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THE BIRMINGHAM AGE-HERALD VQLtJME XXXXIV_ BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 17, 1915 10 CAGES NUMBER ,'!15 PRINCE VON BUM DECLARES AUSTRIA IS WILLING TO CEDE TERRITORY ASKED Promises Italy a Free Hand in Southern Albania in Payment for Support of the Kaiser’s Cause ALLIED DIPLOMATS PRESENT SITUATION IN DIFFERENT LIGHT /I ■K. ^Italy’s Only Chance for Ter ritorial Aggression Lies in Joining War Against Ger many, Is Claim t. ti Rome, March 15.—(Via Chiasso, Switzerland, March 16.)—Political pressure upon Italy to pledge its fu ture course either to the empires o/ central Europe or the allies has been augmenting for sometime and is to day believed to have about reached its climax. According to thoroughly reliable sources, Prince Von Buelow, German ambassador, has given formal assur ance* that Germany will be able in the end to overcome resistance of Austria and Induce Vienna to concede to Italy territorial concessions demanded. to gether with a free band in southern Al bania. In addition, the central ^npires ■would further Italy’s ambitions in the eastern Meditteranean. The German diplomat pointed out furthermore that the marine supremacy of Great Britain and France would have the effect of crushing Italy. Representatives of the allies have pre sented the matter in quite a different light. They have united in saying that the defeat of Germany and Austria Hun gary was inevitable, even without the participation of Italy. In case Italy re frained from taking part she would re ceive nothing from the allies when set tlements are Hade. They advance the further argument that with the conclu sion of peace ,or shortly thereafter, the separation of Hungary from Austria was to be expected. Tills would lead io the absorption of the Austrian provinces of German nationality by Germany and th§ consequent extension of German domin ion to Trieste, which thus would forevef be lost to Italy. In addition Italy would be forced to abandon Avlona and' the Aegean Islands. Territorial Claims “What, is believed in high quarters to be an authoritative outline of Italy’s ter ritorial demands and Austria’s position regarding them was obtamed today. The < difference of view's, as thus indicated appears to be so great that well In formed persons can see no likelihood of an adjustment Roughly speaking, Italy wants a sweep of territory north and east which would extend her boundary around the north ern end of the Adriatic sea as far south as Flume, on the eastern coast. That ■would include the Austrian coast. That would include the Austrian naval bass at Pola, and the provinces of Trent and Triest, which Austria is believed to be willing to make are insignificant, as compared with the demands. It Is regarded as probable that, under pressure frogi Germany, the negotiations may be extended, and Austria may be induced to grant^ larger concessions, but the belief Is generally held in responsible quarters that the extreme Austrian con cessions would be insufficient to satisfy 1 Italy. Italy's demands as outlined today, are Bet forth as follows: “To the north, she *!esires the entire province of Trent, bringing her frontier to Venoste. Passirio and Brcoie, including the districts of Beverto, Trent, Bozen, Meran, Bressanone and Bruneck: to the east, she wants to extend her frontier to the Julian Alps, Including the province of Goritz and Istria, with the districts of Tolmein, Goritz, Triest, Pola and Flume. Besides: *he wants the Dalmatian Islands, espe cially Veglia, Cherso. Lunge. Brazza, iLeeina, Curzola, Mcleda and Lissa. Only Rectification The only rectification of the frontier which, according to this information, Austria, is willing to grant is cession of territory which w'ould give to Italy pos session of Lake Garda, with the town of F.iva and the valleys of the Chinese and i Adige rivers, including the towns of Rov erto and TIone, but exclusing Trent and to the east, the valley of the Isonzo river. Including Grudlsca, but excluding Goritz. 'it is understood also that In return for such territory as she is willing to cede. Austria asks for a large sum of money and also the renunciation by Italy of any claim to other territory within the Austro-Hungarian empire, which is in habited by Italians. In return for these concessions by Italy, Austria is willing to make certain local grants, including the establishment of an Italian univer sity at Triest. Decides on Route ! Washington, MUreh 16.—President Wil pon has decided on the route for the Alas kan railway, the building of which is to begin this spring, but an announcement will await outcome of negotiations with one of the two existing lines which the government may buy. RENEWED ACTIVITY IN WEST FORECASTS GENERAL OFFENSIVE ON PARTOF ALLIES Belgians and British Con solidate Ground Captured Recently From the Ger man Forces | HEAVY FIGHTING NEAR ARRAS; BOTH CLAIM SUCCESS Russians Even More Active in the East, Where Ger man Offensive Has Failed to Materialize Iamrion, March 1«.—<10:50 p. iu.) With (he increasing activities of the British, French and Belgian arinieS' (he reappearance on the coast of Bel gium of British and French unruhlps and (he time drawing near for a big effort in the west, the British public is following with renewed Interest the dally reports of operations. The Belgians, supported by the allies’ warships, have consolidated the ground they have won in the last few days, while the British have done likewise with the strip of territory taken from the Germans near Neuve Chapello, and have recovered most. If not all, of the trenches lost in the region of St. Elio. Simultaneously there has heen heavy fighting north of Arras, in Champagne, in the Argonne, and in the Vosges, in which both French and Germans claim successes. All the operations are believed here to be due principally to the general offensive the allies will undertake when the ground dries. Russians Active I lie Russians are even more a. live than their western allies. The Ger man offensive against Prsasnysz hav ing failed to materialize, probably ow ing to the thaw, the Russians have un dertaken the offensive, and, accord ing to their own account, are ad vancing successfully along both banks of tin- Orzyc river and have occupied the village of Stegnu, On one of the main roads leading to Prziiauysz from the uovitvast. At thtis point t fifty re* pulsed a determined counter attack. The Germans, however, say the Rus sians attacks have been repelled and that they captured 2000 Russians. In the Carpathians and in Eastern Galicia the Russians report a series of successes against the Austro-Ocrman armies, which, despite deep snow, have kept up almost continuous attacks in the Baligrod region, and in some of the central passes, in the hope of re lieving' Przemysl. The Russians are closing around the fortress and their infantrymen are within rifle shot oi northern forts. From unofficial sources it is learned that the Russians have resumed the offensive in Bukowina, and a battle is in progress near the Bukowina lron tier, along the Stanislau-Kolomea rail way. Again on Move In the Caucasus, too, the Russian* aguin are on the move, and. according to Petrograd accounts, are pushing the Turks pack along the coast of the Black sea and are threatening »thc Turkish army at Olti, on the Uusso Turkish border. The allied fleet continues its opera tions iu the Dardanelles and off fchnyr na, but no official report of its prog ress has been made for some days An Athens report says the British cruiser, Amethyst, has penetrated the straits as far as N agar a. The cruiser is said to have heen hit by three shells, which killed a number of the crew. There is a belief in some *iuarter» here that the Turks will capitulate, If the flebt gets through the straits, to save Constantinople from bombard ment. TiOrd Southwark, at a meeting of the Associated Chambers of Commerce tonight said that since the outbreak of war. Great Britain’s output of war material has increased three hundred fold. DENY M’MANUS A MEXICAN CITIZEN Chicago, March 10.—Relatives of John B. McManus, the former Chicagoan, who was killed by Zapata troops March 11, in Mexlc£ City, denied today that he had become a naturalized Mexican. Mrs. P. J. Dargan, a sister of McManhs, said: “When my brother John was in Chi cago a year ago, I asked him if he had become a naturalized citizen of Mexico, and he replied that he would not give up his United States citizenship for anything in the world. I know the report from Vera Cruz is untrue." Similar opinions were expressed by other relations and another sister and several friends. CLAIM M’MANUS A MEXICAN CITIZEN Vera Cruz, Mexico, March 16—Thajiale. ment was made, here today by persons connected with the Carranza government that John B. McManus, who was killed In Mexico City on March 11 by Zapata troops, was not an American citizen. Mr. McManus lived in Mexico City for about ID years and was said to have become a naturalized Mexican. WEEK’S TRADE BALANCE * LARGEST IN U. S. HISTORY | Washington, March 16.—Exports exceed* ‘ sd Imports passing through the 13 prln \ clpal American customs districts during the week ended March 13 by $47,229,669,' giving the largest balance in favor of the United States ever produced by a single Week's foreign trade business. . The total value of exports for the week Was $69,810,719, and of Imports $22,611,060. An analysis of foreign trade conditions Issued by the department of commerce to night shows that exports for the three months from December 1, 1914, to Febru ary 38 Were estimated at $778,511,871 and Imports $887,038,862, netting a favorable balance of $411,483,009. Cotton exported during the week end ing March 13 amounted to 292,630 bales, making the total since August 1, 1914, of the cotton year, 6,045, 497 bales. ¥ • , . . ■ . VILLA FORCES MEET DEFEAT, LOSING 400 MEN KILLED, REPORT Carranza Troops Win Victory in Bloody Sunday Battle at Allende. Commander Deserts Antonio, Tex., March 16.—A battle between Villa and Carranza troops at Allende. Coahuila. resulted In 400 Villa j 1118,1 killed, according to a message re ceived he^e today from Sabinas. The engagement began Sunday night continued throughout the following day, the Villa troops leaving many dead and wounded on the Held. As the result of the defeat of the Villa men at Allende. the message said, Rosalio Hernandez, Villa commander in charge of Piedras Negias, deserted the border post | and fled with his men into the interior. He encountered General Maclovio Her rera, who was In command of the. Car ! prtnza men at Allende. at Hemollno this i morning and a second defeat of Villa troops followed. No details as to the number killed at Hemollno were given in the message. LET THOSE WHO WANT TO FIGHT ENLIST IN ARMY, SAYS MARSHALL Vice President Speaks on Pugnacious ly Inclined Citizens of Uncle Sam and Suggests Remedy Chicago, March -Citizens who think the United ^should take part in the war jKjri be made to en list in the a.T/ *Voro being allowed to spread ^y ’Ideas broadcast. Vice President. ^tall said here today. The vicr ^ Relent will leave tomor r°w U A Panama-Pacific exposi tion. ^ w “T». s the first time in 40 years’ f bservahee,” he continued, “that J have found public men disputing what at one time was considered an axiom— that politics end at the seashore. “There was a time when I. too. thought it was our duty to go out and whip Anyone, anywhere who happened to shake a finger at Uncle Sam l h&vt changed my mind. 1 oppose war un less I am willing to ask the govern ment to place me in the front ranks of our army." DENNY TO APPEAR BEFORE COMMITTEE j Will Corroborate Testimony Given by O’Neal Relative to Money Due Montgomery Bank University, March 16.—(Special.)—Pres ident George H. Denny of the university will appear within a day or tw*b before the legislative investigating committee sitting at Birmingham to corroborate testimony given by former Governor O’Neal relative to certain Interest money due during his administration to the Far ley National bank. Mr. Denny has cer tificates of indebtedness from Governor O’Neal for the amount in question which wus part of the endowment, fund of the university and had to be invested by the trustees either in state or national so e.yriiies. the actual transaction taking pla« e between the governor and the 'pres ident. of the university. Dr. Denny states that there 1s at present a bill pending before the legisla ture for the relief of the university to the amount of $27,500, and that this fact must be known to the legislative investi gating committee. ASSOCIATED PRESS NOT LIABLE TO SUIT UNDER SHAN ACT Attorney General Gregory So Notifies Counsel for the New York Sun Pub lishing Association Washington, Marctj 16.—Attorney Gen eral Gregory has written a letter ad dressed lo James M. Beck, counsel for the New York Sun Printing and Publish ing association, disposing of the com plaint against the Associated Press for alleged violation of the federal antitrust act made by the Sun association. The Attorney General's letter, dated March 12, makes known that there Is no ground for action by the federal au thorities against the Assorted Press un der the antitrust act. The Attorney General's letter is tlnf result of a petition filed on February 3, 1914, by the Sun Printing and Publishing association, asking the Attorney General to make an investigation and then to in stitute proceedings against the Associated Press. The chief point of interest In the At torney General's letter Is his statement as to the right of a group of newspapers to form an association under given con ditions, as follows: “Assuming that the kind of service In which the Associated Press is engaged is Interstate commerce (a question not free from doubt), I am nevertheless of the oplrlon that it is no violation of the antitrust act for a group of newspapers to form an association to collect and dis tribute news for their own benefit, and to that end to agree to furnish the news coileoted by them to each other or to the association: provided that no at tempt is made to prevent the members from purchasing or otherwise obtaining news from rival agencies. If that Is true the corollary must he true, namely, that newspapers desiring to form and "maintain such an organization may deter mine who shall be and who shall not be their associates.” "This, of course, is not to say that such an association might no- develop into an unlawful monopoly. Tile facts adduced, however, in my opinion, do not show that that has happened in the case of the As sociated Press.” Frank B. Noyes, president of the Asso ciated Press, referring to the Attorney General’s letter tonight, said: "The clean bill of health given the ! Associated Press by the Attorney Gen eral after his study of the complaint of the New York Sun 1b, of course, highly gratifying to the members of the organi zation. It is the more gratifying because It was the result of a long, careful and searching scrutiny by The department of justice of the object and form of the organization, its scope and its methods. Building Dedicated San Francisco. March 16.—Denmark's building\t the Panama-Pacific exposition was dedicated today with a setting of Native costumes, native songs and ad dresses by distinguished danes. AMERICANS IN MEXICO GIVEN NO PROTECTION SAVS GEO. KNOBLAUCH I Business Partner of J. B. McManus Engages in a Heated Argument With Secretary Bryan CITESTHE DEMOCRATIC! PLATFORM TO SHOW PROTECTION PLEDGED _ Attack on Democratic Party Arouses Wrath of Secre tary of State — Discuss McManus Case WflNhlnKton, M«rel» lit,—(itiorse W. Knoblauch, of Xew York* InisSnens partner of the late .John It. McManus, the tinrilenn killed recently In Mex ico City, engaged Secretary Hryan In a heated argument at the state depart- J meat today on the subject of demo cratic and republican politics In ref erenee to the protections of foreigners In Mexico. Knoblauch came here In the interest of the widow and children of his business associate for whom lie seeks an indem nity After ar. interview with Mr. Bryan he went to the White Mouse, to learn, he ! said, the viewpoint of Secretary Tumult,', in the matter. Mr. Tumulty referred him to Secretary Bryan, saying the matter was being handled at the state depart- , ment. Later in tlie day a Washington news paper published an interview with Knob lauch quoting him as saying: he had «been unable to find out what had been done by tlie state department, and had appealed to i ! the President, and that in his talk with Secretary Bryan the latter hail become angry because of a reference to the demo cratic platform as pledging protection to the lives and property of Americans abroad. When the interview was shown co Secretary Bryan he said: Criticizes Democrats "Knoblauch began to criticize the dem ocratic party, and I told him it didn't make tiny difference to us when wo were protecting Americans whether they were republicans or .democrat#. and i didn't think it would make any difference to the Mexicans down there." Knoblauch cited tlie democratic platform and when Mr. Bryan asked him what ids' politics were he said republican. The secretary said later he .had refused to discuss tlie question further from a par tisan basis, and that the ythen took up tisan basis, and that they then took up *‘I told Knoblauch,** said Mr. Bryan, "that it made ho difference to the Mexi cans what party we represented and wo certainly did not tell people who weie being protected by this government to be partisa n.' Copy of Interview Late today Knoblauch returned to the department with a copy of the Interview attributed to him and told Mr. Bryan it was untrue that he had salcT he was un able to get satisfaction. Later Knoblauch issued a statement in which he said: "So far as anything ttoe state depart ment has done in tills individual case Is com^rned. I have no grounds for unfav orable criticism. My criticism was di rected against the general policy of the admanistratlon in regard to the Mex ican question. The democratic national platform specifically promised to Amer icans who reside Tn foreign countries or on the Border protection. 1 maintain that Americans residing in Mexico or on the border have been given virtually no pro tection, and 1 may add that in this respect tlie Vaft administration was quite as re mits ns the present one.*' THAW WILL BE , - Is Denied Motion That He Be Returned to New Hampshire 1 New York, March 16.*—Justice Pag" today denied Harry K. Thaw’s motion i that he be returned to New Hhamp > shire. The judge ordered that Thaw be sent ' hack to Matteawan, unless legal pa ; pers were served on the warden of the Toombs calling for the prisoner’s L retention in New York city. That al ! ready has been done. Ship Fired On | Galveston, March 16.—The tender of the | United State.- Battleship Delaware was fired upon by snipers at Vera Cruz on I March 10, according to reports brought • here today by passengers on the Nor wegian suamship City of Tampico. The tender went into the hai^tv for Captain i Tlogcrs of the Delaware, and was fired i upon while inbound, and again while re turning to the warship. **To one was in ; jured. : TODAY’S AGE-HERALD i 1—Italian situation approaching a crisis. No protection for Americans In Mex : ico. IntimationB of wrongdoing brought . out at probe. 2—Probing question of consolidating i courts. • J—Business men think flood tide Well un \ der way. 4—Editorial comment. 6— An example of what Is the matter with Birmingham. Cotton mill t be erected here. Zoo request up to Ward. No Intimation of ousting Nespor. | 6—Women’s page. 7— Sports. 2—Markets. 10—Huddleston on equal suffrage. Sketches of Probe Hearings _I c- -—-_. i 1 Warden Nelms of I.ucile mines on the stand _i-:-1 ^ y REPRESENTATIVE WELSH REPRESENTATIVE EKEENE If Jefferson county putting questions til Dallas, sponsor for the suffrage to a witness bill MMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOaOO STEGLER ADMITS TO GET PASSPORT _ Testifies Against Germans! Charged With Attempt to Obtain Fraudulently Passport for Him Now York, March 16.— Before a jury se lected because I hey bad neutral war opin ions, Richard Madden and Gustave Cook were placed on trial today charged with aiding Richard P. Stegler, a German naval reservist, to obtain a false American passport. Stegler, who also is under in dictment. testified against them. His case will be called later, but because he has become the government’s witness and today confessed that he had sought to obtain an American passport fraudu lently and had employed Cook and Mad den to aid him, the charge against him. his attorneys believe, will not he pressed. Jt had been rumored that Stegler would repeat that part of his confession to gov ernment authorities in which he was al leged to have said that he had been urged byr Capt. Boy-Ed, German naval attache, at Washington, to go to England as a German Hpy and had obtained the pass port for this purpose. However, Boy-Ed's name did not enter into ills testimony. Stegler said he met Cook and asked his help in getting papers necessary for him to obtain an American passport, paying him $10 in advance for his services. Cook, he said, procured for him naturalization papers of a German-born citizen. These, he said, he told Cook would not do, whereupon Cook introduced him to Mad den. Would I’ay for Papers “I told Madden.” said the witness, “that the people w'hom I represented would pay $100 for the papers 1 needed. Madden, ho said, procured his (Mad den’s) baptismal certificate for him, but that also was not the payer needed. Madden then secured a certificate ol’ his birth from the bureau of vital statistics in Hoboken and with this Stegler said he suceeded, in the name of Richard Mad den, in obtaining the passport. He puid Madden therefor $100, ne said. He admitted that he had sworn falsely iri making his application. On cross-examination Charles h\ Ober wager, attorney for the defendants, after attempting to attack Stegler’s character, brought out from the wltno.is that pre vious to his arrest he had to d his story to a reporter of a New York newspaper and had been put on the paper’s pay roll. He was asked if he had not said to Cook that it was the purpose of the paper’s owner to “show up Mr. Bryan.” Stegler denied having made such a statement, also a statement that he “could get money from other sources” for repudi ating his story. Mr. Oberwuger said he wanted to show that Stegler’s motives were purely mercenary. Stegler admitted that he had gone with his story to the editor of another paper and had been given a Job at $2.60 a day. His examination will be continued to morrow. RESERVESYSTEM REPORT JULY 1 Washington, March 16.—Income anil ex penses of the Vi federal reserve bunks will be made public July 1, according to a federal reserve board announcement today. The first statement will show earnings and outgo from the opening of the system. Despite unusual conditions in financial circles it was said today the banks are doing a fairly good business and that mumber banks probably will get returns on their Investments. NEUTRAL WATERS Second Violation of Naval Warfare Is Charged to England—No Proof for Claim Ynlparnisw, Hnreli id.—The Gcrmnii of fleers of llie Dresden who him* nr rtved here deelnre they w ere nt tucked while nt ani'lior in < unilierland bay. on the north side of the Island of .Innii Fernandez. They assert that other ships lying In port were damaged by the Vlrltlsh ships and that shells ex ploding on shore killed a woman and a ehild. The Hlnistro Zenteno, a (liMeitii cruiser, has been sent to bring the crew of the Dresden here from Juan Fer nandez and to Inquire into the sinking off the German warship. Washington. March Id.—A statement issued by the German embassy here tonight declares that the German cruiser Dresden sunk liy a Ilrltiah squadron off the Chilean coast Sunday “apparently was attacked while In shelter off neutral waters.” The embassy's Information came In ca blegrams yesterday and today from Val paraiso. Chile, The statement follows: “Yesterday morning the embassy re ceived from Valparaiso the following ca ble: “ ‘German cruiser Dresden, after hav ing destroyed an Knglish sailing ship on March 8, whs surprised by an Knglish armored cruiser and pursued by her from 3 o’clock In the afternoon. Dresden es caped the armored cruiser under the cover of darkness. Damage In the ma chinery and lack of coal forced her to put into the Island of Juan Fernandez/ “According to today's telegram, re ceived at the embassy from Valparaiso, 15 wounded of the Dresden were landed by the Orama at said harbor. Three men of the German cruiser are reported to have been killed. The telegram further says that the whole rest of the crew Is landed on the island of Juan Fer nandez, and will be brougt to Valparaiso by a Chilean steamer. "According to tlio British admiralty re (Contlnued on I'uc TmI *••••••■••••••••••••“•••••••••••••••••••••*••••••••••• LIVING ON $6 PER WEEK SIMPLE PROBLEM SAYS GIRL - | Miss Dorothy Miller, 19-Year-Old Shop Girl Tells Investigating Committee How It Is Done—Says Story Is Based On Actual Experience Albany, N. Y„ \lar«'li W.—Living on »6 a week in New York city Is a simple problem. Miss Dorothy Miller, a 19-year old shopgirl, told a legislative committee Investigating the minimum wage proposi tion today. If one wants more clothes, ahe explained, it is only necessary to eat less food, and if more food Is wanted, skimp on the clothes allowance. Miss Miller came here at tho behest of the Consumers' league of New York, to relute her personal experience as a work ing girl. "My story is not bused on theory, but it la an actual experience," she said, "and I don't want you to think that t am a pa thetic little picture for I represent 40wt girls who earn no more *fltan I do. At one time I received only J5. I lived at home ami waa fortunate in having to pay •nto the house but S3.GO. That left ma 40 cents a week to spare after 1 had paid my car fare and purchased lunches.’* Judge Alfred E. Onimen. repreeentlng the New York Typothetae, and W. A. Dryer for the State Kata>' Dry Goode aa» soclaflon, opposed the ml>&.uum'wage bill. Judge Ommen argued that the state should not act as a paternal guardian for those who cannot act for themselves, und said that some women are not worth '*5 a hunch.'* Mr. Dyer said the estab lishment of a minimum wage really would [ be a charity. BROUGHT OUT GY . . - -a O’Neal’s Former Secretary Takes Direct Issue on Charging Personal Tele grams to State CONVICTS HEARD ON TREATMENT GIVEN AT MINES Brown Testifies Regarding Automobile License Funds. Agee Tells About Work of the Excise Commission My HUGH XV. ROBERTS The session of the legis lature's investigation com mittee yesterday was replete with hearsay evidence which might be taken to indicate the possibility of several neat scandals. A former secretary to Governor O’Neal, t>. S. Simpson, ileelnred that he had never been instructed not to charge the chief executive's personal telegrams to the state. A purchasing agent, of the convict department, Mr. Page, swore that, he had heard from a Mr. Newby of the Jefferson Powder company that l.en K. Greer, state convict inspector, had through personal gain, thrown the state's powder purchases to that com pany. Bradley (!. Brown, former automo bile license collector in Birmingham, introduced In evidence a cancelled check signed II. S. Button and made payable to .1. 10. Kennedy, another former license collector, to prove that money on which Mr. Button was said to have said tie did not. receive hts tag, had not been paid to him (Brown). \\ . C. Agee, chairman of the Jeffer son county excise commission, testllled as to the amount of work which he and hts associates ilWform, and enlivened the day by tart passages with Senator Bon ner and Denson. [Exceedingly Interesting testimony was offered by two Intelligent convicts, fjfe at Dudle, Flat Top, Ban ner and Aldrich mines, at which state convicts arc worked, was Illustrated in the testimony of half a doxen witnesses. Dr. E. T. Field of Ensley added spice to the day’s proceedings by reviving In hia (Continued on rage Two) J REPRESENTATIVE SMITH Of Crenshaw, in characteristic attitude MeeeeeiiMieeeeteeeeeeeeeeecseMtteeteeeeeeMeMeev