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LACY AND GOVERNOR SILENT ON RECENT INTERVIEW Neither Will Say What Was Told Henderson When Two Con ferred Recently—Governor Holds Disclosures As Con fidential, He Tells Age Herald Correspondent By L. S. BETTY Montgomery. July 6.—(Special.)—What did Lacy tell Governor Henderson? What did the man of mystery, the man of si lence, the notorious embezzler of state funds divulge to the chief executive of the state of Alabama during the two hours he was closeted with him last Sat urday a fternoon ? Governor Henderson will not tel) and Lacy will not tell. The governor is will ing to tell, and he would do so had ne the consent of the silent man behind prison walls at Wetumpka. But Lacy is not willing to tell his story at this time. The Montgomery Age-Herald corre spondent today talked with both Gover nor Henderson and with Lacy. With the latter he held conversation over the long distance telephone. "Ask Lacy," the governor told the cor respondent after the latter had asked tee one hundredth question regarding tl. •• in ference on last Saturday. For a moment the correspondent seemed dazed. "What do you mean? Shall I go and talk to Lacy?” “That's exactly what I mean,” replied the governor. "If you wish I will ,;ive you a note to Lacy informing him that he has my permission to tell you every thing he told me.” At this point the governor smiled, but the smile conveyed volumes. There was enough in it to indicate that Lacy had told him nothing he was not willing for the state to know -nothing he would not be glad for the state to know, but th.it there was hardly a chance that Laev would consent that the matters discussed in the conference should be given to the public. Lacy Called I p However, the correspondent thought he had a chance to put up a little bluff. He immediately went to the telephone and called Lacy at Wetumpka. Tiie con nection was prompt “Hello, that you, Theo?" “Yes, how are you, Betty?” Then followed a few pleasantries. “Think I'll run over to see you this afternoon," the correspondent told him. “Good, come over,” was called back over the wires. “By the way, Theo, you remember that little conversation you had with the governor the other day, last Sat urday?” “Why, yes; what about it?” “That's what I want to see you about. The governor says he is willing for you to tell me all you told him, and even expressed the hope that you would do ao. Shall bring along with me a note from the governor giving you carte blanche in the matter.” “Wait a minute—I—" “That'll make it all right—the gov ernor wants me to have the story; in fact, wants the state to know it, so I’ll just run over and talk to you awhile.” “Not a bit of use, old man," Lacy said. “I have nothing to tell the public at this time. In fact, I have nothing to tell.” That ended the conversation with Lacy. But the governor was perhaps a 1 it - tie more illuminative. Not that he he trayed Lacy’s confidence, but the chief ; executive, in reply to certain questions, j was sufficiently communicative to allow a few deductions. O’Neal Not Implicated In the .first place. Lacy said nothing regarding Governor O’Neal during the two hours he was in conference with Govern or Henderson. This statement was made most emphatically by the governor. Thiu question was asked Governor Henderson because it will he recalled that Lacy, w hile in the Montgomery coun ty jail, gave out a brief interview to tlie effect that he had given to Governor O’Neal a large sum of money which Dr. (’row of Birmingham had handed over to .lames G. Oakley, at that time president of the convict board. Lacy did not make this charge while talking to Governor Henderson. “Lacy did not ask for a parole,” re plied the governor to a question. But whether or not Lacy expressed the hope that he might obtain his freedom before the expiration of the present ad ministration could not be learned. The governor’s answer to this question was ! evasive. Neither could it be learned whether or not Lacy told the governor that others were implicated in his crime. “Ask Lacy,” was the governor’s answer to this question. Tin re was little else to be gained from the interview' with the governor. He mad<- it appear that Lacy’s attitude was rather conciliatory—that there was noth ing hostile nor recriminatory in his ut terances during the two hours he was in his office. But he would not divulge what the man of mystery and silence had told him. That is Lacy's story to tell. Held in Bishee Bisbee, Ariz., July 6.—B. Martinovich and Savo Gjourashkovich were held h^re toda.\ on a charge of violation of the neutrality laws in attempting to induce about 160 Montenegrins to return to Eu rope and become soldiers. . They were released in 7500 bail and a hearing was set for Friday. " I NEW YORK 1 B Vanderbilt and Madison Aves., 42vd and 44th Sts. B 'pHE largest and latest of American hotels ft J. ancj the social and business center of the I? , ft Metropolis. Convenient to everything,and J' ft in the heart of theatre and shopping districts. Jw 1000 outside rooms. 950 private baths. m Rates from $2.50 per day. Sf WL. Fittingly termed “The greatest hotel aoceeaa ol jJKr sa America.” To atop at The Riltmore ia to aee J&ff New York at ita beat. “On the Empire ,<c3f Tour.” Illnatratcd booklet upon requeat. r JOHN McE. BOWMAN Prciidnt GENERAL HAMILTON i TELLS HOW ALLIED TROOPS LANDED ON TURKISH PENINSULA First Full Detailed Descrip tion of Fighting; in the Dardanelles (iiven Public by British Commander London, .Inly d.—1.1:10 f». m. I-—(,en j ernl Sir Inn flnmilton, commander of the nlllcd troop* nt DnrdnnelleM, pa.vs tribute to the nnvy In hi* first full report describing the purple days of the landing on the Gallipoli penliiMiilii. “The royal navy l»n* been father nnd mother to the army. !\ot one of un hut realizes how mueh he owe* to \ lee \dmlml lie lloheck; to the warships, French nnd llrltiah, to the dewtroyern, mine aweepern and picket boat* and to nil their dauntleNN crews who took no thought* of fheniaelvea hut risked ev erything to give their comrade* a fair run at the enemy/* *a.v* the report. The commander in chief's dispath to the war office is of great length but most of these events already had been chronicled. Having reached the conclusion, after witnessing the “stupendous" battle be tween the warships and the land fort resses, that it would require the \n hole of his strength to enable the fleet ef fectively to force the Dardanelles, Gen eral Hamilton prepared to fling all IDs troops rapidly ashore, in the full knowledge that an attempt to land on such a well defended theatre of opera tion “involved"’ difficulties for which there is no precedent in military his tory, except possibly in the sinistei legends of Xerxes." Heavy Casualties General Hamilton admits “it was touch and go," many times before the invaders established a footing. In sev eral instances half of the landing par ties were killed or wounded before they could reach even the slight shelter af forded by the sandy bank of the upper part of the beaches. Most of the senior officers either were killed or wounded The Turks had turned the landing places into death traps. There were wire entanglements the whole length of the shore, with a supplementary barbed wire network concealed beneath the surface of the sea. I^and mines and sea mines were everywhere, and ma chine guns cunningly tucked away in holes in the cliffs, converged their fire on the attackers. “So strong, in fact. were the de fences,” says the general, “that the Turks may well have considered them Impregnable, and it is my firm con victlon that no finer feat of arms has ever been achieved by the British sol dier or any other soldier than the storming of these trenches from open boats on the morning of April 25.” General Hamilton speaks of long lines being mowed down as by a scythe. Of the endless chains of wire entangle ments he writes: "Again the heroic wire cutters came out. Through the glasses they could he seen quietly snipping away under the hellish fire as though they were prun ing a vineyard.” of the Australians he says: “Like lightning they leaped ashore, and each man that did so went straight with his bayonet at the enemy. So vig orous was the onslaught, the Turks made no attemi^ to withstand it and fled from ridge to ridge pursued by tin Au8tralian infantry." A shortage of ammunition prevented the allies from gaining the hoped for footing on Achi Baba. “Had it been possible,” says General Hamilton, “to push in reinforcements of men, artil lery and munitions, Krithia should have fallen, and much subsequent fighting for its rapture would have been avoided. “Up to May. 1,” he continues, “the net lesult of the operations was the re pulse of the Turks and the infliction upon them of heavy losses. At first we had them fairly on the run and had U not been for those inventions of the devil-machine guns and barbed wire which suit the Turkish character and tactics to perfection, we should not have stopped short of the crest of A chi Baba." General Hamilton pays high tribute to the French forces, who lost heavily, lie reports the British losses during the period between April 25, and May 5, as 117 officers and 1990 men killed, 412 of ficers and 7807 men wounded; 13 officers and 3580 men missing. PYTHIANS INSTALL OFFICERS FOR YEAR Over 250 People Attend Public In stallation of Jefferson Valley Lodge at Fraternal Hall A most enjoyable affair was the public installation of the officers of JefTerson Valley lodge No. 11, Knights of Pythias, held last night at Fraternal hall. Fully 1150 persons were present, including many ladies. Graham Perdue, grand chancel lor. and staff were the installing officers. Alex M. Garber was master of ceremonies. The musical numbers under the direction o: Prof. Fred L. Grambs were splendidly tendered and several encores were re sponded to. The programme follows: Selection, JefTerson Valley lodge or chestra Introductory remarks by master of cere monies, Alex M. Garber, supreme tribune. Address of grand chancellor, Graham Perdue. Vocal quartet, "What From Vengeance,” I >onlzetti. Conferring the honor of past chancellor on Herbert L. Cobb. Tenor solo, I. Morris. Installation of chancellor commander elect, Gerhard H. Mols. Selection, Jefferson Valley lodge or chestra. Installation of chancellor-elect, M. B. Dickinson. Vocal quartet, "Mammy’s Lullaby,” (Dvorak), Jefferson Valley lodge quartet. Installation of prelate, Frank PL Spain; master of work-elect, Herbert L, Cobb. Bass solo, R. C. Kaufman. Installation of keeper of records and seal Alonzo S. Elliott. Master of finance, Harry P. Lcsher; master of exchequer-elect, Walter J. Schuster. Selection, Jefferson Valley lodge or chestra. Installation of master of arms, B. F. Ray. Inner guard, .John C. Morrow; outer guard-elect, J. J. White. Vocal solo, Miss Irene Cox. Address by supreme representative, Herman Beck. Selection, Jefferson Valley lodge or chestra. >11 Springfield, III., July 6.—A bill providing a moving picture censorship board for Illinois has been vetoed by Governor Dunne. The bill provided for the appoint ment by the secretary of state with the approval of the governor of three yer sonB to constitute a board of censors of motion picture fllniB. AUTHORITY IN THE MEXICAN^ CAPITAL Police Patrol Has Been Swept Aside and People Have Little or No Protection Mexl«*o City, June 2.— (< orrespoml ence of the \ ssocln teil PreMn.l—For the l»n*t four days this elty has been a prey to nnxie<> nail a ueneral sense of Inseeiirlty prevnlli. Reports of great battles along * front extending over some ‘ IT. miles are imblished dull? In revolutionary ••extras" which everyone rends an«| no one believe*. •lust what caused the forces of Za pata. and Villa to change their minds tfter having shipped the government archives and the treasury funds to Cuernavaca, preparatory to evacuating the capital, is not known. That there has been some fighting between tie advance guards of the Carranza forces ar.d those of Zapata and Villa at Bar rientos and Cerrogordo is certain, but it is believed here that the importance < f the engagements have been greatly exaggerated. The bulk of the defending army is living in street cars, which are strung out in a long line between the suburbs of Mlxeoac and San Angel. These cars, numbering 59, occupy about a mile of ttack along a road leading to the city of Cuernavaca, tin ultimate destina tion of the defending army in the event they are driven from this city. These ears are on the opposite side of the city to that which is being attacked. Militia Is Supreme The police force of the city has been rxvept aside so far as practical pro tection is concerned and. although gendarmes are seen on post as usual, anyone wearing what approaches a military uniform is supreme. This vva3 brought home to the British consul general lure, R. \V. P. Thurston, the day before yesterday when he was compelled at the point of rifles to carry two of Zapata’s soldiers about the city ip bis automobile and was almost forced to be an accomplice in a jail de livery. The soldiers made the chauffeur! drive to the penitentiary, where a gen-j eral jail break was attempted by them. | During thf; confusion the British le gation was offered the men arrested and the car returned to the consul. The car flew the British flaa: at the time of the assault. The authorities* have promised to execute the soldiers in this case. All foreigners owmlng cars are In the habit of flying the flag of their nationalities on the hood of the ma ehlne. Despite this the seizing and stealing of cars has become so gen eral that few care now to risk riding. Ml of the hanks and nearly all of the larger < oniinereial establishments have remained closed since the forces of Ca r ranza approached the city. Foodstuff Shortage Today the shortage of foodstuffs be came so serious that rioting was aveid | ed only by the presence of troops who died over the heads of the mobs. In | one instance the soldiers fired low, [ Nlling a number of women. It is esti [ nr ted that more than 80,000 people nearly all women, gathered in front of ' * he offices of the international relief commission's wa rehouses. At the Red Cross first aid booths .TO women and children were treated for in juries sustained in the crush. Six car loads of corn Were distributed and a very long line of women were still waiting for the cereal.. The local authorities have been unable to do anything to date ro re lievo the distress. The coming »f the American Red Cross representative is awaited with much anxiety. Yesterday two army officers with a dozen or more of their followers indulged In a duel. The fight occurred on one of the principal streets of the city while the thoroughfare was crowded with pedes trians. The contenders were all mounted and the fusillade caused a panic. One of the officers and two of the horses were killed and a trooper wounded. The diplomatic corps has been meeting daily since the city lias been surrounded by the forces of Carranza. While the sessions have been secret, it has been learned that efforts are being made to have the defeated leaders promise to avoid indiscriminate fighting in the streets of the capital The corps is very much exer cised over the possibility of the danger to foreign lives and property. Blackmailing Frequent Blackmail has been indulged in by s • many officers lately that the military offi cers executed Col. Francisco Martinez Mollejo, Col. Julian F. Guersa and ("apt. Francisco Aguirre today in an effort to stop the practice. The men were executed before a great crowd in the public square near the national palace. Colonel Mollejo, a Spaniard by biith. but a naturalized American, attempted to extort $10,000 from Alfonso Vega, a prom inent merchant. Colonel Figueroa occu pied a room in h local hotel owned hv a Spaniard named Oonzalo Balcontin. One night lie missed $3000 from his wallet and immediately took the law Into his own hands, arresting the owner of the hotel and holding him prisoner until his $*’000 and $3000 more were produced!. Captain Aguirre, his friend, aided him. The tu tel proprietor finally made his escape and the authorities arrested the two officers Rater Aguirre confessed that he had stolen the $‘-'000 from his friend, Colonel Figueroa. Several arrests were made here today of persons charged with polling soldiers of the local garrison cartridges I -idcd with nitroglycerine instead of ordinary gunpowder. These persons, said to be Carranza sym pathizers, are to be publicly execute 1. The nitroglycerine cartridges are said to have caused a nuipber of deaths among the Zapata and Villa soldiers, whose rifles exploded when the cartridge was set off. OFFICERS ARE INSTALLED Large Attendance at Exercises of King Solomon Lodge Before an audience that filled the spacious lodge room to overflowing, the officers-olect of Solomon lodge No 4 60, A. F. and A. M., were installed Into their respective chairs last night at the Masonic temple. The pro gramme was very appropriate and was muc h enjoyed and included a number of selections by Caiman's orchestra. At tlie close of the exercises, refresh ments were served by the ladies of the Order of the Eastern Star. PaHt Master M. M. UHman was the installing officer and made the address of welcome. The principal address was made by Dr. J. IT. Phillips. Officers were installed as follows; T. A. T^appage, worshipful master; H. S. Stickle, senior warden: Coke S. Wright, junior warden; J. H. Flemming, treasurer; John 8. White, secretary; F. R. Latady, senior deacon; E. W. Spen cer. junior deacon; T*. L Eevy, senior steward; Robert A. Riley, Junior steward. Ik n li ? _ end Whiskey 1% /I orotime Bahits Perma lYl ,Wri^r Rookletn#TThe KeeTey I * W • Institute, Biloxi. Mil,., and Jacksonville, Fk PLAY FESTIVAL AT THE FAIRGROUNDS THIS AFTERNOON Over 1000 Children Will Par ticipate — George Ward Urges People to Go Out and See Children At last fair weather apparently has graced the date set by the city recre ation department for the play festival and indications last night were, stated Superintendent Z. Nespor. that the fes tival to he held at the state fair grounds, j^fter being postponed on ac count of rain last week, will he one nf the biggest things of its kind ever held In the south. “There will he over 10 acres of chil dren. over 100U individuals in all,” .‘dated Mr. Nespor. 'performing like one unit in front of the grandstand during the festival. These children, through their parents, relatives and friends, represent probably two-thirds of the entire population of Greater Bir mingham so you can imagine the gen eral public interest in the affair.'' The play festival is intended merely as a demonstration of what the play ground and recreation movement is doing in Birmingham. In the past two years this movement has developed from an exceedingly small beginning to one Of the largest of its kind in the country. The children from each section of the city will wear distinguishing color sashes during the drills and dances and special music will he furnished by Memoli's hand. A floral parade and an Italian dance hv Italian people with Italian music will he 'among- the espe cial features. The festival will begin at 4 o'clock this afternoon and last until 6:30, ev ery five minutes a new event taking place. Yesterday George B. Ward, president of the city commission, urged the par ents, the “grown-ups” of Birmingham, to drop business for an hour and visit the fairgrounds, there to see the youngsters play In the abandon of youth, in manner typical of the joyous ar.d irresponsible pe riod of childhood. The first annual girls' athletic meet will occur tomorrow. The programme for the play festival, which will begin at 4 o'clock this aft ernoon, follows: Floral tableau (dolls, buggies, flags, garlands, ictc.) singing "Star Spangled Banner.” Quadrilla Jtaliana Italians. Klappdans (girls>. Shepherdess dance (special). Three Deep (hoys and girls). T See You (girls). Nightingale (special). Tndian dance (boys). Jumping rope (girls). Waltz Maypole (special). Dodge ball (hoys). Garland mazurka (girls). White dove (special). Fourth of July march (all). Recreation wTaltz (special). Maypole dance. PLAN TO MINE FULLER’S EARTH Chattanooga, July 6.—(Special.)—F. G. Ladd of Fort Payne announced here today that a company is being organ *zed in Fort Payne which will mine and distribute a largo supply of fuller’*, earth, which has been located in large quantities in that seetion. Until the beginning of the European war the greater portion of the earth used In America had been shipped in from England. The Fort Payne deposit is said to cover approximately 100 acres and is of a known depth of 28 feet, go ing to much greater depths at points. -—— I_I OF STATEINSPECTOR Manufacturers’ Association Asks for Uniform En forcement of Child Labor Law The Alabama Cotton Manufacturers' sociation. in annual convention here yes terday, went on record as strongly op posed to the proposal to abolish the pres ent state office of inspector of jails and factories, and urged uniform enforcement of the present child labor law in Ala bama. The association met at the Morris hotel. Fifty-four cotton mills of Alabama are represented in the association and a ma jority of this number was present. In addition to going on record for en j forcement of the child labor law the as sociation elected officers for the year. The new president, who succeeds Scott Max well of Cordova, is Scott Roberts of An niston. Other newly elected officers In clude: Joseph J. Bradley, Huntsville, vice president; A. E. Dedyard, Tell City, sec retary and treasurer; B. T. Goodwin. An niston. chairman board of governors. The formal resolutions on the jail and factories inspector are as follows: “Whereas, We, the Alabama Cotton Manufacturers' association, in view of the house of representatives’ bill, proposing to abolish the present state office of in spector of jails and factories, urge the. maintenance of a state office for the uni form inspection of all state industries covered by the present child labor law. Therefore be it, “Resolved, Tt Is the sense of this asso ciation that the best interest of all the industries demand a uniform enforcement of this law.’* VIEWS OF GERMANY ON SUBMARINE WAR GIVEN INFORMALLY TO UNITED STATES (Continued from Page One) ditional messages from Ambassador Gerard indicated t Hat Germany was not prepared to yield to the insistence of the United States on its rights un 'Vr international law, but was dis posed to ask for compromises and « on cej.elons Involving a surrender of some important neutral rights. The situation was not regarded by any means as hopeless because it was believed in well informed quarters that *he mere fact of submitting to Am bassador Gerard a tentative draft of the German reply could be construed : as meaning that Germany might make I further changes if the position of the ! United States was found to be unaltcr [ -il ie. There are evidences. however, 'that some Berlin officials believe pub lic opinion in the United States has been divided since the resignation of Secretary Bryan and that public senti ment here really favors compromising the issue. During the pendency of the negoti ations. the apparent cessation of tor pedoing without warning of enemy ships and the absence of mistake! attacks on American vessels have pro duced a good Impression In official quarters here. The American govern ment has no intention of discussing with Germany the attacks on such cr rgo ships as the Armenian and th«: Anglo-Californian, which were shelled by German submarines after making rereated attempts to escape Although a number of Americans perished as a consequence of these attacks, the Uni ted States recognizes that the German eommartriers under the circumstances w'ere justified in their action. Tt is gen erally understood, loo, that there will * $1.40 maple 7Qp porch rocker i sVj One of the features in our Porch Fur niture Sale Today loveman. Josephl Locb - - -^ be no effort to obtain immunity from attack for ships piimarily engaged in contraband traffic if the latter follow h general policy of resisting capture. But what the American government has been unable to obtain thus far is an explicit agreement that Germany would visit and search unarmed mer | chant ships, primarily engaged in pas * senger trade, which although carrying contraband, would heed the warnings ! of submarines and subject themselves to visit and search, enabling noncom ! b'ltants to be transferred io a pla«.*v of saf< ty in case destruction of a ves | sel as a prize is deemed necessary. Such information as lias leaked out* concerning Germany's proposals indi cates that the Berlin government is j rrc pared to recede to some extent frota hot position with reference to passen j ger vessels, but is inclined to place many restrictions upon their sailings. The United States nas contended that Americans engaged in “lawful .-r ! rands" may travel anywhere on * he | nigh seas on unarmed and unresisting ! merchant ships. To enter into ar i rangements whereby certain passenger I vessels would be given immunity while i others were denied the privilege would, l in the opinion of many officials, per mit the German government to inter pret the measure of neutral rights I which American citizens tould enjoy on the high seas and doubtless in volve the United States soon or latei^ ir. difficulties with other belligerents,* j who. to forward the conduct of their own operations, might insist on art j abandonment of other neutral rights. 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