal
Court resumed Its session this • afternoon. the
Moderator in the chair. ,
Dr. Thomas was placed on the stand in his
own behalf, and testified that he did not say that
tho death of Christ wits that of a martyr. Ho
held that not only In saving tho world Ho died,
but He died to save tho world. In other words,
he did not hold to tho martyr-atonement theory.
He thought he never said that no man in his
senses could believe tho whole Bible. The
most he could have said would have been that
no thoroughly-informed man could believe that
tho whole Bible, as wo have it. was verbally in
spired or critically infallible. Ho never said
that the Methodist Church must throw over
board a good part of the Old Testament or it
would sinK her. He never believed auysuch
thing, and could not have said it
** Is your answer from memory, or from tho
moral Impossibility that you cou could have said
it:-"
From tho nature of the case, not reinvMMtier
ing the conversation, I can rally allirm that it
seems to me wholly impossible that I should
muito such a statement.”
** Did you say at a preachers meeting that
Christ tiled to reconcile man to God.
XOT (iOI> TO MAS?”
•• I asked Dr. Ilnimister If the Scriptures any
where taught that the death of Christ was to
reconcile God to man.’*
What did Dr. Uaiinister say to that;
Objceted to. , ,
•• 1 did not mvsolf express any opinion on tho
subject. I simply asked that question-
Dr. Sillier—The conversation ought to bo
brought in, ought it not?” .
The Moderator—ln some cases, perhaps, but
we are not trying Dr. Itanniater.
Dr. Miller—lt is charged that you preached
against the llfth article on tho inspiration of tho
Is this a question?
Dr. Miller—Xo. It Is a preliminary.
Dr. Hatfield —Coaching. ■ ,
Dr. Thomas—l never denied that the Script
ures contained the Wort of God. I never dis
puted the eanonieitv of tho i’Ooks in the llt'h
article. I never made it a special study. I felt
content to accept tho hearing of others as possi
ble the best result that could be reached. Of
course I have known that some of the books
have been in dispute, and may have referral_to
that subject in some sermon, but have net or
denied the canoniclty as commonly accepted.
Dr. Miller—Now, I will 11ml out
HOW SOCNTJ YOU AUK ON" THE ATOXKMF.XT.
In your teachings what have you held to be tho
irrnund of moral obliinifion. .
Dr Thomas—l should say that, prlmarUj. or
in its last analysis, tho ground of monil oollira
tion is found in tho absolute nature
.. Is tho existence of sin one of a state of pun
ishment compatible with tho holy nature of
G DrrHatfleld-I really don’t know whether to
n- Thomas —I should say not.
•• Do you hold that iborc needs bo somethin,
to reconcile this incompatibility.-
•• Ves. 1 do."
Tii'pJrilhurst— 'This has *one far enough. It
Is not conllned to rebuttlmr testimony. I J'hJect.
The Moderator-1 would suggest to the de
fense to eontiue Its questions as dose as possi
blnr Thomas—That somethin* is In tho deepest
two answers bo
taken.
Ur. Miller—
THAT COXCT.UDES OUB TESTIMOM.
Ur. Parkhurst—la tho Kev. J. M. Caldwell in
the house
There was no. response, and Dr. Hatfleld went
out in pursuit of him. and the court took a
brief recess.
The Kev. J. M. Caldwell presently made hU
appearance, and the court resumed.
Dr. Parkhurst —William Caldwell is placed
upon the stand in rebuttal of tho defendant,
will tho clerk please road Dr. Coldavell’s testi
mony on tho Drst Investigation?
Thetestimouy was read once more, and Park
burst asked:
•* Dr. Caldwell, will you tell the court why you
are so positive In your testimony on the word-*.
‘The Atonement was to reconcile man to God
not God to man?*”
•* Because* the discussion awakened popular
interest on the subject 5f the atonement, and i
preached on the subject the next Sabbath, and
have mr manuscript still, and in my sermon I
referred to that form of expression without re*
ferring to the man, explaining wherein .
1 THOUGHT IT WAS HERETICAL.”
The Clerk then read the testimony of th<
witness on tho situation at the lime tho Doctoi
made use of the expression on the atonement.
Dr. Parkhurst—why did you cull it a forma;
and lengthy speech ot Dr. Thomas ? *
“ Because, when tho meeting closed, I cam*
down-stnlrs with Brother Adams and remarked
to him that Dr. Thomas had evidently and ape
cilically prepared the si>ecch to set forth hi*
views of this theory of the atonement, anc
Brother Adams was of tho same opinion—that
it was a specially-prepared speech.”
“Was ir in tho form of a general conversion
with the preachers sitting in their chairs?”
“Tho discussion was by no means In that
form.”
“ Did Dr. Thomas arise and address tho Chair,
in the usual form of a speech at the preacher's
meeting’?”
“ He did, and at considerable length.”
“ Is there any regular time in practice for tho
length of those discussions?”
“There Is none, practically, when tho discus
sion is interesting.”
,•* How lung were these discussions on the
atonement continued—l mean at each session’?”
“From about 11 or 11:15 till 1 o’clock.”
Cross-examination—“ What was the Uatu of
this meeting?”
“ About two years ago last spring.”
“Can yon give the exact date?”
“I cannot. It was in -March or April—March,
I think.”
JOHN NATE
a new witness, was next introduced In rebuttal.
He testified that be-attended the preachers*
meeting two years ago lust spring, when Dr.
Thomas spoke on the atonement. At that meet
ing, after the first address. Dr. Thomas said:
“Christ did not die to reconcile an angry God to
man, but to reconcile man to God.”
Cross-examined—Bishop Merrill delivered tno
opening address at tho meeting, of which ho
could not remember the exact date.
The prosecution here rested, and Dr. Miller
wished toolfcr a lot of documentary testimony
of a rebuttal character, consisting of tho re
ports of tho Chicago investigation, as they ap
peared in the Chicago papers; also, the reports
in tho XortlnreMcrn Christian Adiutvat”. ul>-
Jccted to. Objection sustained and exception
taken- •
Both sides having closed their case. Brother
Parkhurst addressed the court in behalf ot tho
prosecution. He said tliut the defendant bail
been charged with leaching doctrines contrary
to those of the Church. No testimony had been
introduced by the prosecution which did not re
late to one or tho other of the charges.
THE COUNSEL THEN REVIEWED THE EVI-
• : i»::nck
as presented in Dr. Thomas* sermons, In his
conversation with preachers, ami members of
the church. After having read extracts from
the sermon relating to future punishment,
he then asked if they contained good,
sound Methodist doctrine. ' If it be
there is no apology needed for thu Lnt
versallst Church. There is not a member
of the committee who bits not preached the
terrible truth that when men die Impenitent
they are forever lost, and they did not think
they were destroying tho character of God
thereby.
DR. THOMAS THEN AROSE,
and, with richly-modulated voice. In which
there was just the slightest suggestion of sad
ness, musically—it was throughout in the minor
key—he proceeded Co read his argument, in
which be at great length and In unmlstakubio
language defined his religious views. Once in a
while ho diverged from the reading to
pay his respects to tho sleuth-like persist
ency with which ho bad been snarled at,
barked at. and hunted by his persecutors. Ju
language us polished as that.of Junius, and with
a bitterness of satire which was so delicately
shaded us to cut deep into anything having less
than an alligator’s hide, he replied to tho slurs
that bad been east upon his ministry, his ser
mons, . and his honestly-expressed tho»>-
logical views. Tho plea Is to bo found
- other columns of this journal,
its peroration was exceedingly affecting, and
many in tho vast audience were moved to tears,
while others sobbed audibly. When no bad tiu
!«hed and left tho platform a few of the breth
ren grasped him warmly by tho bond, and as ho
walked down tho aisle after tho adjournment of
the court he was warmly congratulated by
many of the lavmen. who. tor upwards of an
hour, sat spellbound under his eloquent pleud
lng.£or divorcing tho Gospel of Christ from tho
chains of a narrow ccclesiusticlsm.
AFTER A RECESS OP NEARLY TWO HOURS
the court reassembled, and, after prayer by
llrother Cody, Or. Miller, of counsel for the de
fense, began his argument, and said that tho
llaming headlines over somo of the published
sermons of Dr. Thomas might lead some people
to believe that ho was Indulging in heresy.
The idea that tho people in the country want
to read tho sermons m tho Monday editions of
the newspapers is regarded both in the country
and in tho city as a good joke. The people
don’t want to read them. They saw the
ilamingheadlines, and at once concluded that the
Doctor was preaching heresy. Tho speaker, on
reading some of those sermons, was pleased to
dm! not a trace of heresy in them. When tho
speaker was flrst asked to take part in the trial,
he examined a published volume of Dr. Thomas
sermons, and found
NOT AN IOTA OF HERESY,
While there were many things that neither bo
nor u prominent theologian, now one of tho
Itishops, did not believe in, yet they did not imd
anything in the sermons that wus here
sy against the teachings of tho Meth
odist Church. Tho heresy was only a
the headlines over tho sermons in
the Chicago churches. Tho Doctor is a preacher,
not a theologian, and It is time that tho Church
made tho distinction. The Doctor Is a man of
heart ana not of analytical power. Ho is also a
man of exuberant language, and this the prose
cution have admitted, because they passed by
his logical efforts and lit upon tho gushing
language of a funeral sermon. That sermon,
which alluded to what he had been preaching,
was made the basis of the heretical charges. Iho
speaker understood that' a Jllshop bud
told the prosecution that the Doctor
could not be convicted on Ws
sermons, and then tho latter picked up
ments of alleged conversations which tho hear--
S 5 honestly. l no doubt, related, but. us they
were not theologians, they were yerj apt to
misunderstand thorn. Some of his fr.ends may
have overpersuaded him to allow the publica
tion of these peculiar teachings, and no doubt
many of those triends have
FNACmERATKD THE PECULIARITIES
widen, while differing from loose of bis brethren
in his ministry, were not hostile to Methodist
doctrine. Ho may have depleted the eoegrega
tions of other churches, and this might not be
pleasing to those preachers wh o have a
liking for Chicago pastorates. fee nrst
charge specilies preaching against the Inspira
tion of parts of the Bible. He has preaened
that the Scriptures contain all that Is necessar>
to salvation. The Doctor has novcrdoubtcd the
cailonicity of tho books or Scripture. Tho
Doctor's srateinent that some of tho books were
not verbally inspired is founded on the best
critical scholarship of tho age. Dr. MiUer «toti
read extracts, from the works of Adam Clark, to
show that even he did not believe that nil tho
books were of-erpial Inspirutlon- Tbesv weru
followed with extracts from 1 ope s ItiLOlogy.
and then the Doctor proceeded with
ment, hewing ituite close to the line ef that ho
made in'behalf of tho defense at tho Chicago
investigation.
OIL milixi: UF.r.ATF.n TUB HISTOiar OP a
iiki:k*v TIDAL ..
in which a preacher named Warren was imPii-
Stel. In his .ielcmu liu thoroughly showi'l
that he <U<l not diller(romA(hiniCUirk, Mid theni
the prosecution suddenly teased Its lubor.Aflcr
conMderimr the precarious character of Dr.
I'arkhurst’s testimony it Is easy cnoujrh to^seo
that there was iin object for him to
he did. lie bits been on Dr. Thomas track .or
ten years. .. ..
Dr. Farkhunft— ** fc It s false. . -
L)r Miller—Jt’s a fair Inference from the dr
cumstiiuces. [Applause.] Dr. Parkburst Bbou «i
have hi- 3 memorandum-book now, for be Is likely
to want it. [Smiles.] It Is a matter of common,
information amonif theolotrlans that the. fccrips“
ures are equally inspired In all the books. ,
lic-al criticism had made a wonderful advance
durlmr the past thirty years M this century.
The Devised Testament 13 a standluir cxample.
Thcoloirians and Biblical scholars differ as to
wnethor Job ever lived or not. but they do aifrc*
that tho book is an inspired poem, tho speaker
knew few Methodist preachers who believed in
Till: PENAL THEOItV OF THE ATONEMENT.
Jt was a legacy of Calvinism, and from this tho
speaker went on to explain tho difference bt.-
tween Calvlntstlc and Armlnlan 6ub-»litu non.
Keconciiiatlon was toe bone o. conlention-
Wbeu Dr. Thomas denied the reconciliation of
God, he simply denied the penal theory. Ho
preached the Armlnian idea, which was baaed
on the parental theory. From this point on tho
defen 3 o dipped In deeper Into the mysteries of
theolojo*. and rivet**! the close attention of alC
the ministers. Including tho prosecutor and the
Moderator, while he analyzed the differentia
tions of the doctrine of the atonement. The
counsel next examined tho charge
injr probation after death, and thereby denj
tmr endless punishment. The articles of religion,
are tho standards of doctrine. W hat is a creed,
and what elves it a standard character/ Assent
to it makes it standard. A preacher can bo ex
pelled for not believing the Articles of Reliifioa,
but
A MEMBER CANNOT BE
for doing the same thing. Xone of tho standards
Involve tho doctrine of endless punishment.
The catechism Is not a standard of religion* be
cause no one In theCburcb ever takes an obliga
tion to believe what It, contains. Tba
catechism Is a good boot when rightly
u-»cd, a harmful one when useu wroogi>-
When Dr. Thomas la turned, out for
not believing lu the catechism the Church dc»
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