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THE RICHMOND l)IBl'ATOH-8ATURDAY. DECEMBER ??____._
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STUBBSANDWOMAf!.
;..,.' ?.i.M FlitST l'AOE.)
of 1 I
1 have expresse?!.
f.? TATI/1R "
,v'or. I will state that I have
dls?n*nt?*d from th.- opinion "i
milt." f-.l th ^^iVtTm
here for th. pur; ?se of getting -ill he
?Be?, ?e can. I d?. ? d kn??w an; thing
ah?Hit the legal PO-?*? "r * ?"""'''' ''":
. fot the purrs
trvlna !' ,n*'1 s'ubb*? r1"* '"'"
Di'cueed. ?nd I think the eusstlon IS S
?very prot?cr mm, aad the witnra* should
anaanrit _
The Chalrmsn: I would suggest to ?
r?i Hundley for whose opinion a? a laa
v, i the highest nmpect. thai
In the event this witness should decline
lacl?se !!:< Inform .ti.>n asked for,
that if this commit? ? up
Question, there la no telling bow far
It mifhi go Admitting the rlghtfu
of counsel for Mr StUbbS to SSh thi*1
q.nftlon. !n csse tils gentlemnn declln???l
newer it fand it seems that is his
purpose, as far as I bave heard h.m). It
would ope'i up the question to such an
oaalblr, that it might be necee
rarv to summon witness? s f*?m a dlS
.ir.- her. reedy and
pr??*>Hred to stay any reaaonnble and ne
- ry time to give a thorough tria
It Is proper for us to say th.it with tb*se
checas before ua and their genuineness
lot disputed In my view of It. this cum*
mitt," would not be influenced by any
testimony as to how these checks wer?'
gotten, they hav. been ndmitted t?> i?.
genuine, ?rid. not Lang disputed, they
Stand in that position 1" for. us.
Oenersl Hund?? >-. I have no further
questions to ask this win.,
Views or JUDGE OREEN.
Judge Oreen: I bag to say. In addition.
that whlie a.-r.-atng with (..neral Hund
1. v in his statement of th?- law in saat
ters of criminal examination, it occurs
to me, and the ground on which I put my
vl. ?a of p . that this is a eol?
lateral i.r?.< ? ling. It is an off? r to In?
terject mattet about which there is no
of th'g?h' cka. The
question as to whether th? checks were
?tome by honestly or dlahon?*?stly -to draw
??ff th- attention of the commlttse (and
If w< ?v here, to turn their at?
t< ntlo.it . nd cause it to appear thai th?'
manner In which the checks were gotten
is the enlei object of the investiga
tlon. Now. we ?re not authorized to
tpaik?* an) such tnveetlgatlon; w? are not
gere lor that purpose, except In so fair
as It might n rendered necessary by the
impeachment of any of the wltneesee,
Mm! if you cm imp?- ich this ?vidence by
aay system cf questions to this art these?
cbecks an ti nu?
ire ?hecks and genuinely endorsed?!
think It wou'd be admissible; but It does
Sol gdd anything to the ? vid?.-ncc what?
ever to ?how that they were gotten sur?
reptitiously, admitting that th.it could be
SboWB. a? to which the commltte? know
nothir-g. It does not add anything to the
in this ense as to the ?bearing of
th?**?* check? upon the conduct o!
t add anything What?
laver to show that some raoeal stole them
from his hous? or from anywhere else,
if they were stolen. He says the checks
wen given to him and are genuine, and
It is an entirely collateral matter and
would turn th" committee's attention
into nn entirely different matter to In
rtulre from whom those ehecka w?
u-n to bs presented here Th?*/ are here,
ml Colonel Btubb? has himself admitted
nulneneis.
al Hundley: I have no other ques?
tion.- t i aa-k the Wltai
tHFIKH SITBI Fon POKER PRUT.
I ?i!. ?*? f li 1.1? ?. Mala? ?a I III? t aplani ilion.
The t.nnie l'l:i>e?l In lti nul nu hu in.
Chairman Woods aaaonaeed thai the
:omm!ttee would h'ar any other state
mi (JOB! rail Hind!' y a.-k- -
i?'l Stubbs to take the stand. This was
in Interesting point In th?' proesedlllffS,
u.d all ?yea w? r<- tUTB I OB the Grand
Jejsmaadei as it,- agata took the artt
?JB c'iutr, which h. o< iipied so long on
?bureday, Colonel Btubbs said:
Mr. Chairman, yesterday when I heard
read I was absolutely e?r?
a!n tPia?t th? let With?
ait 1? tkmg at tho- ! came upon
he nta?ml and pronounci'.l th.-rn a forgery.
By r> ison tor that v,.iy- that 1 kn-w poet
Ively well that I h?nl not received any
rhecks during tin- if that ? ha
i was nerfe? t|y willing to swear
0 it. Whi II tn< ';"Wn to
rday afterBOOfl I Saw the date
1 ??.as th-n In a state Of un
lertainty about thosa check??abeelute
?.'!? ?ii uncertainty -because i thought,
"lid will ?how. that ?'hecks ot
aait character had been given me other
ban pi 1S?P und 1 did not want te
???check?, i was no! certain. 1 went out
telj after the adjournment and
r. George Hooker, of Hampton,
i question, whicn was this: "Waa it lKU
it UM thai w? a r.' in Birmingham to
retber?" He thought H was in im. W*
raced it up and found that It was in
he summer th- early summer. JuBS or
uly. or perhaps In May?that tes were
n Birmingham toi . 1 do not
ecolle.it, sir. the exact date that I met
?li. womack, or wbethei I saw him at
ill in October. wj4. or wheth.-r he rant
ne those checks, but I want to Pay that
luring th? winter of im?*St, and during
be year i*m. Mr. Womack was with m,-.
fould coin., in company with me where
ther gentlemen w??re, and 1 received him
a such. I know very well that .
nany of us from Virginia and Ml
.* nt down to Htrmingham tog? ther In
ompany with two sponsois on? Horn
larvland and one from Virginia. 1 re?
id'! him as?all right; and up to
ilthln two years pa??, when the ?canda)
ommenced about the Look concern, 1
ad not, and 1 have ?tudiously avoided
avlng anything in this world exe? pt s
assing remark made to him, or mi y
ther agent of a book company repre
cnted here in Virginia; and rhat Is why
aald ao positively It could not he lKyt).
HIS COURSE CHANOED.
My ooumo towards him an?i other
genta in Vlrginiu changed from the time
his ?candul commenced. Now 1 want to
ay about those clucks: Th?
Ion of those clicks, ? repeat this morn
ag wus not In any way, ehapa, or foim
onne ted with ttif? American Hook Con
ern. agent, or otherwise. The considera?
lone of tlu.se two checks were?theae
antlamen have forced me to come to the
1 ?nd and tell it I did not remember the
ate of thum vmtll 1 saw them. At Pli
nlngbam, previous t.? that time, att.r
tvnt time, I remember distinctly, some
tme In July ?>r August, In a private room
t one ?f the int-1? here perhaps llur
hy'??W-?, With other uiiit lern? n, ill.i m
Ulge. 1 say some time in the BUmm? r
f ??.K after the Birmingham trip, and
SiOffe the ItlimlnKhairn trip, we did in?
nige when we m? i a pu eel of gent La?
ien?in gam?-? of ?ants. We kept mi-mo
andutns between us; l kept i memoran?
te and he kept a memorandum,
nd there ?.re others who s, , ,i
> beep memorandums. und then
re settled. Those w? re th?- con?
?deration? of those .hecks. I have
een forced to make th? .statement that
now muke. Up to that time, sir, not a
reath of suspicion rested against Mr.
r'omuck; and. upon reflectioB, sir. 1 \> at
> ?ay who Introduced me to llr, W?>
mck. A gentlemen from ths county of
?I?- introduced me to Mr. Wo
lack, and that wus the reason, sir, that
regarded Mr. Womack aa a gentleman;
nd thut la the reason that whenevi t ws
entleinen not together to indulge in
ames of that sort he was always re
?ived: but not since the scandal has
lart??d. that I am aware of. hav?
?en a game of cards played where Mr.
i'onw'k was. That is the oonsldsrattoo
f those ?lucks.
alM <>K HIS PITT1.B rLKASUKKS.
Qeaerel Hundley: Have >.,
card-playing with gentlemen, as
a?u tt,iita-'.' I mean as a practice?
Mr. Stubbs: General Hundley, It Is one
f the little pleaaurea .?f 11 r.- tr-at i bavs
idulge?! in for many years. When I
nt oi lbs army I ?Inl not know oi
'um another. When I was at it.
?rslty 1 dodn't know one from an
i the whirl of iKilltical life during ths
?ssioiis of the Lsglslature ! did Indulge
i cards, and when I got off here In
Kuid I used to play games with
.
Q. Have you ever played any other game
tan i.oker.'
A. I know nothbig In the world about
ny other gao what is known
i this day and tiro*, as the gum? of
ukii.
h that the game playe4li in Blr?
tlogbato?
A ' < only game we played In plr
tirtjjhi.iii vf?? poker. I want to My ih?t
* wero down there off from "home,
living a k"< ?i time, v?!i* Pook? r
n Ala!'iimlan; Mr. Hem v Mr Womack--?
na _." ?evi m* mot*
M-?**. ? ' o-nol .'.linking, ?t bast I
id not touch B .h ; l don't know the
ut? of ale, ?ld.-r, wine .?r whiskey; nor
*y lu, **** toU?h,d * *>?*?*ndled peaub In
&ihofo?o.n^ker"Mr *-*
Point, one of the best men In the wo
lb .tub?
g I ?Id you jdav more than one gam?
Birmingham with Mr Womack?
A. 1 Stayed ih?n t'.ve or six nights.
lev? ?fter ! gol there every ?
nlng we would Hike a ?nine, ft.? ?
off from home, 1. Id a 1 ?t?T?r- money, and
Indulg? tl.
g. Hav? you ?ver played at other tli
with Mr. Womack?
A. At th.- oi?i Inchang? Hotel, sir,
have played frequently.
?j Hav? jni ever won any money ft
him?
A. I have, end hnve loaned him mo
over the uni table.
Q. I si ?SB you this question:
Bay you are familiar with card tal
nd usages-does It ever occur that g
t.'.tmn nt cards, not having cash
ban?!, give checks or pass clucks to cr
their losses? Do they trust each ot
at all?
A. They trurt each other, but wl
they Rive check??they Just give chec
<?f course they ?|o.
g. Either nt the time or afterward*
A. Any time; thry do not state
consid?ration of the check.
NO eUjeJHnWM TRANSACTION.
Q. I understand you 10 ?ay to t
committee that thos?- checks have
?'.uiii. ctlon with any business transact!
an) that veu hnve hatl no transact
with th?' American Booh company, w
J. W. Womack, its agent, or with f
other book company or agent?
A. I have answered that question
positively a? I can. And I want to ro?
ano? her statement with reference to
session of IWfi-'W. when 1 was here
the Legislatur?-. The last session I v
here I reckon I played less than I h;
i v. r done at any session, and fr
March. 1K96. up to this time, Mr. Ch?
inan, 1 know I speak within hounds,
have not played tarto?. I thought, wt*
I got t?? be gg old as 1 am, 1 retl?*ct
und said perhaps I ought to "haul In i
horns"; ?nd 1 n.?ve two reasons?the fi
Is. it Is wrong absolutely wrong; ?
the second Is, I know 1 have been for?
!.. make this statement, that wn
grieve my family more than nnythl
ils? In the world.
Q. At the time of which you speak *s
Mr. Womatk. .?> far us you know, tret
ally received and recognlz-*?l as a g?
?lema n? .
A. of course he was, sir. Absolute
is far as 1 know. I hadn't heartl a hre-i
d suspicion against him: ami I repe
ir. wh.n I h.ar'l a breath of ?usploi
igainsl him. and also n contest belwe
u.\ Other ?'???ipantes? book r?mpanle:
is chairman ?>f th? committee 1 atudiot
y a vol.led having anything to do Wl
iny of them.
?'EH Y PLEASANT COHRKSPON:
ENCE.
I) In your extended experience as
ommandir. is it or not a fact that p?
lie who sri prosecuting snterprl
he actp:. In tan? ? of public men and mei
?try of the Legislature, with th? view
mpresalng upen them their Int? :
A. Th'-re is no ?loulit aliout that, si
m i I have in -, n peculiarly bored by l?
iTS. North and South. Blnce I hav? !> -
balnnan <?f the History Committee; ai
do Bot know that 1 hrrVe ever had mo
?has nd correspondence in my life th:
? lth various persona Interested ?s ed
alors since 1 hive been chairman of t!
Itstory Committee, and 1 hav?- ?very b
? r that has be. n writt-n me and ? v?-i
mole that has been i?nt me. Now. the
n l>r. Jones, who is above suspicion;
iSVi invited and courte?! corresponden?
idtb him on this qu?tton. I have evei
?tier that he has written me, and
rlze them highly.
'.? Dr. Jones has written a history hin
If, has he not?
A. Y? s. sir; h? h!ms?lf hns written
latory, snd h. : ?hove suspicion, n?
id 1 know who published Dr. Jones
Istory until he ?t.ttid on the stand ye:
vrday. Mrs. Lac's history is publish?
v ih?? I!. P. Johnson ?'oinpaav. in tt
Ity of Richmi'ii'l. and I have ?one all
ould (and I think I huv?- done som?
aini:? towards bringing that book int
ubllc notoriety and putting it into oi:
ublic schools, for two reasons?first.
I a gornl iiook, and, s?ci>iid. W? are et
Miragtng enterprise in Virginia books.
J.WAT8 FOrc.HT BARNES'S Mil
TORY,
t?. H?ve you ev?r sought In any man
er to fasten ui?on the public school? O
Irglnia what is known as Barnes's His
?ry J
A. <>r, tb? contrary, I have foUgh
anus's History before I was a memo*
f the History ?"'ommltt? < . I think th
l*st utterance I made against it was ii
oanoke. at th.* Grand ?'amp of Ylr
inia; before I was on the committee, m:
rst utterance? were denouncing Barnea
Itstory, and denouncing all ??f thos?
orthern hiatorlea; and ragrettlng es
? edlngly that w? ?ii l not nav? s ins
?ry for the Souih; and Since the historie
ir the South?Hunsell's, Shinn's. [_ee*a
anes's, f'it lils's. ,n?i "Our Country*' (?J
f thosl ?rs by southern authors! ? hav?
|?n in hopes that It was within th?
itiK? "f iirolnibiiity that some of thost
?ok? would I't* used In our public sehoola
??r \'lrginia. 1 prefer Lee's and Jones'S
Q. It was staled fc't stenlny, If I r. m? m
r correctly ?I was he:e patt of thi
me), it was stat"d. I think by ?
[ ?levrood, that you aent out a circulai
) members of the committee recommend
ig 9hlnn's History: and. I think, If ]
tard him correctly. that he state?
hllst on the stand, that Shinn's His
try was not subj?-ct to the sun? obk
on which has been urged against
arn?s; in other words. It is not unfau
t th.- Confederate side; but that he ob
?ted to It on acc??unt of Ils lr.nccura
sal That 1b my recollection of what ht
lid.
A. Yes, sir.
<>. Now at the time you sent those r?s?
inions around to the committee to sign.
hat other southern history >
ili.-i's is a southern history, written by
southern man?what other history was
ring offeied in competition with it?
A. Yes, sir. I am glad you asked that
usti?n. I will explain. The Grand
amp of Virginia passe?! a resolution for
a ? ii and Oimp History Committee to
in touch with the United Conf?d?rale
t? raus' History Committee. I being a
ember of both, the I'nlted Confederate
eteran? refused and failed, ?a i?r. Jones
lid \esti-nlay. to recognize or recom*
end any particular southern history for
iv particular State or school. Tiny give
long list of histories-the Doctor will
inlon me; If he can give me the num
?r? I think it must have been ten or
Ve'.Ve? J
Dr. Jones: AJiout.twelve, I think, air.
THAT CIRCl'I.AR-LETTER. AGAIN.
Mr, stuhl.s {continuing)* Twelve. I was
? s? nt with, the committee??rlth the r?
immt ii'latli'ii that those histories came
to th standard formulated and given
n in the report at Birmingham by that
ilendld scholar. General Stephen l>. I*'c,
? chairman of our History Committee
'hen I came home. 1 could not get a
immlttee meeting. J have not had S
lOrum Of tin History Committee In the
?cees ??f th. Grand Camp <?f Virginia, l
IV? wii'ten all the r? i-orts. and all of
y reports has..- b?-en unanimously a?!opi
I bv the committee. My correspondence
th? rseOW was large. 1 brought all m.v
?T?pondenc? up here with me. And
iv suggestion- that w.r. m.i.le by any
ember of the commute? were iHsrims
I. and 1 pursuetl in my report the same
ie tli.it General !>?o did In his report,
ithoiit selecting any particular history.
I, an.'? refused to recommend any
r history for the schools of V?r?
ela. Ir? ths ?ratter of IKW-'S., I think,
in. where about that time, the School
?' the city of Richmond (mal i
fkon the finest school system In the
ate of Virginia Is that In the city of
k'hmond) a-iopti-d a long report rtt-nm
. nding Shlnn s History for the use ot
public schools In the city of Rich
mi?!. When I saw anything uiSout school
stories I ?tupped and ri-ad it as car?
lly as I could; ami it t u?k me that
war- the wry thing to do to get rid <?t
history that was on our ?chool list or
Board of Education, to drive Barnes's
istory from ?the public school?; and 1
ink th<- circular was sent out. If I had
? circular h?-re now. air, you would s??*
at l quoted from the Richmond Dis
tch the report of the School Uoard. (1
i.'t know wh.-ther I am using the tech
[???1 term employed here In the city of
chtnond, but in the country we woul?
II I. the S<hiH.l Hoard). And I almpiy
'>! . alotifi with that report, that I ap
i tin- plan. It being a ?outhern
?tory, and would drive from our school
irnea'? History, if the Grand Camp
ould, at it. next ??ssion, see fit to
Opt It and report upon It. I think I aent
I am not positiv??hut I thin? I sent
first to Colonel Hume, or Dr. Tucker,
th tho request, in un open letter, to
use forward to B, and B would for
ir?! It to C, and around so, until I re
mtier Captain HazK-wood whi the last
? I asked that the letter be sent to. 1
I n??t hear from it. and I wrote t?i Cap
n Haalewtxitl. He <-mlorsed on It?I do
! :ii..?!nb??r his umlorsment?but I ?lo
u? mb.-r that a majority of the commlt
wcte opp -?d to the itlstorv Commii
? recommending any particular history;
ie matter stopped. We met at th.
and Camp the following summer, and
?n St was that the report thai you have
n filed In our rtscord of the Histor"
mmltte**-1 think that mu**?. have been
Wlncheater. And in Winchester we
?1 In our report, we recommended the
l of the following book? in the public
mh.Ih of the South-the same that were
otnmended by th? United Confederate
teran? In the cMy ot Houston, Teg.,
th? ?umir.fr of IHM. and I quoted what
ncral Lee in hla report ?aid. whlcit
i-i? up many page?: and I i.l?o em
?<-?d in that report the list of public
tool book? t?-at should he u__td in th?
I, public schools of Vtrglnta-eixtr-e
books that should he read.
t Colonel ?'i.ths h? r.- reed from a pi
M pamphlet recommendations contn
.1 In the report referred to. nnd. ccn'lm:
.- ?aid;
e HOT IN THFHt BMPLOT.
e "We did everything we emil?! t,? !
nway Barnes's History. As to the chi
a that has been made about my h?-iri|
the employ of th. American lt?><'k 4
e fern. 1 challenge any man to put his
g?*r ?>n uny a?*t of mln?* that ha? ever
n four,ig?d liftmen's History, or ?ver
i'outai'.'l any panic-ular lw?ok c?"a ri
y com?- t?> Virginia to do business, ?hi
contrary. I have stood by tbe soutl
u publishing houses; nnd also I am d<
* ail I <*?n now to g?-t up material fr
i- book that Is being published by l?r. .1?
n in the city of Atlanta?the ??lltor. (* ?
r ral ('lern Eva ne?I forget the nom? of
r bo??!:.
Dr. Jones: "The Confederate Llbrai
n Mr. Btubba: T?ta I have now before
l? totters from him asking me to pi?
give him some information, and I w
to do this. I am going to lay his cli
' l.-.r-lett? r before th?* R. R l^*e Can
and other camp*?, to help me to sen?l
the information t<> fjeneral Bvaaa. I h
? done all that I could. And in concita
? I want to say- ('en.nil. do you want
, ask m? any more (juestlons?
n Oenera! Hundl?*y: I want to nsk
, one ?>r ?two. I think it wn? stated
v. resterdaf* by one of the witnesses?i
baps Captain Cussons?thait th- Hist
H Committee of the Grand ?'amp ha?!
p meetings, or very few meetlnga. Dl
i understand him correctly?is that n 1
, that they held very few meetings?
n HI?tory Committee of the Oread Curnf
f, A. They held their annual meetl
t regularly.
Q. I i ty the History CommMt ?
1 A. Oh, y?-s; very few, sir; 1>?*< uua ?
i could not ret them tog? ther. Colo
Cuaaona and Captain Har.lewoo?! wo
j always respond: but the*.- other gen
t men, men of business, would alwi
1 write that they could not be here.
1 Q. I ?Id you ??/ver obstruct In any m?
l ner ?nv contemplated meeting of tl
5 commit??-?'"
A. No. sir; for at every meetlag
, called I was present. iir'*' n" "n" '
pr?sent sometimes but myself. I was
I willing to call a meeting when?''
any of the other m-mhers want? 1 it.
(j. Have you aver in any manner |
i any olislructlons In the way of BSCUn
a history fair to the southern cause
i curing Its being placed on the list of ti
i histories?
A. I have not. sir; lut It has 1, a i
life-long work to si-e a southern hisp
i In southern school?, and 1 hope to live
see that 8*4*00 hlrtory that is publiai
north of Maaon'fl and Hixon's line k?
ther? by S Chinese wall, and our ?li
drin taught onlv from southern bool
That is all I wish to say, and that h
been my aim.
Oeneral Hundley: I hav?* no furtli
; questions.
THF HIRM1NOHAM OAMF,.
The Chairase a Colonel Btabbe, you a
a memh.r of the History Committee
thi Qrand Camp Of Virginia'.' I un?l?
.stand from your testimony that you B
also a member of Ihe History ?^ommitt
of the Pnited Confederat? veterans;
that so?
A. That Is true.
y. So you occupy that position on tl
two commutes thai atre <-hairge?l wl
the inter? sts of recommending prop
histories to be uaed In th. South?
A. V?-s. sir.
Q. At th? tim that jrou say you hr
this gam? "f ca?da with Mr. woraad
was not the convi ntlon of the I'nit?
Confederate Veteran? In session?
A. in Birmingham- yes, sir.
?j. Y.iii think it wa? then and thei
th.it th? eoaaideration arose that result?
I In th<- giving of those checks?
A. Partly; ye*, ?ir, I ?aid i artiy.
?j. You stii.d. if j understand .votier
rectly, thait la thai rame, or in bobm I
those games played In Binning?am, M
Womack and Mr. Henry were present?
A. 1 am not certain, sir. whether ?.ij
tain Henry wats present, tar Mr. Womac
present, at ?very gam?, but they wei
pr< *t tat .a- ni" of the t'aiin? s.
q. They wers both present at feme c
the gamee?
A. Yes, sir.
<j. At that time, as i understand 1
Mr. Womack r?pre?anted th? America
Book Company and Captain Heary th
Ualveratty Publishing ?Company?
A. 1 hat was rny understanding.
?j. i-id Mr. Womaek and Mi. Henry g
with you to Pirniingham?
A. I think they m>-? several of us n
DanvUle, Mr. Chairman. I think theyax
BS at Da villa They went in'to P.irming
ham together with me. sir.
(J. Do you recall whether th.*y Stoppel
at th?- same hous?-, or hotel?
A. They did, sir.
OCCUPIED THE BAMB BOOM.
Q, DM either one of thoes penllsmsi
occapy the -a;ne room with you 0
A. I win i to Uirmlngl.tirti. I think, loi
s room. Mr. fJeorge Booker, an Alaba
m?an, Captain Henry ?I don't know tbi
Alebamlan'B name?. Cbptaln Henry, Mr
Womack, and myself occupied room
I think, four or ire ?latvs. ftr, p..*tk.r. I
think, left before I di?i. I d<> n??t r?
BOO/, sir. what time tithi-r of the othei
gentlitmen left; bul I think, sir. I oam<
up on tii?. Southern road, coming In by
DanvlUe, and rny imprcaalou la that those
er gentlemen must have gone by 'Ihi
Seaboard Air-Lin? into Norfolk. I think
I ft mi nilier hearing them nay that wa?s
the rout? th.y would tak?>. but l cannot
recall whether they came back with m?
or not.
Q. Do you remember whether Captain
H?nry or Mr. Womack WON in any way
ollicially cniacled with the United OOtt*
!'?*.! rate Veterana' Association?
A. Mr. Chairman. I want to say this:
Thai I do not think Captain Henry was
S soldier. I aim under that impression.
When we reached Birmingham, Mr. Wo?
mack went ..nt and returned to hi? room
with a badge on?a tin badge, on. or
thoes bande?me hedges they bad down
there; aay atember who was' down there
will romemtx r them -with the name Of
ih.* regiment on them. Be earn? "i>ack
with one of them that had on it. I think,
8econd Kentucky Regiment, company
something?and in the presence of several
gentli inen standing arouod he said, t
think. "This is a nie?- liadg?- to carry
horn?-, to show what command are Brers
In." and I at the same time w? tit out
and got one for the regiment that my
brother was in?I think the Thirty-fourth
Virginia, and my same ol?l company, but
I did not get one for myself, as I did
not belong to th? company at the close
of lb?- war?Company A, Thirty-fourth
Virginia.
?J. Colonel. I rappoa? you knew at that
time that Womaca represented the Amer?
ican Booh Company, and that Henry rep
r.Mti'teil the Fniverstty Publishing Com?
bat ny"
A. I did, sir. I ni'ver had the slight??t
siispic'-oii Of anything wrong about either
of thftn. I looked upon th. m just a I
would look U|M>n any lawyer that was
repreaenttftg a company, that was con?
versing wi'h me. 1 was as Innocent ss a
In ml?, so far as any suspicion being cae*
upon me for speaking to these g.ntle
inen.
!>\ll> HIS OWN BXPENSE&
Q. T!ie question I am about to ask. 1
am sur?. Is not a pleasant one to ask.
but it is in iustfc?' to yourself, sir, as
w?ll as ourscivi-s. to g?-t at th? facts. 1
will ask you this question: Did, or ?11*1
not. Mr. Womack pay any pain or the
whole, of the expense? Incurred ty >'?>u
In going to or coming back, or while you
Were In Birmingham?
A. No. not one ?lime; nor any other
man;.I paid 1? out of my own pocket, as
poor ft* I am. I am as poor as any man
here, hut I paid every cent of my own
exp ns. s on ?hat trip; no other man paid
i dim? of them.
ij. No part of your expenses, us I un
deratand you, arere either directly, or
Indirectly, defrayed by Womack or Ben?
ry?
A. No. sir; nor by anybody else. I could
III afford it. because 1 was educating at
that time three boys at college, and I
have tried to educate six children; but I
thought it was my duty to go as a mem?
ber of the United Confederate Veterans,
and also as member of the History
Committee, and I did go, and I think I
stayed ther?? I do not remember h??w
many days. I went by the Danville road,
and returned by the Danville road, paying
out, I forget how much, for my tickets.
Mr. Womack. nor Mr. Henry, nor any
Other man pah) OBS dim?- Of my expenses.
PLAYED A BIO OAMB HERB.
Q. When you left Birmingham. c;?n you
stute whether Womack owned you aa
much as f?*54>?
A. I stated distinctly, Mr. Chairman,
thut before I went there he had memoran?
dums against me; there he hid a large
memorandum against me, and since, hero ,
In the cltv of Richmond, I think some
time In the hummi.T. two ?ir thr.?? times,
but at one time, us Mr. p.ioker would tell
you, at ene time it was us high as liw?
differ?-!' ? between the parti??, playing [
that evening. It was what we calles! at
that time a "big ?* im " We were away (
from home, and lively. I saw one of the
men who was playing cards?I think It
was Mr. Booker?who was ?f/i a.r $i>i ahead ,
of the game. Everybody knows Oeorge ,
Booker; be sat there and they got It
back-just pleasantly together. I remem?
ber at one time 1 was largely ah? ui of ,
the gam?-. I left Birmingham ahead of i
the gam?-- how much, I do not know. I ?
know 1 loan??-?* money to Mr. Womack
across th? board several times?two or i
three times?while we were In those t
ir ?m?-?. f ?
?J Can you approximately state your d
re?,.ll.atlon as to what estent Womack
was Indebted to you when you left Bir- e
mlng ham?
A. I cannot, sir. I can state positively,
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Mephcn llonaal.
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.In in?-!? Ilurnea,
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t y ",\ :i non n.
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lie?, .lonliili Stroll?.
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15
eteeeeeeeeeegegegeeeeeeeeeeoeoeeon ?*>~s?i*?ft?n-_?aasBB?Bt??--?>t_?a.?.TMiniiniaimiiniimniairi
though, that the date of those check
was the consummation?was the windln
up of all our connection -and i am pre?
ty certain that sine that time he ha
not ??wed me anything, or 1 owl hir
anything.
<? Colonel, you are s.it!sfi??I that tho?
check? dosed up that matter with Mi
Womack?
A. Yes. sir; I am sattsrled those ?ire th
lust checks I ever received from htm.
1>H? NOT KM ?W WHY.
y. These checks?one of them for $204
?i, I the oth'T for $."x>-are both dated th
l?ith of October. MM, Will you ple-ns.
State, sir. in settling a debt of that ?.ha
ni ter, how It was that two checks wer
atesta on th? rams dar, oa th?- sam
bank, .'?nd collected?that is. cashed?her
III Ki.'hmond on the same ?lay??-specially
though, how i: comes that two check;
1 to ! tjlven to settle an oh
debt, and Bfl "it ?ibligation?
A, Mr. ?Chairman, I said distinctly an?
emphatically that I do n??t recall, I wil
tell you how I think it occurred. I thinl
I must have been in Richmond, ;tn?l wh?*i
in gave mn one check I put It in mj
k.t. and then I expect we got inte
another gum?- the samo day?that Is mj
interpretation of It. I think we musl
have gotten in a game that night, and I
happened to beat him again. That Is mj
ion of the matter,
?.?. ?Colonel, the checks are both ?int.?.
th" ?am? day; they were both cash?-?
thai .lav-lbs lOh of October?by f*h<
Ptainters' National Bank.
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Thi s.- ?hecks were given to you or
the 16th on the date they bear?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Well, sir, can you recall which oni
of those checks was given you first?th?
.*".' " check or the $;? check?
A. Inde?! I cannot, Mr. l*h;iirman.
have told you ?All th.? facts about then
thai I can recall to save my life.
<i. These checks haivang been given or
t!. date thait Is Axed upon them?the 16tl
October?after one of them was given t(
you, you think that that night, perhaps
.mother rams occurred?
A. Or that day. air, I reckon. Som?
time during the day, I reckon, Mr. Chair
m;.n; I don't know.
Q. In a matter lnvolvtng sums of thi?
' liataicter-t?O and $2u?>- can't you recall
if you ha?! a game during the ?lay. aft.i
receiving the first check, and before th?
nl of banking hours? Can't you recal
whether you won in that game $200 oi
the $50?
A. Indeed I cannot recall It to save
my life, sir. I tell you the consideration
of the checks and the circumstances at?
tending them. I have told you all I
could.
?j. I believe the Planters' National
Hank In this city clos-es at 3 o'clock in
the afternoon?
A. I believe so, sir. I deposite?l th?m
tirare, sir. I reckon I did: I don't re?
ne ml? r? either In person or by letter; 1
don't remember which. I am just telling
you that those two checks must have
been given differently, They are both
tbs s.inie datte, and the considerations
ir?- the ?ame, hut I don't remember the
me? ? attending their execution;
I have really forgotten.
DIP NOT CASH THEM.
Q. Judging from the endoraemeat upon
I lacks, th?y were given upon the
tfth October; before 3 o'clock on that
lay they were either deposited to your
?Tedlt or you received the cash for them.
Will you please state, sir, whether you
ailb ct'.l thin*?- cheeks in cash or whether
the money went to your credit at the
Planters' National Bank.
A. I am very certain that I did not re
elve that moii'-y over the counter of the
Planters' National Bank. I have never
receive?! that much over the counter, and
t must have been that it was placed to
n.iv ?redit I cannot recall, sir, that 1
had the use of $260 in money to carry
Home with me, or to use out In the coun?
try.
?J. Colonel, since the adjournm-nt or
this committee on yesterday, hav?- you
xamined the ledger of the Planters' Na?
ti?.nal Bank to get any further light on
la at question?
A. I have not, air; and I find out. too,
?Ir. that it has been my custom, as I
IBV0 se? n It shown by my present check
amok, just to give the amount of the
checks on my memorandum an?l not by
? horn drawn or anything else?perhaps
he da'e; but I dl?l not see any neoes
dty of going there to the ledger; but.
?ir. if the committee can And out any
lilng in the world I crave that the ledger
ihali be examlne.1. If they think It will
hrow any light on the subj'-ct.
Q. Do you recall the fact that these
hecks were read out by Major Randolph
n/hen he produced them?the face and the
ndorsement both?
A. Ye?. ?Ir; I was sitting back there,
ind I understood Major Rnndolrth to say
listlnctly that it was October. 1886. but? 1
vas mistaken; and you will remember
hat yesterday, before I took the checks,
said if th?.y were dated In 18? they
rere forgeries. When I saw they were
luted in Im I recalled the fact that two
ears previously I had ceased having any
ort of?well, recognition, of Mr. Womack,
trevlous to that time?It was in 1<S!M, 1
lid not know whether It was In 1?IM or
ft?_ I h.?l wound up my transactions
nth him, until I fourni out from Mr.
looker that it was in tax that we were
n Birmingham, and then I said that was
h>* consideration of those checks, find 1
? v ?o still. I did understand Major Han
olph to use the word IS*"., and when he
aid It. I sab: In an undertone, "those
hecks were forged." He read It 1?M. but
understood Mm PW.
U. Did I not aira read those check? du
i ring the examination of Major Randolph
A. I do not recall, sir. The fact Is,
thought It was I?**, until I took th?'rn tr
t mv hinds; because you will remember
i pronounced th?*m forgeries before lookln?
at them?beforo I found out anything
t positively about the checks? exc?-pt I haa
?beard them reud; I thought it was IS*).
BOO CAMB OUT WINNER.
' Q. By Judge Oreen: Can you remembet
Whether. In these largo number of gam? >
vou had with Ml*. Womack, you cam?
out winner or loser?
A. Sometimes I came out winner, an?
sometimes loser; but on the final result
I came out winner. I presume I played
? with him two or three dosen times, an?!
th.r? was only a loose piece of papei
, I between us to tell us bow We stood, as 1?
ftv'iueiitly dono between gentlemen. And
wh'-n we would com*, together we would
settlo up.
K?. By tho Cbailrman: On ye?
terdaiy. In making your statement
at the commencement of your tes?
timony, you used, I believe, this lan?
guage Ht wus taken down by tho ste?
nographer): "I want to emphasise as far
as I cam. as a human I?elng can empha?
size, that I have n.-v-r Seen, never heard
of. nor ever received the consideration?
of those checks mentioned here to-day."
A. Yes, sir
Q. As I understand you now, you qualify
that statement, and correct It by a-lmlt
ting that you did receive the considera?
tions for those checks.
A. I mean to say that when those
checks were given -when I was on the
stand vsti-tday I had no hlea what the
consideration was, and I was under the
Impression that this game question was
i rattled In 1893; and I say distinctly" that
th.? date of those checks fell on my ears
as 18SU. und those were the checks I re
f?'rred to as not having received any
consideration in framing or otherwise.
N'?iw I state distinctly that the eonsld?
rattlons for those two "checks were gam?
ing considerations. That ia what I want
to emphasize.
when Their pl?ay bkoun.
Q. In your statement yesterday you
used this language: ".Some one said L
wats Intimate with Mr. Womack. I am
not Intimate with him. I know him as
art rybody else knows him; I want to say
to this committee that as chuirmnn of th?
History Committee, I have m-ceseurlly
had Interviews with men who were advo?
cating certain books, pleasant as they
could be. no proposition ever made to
prefer one book to another." And then
you go oh to state about receiving US?
ten. Your statement then was that you
had never b>sen intimate with him, but
thait your relations with him have been
on the line you suggested this morning,
within social games with him running
through months?or years, whir h ?
A. I think, sir, it commenced In the
H. I do not recall?lt??-'lM,
I think?may be ten or twelve months,
Mr. Chairman. I am not Intimate with
Mr. Womack. I have played games of
cards with him, and have playe?! games
of cards with a great many BSSB that
perbeps would not be called Intimate
With me. When a parcel of gentlemen sit
down to play cards, and a man come? in
and asks to take a hand, it is all over.
He may be a gentleman, but I need not
be Intimate with him. Very many people
I have indulged with I would not ask to
my beiuM .
PROMPT PAY THE CUSTOM.
Q. Colonel Stubbs, as a mutter of In?
formation, when these games are played,
ind money Is won. Is it customary for
lb?, matter to be closed up months after?
wards, or for It to bo settled at once, or
within a short time?
A. It Is customary for them to do the
bast they can. 1 havu seen long accounts
run for several months, but It Is cus?
tomary to pay up Bl once; but If Mr. Wo?
mack could not pay up at once, it was
all right. I have ow?-d little amounts
myself; I have owed from one session of
the General Assembly to another, be?
cause the parties have toi?! m? that It
would be all right when I cume back
again. You have no Idea how sweet und
Indulgent we poor mortals who love to
play cards an* to each other.
Q. In asking you questions about the
circular that you sent out to different
members of the History Committee, and
as to the endorsements made upon that
circular?that circular. If I understand It
correctly, recommended the adoption of
Shinn's History by the Board of Educa?
tion of this State for the schools of this
State; is that the case?
A. No, sir; that circular, Mr. Chair?
man, you are misinformed, perhaps.
Shinn'a History had already been put on
the ll?t of the Board of Education by
recommendation of the Grand Camp. As
I said yesterday, I went and saw the
three members of the board Then this
circular was Issued to the officials In the
counties. My Idea was to see if the offi?
cial? in the counties would not unite
upon the same book that th? city of
Richmond united on, and thereby help to
get lid of Barnes's; if the city of Rich?
mond had united on Hansell'e series or
Holme*'? book, I would have done tho
same thing, but I had no reference to
?Shinn's particularly; it was simply be?
cause the School Board of Richmond hod
paved th? way to having one book in
th. school?.
O. But that circular did recommend
Shinn's History?
A. It did, ?ir; I have never thought of
that circular from that day until it was
mentioned yesterday.
Q. Shinn's History 1? publtahed by the
American Book Company, I* It not?
A. I believe it is sir; in fact, I have
always heard ?a
Q. Tou were asked by General Hund??**
r the question a-t to whether you h ni < \
1 obstructed in nny way meeting; of t
r History Committee or th?? (.?-rand Cai
I of this State. On that tine I have h?
? what purports to be ?i eommuni.atlon I
! dressed to Colonal Stuhbs by Captl
I Thomas r.llett. the Adlutant-Cen? ral
the Virginia Camp of Confedera.? V?
rann. I don't know whether I can re
?very word of it mys?df, n? I um r
familiar with the hamlwrltlng, and It
| In pencil, too. 1 will get Captain Eilt
to read it.
t EI-LETT'S ___n*T-_B TO COK STUBB
: Captain Ellett reud a copy of hi? lett
to Colonel Stubbs, aa follows:
July 8. 1897.
Dear Colonel.?I huve been Instruct?
by our Grand Commander to write yt
a*? to th? DS?t course to pursue In regai
to the school-history quet-Oon. for if an;
thing iu to be accomplished for th?* ne;
future. It muwt be done now. an<l henc<
forth ma?le a burning Issue by tli Oral
Camp through Its Mibontiiiute camp? ar
members. When ?lo<?s the present COJ
tract for furnishing book? to th?- It?
expire, ami wh??n will the State Bina
ttenal Board meet to award the next toi
tract, for l_ It not very important 1?
the c?r.tiul Camp to aiipeur before It
some way. eithur through It? Ilistoi
Committee, ifs orflc?'r><, ??r a special eon
mittet- appoint-,| by th.? Atlvisory ('tun
? ii. ?all??I ?-specially for that purpos?
For It Is absolutely neeessury, If we e:
pect any action to be taken, to have
delegation of BOBS? kind to ajip?ar bflfoi
the Itsts Educational Board and derasr
fcomo action whereby at least the obje
tiotial school books will be remove.l fro
the li"ts and the more acceptable on?
substituted. Aft??r that is done, tl
(?rand Camp must go through It? cami
to the county superintendents, and see
it that the histories are ?hanged In evei
school accordii.K to the Hats, and that r
teacher, no matter how reread or pr
ferrcd any particular objectionable N>ol
muy be, shall be allowed to use th? m i
their schools. Now, with this ptilley del
nlteiy marked tint and energetically pu
sued, with other suggestions that w:
ail?"- is we move on, cannot the Orar
Camp start tho ball am! keep It movlr
until something tangible la gained, ar
in tie end a complet? snenaaa asuurei
The Grand Command? r will be very mui
obliged for your views and suggestions
this matter. Yours t>uly.
TU i I.MAS EhLETT,
Adjutant-?;
THE ANSWER IS READ.
Q. By Chairman Woods: Do you reci
re? eivlng a letter of that purport? Hat
you a reply to this letter. Captain E
lett?
Captain Ellett: I cannot find the repl
My impression Is that I aent it to tl
(?rr?n<t < ?immander.
The Chairman: I think some ??-entlcrai
hnd the r. ply to that on y. ?teraay.
Captain Cus*on?: I bar? the r?ply. M
Chairman. (Produce? the letter.) I r
quested the A?IJutant-(i. lierai to let n
hav.? th?- reply, so that 1 might s.
whether It would be necessary or a?!via?
ble to tak.? any other m eu su re for tl
attainment of that, end,
Q Hy Chairman Wocds: I will get y(
to look at that letor and state wheth
It Is the reply you made to th* la tt?r
Captain Elfett.
Witness examines the letter handed hi
niter being produced by Captain Cussod
and replies: 1 do not remember, air, tl
date of the letter, but this is my lett
in reply to the letter I received, and y<
can read It, sir, or I can read it.
Colonel Stublis reads hla letter In rep
to above letter from Captain Ellett.
follow*:
Wood's X-Roads P. O.. Vi
July 24. 1(91.
Captain Thomas Ellett, Adjutant-Oner
Grand Camp of Confederate Veteran:k
Virgin!?, Richmond, Va.:
Dornt Captain.?Yours making lnqul
about History Committee received sever
days ago, and my excuse for not wrltli
1? that 1 have been on the go ?.-v-ry ?1.
and have not had th.? timo to write.
hive been at work as best I could on tl
report for the Orand Camp thi? fall. A*
the histories to be used In our ?choc
I write; the present list of s.-hool hlsl
rie? for our sch?Kils cannot be cnangt
before next spring, whin the new Boa
Of Educ.itlon let out new contract?, r
four years and the historie? then select
will bo u?ed session 18W-'?. At th? me?
Ing of the board next sprtna will be t
time for us to make the tight to ha
placed on the list auch hlaioriea as t
'Hani Camp may name at the lie
meeting in Richmond?the histories to
named will be discussed. We ar?. inovi
i 'ong quite well In our section ; o
ramps are activo and at work. 2 teg*
my otliclal engagement? prevent?.i r
fr??ni ?olr.g to Nashville. I have h??a
that the reunion at Nashville dl.i n
com? up to Richmond. I will try ami c?
to ?ee you when 1 como to Rlchmji
again.
Your? truly and fraternally.
J. N. STVHUS
Q. Thi? letter from ?Captain Bltett,
copy of which has been reno, wa? ?
urging Immediate and vigorous actlo
with a vlatw of brlnxlng influence to be
upon the Stat<? Hoard ?... that the prop
historie? could bo adopted. In, yeur lett
on that ?ublerl (quoting from th? I? ??
you were ai'udlng to the next meeting
The Grand Camn, atrhtch occurred in ocl
ber in this city?
A. Tes. ?ir.
WHY MEETINO NOT CAI J.ED.
Q. And your suggestion was that at t
meeting of the board?that 1?, the Boa
of Education next spring, "will he tl
t_rc_?r Un>* fur ua to make th? fight
have ptaood on th? list such histori? ?
th?* Or .11 I ( 'am?? may Mm?
A. ! ? s. ?Ir, May 1 niak?
ment?
q. ?Certainly.
A. At the meeting of th" Oread
th?* re;,art of the Hist
adopted to th.u effect, and the Hi-'
Committee waa directed to ?a bel
Board of Educntton and present thoee
histories, and let the Hoard of Bd
select; and the History Commit!
now form??]. Is specially charg?
that duty?to carry those histories t
the ! .'?! '. next spring, and Barn?*?'?
tory is not on the list; and we hav?
tories there written by southern nut) .
fit for our children to read. I thongi I
a .is . all ai meetlag r>f lli
mittee between June aim! October
cau?? I always ftUle'l to get th-rn '
get her. ! knew that Captain Pin? ?
was always ready, aad "
Haalewood, but ih' r- wei
committee?I beih-vo there w<
there not, Captain Ellett?
Captain Kll.-rt: Ther? are eigl I now
Colonel Btubbs: Thi i
Qraad Camp meeting Dr. Pr, x of R
mond, was t?cete?!, and he made a "?
? tlici? nt member.
?j. By the ?'batim?n: You did
for tho reason? you haiv.
'.he suggestion of having any nn
your committee bcfor.- tn? meetlag o(
?'.i ?i ?i Cama?
A. I cant say I didn't .., I
did not think, Judging from tl
I ..mid gel ? committe? ii""?iiig at '
sssensi <?f tbs year, and I knea thai
- un?, objecte eould bx iccoinpilehed
open meeting of the Of*and ? "ami?, to t
this commltt?'?: appoint? ?1 to g > before th?
B.ard oi BducatlOB In Mac I
we could have bin.- a we bad
meeting was to perfect a plan to r*p ?r
the Grand Camp; and that plaa 1
geste?! was a.looted at the Grand I I
that the B??ard of Education-?,
i by th.- chairar?an),
' h airmail Woods: We Will BUSp I ' '
one .'ninuie. ?Coloael Taylor hea just *
out.
INFLUENCE ON* OEFP'IA.
W. By Chairman Woods (allai '
Taylor had returned): GblO?tel Stubl
It BOt a well-known fact lb.it th?
Ushlng houses are anxious t > |
books adopted 111 tile ?st:it?', i
ral Stat.s. and that thty ,ir?. .?
active in bringing iaflaenoes to ?
legitimate Influences to .. fia. i?. th
of tbe State tn favor of th? I
Bpective publication.*- "
A. Mr Chairman, I don't kn
own knowledge of any ir.:'.
by any company. Hi? ,\
directly, upon any official lu vu
get th.'lr bonk? passai upon by ih? 0
o? Rducatlon, fou .un ine d ' ?
fact that It is generally thought. Ii
be so, but I speak of rra
kaowl? Ige. and my own opinion. I K
thait rn. ?,n<. has appro.?.,-.-, 1 n.?*. ir?
mann? r, shape, or f?irm, to use sre
ttuence I have, if 1 r.avt any, t?> i "i
their work forward la t;.
? I have voluntarily s
have told >ou us my pref?ren .? _ fc r <*
b'-.kS.
Q. In order that yo?j mr.y under
bjeel of my qu
Is it not a fact that
Interested in those various
that ?a, the publish
course, v.ry aagtOU? to h?l
bo.ir.ls adopt th?ir oooks? At. I la
alao a weu-kaaown t-- I th . .
Ruencea as th.v choose to brtag ?
in th. way of strong r??tm ?*
la tn?- way of appeal?, to
nirara&y made t.. tbeai
! of th.- time ?if their m< ti -
it not a fact that the agent? of th.
? "inianles. und the friends of th?
. impunie? Interested In them. bring l
InSueaee to hear In great n
waj? of commendat! n and urgency
th? State officials before th. a
Is ?ailed for the purpose of pasxa? ?
than apodal question; art?! was pel
lett?r. which was addr?s? *
Judging from the tenor of it i - !
purpose to guard the State oft!
against committing them.?ei\-, loo h
ly to any particular book or any i ar?
ticular publishing house?
A. Well. now. sir, I understand l
quatstlon. My reply was as you I
heard It, that the Orand ''inn> ? !
ginla could take this question into coo
-id? i.itlon In October. Two m?-ml
the Hoard of Education were ?in?!:'
before the people, and were ri?>t el?
until afl?r Hi? pres?-nt Hist.ry i
ti ' was appointed; they ? '
2?i day of November t.? ?ait. th. ?
'it ; ite--.il of tin- i-ute and tie
nor of Virginia. They are mad
? 'institution memtH-s ..f the !
Education. You ask for my opie
talnly It was. It would hav fx ?*n ht?
improper if, during the can vasa
tory Commltt??? h.??l ad<??,u-<! r***??l a
to tnat ?-fr.'.-t, an.l for th?*m. ! '
meeting of tho Orand CBmp. t.? lev?
untarliy usurped th? function? ?-if
Grand 4'.imp. and to have gone to
candidate and ?ail.l: "W. via: ; ?
such a history." The Oread Camp
ed our suggestion?, and it Is no* '
?luty of tbe History Committee to ;
the?? mutters before the Board of r.?i -
cation. I think that i- a? full as I caa
anawer It
HE AND Ct'SSONS DIFFEP'
Q. By General Hundley: Y?>u bav? Sera
taking this matter ui? where the ? ? >
mittee left off. !f 1 understand th??e te?
letter? (orreetly, ih?- Grand Vug?_!_r
et that time, who wsa ?".?,.;
ICONTINL'J-U ON TtllHI' I'AOW