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WILMINGTON, DEL., WEDNESDAY. SEPTEMBER 15,1875.
ONE CENT.
ASHINGTON.
S FROM THE CAITTaL
TrMUiiy Balaneei.
LiN-(i ton, Sept. 14.—The following
[iiancial Exhibit of the Treasury at
|e of business. Currency, $2,502,194;
leposit of legal tenders for redemp
[certificates of deposit, $66,425,100;
18,280,922, including coin certificates,
LOGO; outstanding legal tenders, $374,
csigiiation »l' a Collector.
ilNGTON, D. C., Sept. 14.—The ro
of Charles J. Kenney, Collector
nal Revenue, for the Sixth District
oc, lias beeh received and accept,
hie Secretary of the Treasury, and
kreen lias been reccomraended for
ient to fill the vacancy.
| Tile Safe Bn/glary.
IlNGTON, Sept. If.—The evidence
I Baltimore, yesterday, of witnesses
Is city leaves no doubt that the man
| as the person who personated
| in becoming hail for the burglar
Is the right man. He was released
I the connivance of officials here, and
liv seems little doubt but thathc was
iiccause ho knew too much about
[burglary.
In
les
L-h in MlHSlaslppi Growing
[ Worse - .
Iington, Sept. 14.—The ^ational
Inre here has information which is
I lo ha reliable, that affairs in Mis
nre much worse than the Govern
[s been led to believe by-the dis
lly io the communication mentioned
dispatches on Sunday night as hav
p sent by a special messenger to the
pt at Long Branch, (he President re
ferring tlie whole question relative
cd trouble iu Mississippi to the
lv General for settlement.. The lat
lelegraphed to Goyernor Ames for
investigation on tl'S subject and
k receive a. reply to-day.
Hi
tdcgraphic Dsj a 'chat are furnished to
iting Herald, by the American Tress
I on, over the Atlantic ami Pacific
mic Co's wires.
I Tile Weather Te-day.
ftcw England, and the Middle Atlan
Is, dear or partly cloudy and warmer
IrfffWiiy the day with Easterly to South
and slowly falling Barometer,
I by increasing cloudiness and threaten
|n|- during the night.
buffet and the UoiiapartistB.
Ion, Sept. 15.—A special despatch
Iris to the Daily Kcm reports tbat
Ititutional party in France have re
l force M. Buffet lo break openly
Bllonaparlists at the next meeting
Bnriuncnt Committee, or to convene
Miibly before the appointed time.
ted Murder and Suicide In
New York.
ork, Sept. 15.—William Krulder
1 to shoot his wife at her residence
lyn this morning, and then blew
brains out..
? ball just grazing her head. They
separated for some time.
His wife was unin
h Sentence of a Murderer.
b tfh, N. Y., Sept. 14.—The trial
-lark, who shot Wcner,the bank
", on the night of flic 2d of July
al tin's noon. Thcs jury were out
hours,. when they brought in
r guilty of murder' In the first de
,( lgc Srnitli sentenced Clark to be
6:h of November.
~ -— -
n Arrest for Forgery.
NATI,
former cashier of the Fourth Na
llk °F this city, was arrested yes
the charge of forgery, made b?
- Keyes, a broker wlio' had charge
speculations of Mr. Ritchie's
-ago. The complaint charges
hie forged Mr. Charles Daven
une to 300 shares of Western
legraph stock.
IBs I.Lulled Express,
^ c 'Pt- 14.—The limited mail
be Pennsylvania Railroad arrived
o'clock this A. M.,'making the
N'w.y ork to this point in twenty
, thus saying to business
D'ing day bn. the. trip from New
-hicagtn, Tho 7 cWursionists to-day
'g I ho city,-vi»iting/tjie Board of
a
Sept. 14.—Robert
N.
oil
U'S
men one
blic
bare hop*-.Wits.-evening fomSt:
<*• *'»'••• V \k{ fieuirll
.- . .".''At' .;»< Me. v e i
LN 'Vrj, 8e.pft'i)14iq«*Tl» fe s t wail
heel lug WitJlJ^li^]t*ebji"syTv*aiii|aRaft
ii p t8hueg )V Rfii*eft. ab 'CreiffiiW.oit'
" aynfe "ii^Sftfeigo', Baiij;c«ia^j't
" ,l lf.Vl«fttbj(j <) Viif'tlie Pan-HaUdie
f at>4l ;£ 0 , bothpn time,. .
frTfie ( -faift ; '4il5ffl >
7 .aajicj
^9#««5 off,teliedfule time.i
a.tar
From Europe.
London, September 15.—A despatch
from Bucharest says that a discovery has
been made of a plot originating in that city
and criminating a number ofprominent per
sons to overthrow Prince Charles, and pro
claim Prince Milan as the reigning Prince.
Don Carlos still on the War Path.
Bayonne, Sept. 15.—Don Carlos yester
day reviewed the battalions upder command
of General Dorregaray and made an address
to the men. He said he was determined to
continue the war, and he hoped to yet hoist
his banner w'ithin the wafts of Madrid.
Saved From the Mendota.
Buffalo, Sept. J4.—A private despatch
received by a party here to-night from
Oconto, Mich., says : I am safe ; will he in
Chicago to-morrow, signed W. S. Crasth
waite. This reduces the loss of life by the
foundering of the Mendota, and it. is believ
ed others have been saved with Mr. C. When
last seen on the lake, Mr. C. was floatingon
a wheel house and several others were with
him. He could not have reached Oconto so
soon if lie had not been picked up very
soon after the disaster.
Frobolilc State Ticket.
New York,' Sept. 14.—A special from
Syracuse says that the delegates to the Dem
ocratic Convention, arriving slowly, only
about 25 of the 400 Delegates are in Town,
■it is said that the following is not impro
bable : Secretary of State, John Bigelow,
of Orange county; Comptroller, Lucius
Robinson, of Cheftiing; Attorney General,
Charles Fairchild, of Albany; Treasurer,
Edgar K. Apgar, of Tompkins; Canal Com
missioner, D. O. Salmon, ofOnondagua;
Engineer and Surveyor, Horatio Seymour,
Jr., of Oneida ; Prison Inspector, Gen. Zcnas
C. Priest, of Herkimer.
Terrible Itailroail Accident.
Montreal, Sept. 14.—Reports have been
received here of a serious accident on the
Grand Troup, at tho small town of New
Hamburg, Ont., a train going East got or
ders at Shakespore to cross the one going
West at tliis station. The engineer suppos
ing the main track clear came up while the
switchman was switching, and the train
struck four or five cars on the main trackf
Alexander Miller, engineer was instantly
killed and the fireman received serious in
juries, from whidi he has since died.- Some
of the cars loaded with cattle were smashed
and the animals terribly mangled, hut few
escaping. An inquest on Miller's remains
was held and a verdict rendered that he died
from his own carelessness in not slacking
speed while coming into the station.
Terrible Accident.
New York, Sept. 15.—A terrible accident
occurred here to-day by which three men
were killed and several others injured. The
Areal Ladder Fire Company had been order
ed out for practice at the junction of East
Broadway and Canal street. A ladder was
raised 120 feet in the air, and eight men
mounted it, William H.Nash, diief of the
batallion, being at the top.
While the firemen were going through
their evolutions, the ladders suddenly crack
ed, and with scarcely a moment's warning
broke off at the second section, and those
upon it were precipitated to the ground,
Wash was instantly killed, and two of his
companions, Philip Mouse and William
Hughes, were so terribly mangled tliat tliey
died while being conveyed to the station
house. Several other persons were more or
less injured, hut were eared for by their
friends.
Mysterious A lint r In New York.
New'York, Sept. 15.—Coroner Hughes,
of Yonkers, lias been notified to hold an in
quest on the body of a woman, about 35
years old, by the name of Ann McLouglilin,
of this city, w ho appears to have died under
very mysterious circumstances. On Satur
day evening she made her appearance on
the premises of Captain Jno Cardoze,
about a mile from the village of Mount
Vernon, in the town of East Chester, to see
Patrick Ileffcrin, Captain Cardoze's coach
man.
According to the story told by the lat'er,
she was taken sick while in his company
and lie advised her to remain with him in
the coach-house aft Jiight, which she did,
taking up her quarters ou the lower floor,
while he returned to his room above. The
following morning lie found her very sick,
and she died soon after. Without giving
any notice, Ilefferin started for New York,
as he says, to notify her brojicr.
Yesterday a person calling himself her
.brother reached the residence of Capt. Car
doze, and requested to see the corpse of his
•sister, .vyU^cli. fras the first intimation that
•jbapt) Gandoac liad received of the oecur
-Fence? dpad woman was found in the
'bed of Hefftriri, without any marks of vio
lence. iA. jury was etnpanneled anil some
.testimony' taken, When the case was ad
ib'nsped to give, time for a Post mortem ex
ii/n'^iboff.lfb'Bf imade. . The affair has erd
4cd quite a tomsaDon, and the singular con
,du$-0f Heffdrffi concerning the death of tho
women' has .'naturally thrown some suspi
cion of foul play upon him. •: ■■■,■
■ tv • ' «**■.
I'. 8. Cable Bates.
New York, Sept. 14.—The direct United.
States Cable Company announces the fol
lowing tarriff for messages over the new
Cable, the nameof the place where the mer*
sages originate is to be sent free on messages
from Maryland, District of Columbia,
Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey New
York and all points in New England,'twen
ty-live cepts gold per word on ail messages
for points other than those atiove indicated,
the local telegraphic rates will be charged hi
addition to the above rates.
Caudensod Telegrams.
Carl Scliurz arrived at New York it) an
ocean steamer Irom Hamburg, yesterday.
Ed. Conway, the Margin street, New
York, housebreaker, has been sentenced to
twenty years in the State prison.
The Hoboken firemen, complaining of in
t rfercnce of the City Council, have pre
pared a protest in which they threaten to
resign in a body.
A dispatch from Jamaca, L. I., says that
Wm. Delaney, the murderer of Captain
Lawrence (August 37th)", has been arrested
in Philadelphia and brought to that place.
Delaney was trying to ship for a foreign
port when arrested.
The New Steamship for the Alaska
Company. ,
The iron screw steamship, St. Paul, built
bv Messrs W Cramn it Sons Phila for
the Alaska Com more* 1 (Company, * was
/
launched yesterday. The principal dimen
sions are as follows : Length over all, 200
feet; beam, moulded, 31 feet; depth of
hr .i f i 1A ..
TIipi-o . t .°. nna ®. e ' 1 '7
n'lllt li il!] min* 111 ,) "• i16
iw ^nn, ,i n iL St , „ r , ' Wt n' 7
m l S 1 b ' U fr0m
uie mainmast ait
„nUnu an
S 1 'h"
o/the peo de on' thS shore a^nl the shrill
hootini of the tugboatwhistle?in the river
nootm„ oi tnc tugboat whistles in the river.
I first told Supt. Walling in the first part
of September where Mosher and Douglass
lived in this city.. I informed him of the
, , _ , , , , ,
horse and wagon I had seen here and also of
all parties I knew them to he acquainted with
here; they were a man named Thomson, who
n™,i <n riiciwi . ,
lived in Gilford street, his biother-in-law, a
man named Gilbert, who had kept a saloon
at the corner of Eighth and Girard avenue,
I told him of the Morrisses; but they were
„ , ,, . . T , .. .
not here at the time; the way I knew Mosh
er had been in Trenton, Mosher and Doug
lass went to Stromberg's saloon one morn
ing in September; I did not know they were
J
here is one I got in Trenton;" I noticed at
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• CHARLIE ROSS.
* THE TRIAL OF WESTERVELT.
coming; after being there a few moments
Douglass said they were goin g to get a pa
per; Mosher said, "No, I have got a paper;
the time that Mosher's shoes were covered
with this country dust and Douglass' were
not; I told Superintendent Wafting that day
that I had seen them and from the conver
sation Mosher had been to Trenton; I told
him I thought he had been on the outskirts
from the dust
1 told officer Sellick and Titus of my getting
a letter, but never gave that letter a thought
aftcr sending it, except that I did not get
the money; at the time I spoke to th'em
about the letter Officer Sellick, Titus and
myself stood together, and they told me if
it was there to try to get it; before the kill
ing of Mosher, Douglass Wafting, had
tol 1 me that letters were being received and
answered In the personals; he did not tell
me they were supposed to be in the hand
writing of Mosher; he asked me if I had
any letters of Bill's tliat I had received from
him; I told him I never remembered receiv
ing one from him; could not say whether
this conversation was before my trip with
Mosher and Douglass up to Rondout ; up to
the killing of these men I should judge I
had had upwards of'fifty interviews with
Walling; when the interview, in which the
personal of "Saul of Tarsus" was spoken
of, occurred, I was working on the Eighth
avenue cars, in November, and was Waiting
for niy ear to he rung off, and [licked up the
Herald and saw this personal; the wording
of that personal afterwards drew my atten
tion; this is the wording I believe; "We have
performed our part to thei letter; yifti have
again broken faith; we will have no more
trifling; action must he simultaneous;" I
had never seen tliat personal cither in .print
or in manuscript before I saw, it in the
Herald that day, nor had I any knowledge
who it rvas intended for; I thought at the
time it had something to do with this case..
[The testimony here goes On to give an
account of several interviews the accused
had,with the' detectives, in regard to the
personal, but thcre is i.o.hing of conse
quence in it.-] • ' : ,
I did not know.of my own knowledge be
fore either of these Interviews . what that,
personal was, or from info: ma Ion from
anybody else, ■ ' ■'' '' 1 f f
He had told- Wadifferent
time's before the fore par,t : of November that
lie had seen Mosher arithiDouglass/- Iii re
ply to a question as to^ whether he had de
ified in the fore part 7)f/November having
seen them, .the.witness'reified : I don't re
member any-< sauh conversation ; I never
said to him that'F saw the ffl in the street
near the Washington tn irket, attempted to
follow them, they took' a. stage aftd Ayent
down town, and 1 suspected them of taking
the etirs to go to seo 'the child somewhere
near Trenton; I did tell him in the early
part of October,that I saw theht on Broadway
and attempted, to'follow them, hilt lost them;
I did'hot in November ask.:Walling whether
he liad placed any orie'to Watch me ; in the
ly part of October I was at Stroinburg's
saloon and s vw offloer Doyle standing on the
opposite corner; I walked towards where he
was standing and he ran away ; I thought
it was strange ;'I recollected seeing bimtlic
same morning when. I was coming out of
my house standing on the corner ; aftei'1)e
had run awmy I walked down to the otter,
corner, and was very near opposite to him
his
shoes;
on
car
before he saw me ; he was standing talking
to geilick ; I called him over to me ;, next
saw Superintendent Walling the same day;
I had no work at that time; I believe I saw
Mosher and Douglass in Stromberg's sa
loon, 74 Mott street, five times, but I heard
that I hey or one of them was there and
asked for me on 6ome other occasions;
never wrote a letter in Stromberg's Saloon,I
requesting him to give it to them or either
of them if they came; no such letter was
ev^r returned to me by Strombcrg : I had no
conversation with Strombcrg . in Christy
street in Sept. 1874, in which I said I could
.make $10,000 or $15,000,'but by doing so
would have to give away a .party and send
•hira to the penitentiary : the only converse
tiou I ever had with him in relation to
.Mosher and Douglass was in his own saloon
hi August or the latter part of September ;
I believe Walling and myself were talking
about Mosher and Douglass and my sister
and her four children ; I told him I didn't
think I was doing right towards my sister
and her children in being the means of
Mosher's arrest, not through any sympathy
for him, but whatever would happen to him
my sister and her children would throw it
up to me as long as I lived; he said, " I
don't know but what you arc right, in fact,
Bill, I think more of you for itI told
him as for Douglass I would use my utmost
endcavors to have him taken and that it
might lead to the recovery of the child ; he
appeared satisfied and told me to do what 1
could; nothing was said about arresting!
Douglass.
Judge Elcock then questioned witness
about Madame Morrow, whom witness said
be knew; that she was inthe iortune-te.ling
business. Witness met. Douglass there, and
went down on the corner of Fourth and Cath
arine streets, afterwards stopped at Van
d J' ke ' s ' Witness continued : when we got
to bed he was talking about Gill having Bill
arrested on the Red Bank affair ; I said :
"Yes, he'll have you's taken on this Ross
afIair in a laughing way he said : "What
could they do with us, if they did get us ?"
they would have to prove it on to us ; they
would Lave to get some one that seen us
take it," or somebody that seAl them with
11 or i( with them ; he said : "You wouldn't
say anyth , m ~ t0 I!m that 1 spoke to you
about it? >, j made hJln 60lne answer, I
don't know what it was, assuring him that
I wouldn't; he said : "There was a terrible
letter sent on there ; it would make your
Hair stand for to read it;" I asked him :
"Providing the parties were willing, how
would you get the money ; he said that was
easy enough ; I asked him how ; he said
there were plenty of ways; after some con
versation, which I don't recollect, I asked
him to name some way how they could get
it f lie said tliey could take a train frgm r ne
certain place to another, and when they
would see a signal to throw the money off;
j aFkc ,l how would they get the child; he
said they would not get it until some time
afterwards ; I asked him who he thought
vv °uid be loolisli enough to do anything like
that; he then told me he thought of going
to London or Liverpool soon; I asked him
what for ; he said, "O, a change of p an ;"
I asked him what he was going to do there ;
he said ,ie was P of »g to write from there , as
if he liad quit off; previous to that he had
made arrangements to meet me at Gleason's
billiard saloon, in the Bowery, on Tuesday,
Wednesday or Thursday night of the follow
ing week, between 8 and 9 o'clock ; I asked
him when I would see him again, or some
thing like that; Mosher said to witness
" You ought to know better, your common
sense ought to tell you it was a job of Liz
and Gill;" that was all the conversation
held on it; at cither of these conversations
they did not inform me where the child was;
I wish to God they had.
I left my house about 8 o'clock Monday
morning intending to go see Superintei d-nt
Walling and inform him that I was to go to
meet Douglass; when I was within about
two blocks of headquarters, which was a
mile and a half or two miles from my house,
I met a young man named McLaughlin, an
officer, who told me I had 6aved him the
trouble of going over as far as house, that
the old man, meaning Walling, wanted to
see me; I told him I was just going up there;
left him there and went up to hcadqurters
and went into Superintendent Walling's of
lice; lie called me into a back toom; he put
his hand on my back and said, "It's all up,
Bill; I asked him what; he told me that Bill
and Douglass were both dead; I said "No,
it's not so, I seen the two of them Saturday
night, and I am to meet Douglass Tuesday,
Wednesday, or Thursday niglit;" he said,
"It is so; wait a minute;" he went out in
the office and brought in tlm.telegraph de
spatcli thathc had received and showed i
to me; the despatch, I think was headed
Fort Hamilton, and s ated that the two men
was shot, and gave the names oi Mosher
and Douglass, and sa.d something about
them being concerned in the stealing o:
Charley Bom: I couldn't recollect what it
was; after a little while he said, " You would
better go down there and see, and when you
come back let me know;" I went down there
and saw the bodies; came back and went to
Supcrintendcnt \\ ailing's office; I told him
that it was them;, nothing further that I re
collect; I did not go down to Fort Hamilton
witli any one; I saw Superintendent Wall
ing night and day after that constantly in
8ee,f WC t0Uldn,t
get 6om(|ciue fo the child.
I took iny sister to see him a short time ;
couldn't say how many days after their
« " ssraa,ts set
formation I got in that way I communicated
h fi S rthOT,fl a Wal f S U , / 1S " fte , r
sOmhOhOti o n, ' h f ,i™ y k ,? 1 r'
Of .00,0,f,0.l7', nC t ' .'o'i'f,- f 1 I
had never heard of before; I eouldn t say
when I first saw Henry Hartman after the
killing; it was the next Wednesday or t
o^Zh rO th V e Cr cit°v B H 0 n'/n" °"
Comnflr tn y rcfc..«n h p« Ct> ,i H |, 1 i f ! !
boAif t.v mV Ikt .r a ,1, bu'ial of the
bodies, by my sister's request; I had a com
the Coronet BStnlS 'i
with me nt mv renne^meVeWfneift.nabout-25
hmshhv whmfwe^ot^^toThl nA H n T t o l
himthey might hoid me tlmre fo? he \n
.ia if ti»v cs-i.iPA 1
anftdl Superintendent Wa m- i|,uldnq
sav whether on tliat trio to RrooklvnT hail
anvcmversatlen^wlth to ta XL* h
CliarRe lfoss-1 pxmviRert mv nnininn'olwLio
to'any one the same as nnvhodv else wnulf
awL^eU h® tha"YS otlmr ocea
cWM 1W«
such knowledge or beMM; he did i.otask n.e
" "
where it was, or whether it was in a hut or
a cave somewhere; I never recollect such
conversation; "I'll never tell" is a common
by-word for a person aaked anything and
doesn't know; in the forepart of September
I told Hartman that they were sus
peeled of this; I did not, at any time tell
him I was working this caee for Walling; I
first met Mr. William V. McKean sometime
in December, after the killing of Mosher and
Douglass; I couldn't tell the date; it was
after I had been to Brooklyn for the bodies,
I believe ; saw him at Suderintendent Wall
ing's headquarter's; I was introduced to him
by Walling, who asked me if I would tell
him, McKean, everything I knew in refer
cnee to Mosher and Douglass ; I told
him I would ; he told me who Mr. McKean
was ; in a short time I went up to the Ffth
Avenue Hotel with fir. McKean; I did not
tell Mr. McKean that my visit to Philadel
phia on June 25 was for the purpose of sell
ing gas-burners; I told him that 1 had sold
gas-burners, but not when he asked me
what I came to Philadelphia for; I told him
that, I had sold them here when I lived in
PI iladelphia ; I don't know as he asked me
what I came on for in June, but I told him
that I Ame on to sell the mothee'; I did not
tell Mr. McKean that when I came on to
help my sister to move to New York I tried
to cell gas-burners on part of the day previ
oils; I did not say to Mr. McKean that I
made more than one visit to Philadelphia in
August; I did not st ate to Mr. McKean that
discovered that this trip to Rondout was
for the purpose of committing a burglary
before I left New York ; I told him that I
discovered it was to be a burglary when I
got to Rondout; I ^ .toS
interview that 4 or 4 or 4 or o ciajs alter my
sister came to New York that I took this
Rondout trip, I to d him it was 8 or 4 days
after my sister came ou to New York that I
saw Douglass and Mosher; I did tell him at
that interview that I did go to Ropdout but
don't remember that I told him the time;
could not give him the date; I don t reeol
lect trying to fix the date by anything ; I
went to ifondout, with Titus and Sclleck in
the latter part of December after this inter
view with Mr. McKean; on that occasion
when I went to Rondout with TiWe l recol
lect saying nothing to bim or imhis presence
about the trip to Rondout in Septeinbei , I
did not tell Titus on my way up to i ough
kepsie that I met Mosher and Douglass at
Rough kepsie; I don't think Titus and J
spoke two words all the way up in the cars;
Titus and Selleck sat together in one seat m
front of me; 1 was two seats behind them ;
never heard the name of Eddyvifte before
heard it here ; we went uptin
gethcr, all three of us, f itus,Selleca ami i,
we stopped at a hotel at Pouglikepsie that
night; Selleck and Titus occupied one room
and I occupied another ; we had a lunch be
lore going to bed; I told Titus that «e
was a fair in Poughkepsie, when I was up
there and I wanted to know the date of it, 1
asked a man behinl the bar: Titus was near
me when I inquired; the man who had
charge of the place was asked by me R no
could tell the time the fair was held; lie told
me it was on the 22d of September, of last
September; the next morning we took the
rai ". *7 Rh 1 euabut ' fros f !(1 over 1,1 a
boat to Rondout; we went up an arm of the
creek to the place where Mosher and Doug
lass and I got the boat; we inquired in a
house there of a German family if they
recollected if any one leaving any oars there
last September; I asked that; he told me
did not recollect of any one; it was the
man who spoke to me; we stopped and talk,
ed.for ten minutes, but could not get them
recollect; we then tried another house}
did not say anything about the appearance
Die house ; I did not know the house, I
not say on that occasion; "I see now
they have made some alterations; it is the
next house in the other direction; after
leaving that hoqse we went to the house
next to it; it might be 100 feet on I should
judge; there I saw a lady and several small
children; I asked the lady if she remembered
one leaving any oars there during last
September; she said she did not; after some
conversation her boy put her in mind of.it;
hoy told her about the oars being left
there; she then said she remembered it; I
can't recollect any tiling else she said; I
went then to find out that and also any in
formation about the child.
Q—Did she'recognize you as being one of
party which was there in September. i
Objected to by Mr. Hagert. Question
withdrew. (
Q—What did she say about you, if any
thing
A 7 sh() said nothing; Titus did not ask a
, , we were at'Rorfdout in Septem
. Charl ey Ross was with us at that time;
' d , j bj , ie was not witb us at
time; i can ' t recollect of any conversa
tiolvI bad w ith Titus on the wa/from Ron
. i ha a not known him before we went;
was there all the time that lie was!
Q Wa8 not all the conversation you had
* TjUlfi jn tho reSL . m -e of Selleck.
A It wag to tb ' e be6t of m knowledge; l
k Selleck npwaiifsiMf'15 years a
, imately ; I don't 'reecolleet anv
convcrgatlon w itl, Titus about , the Utter
... g ..„t to Rondout cxccot about
e li^ZmspAgd^he '
,Ihad'a conversation with Supt. Walling
' u( j t aM(l he stood almitrside. I did not
Titus at Roiidout of a letter IJiat Bill
lrul written on June 24tU 1874 in ^
phila'delnhia'for me to hrin"On and mail 1
^Ow^kTOOOOvoftfhe existed of 8
ftszttsisi
' , . , >t whether I Selleck or
T^urOrougM the ^teriRmn ; ! f
long after I came from Rondout that ,^
saw Mr. McKean, I had three invitations
,.n 0 ne of them with fhv sister that-w-is
t t , . tbo i„ st , interview I .was
llcd all sorts of name's tv Mr. McKean
Supt. Walling, Mr. McKean said Lwas
better than Mosher and Douglas £
that I wore stolen goods; I iold him I.']'.
nnvthlmr lint honest .mod. « v
a sc[ of stmls'l had on, their woiH.' .[
cents and that I did not know
whether they were stolen or not : that in- -p
K'n-iaw last.d about aa hour ! shouj.djndgc;
had Interviews and confel-ciices with M al
- aftcr t,,a t interriew with McKean, he R
DD send for me to ask me questions about
information; these interviews lasted until I
oh in April; he got me work on Ayl, *
Express after that; I received money
Wnjiing during that>ime ; he gave me t0
Wafting frotgtheASth of *A»«ueVup
Sft&efr
Q.—You have heard the statement read
purpor;in „. to be words used by yOu at the
Ceutral station on the 13th and 14tli of
April; now will you state your recollections
f„ ret , ard t n those interviews how the state
me nt'was taken, whether you called attention
to inaccuracies in it,and whether corrections
were made at your instance. A. Shortly after
geein „, Capt. Heins I saw Mr Lewis and
Mr _ j; 0 . s a , Kl Mr Lesley; Mr. Lewis, Capt .
Heins and officer Wood asked me questions
reference to Mosher and Douglass;
times Mr. Lewis would ask some questions,
ben a f (envard Capt. Ileius and officer
\y ood . Mr. Lesley, I believe, took down the
statement; on second occasion afteracon
yersation with Mr. Lewis, Captain Heins
WO uldaskwhathaveyougotnowMr.Les
ley would then read off some parts of his
statement and I would correct him when lie
had made en . org . 1]e did Ilot read tlre w hole
f j t over t0 me . be d j d uo t read ti le w ]i 0 Ie
of it hm , ei[he| .. j remained in conversation
with them until sup j lcr t)me . tbey Clme
bac k and went np to what I believed was
the Mayor's office, and eontinued the con
ver6a tj on the>e until I should judge it was
after eleven o'clock, while there Mr. Scott
came in aud also Mr. Seeley at the same
time; were doing eomething; T suppose they
a-ere taking it down; I did not hear it read
there was nothing read off while we were up
stairs: the next "morning we continued the
conversation; I staid that night in the lieu
tenant'6 room; in the morning we continued
the conversation until near noon time- Mr.
Lesley was there in the morning, and I pre
u me he was taking the statement down- no
pa rt of that was read to me to my rdcollec
tion; not to me, there might have been parts
it read to Capt. Heins; I mean by saying
tliat Mr. Lesley did not read the whole of it
that he did not read ail that was said-Mr.
Scott did not read all that was said- be' was
t there during all the conversation- I
don't know what time in the davit was-1
left the lieutenant's room the next day* thev
told me I had been indicted by the. Grand
Jury, but not that my wife had; I was taken
rom 5th and Chestnut street to Button
woixl, near 10th, at a station there; I was
t in a cell thera; I remained there until
the following Sunday: I v.ame here
n Tuesday, saw Captain Heins and
think 'Mr. Lewis and
gentleman, I spoke to them; I told them
the treatment then : that I had no bed or
blanket; that I had nothing but a tin cup
P ut my head on, that the windows
" cold;
Sunt,a >: tl,e Cll < ef T ' ,f lolice - 1 belie ''c it was,
came there and I was taken to Eleventh
and Race Street Station; I was put in a cell
lpre ; / remained there until Tuesday;
thence I was taken to the County Prison
where I have been ever since; nobody that,
tl,e , F:il ' v, ' nth
StrcPt 8fa,, l on Hou,s pi yir - a " d another
gentleman have visited me at the County
llso 'P tbls '' aB a week or inside of
af p r "ikcn there; I saw no
77-' ,m 'Jf I D was takon ,0 tlip t'oun
n nu Untll , Mr ' Ro,e cam e there,
Did you have any conversation at the
P L !BOn with Mr ' Ross ' a " J lf
" 'V'f' , ,,
Mr. Foiyl said that the defence proposed
show that Mr. Ross told the prisoner at
e i^ c ' r view that there was nothing against
bitgand that he would let him go had not
ome-peopledesired to_ hold huT. until he
" e 10110 "•
Court sustained the objection.
Mr Ford said that he proposed to show
1at ^r. Ross had toW the prlsoner.that the
ffimst oucr at tl.e Central Station had
suited and had concluded to let the
S° back to.New York that night,
Judge Elcoek—That I overrule.
H r - that ' ! "' y aft «rwards con
lu " bd t0hold bimuntii he should show that
Vas ili no way concerned in the abduc
°l Die child.
^^-That I also overrule,
fifties resumed: Mrs. Ross also called
. i,,c a t D>e county prison; 1 had a conver
l,cr ul,out t! '« abd uetion of
lo>'d. proposed to show that Mrs.
S'called oil bim and asked him about
child, an d aB° u t the abductors and ask
. hIln to get down on the floor with her >
I ,ra y wllh her for information leading
j^i e ec ^ ( ry '
® »'«n*u can't make evMme fo^himl
"* at
. .
came ou here ; I went to work for Adams
Express Co in the early part of Feb'y 1875.
On the 12th day of April, 1875. I was still
working for the Express Company; he sent
me at noontime to the stables; 1 went then
to headquarters, and he was not there; I
left word that I would come back at 3
o'clock, on my firs: load down, I dkftso ; he
told me tliat the party on here wanted to
have it off with me, and they would like me
to come on here; I asked him if he thought
it necessary for me to come on; he said it
must he or they would not send for you; I
told him I did not know how to leave my
work; I was afratd I would lose it; he said
for me to tell Mr. Hocy that he sent me,
it would ho aft right; I told him I woWd
come; lie asked me wheu I could go, if I
could go that night,- I told him I did n*t
think I could; after I got through my route
I had.to take a load to Jersey; that it would
be after 8 o'clock before I got home; he ask
ed me if I would go in the morning; I told
him I would the first thing; I told himl had
no money to pay my expenses; he suid that
need not stop you, and handed me #10; I
told him it would not take aft that; Iliad no
change; he said, well, you will want some
tliiugto eat before you get back; I left, and
went back on fny wagon; I was then living
at 79 Montgomery street; being unable to
see Mr. Hocy tliat night, I went a train to
Superintendent Walling's house; told him I
was unable to see Mr. Iloey, and asked him
to speak to him so I would not lose my
place; he said he woukl write to him the
first thing in the morning; I had at tliat time
no information from any quarter that I was
charged witli complicity in thisgffair; I be
lieve I took the 7 o'clock train from New
York; I told him I would take the 9 o'clock
train; I came on here; J took the early train
so tliat I would get through hero jarly and
take the 3 o'clock train back.the same after
noon, and get to work the next day; I asked
who I would report, to here, and lie told me
to see Captain Ileius; I went to the corner
of Fifth and Chcstuut about noontime; the
train was delayed that I.came on; 1 saw
Officer Wood first, and afterwards Captain
Heins.
Nome
another
were
ou
SO
con
defend
came to

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