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liSehair offer In tlie Conv«nUoh: an'arriencU Ittintl tor Insert, the- words "or; elected^' ?*ftcr|thcivword*vappolnted.-^i^ ; : ' ;,, s^rb^ CHAIRMAN: £;The£ Secretary; will ir»a<l the second section. |^3&-;;WlTHEßS:i;lv:Uilnk.i'probably,iin fcrder^ to^ comply^ wi th \ parll amen tary ; pror v is : necessary j: at S this r point to f!reßd?thc*mJnority£report :an<J, oircr—; . If the firenOeman Strom I Danville! will "aliowi me lto t Interrupt him 'for one xnomen t," If desire tto .make . a In behalf !of; the : committee to re-; ether last^:votc.^ Onev genUmtin, g«t ? lea»t v who: is f present has "Just; stotea fethat' he voted • unacr a ; toisapprenhenslon. ■. jandMn;«ddiUon,toi;this/rcasoiiKror j rnaic-; ; Jng the motion. , I will : state^*t>i£ • "|| t report of; the committee on .this-poln^s tworth anything at ; all It certainly ought ; Itoibemaintalncdinltbe manner | Ittwas ly: reported. Under tne ■ I present arrangement— , .w/ ?§The CHAIKMAN:; Vvhatis the-motlon ; ? of tho renileman from Prince i>VJll «n?^ Mr. TMdKA'iu'N : I m&ke Uie motion to r^onsideri the vote by which; the,amend- Imenl offered by the firentleman f roar Nop "*olk, county ; (Mr. PorUpck) ; was radopteo\ liwiU r briefly give the^reasons ; w h>^the ; committee desires to have the vote ; re- from one gentleman, at least,; now present, that he voted, under ; SlUipprehension. : He Intended, to; vote from the way in : which = he, d^ -rote- He states! that he. vpt«d In? the • af-.. flrmative when he intended; to vote in Uie *1f a lhe C '^nendmcnt: offered by the gen tleman Trom Norfolk county prevails, the «ff^tVf will be that a treasurer, at the cxJlraUon of his ternr of eight : years, can become deputy-treasurer, and vice- Tersa. This would destroy; the. ; very ob ject that the committee of vwhich^l^m desired to accomplish. -\ ou had better let the: treasurer «rotin"^t 0 hold: indeilnitely Uian to let; this amend- a £ S^j^LtON: May I ask the rentle the gentleman from Norfolk; 'county&ugg lies the object of the report of your xom- cittec. Is it not a little singular that.your committee did not use. the .words or dtpuiv ' in' maKing their report? Mr." THORNTON: We did put those I words In bur report. '* ,', ' - . , Mr HAMILTON:' It was not so. printed, and you accepted an amend pMr. THORNTON: No, sir: I beg; pardon it Was so printed, ; and the. gen-; ileman from; Alleghany. made a sug-. ' gestion that Ihe report was not . suffi-. ciently .clear on that point. ; " ; -.. 'Mr. HAMILTON: I have a.copy.of it as printed. . •" Mr. THORNTON:- The»-e: rs another^ print of it. It was printed;; wrong at> first. The only reason the committee accepted the amendment of the gen tleman from Allephany was. that it was thought there might be some question about the clearness of phraseology of the committee's report. Gentlemen can readily see tnat If you. hay a treasurer who is, ineligible af ter two terms, but whose deputy may then take the. office and the .former treasurer become his deputy, and there will be a continuation of the thing the committee wish to prevent. . Tnerefore, the effect of the amend ment is to destroy exactly what this ■committee has already said it desired. I' understand that one of the. dele gates voted under a. misapprehension, and I am satisfied there must have been others who did likewise because the House would not in n few moments turn right- around and; reversed its' former action. . '- ■ : : Mr. BARHAM: If a member' voted under a misapprehension that, would make a tie. •'.Mr.: THORNTON: There must haver been'others, but I happenj to know of . one who was sitting by me. 'I can not believe that this House would vote that the treasurer shall be ineligible after a second term and then tun i-ignt around and say his deputy might succeed him, and he be the deputy 'of his former, deputy.; The" effect is so; tranEparent; that I; ccn" not believe it was the intention of this committee, to lrido what a few moments ■ ago it j had done. - - „ - _-.-..'-• -. •■ ; . ■•-■ I understand the v gentleman froml Norfolk,, who I have no doubt is trj'ing. "to accomplish this very thing, y.oted first, to make the treasurer' ineligible and then voted to accomplish indirectly, what he failed to do uirectly. If lit is of opinion that the> treasurer ought not to succeed himself it does seem strange to me to let his deputy come in and become the treasurer and he the deputy, Isay the effect is to nullify absolutely what was done a few minutes ago by Quite a decisive majority, and I am satisfied that there are other gentlemen who voted under a misapprehension besides the gentleman to whom I have referred. I, therefore, move that the vote be reconsidered. Mr. PORTLOCK: I am satiEfied, as the gentleman from Prince Wihiam states, that there is no difference : be tween his views, on this subject .and jny-own. It is only a* difference; as i tb; ■what is possible to-be accoiriplished.; ■ For. ;'my- part" I prefer to , take -hilf a loaf rather than no loaf at all. . Mr. THORNTON: : Exactly,' ; l knew .that. '{. • . ".". Mr. PORTLOCK: My object was to: avoid the exigencies which arise in placing in office: people who are en tirely unacquainted with the duties of the office, especially the office of treasurer: 'and Inasmuch as the com mittee had already determined to re port to the Convention that the treasur er .''.should" be Ineligible after a second term, it occurred to. me that in order that we might have some one eligible to that office who would understand at- least something about the duties^ of the office we had better take the deputy rather.- than have no one at all eligible It is the general consensus of opinion around me here that the vote just taken 1 would make the treasurer eligible and his deputies ineligible, owing : to tha" verbiage of the amendment of the gen tleman from "Alleghany (Mr. George K. Andcrson.) I must confess I am somewhat, at sea upon the suq^ect myself,;-butTat all events my idea was .that; we should certainly be in a position to elect some^; body who had some idea of the duties of the office to which he might be elect ■ cd. -- ■ ■ - ;'■ ■ : ; ... -" - " -■-■ ' ; Mr. O'FLAHi^RTY: I move that the committee rise. " ■'■."• Mr. THORNTON: ; Will the'gentle man allow me? Of course Ido not object;'- I made a motion ..to 'reconsider; arid?- that will be pending.;- :. The CHAIRMAN: The motion of the. gentleman from Prince ■William is pend ing. ■ :■ ,: ■.. .: -. ■ ■-;..'. ■ . ' Mr. McILAVAINE: Let us go along and finish this: report. There is no sense at all in the committee rising now. ■ ;-; ■*' . • '•: : : ",. : * >The: CHAIRMAN,:; The gentleman: from Wanen moVes^iat the committee ;■;■;;.; .',■'/■ ,",'',:.\- '■,:;- v ;/;:.:':; ; : ' '; ; " ';:;-. .: The motion was* not agreed to there "being ,bn a division-ayes 20. noes 37. ' > Mr. POLLARD: I should like Uo have the Secretary .read the section as ilt-Vhas been: amended.' ':..- : .'.-,- CHAIRMAN: v'/ The^section; as amended will be read. " ■■- ... v . ; Tht Secretary read; section} I,;; article; -7. a» follows: . -' 'i "There shall be jeflected by the : quail •fled voters of each' county, one sheriff, one attorney for the: Commonwealth;: fone clerk of the courK°nf!^^Hnwh^j: shall; after the secohd \ term;xbeUnellgif.;;- : ble io same office : for the next succeed- j : Ing term, for eiUier, treasurer orv deputy', treasurer;; and there shall ; be appointed, v In a manner to be provided ;by> law. f commissioners of the rey|enue,; thVnum^r ber of whom and ..whose "duties 'and ■ compensation shall be such; as^nayl be^ prescribed by law ; one 't super! n tendent :; . of poor; andone county: surveyor.'' > -,r Mr.; WITHERS :; . Mr. ; Chairman^---;; Mr. THORNTON: I;.';. move^ to - re- ; consider the ; vote by ; which ; the . amend-;i; Vnent of the .-. gentleman .from l.Norfolk rl •county (Mr.^ Portlock) ' was adopted: ';"■;.; '. Mr. WITHERS:; v l(will state UO: the; gentleman'from Prince Willia!m. that 11-am:I l am: entirely willing : to; yield ; to; himi; ;r.v; : ■' Mr; THORNTON i%fi l jmaaeUhe;saihe> motion some time agrb. i; ; .' ;■ , : : t TheCHAIRMAN: Thepending cjues^.'; tion is ., the motion I; of the gentleman ;; : . from Prince William to reconsider, ; the , vote by "which certain^ words :r were strucken out of the nrst'sectioh. - Mr. EGGLESTON: I would; just like to say that I do not understand: the effect of this amendment: ■• I: believe-, the way I read it, if these words are restored you will make the treasurer ; eligible and the deputies ineligible. That is the way it reads to me and I voted to strike it out because I thought it marred the; whole section. Mr. THORNTON: We do not desire that, and we will correct it If it does. Mr. GEORGE X- ANDERSON: The word "eligible" was inserted on; my motion in line 6 in lieu of the word "in eligible." ::■ : . • ; Mr. WATSON:. This side of the ; House would like to share In the de-. liberations: of the gentleman ; on the other side. v .. '.' • :, : ; . Mr. THORNTON: V?? me gentlemen • < think it was right' before.. Let us take';: the vote to reconsider. ■ After the vote'; ; to reconsider Is adopted we will then get it in shape. -. ;: : ;.;! ;_ -i . The .CHAIRMAN:; The question ; Is: on the motion to; reconsider ;the-vote by which the. amendment of: the^ gen^ -:' tleman from^Nprfolk : (Mr:;Portlock)i;was;; agreed to, by which certain words were stricken from the first section. The motion to reconsider was agreed to, there being on a division" ayes 31, noes 23. " Mr. THORNTON: I move that the committee rise. The* motion was agreed to,. there be ing on a division ayes 31, noes 23. The President having resumed the chair, Mr. Wise reported that the Com- ; mittee of the Whole had had under consideration the report of the Com mittee on the Organizatin and Govern ment of Counties and had come to no conclusion Uiereon.v • Mr. GREEN : I move that the Con vention resolve" ltself into Committee ; ; of the Whole to reconsider the. report - v of the. Committee on the Organization and; Government ; of|;Co.un ties.,;'- There.' cannot' be any reason j for : adjourning,, at this- hour. We have: come, back here after our vacation. of sbme^lerigth and we really: ought tb' do some work. There was no reason,. in my opinion, a/id" I may be indulged- to say so, for 'quitt- ; -; : Ing almost in the' midst 'of a 'sentence; . and having the committee rise. We . ought to go on certainly: until 5 o'clock, as the rule requires. I move, there- , fore that the Convention resolve -itself - Into Committee of - the Whole so that we may continue with the consideration 1 -" oi this subject unth 5 o'clock. at least. '■'■ . The PRESIDENT : £" The gehltman^ F from Danville. moves that; the Convent : tion resolve Itself into .Committee of-; therWhole. .-:„.: V- ; .--• r '-,. ■'■■■'.^.-■y . .'■■■■■ ' Mr. EGGLESTON: I should like:. to-.; say to the gentleman * from ; Danville that as I understand ■< it the Committee V on the Organization of Counties wish 1 to perfect- the amendment which they are going to offer to the report. There was some question a.bout. the language. It is a matter of great importance and • it ought to be properly prepared be fore it is undertaken to be inserted in t\ i section. I understood that when the gentleman, from Prince made the motion that the Committee rise he represented the committee on the floor, and it was done with a view of allowing the: committee to perfect their report in that regard. -^ •■ ■ Mr. GRbiN : It would have been perfected by the Committee.; of . the.. Whole .' if- entlemen - had - waited.' = ' ; Vi ■ ; .Mr. "EGCxIijiSTON:- .; It ■seems: not. i " Mr. ;-".GRE.iJiS :'; ; :; ;Th"e '"-_ Committee [Of;, the Whole would have "perfected it for. | the'tni We cannot discharge : the ; Com- i mittee of the ' Whol e; every • half ;-hour: : for the purpose of allowing the commit^ tee io. perfect, their own; report. We: > are here" ready to "i amend it, = and we ' ought to go on- with it. : liy " i : • Mr. THORNTON: . I beg to state,- - : sir, that the " motion was made" for the' ; purpose of a . conference with ; not only the members of the committee but other gentlemen who think that this is an exceedingly important matter and there , is a wide difference of opinion as to the . effect of the different suggestions that : have been made as to phraseology coy-; ering this point. I did not make the* motion unadvisedly, but I made it after conferring with various gentlemen "in order that we might make no .mistake about it, and for no other reason. If tli^-rc it anything that we can take up nnd consider now, I will agree with the . gentleman, but we debated on his report the word "Christian" for several days. Mr. GREEN: 1 Tj 16 gentleman wih alllow me to say that after my report was brought in I dicf not ask:to" have i • '": it perfected by the Committee. It; wa^.V, done bythe Committee of the Whole. ':'.- ' -Mr. THORNTON: I will state to :■ the gen tleman from Danville ; that he.::,', .drew his report so skillfully, that; it^didC; riot require any .amendment,-but';Un ■ fortunately .the report of this commit^ - tee was not so fortunate. as to have so- . excellent a draf tman^ We : thought; af ter 'these amendments: were : made that.' there might be- some; defects.^ arid ' we: [wished to perfect the section. ; ; f *; '! ; Mr; GREEN: That is the very thing I^want to do. but I want to; correct it.-" right here. I propose to off era motion to reconsider the .whole. '-Question of; treasurers In Committee of the Whole y" and settle it right here. ' ;. ( ; : Mr. THORNTON: I am sorry, that: ; I could not hear what the geritleriian ; said; I know it was' something very good and proper, but really. I did not • : hear a word that he .said. . : , •* -?-.-..■ Mr. HARRISON: I move that: we I adjourn. - ' - - The; PRESIDENT: . There is^a mo- . ,tlori:periding, n but a motiorij to adjourn; : iß ;: in order.; The gentleman^frohi.;;; 'Frederick; moves that ; theV Cbvention . : do. now adjourn. ; ' ; .' :;r: ;r ' , -The -motion waß : agreed ; ; tb,~ and (at 1 - - 4 o'clock and 37,, minutes -P.; MO tne;: 'Convention- adjourned until to-morrow; . Saturday, No veml)^9^i9ojL^atsl^^^&! :^jfsAT^R^^^^^^?^^^SSlC^^P '■■■"- ■" -Saturday, November 9, 1901:. < met at 10" o'clock by Rev, Richard Mcllwaine,-. ' The ' PRESIDENT:. The Secretavy .delegates answered ,to- their •names:- ; '•',' ~\<." ■■ i ■ >';'. ::-~-:: :-~- : Present : T: Messrs;** George gK. >; Ander- 1 A^i Andersbh;*?Ay ers/>Barbpur^ 3 Manly>H; ; Barnesf&Thbmas iH. > Barnes.i ißjair, Boaz.^Bolen-^Bouldin^Bristow,: 3rooke^Drown^fCameron^P.^^Carnp;t ibenr^Crismon^^Egglestpn^Epes,?Fair-'i 'fax^-GarhettAt'Gnmore%B;v:T:4Gordoh^ James W. ■ Gordon, : ;R. U. Gordon, Green; Gregory; ; ;Hanc6ck7^Hardy)WHarrison;% Olatt6n,?fHooker^ifHuntpn^lhgrams /Keezell.^lKendalli,^'"-: Lindsay, ;Mcllwaine;::Mereditii^aioncure,:RsWal-;; Mcllwaine;: : Mereditii^aioncure,:RsWal-; itdn^MboreVS O'Flaherty^ Orr;xPedigb^ Pettit.^? Phlllipsf-v' Pollard^-fPortlock/ Quarlea^:Riyes,vißpber^on;;^Stebbins;' 'Stuart,/ ; Sarnmers; ;^Tarry, Turnbull, 1 .Vincent;" Watson, ' Wescott, -Willis^ Wise; :.-' the ; president^Gs:V;;ihi^-:,^.-^jr::fi' :^i--/V^; IThe XPRESlDENT^Th'eJcalli'Of^the roll I shows that ■ sixtyrfive' members fare in attendance— -more than "; a • quorum; : The Secretary will read \ the ■: Journal i of yesterday's^ proceedings.' ■-;. '-•■: - The:; Journal i of; yesterday's v proceed^ ings , was : read and .. . • \ ''PETITIONS MEMORIALS. ; Th e President laid i\ before] ' the Con vention a -communication ;:,; from v; the facinty^bf/the^Colles^bf^illis^^arid' Mafyjiirelatirig ; tdtthe ; sale • of l in toxlcat^ : ing> liquors, % and urging ■"; the adoption; in. the > Constitution- of ;aprovisionFre-: stricting.the -granting of; licenses, which was referred; to) the. Committee on Pre amble-and: Bill of Rights. -.. ;,■:/; ;Petlti6n-"prayihg- for the Incorpora tion in -the" Constitution of a provision' Jthat no". - license to manufacture orV sell intoxicating v liquors shall v bel; granted to : any -person- except upon jthej,writt'en request of >a majority of .the; registered voters in'; therprecinct. oi"-the". city, -town^ or county >in] wHich'such manufacture; or i sale' _ : is; proposed ', .to : be.'conducted, were presented ' and' referred to. -: the ; Committee ; on;, iPreamble; rand rißilljof; Rights,-^ as .follows : - ' :j ; i • -■■. "* ■ '■ -: > .By .•Mr.^O.Rßi";f.rbm fiftyf one. citizens and business firms -of Lee county. '\\<- ; • By j Mr. .yiNCENT, =from •.thirty-eight citizens. of Greenville county. - . . f ' " By Mr. PORTLOCK, from seventy five citizens of. Norfolk county. By Mr; INGRAM, ; by request, from citizens of Powhatan. By Mr. EPES, from^ ,thirty : seven citizens of Dinwiddie and other coun ties.;- :■" ■'-- ■■-.;■';, ■-■:.:•-.■, - ■ ; .;- : ;.;-; i - Mn -WILLIS presented : a- memorial of . the Junior Order .United • 'American Mechanics of ■■' remonstrating.; against* the appropriation..' of: public funds to any institution-; wholly or partly under sectarian control, which was :. referred :to the Committee on the Legislative ; Department. - . Vt ; ■"•Mr." QUARLES. presented : a' memo rial: of .the;Juhior.;Order United Ameri can- Mechanics of ; : remon strating "against '.the appropr'atlon-of funds- to .any; ihstitutlbn";;v>"holly ; . .or f partly ; "under;-; sectarian ..^control,' which was:- referred' :toi the Committee on ' the^ Legislative: Department: J'.!.? -,:;;: . '--LEAVES OF ; ABSENCE.\' .;; } ■■::: -Mr. .LINDSAY4 asked land .obtained'; ieave] of - absence', f or " ; Mr. - Hamilton for; to-day--"! h ;._ \ ; i:■;/;'i :■;/;' ;. "... "-..• . " .:•;. {;. '. • - Mr. THOMAS : H. .BARNES : • I am re quested 'to - state ' the .'{gentleman from Isle of : Wight" (Mr. v LawsqnO ais detained , from his seat ;by.- sickness, ; and: I ask for him a" week's leave of . ab- 1 sence.'-;^'." A/" ''"' " "' :; ;' : - "- v "-' : ;J,;. -■:. .-.""■"■' -Leave was : granted.: I --- '- r; - £ ' v '.:; ' '. ! Mr. R. WALTONt MOORE:VI-;ask leave' of ; 'absence- for; 1 the" -;f gentleman from -- Alexandria' (Mr;- Smi th) ; • for ; ten* : days. Ronr on account of Vslckness"- ,in his family.- '■/>:'.,' ■%'.'., . -.'"'-..',.. : . ;^-~"' ■';.;;•; '-' , : ' -, " 'X<eave" ; was granted.^ ; ■ ' '- ■'-'•- *- ■' .-.-;■■" ■ ; : :•« v. Mr ; ; INGRAM : • I ', ask { leave of . ab sence-for my colleague cock) for one" day-^Mbtitiay next, he - will \be engaged^ in' holding court .on 'that.day..---.:- ■'.'..-; ;.-, \-'[ i: l ;. \.; : ; vr.;;'; '■ .- .: / ' 'Leave .was granted:;- . . - ,'. : - : ■ Mr.. BROOKE:,;. I. "ask. reave;. of ab sence for my colleague (Mrv Thorn) for to-day. •; He was unexpectedly. •. called out; of town, by a telegram. Leave was granted. . ; " MEETING: OFi THE GENERAL" AS ; ;'. >-.-; ; ;; ;SEMBLY. ' The ' PRESIDENT : '■;], On the commit tee to inquire arid report what action;^ if any. should- be taken with rererence to the meeting of. the General, Assem bly," the Chair appoints. Mr.' BoazT Mr. KeezellivMr. Ayers.'and Mr; Thom.vThe ; committee* will meet to-day at- 1 o'c'ock in the Senate chamber. / It is proper; to state . that accor Uncr to parliamentary usage' the mover of the resolution would have .been: ap- pointed, but^he^ has ear nestly^requested; tolb'e'i excused?.*: \-'fi ;. 6 r.;: : :'.~' .••'.■:■%- I ; ' "':'■ I CALLiOF^COMMITTEES.^i 1; : •: | The Secretary.; called I. the : . list of -: cpm= mittees^;: j ■•:.'•* *= ss:-"-- " ". :i y ■? '■>'■■'■' '-■ -'■ ' :: i y : •• ..GOVERNMENT. OF COUNTIES. ' ; • •Mr. ,THOMAS;-H. BARNES : £I move that the ■:• Cohven tion 2 resolve ? itself Into ? Coni ; mittee of i the -Whrle > ror : the ■■} purpose ■: of "'resuming.- the rconsidera tion .of the -report -of ithe .Committee' on ; the rOrganization ; and Government of^ counties. ..- : : • '- ; ♦.:';-■ : -The-PRE'SIDENT: i.The gentleman -from N3 nsemond.'- - the ;; Cha Irman >: of the " Com mlttee?on^the: Organization and .'Govern ment- of Counties. -.moves "that 1 the '; Conve ntion do>now .resolve -it&Plf 'into* Committee of the- Whole for. the purpose of: further consideriner-the' report ~iot .Wat Committee. The motion was agreed to. and the.Con •- ventlon -resolved < itself into ; Committee of ,thftfWhole,'Mr. Wise In the Chair. ■ : , < ->Th'e«GHAIRMAN: When the committee adjourned-ivesterday nhe> question before it was the amendment '■'. offered by ;■.■:• the gentleman : from iNorf oik- -County Wr; P.ortlock);to;strike out certainrwords.The amendment was adopted, when the gentle man from; Prince William CMr. Thornton) moved- a;rec"nslderation,~and; it;-:was' re considered.? The . now- comes > up apain . on: the? adoption of /.the amendment striking : out * those -words.' ' : ' Y^ .Mr.: THOMAS ;H. BARNES:, ; Let> tho amendment be * stated. :.'" : <. '..- ■■•" ■■: ■'■■'.:' -■; . The CH A IRMAN: It-will be stated. :; L -~.: ■ The SECRETARY: ."After tlie^-word "who" in line, five strike "; out the v words "and- none of- whose .-deputies," and also' substitute ,;the. word, "ineligible" J for "eligible" Intline six. ;• /. . - ■•; ;-Mr KKTOZTCLL: ■ How would it , read then? • The SECRETARY:. That;part. of. the sec tion as - amen ded ■ reads^ as .follows : .;.-.', ; .- "O'ip '.county- treasurer, 7 "; who,,Vand ; : none i of whoso : depiities.v shall, after: the ; second term,-, be • eMelble? to i. they same ; office^ for. the next succeeding "tei-rn,; f or ; either < treas- t uror.vor > (Vpu ty a treas v rer.-". . »- . ; *Z ■^■;^K '■■'<■ '--■'■ ■ Mr. THOMAS H. ;> The - com mittee wish" to : amend ?• their* report^by^in-. sertlng,' beginning ; .wi tli ; the-.wprds,i "conn-; ty -treasurer."" -in; the^Rfth line.v the>fol--; losing, which "l: wiir ask the; Secretary, to read. - . • -. -'-' ' .Tbe: Secretary. read, as follows: ~ v ",. VOne county; treasurer, i who; may .hold; two successive terms, r butshalUoe,ineligi-.; ble for the third successive term; «iineri; as, treasurer orj deputy.lf • heishaH'AholdSonly.: one;term:he shall inot: be appointed a dep utvvfor the ' succeeding ; term.'-', : "' ■■"':'■;' . \Tho CHAIRMAN :i^Does g the; Chair, < un- ■ derstan'd the .gentleman < from vNansemond; to^offer. those r.wofds^asia^substltutei for. tho.ivdrdstnowiwiflttenHn-thtvisection?;-^ < v J3\rr^.THOMAS^H*BARNES:^Yes^sSr.v4 ; ; Mr THORNTONriMr^Chairman.'iaSr.the, Chairman7of;:thegCommlttee;3a.nd^myselfi undfrs*and;vitiseemsxthat ; :we;alh pretty much,' I' believed d'eslrei to 1 attain ;tlie:same.. objoclfandl-I.wi.irmerely-statethejpurpose of .•■■thls*Kme"ridrrient^as:-JT.?,understandslt^-;:I: did not prepare it^myselfrandsr.cannpt^sayy that -I-'anv^very^f amll'.ar: with; it;.' butVthej object -of ■the :-cprhmlttee':ls : ito^pr©hibiUthcs treasurerfafteritwoitermsifrom: succeeding; -himself! :el'.hervast'treasurerTor|deriuty;'?but; :nntgtoiprohiblt;thetdeputy.itreaßurer from: ■.becomlngitreasurer.",v-Ol vesterdav'by'i'the?,'gentleman'^ from«Nor T ; sfolkScourity v £(Mr:? Porclock), and -T- w;is lment*didShbt?prdhibltfttfe*trea^^ .ter In -the .Corrvention^-W-here'lfhopeFl^ Übccomingircreputypafteritwvterxns.VThat tion referred to the Committee oi me , have- a' full* hearing: ' This s matters t^m^^ea^«^^^t^Wu?^comialt- of; the* Committee lonWCounty^Organlza- v; b ersl^ere2here:y:Hardly^y*odyswas ? vfew ™flt.'f It.' ; tlon. ItyssonlyatheUn^vidu^act^n^of^^ t^ t^ fbo^^ ltt^- mm g etln y2 r^ t^ e ven^: f^ffi-fropor^^ t>rttfotheayie*y%thatiigenWtain^ L orning:after/a s conferenceithe?comm^ttce^^o^^^ v a^^s ;^^js^con«rn e HTJNTON: M" desire^to offer a teS^r^^e^oS^treSen .on yesterday- and v'determlnedWby^the: V ,by^theKcommitte&: I ■•understand^the^ ;^cli^a^ra^n^y^^entleman.onthe reconsldeWhavin^ '•fioor. >, H? eniS^^ ldered Vv :^'ifl ithis section stands ;now after^thevwords.: [S-=Mr;vLTNDSAY: ; Willthegcntreman;froni -that what was , IVone v county:;tr e a g Ur6r? » ". .V;-; • :;:;::: o?tnegSe^fS£^ I £M^lNDSAY?Ewistt^^^ report convey- the V:vefyV idea '^ i ithaMheiwishesUo^xDress?s ! ':> ; :^ Vr Mr/: THORNTON:; l: ; ttink;so,,sir, i bu^ ?and;iwerundettoofc*to?inak^ ISii^a^i^i^ port m ""^^ "L^?.? ;&:■ * - ■ v ■:vx ;in writing., but^t: is ;,tounis; : effect:f After, x^The- CHAIRMAN:; The, Secretary will > Mr THORNTON: All' 'we- want ;ls to; thew : ; -; makeVitiplain^ '. .-.. - ._:." f . ' . ; -5.* strike;-"out£all3--qf/Uhe|.lan"guage^down ,^ - The": Secretary •read' ! as;r6ll6w3:; - ,>,' j^- Mr::; LINDSAY: 'It -reads: '"One county v to' :and;f including: /< the ~ words <, -..o ne ; 'county " treasurer.'rwho," and :.who>.shallft after^the; 'second .treasurer." clUwiliahen read: ">-• i : 'none "of 'whose' J deouties^-shall, after; •term^^be ineligible^to;tlie<same-offlceftforr : "One 'county; treasurer." -W^ ;■- -.'•• .•■ n1?n 1 ?f l ?_l"^t^^°vpMiirflribte--to'"Bame; ■thengxt succeeding iterm/ror either; treas-: 'The v CHAIRMAN:; The .Chair^W.notV;.the--secondtterm,.rb|^e^bg,to^mj. ■urer 'or deputy s treasurer.'. 1 . It 'seems -to -understand -the^gentleman s from y, Roa-, office r for? the next.succeedmgiterm for Kme?that>thatvls!plain : enough. ','■... >. noke:.:::TheiChair.s- thought virhisfimoaon-Uelther^treasurer^orsdeputy-treasurer. .VMr.-THORNTON:Xkhought.it was plain'; was: a subsUtute-relatinff-tq r;the : ; whole r enough; ibutMtiwas>thought:by*some/that;j; ; 6ectionl\;>iThe relating.;:-, to t^ at a] an g ua g e^ a ; n( 3 for, : (the^niotion:{of :it >. was ■< no t i sufficiently,!; explicit; 1 -As ■:■ the . — treasurers ?has already ;; been -disposed .; or Gentleman -from Norf olkTcounty to gentlemanfromrAlleghanyKMnyAnderson) ; .by-vthe:; committee.. -• -The- Chair;- does ;;not^•.;^ n e.sen^«xl^i", idrew. the amendment,awill ; get him to ex^thinkhls motion is iniorderZ-because^,...^ plain it "' .: :"-;■-.-.. | jlr -ROBERTSON: tasked -the-. Chair -flowing. It 13 In the ,. language 01 me Mr. : GEORGE ' K.' ANDERSON:; I. sugr -i : ;could;get : at;;it.V :;I; : statediwhat-imyo"imaj6rityipf;the" scoin^mittee>to!_strlKe:out|s coin^mittee>to!_strlKe:out| gest to- the-;gentlemavi o^^ .that:theproposltion}in:the'.report'is;.plain this :whole;- section for; the: purpose or to rea d: ■' . -;."■...;',-.:-.: j enough . as-far, as it~ goes;*: but "it*, does, not in: this- amendment- .>'.- '■:■■*:■' ■ "One^ county treasurer, , '.who shall, :provide:for ; onef.contingency.-;vSuppose.,the - ..The .CHAIRMAN: -The Chair.thinks a aft the se cond : terra. ";be ineligible for ?treasurer^holdsSfor'only^one.^term/:;his:J m otion ,to. reconsider the whole section a^ r n^ ;^ ceedin v. term- for either rdeputy;may:Bucceed;hlm:as!treasurer,-:and- : .V.w6uld-:be'lh order. .- •:" i?/£ ■ "1- •.■--- ', : v he ■ ° e ? t ;^^™^™;^ r euner ; thentthelsame^ treasurer' mayrsucceed^his- M r. ROBERTSON: "Well, sir,; I; make treasurer ; or, deputy .treasurer: ..-.,, ■■ . deputy,'as~treasurer.;agaln,- and so. on; ad that motion.: I move to i reconsider the- -If seems ;to me-tnat the- woras to infinltum.C •;.'-.■-, ■ -; >--^;;vv :,--:-, ■;" .;,.;■ " .;>;^-.>i w hole- : .section,v.- then;" for '«; the ; : purposes of/: S ame office,", ; are" ; not. apt -there, . because '"Mr.: LINDSAY: ;Would .notlhat .-end af- ! bringing sup > this? question -with- reference you- make *'him Ineligible' not only for ten thevpeconrt .term? '-:r.-^: r .-^ : ■ ■-^:; ,' I to county treasurers.- : / ; -:- ' _ ■ ■ i - the office, of treasurer, but' of .'deputy.. ; • Mr- GEORGE .K.-ANDERSON: ■ No, be- • • ; . Mr . : QUARLES : • Mr. Chairman. I "hope, >• ; treasurer; : Therefore ;•' it 'seems - to , me cause; the treasurer would , never; c hold a : slri -there:- will -be -no i. reconsideration. -I ;■ . "S^rimitHioqe words and : the re= secondUerm. He: would. simply:-hod one /see \. noth ingv-wrong: with; ahe.^ term. -^ .:':. ;;: . -,; .. r> .-. r. . r .-. | drawn -by the-: committee; ;It<-,'port:of theimajoritylof the,committee, ■: -Mr. -LINDSAY.:' I see the point'ypu;make, g: . substant i a n y jthe isame language:- that- r;w.ith'.thoseiwordsj stricken <out, I pfrer :CMr.;:^VILLIS:^Yi!I: CMr.;:^VILLIS:^Yi!I :tne,:g^ ;Alleghany permit : me: to ;askyiim}a^que3-/^^f^ : T- '- ■ V' V v,l- - ■-' ■■: ' tion?... 1 ..•■"' -'; * v"-v~:"'-"--.- ".■/'■■£; :'■''..".:.■•.; ;.i question; of succession raised ;byp the: gen- 1"« - np^r-p-rr V Tx>iiT \^^jj- The' auestion is on ,-;Mr:t-WILLIS:Is thereanyrsuch-pfflce'as a S e C ond"term, "i submit,: sir, is? of- no- .Norfolk to out. ;- . I deputy.-treasurer?-D.oes:not : the.treasurer ;vrjm r, crtance: ; - i; -:■ :.;;: f.;:2v..v iM \--, ■ -Mr. :HUNTON:'Sir?--. ?& •;;. .; ? appoint- his- deputy? i; • ;.; - -•- ; • . : .:-;;! ,. . M r ; i PORTLOCK: = I i'rlse 1 to ;a' point ; of ?/ The CHAIRMAN: =? That 'ls the ques- '-Mr. ;GE,QRGE- ; ;K. ■'ANPERSON,:- ; The order. The rgentleman. pbjtectsito-- recon- 1 - yon" at : presehti ~ ; '■':. i^:" 1 •"%','. i *■; ?"■ ; treaPurcr can appoint.n t '. whoih he -pleases :^s ; gitjeration,- and t he - hims*elf- : is >\\ -. M ' - wTTNTON' -I " offer,/ mine" '.&3 & : his deputy-: but it has to bedone;with- the , :J^ an^ arguing ithequestion::> ritC: .-;: ..V;?/- s V Ibqtitiite*1 bqtitiite* for' that T f •.-'.'.;, t~_y~ r ~~' f i ' consentof the court, under :th^ law as; it. ,l n f rr^, ROB | RT^ deputy treasurer -a c->nstitutionaliomcer? : m ' e = t - o f , t hat kind. ■- ■ •-">:• - -■" " ;T; Is • the ; committee .'ready; for the ques .Mr. GEORGE ,K.- ANDERSON: No. .msg-. m sg-- q UA RLES: I want to go. on with . tion? .:.'■'-.-: :? . "-:■ ';r ?$ l %[ " That matter was" considered. by the com- .. the report :■: - V ! -=: Mr. JAMES W. ; GORDON: ' Please "m^GE^RG^K^DERSON: The; '^f£ZP%™£- gJ^gS^laSK^ reaS'h^ndm^me^n^t.: ; £-. committee did, not /consider; that to. be the ■tJ r V'-tanrf*Uwh^£!i--we7seMn-% beinow? • The SECRETARY: JrtThe^ member I effect.ofthis-provision^at-'all.:. v . t ask unanimous consent from Norfolk- county proposes' to strike i ;■;■ Mr/ ROBERTSON:, ir want -to; make a ! d . allraction that has beeh> fekeni'with out in line o' the J words,. -"andr none of motion. I ,do , not : know, whether this is reference -: t o the treasurerstilp t-and- r con-- ;. wnose deputies,? and in:line'6 to sub-: The rO CHAIR^rAN™No e t" ;; S jder that much of the. report:- de;jiovo.;, - . B titute- -the word I'ineligible^ for the :CsE^l^^^|: C sE^l^^^|a i ,^ | ■; Sa-^r^^^^.'^^&TAßT: I£ a*ena e d the .motion of thoeentleman from Albemar.e.' ■■ • » . _, clause'would read: : v The^HAIRMAN:;^d .the^entleman s erstood the r ortg iln , the [ treasurer;, who, shall, -mT't^omalSbTrnes^^ .^^ ililsffls^S^llr^Hrs^ t^Mr^^LLlS^lfJ?°s^ n oSe^^r movefto : -'second term. -Now, : .-If- that be -true, why- county :; .treasurer-^ -eligible^ as : Ssi^si:=!^ SS^^#^ 1 K^S&M^S^ % '^I^t^LnHiiim order /■ ■■ -back- again" next? -If w^doithati : weiare s ;;are at. .As-T. : .unaerstandf It.iJtH||gen; K'vpvmT - - Let us haVe this" 'not making any: P rogressr:and;l hope we-- t leman from Alleghany moved : to Insert renorted^again. .-.-., ■: . " ; shall not: do^sbvunless -there is; some-sub-;: certain; words lihUhe^provislon" In:refer :: a The, CHATRMAN^ThcivSecretary. will; ; Th e , gentleman ence to treasurers-v The, chairman ; .of . state- the : amendment. ; :-^;: > ? |;-.:-;- j- k ; ;the - committee .gave ;; notice, under mis '.The'Secfetafy^read as; follows :.\^ • <; el^wSbt Sr^^S^ " apprehension^ fthat^heilwould-i accept hTpffni -th? third^^^ccessive term ei'h^r-'- ments.on. this question.^ ■ftSurff or^deS^^f^he?shainhold^« considered ; it;andivotediomit;t it has not-, derra misapprehension: as .to what the ' only -one. term^he^hili^notf beiappointfedj^^been-^ very^fullyvargued. :It;^oes s^m-tO: word sj mp brted; : as I :.under3tana,_ upon deputy for the succeeding .term." •..:=■ }"**■' fe t h attthe.vConvention-.o^ught.to?be will-.; -hasty-, examination.- :-:■.:./: i : . L :, -Mr: 'ROBERTSON : c Iv wish '.to . make a! ing ; to^hear~ arguments on-tbfa. taiTHDrtont.. N h &entlema n . from .'Norfolk .par#mentar>-/:Vinqid^l^daire^at^ feelfSlellthis^aS^X^ .inserted -with the- consent, of the being to reconsider .-this-^ whole matter - ; tion-thafcomesbeforeUnis- committee we ;: commi ttee. : -;:>' - • ■--;■ '■-- -■" '■ ;■-: :with reference to the'- ineligibility-bf this* -; ought no be-: willing .••;to.iglye:.the--;fulleswv-'. : .,. The - : CHAIRMAN:. ■ The ' -entleman : officer.- VAsTI understand: it.- ' the \ commit- \ and fairest discussion^ and .consideration. ;frorn - Brunswick 'is mistaken -■ in one h^for^^ : : ylSSyrS d the^^^bSh^?n^v^ : new-reporL; Itrseems to! me I .have a quest on -;now; under =;that« motion v .; • Mr. : T^RNBULI^_I .^JjJ^g^-- right to amend the -report -by ; striking out Mr.^ ROBERTSON: All; right, sir".; $■:£ • .The- - CHAIRMAX*.... I he, gentleman all of the language thac follows .after that The CHAIRMAN: The : Chain .wishes.! to from . Brunswick is entitled to the word.- I should-like to. Know whether that ; state that; it : made a mis.ta.ke" .in" the -floor:- - •■ - .n.'- . would be inrorder or not.y^.-. .; ; . decision that a motion to reconsider thi3 Mr.TTJßNßULLrThewordsthat were ; ;\The CHAIRMAN: - \ .AVJ.II -the ■• gentleman section is now; in order.^ Unanimous , con- ; inserted 1 there .byj the gentleman from state— — r v : • :_ r sent has been asked by the ; gentleman -Aiiprtjinv art» the words 'thafc~the sen- Mr. THORNTON: -I- think .. the gentle- 'from Fairfax (Mr. 1 Moore): for .the re-v H^mln ?rom Norfolk^ count v wants to man is -■ --mlstakenL about the. comm ttee consideration of: that part of from..^ortolk.couaty- ? wants. to. suggesting a* new report. The committee , w hi c h relates to treasurers. .vis: there ob- ?^, - r °" t^c T i. : A^ '^rL *'. ■"'-■■ , : : \.v : has reported in substance exactly: what it -iectJon? - ' -;--'- " Mr. -.-THORNTON:- That- Is- right attempted to report- in- thei first instance. -Mr. KEEZi^uL: Mr-' Chairman— j.- Mr. TURNBULL.:-; Then-' there :.was a •The language^, has r ;be~en^ changed; very, lit-., f-Mr. "THOMAS Hit BARNiivs^l.^ object'? motion" to Vrecorisider.^^aricL:,. the.. ; mo-. .tle.:;pThe:amendment:offepd,by.ithe.pom-: ;KBEZELL:-:Tp:thatrequest:l^rose^tiori^6f^the gentleman , from ' Norfolk :mittee;iis<-substantially-. the vsame .^ " m Mr?;: Wi S LlflS J :V V If "vth'e ge^eihanV Vllb y: permit* me; -I; renew, my. motion, to J>ass- . ; r ; jt-^WAriTONMOORE: If we 'can- thel gentleman; from vAlleghanj. -i. ( - z< this section; : and T wisti to state thatil: ot -^i S t U rb tjier action i that ; tfas:'. been vi: MrwGEORGE'.K; ANDERSON: ; The •-have the' consent -f of the l: chairman of the : - l takeh; -then -it -is out' of the" power 'of the ?■- gentleman - from states the ■;committee.^-v:. I .ask.-: unanimous;.; consent - eomm fttee; of 'the ;Whoie ; :to: perfect tho incase^ -exactly' right;^that. is just ; 'what :to pass it byiand take. up; some other, sec-, portion -'of-: the;, report -^ relating: ;to: the happened*" /'''^ '""";;''-'*.-•:>'- ' " tf Mr "WrNBULL: :i: understands the.mo^: , t^rers^ Committee "of • the -Whole.. •;.;>-:.!. _,:■:..'. Q .'; ariew'witlv ; the i: txeasurership.'l--re3pect--- fr om=Norfolkcountyltp strikeout. those ?- The CHAIRMAN: vpces the^ommittee,,^ on Countv: Organization and. oG\ernment.. n ., which , to , relleVe . 0^ words , as >^ l fg>report ; . . cult y^ and , to make^ the^ progress: that is -MrItGEORGE K. ANDERSON: 7 lf the is ofr ! :P^o^^ ; J^ would; be in order after this matter ?s? s •- fixed it exactly as the^ Committee on tleman I , from Norfolk county the .HCounty Organization had reported At; .amendment, which. he sent to \ the; desk Rm&E nWrmlt whenacom- wnicn J Relieve is the : proper' way,; for it -to have' rekd . arid' which has been read ; S^s?affirffi|by|S!f^^e^ilg some motion is made to- amend it.: ; . We do ttow. ow a perrecung. it -is pcn ect ea - pasß -^p On ~.it/ : 'The^ chairman Vibf< the; J not-have: to . take a; vote: on v. They . . M ' w WALTON MOORE- 'A ereat , committee' offers as;-a -substitute! for ■JhaWcom^inW rt^na&Tm^r&K' " The cehtleman is . necessary, : - and I think' a very i brief [ argu- folk county - the words . contained , on -;J;lfr.t — ThA rhnlr simnlv aaked the . mentwould show,that'a:change is neces- the paper sent to. the desk,: and if the If-they^offeredit; - • * , is absolutely, meitectiye., ! sition;«it -will .settle- the: whole difll : Mr ROBERTSON: I understood it was (' Mr. BARBOUR:i I should rliko to have culty..' y -"; ' ' ; -;^:^ , *• their.' amendment. ■ ;. . v ' ! 1^ 11^"' >: " ' ,„ i Mr. POLLARD: I:' r move !; that this : -Mr.-ATHOMASH., BARNES: It is. but : The CHAIRMAN: The Secretary will comm ittee- request the ! 'Convention to feW^^^^^rii^.^hP^mnK^of: the r f ad^ that; Part ° f - the ; section - as ifc , refer^ back so : much this as. "^^R^E^k:Si pending quesUonlf^" : : ,:: j.. is the'motion.whiclvl rnade^^^ the i gentleman iday.;.to"strike,oiit certain- words.;;: ' : ; .sec^d term, be: ineligible, : to / same.,of-.|, will , aUo w. • me: justi-one .-.mbment. I fice. for, the. next; succeeding^ term. for^: thinlc , I: can -explain^ how; the^matter r .-.■.: ■ Mr -4PORTLOCK : • And : I do ; not under-. r either treasurer/.^ or.:, deputy -treasurer. V ii r ah-.hf' settled' In "a* moment-"! can ex- : 'un^th^isMls^Slf^f^how^^ ? s^i^a^^o\S^ o -report; which could- be^ acted,, upon "an ,1 >ao ;not know^that- rr,can«throw : : any not'say/ '■':',- ..-■ '.■-;, v. r > .^ I>. ! suggested by; i the i gentlemanJCffoml-RoXiv light on ;., the. ; parliamentarys.'.tangle.-:! .. ."The'.flrst^thirir-to- do;Is i to;.vote-upon: ' noke,- I" would; be --perfectly: V willing to This: Housei'has. never. -voted -upon the -];the motion -of the gentleman-from Nor ■Hvithdraw.'my vmotion^to "^strike^'6ut;eso j^hat ; :;Fth"£:mat^ NrSr-Sd- tn^th^^H^^the^ S^ SS S SciSttSSSrS :ttet :beeh:^ub;^itted: : as ; ;anU^enh^^^ .'theigentleman.-from";Rdan6ke."may;-insistV:f w as brought forward ;by ,some^ "upon rhistmotiorii to act* upon";' the .i report, ber of ; the : committee; who. suggested it, Vstrickeri out on / the. -'-motion: ; of; the: y<of vthe.-cbinmtttee-as a'new,vreporL\.:vlf Hand then the.^^gentlemanVfrom:-TCorfolk- r g- cn tiemah"from;Norf oik; county. '* " ;■■ :that jbe g the'ifcafee,-.! and'/ when 6 that -is - the ■■! moved .; to strike it out; It [has. never . - Mr. iKEEZELIi: ; "Will the"- gentleman sfease.xtlwilli>withdraw;uiy.rmptlqnr -_f-^.- •- :been "Voted ; upon ;by: this, House;: : it;^h'as^^ allo\v-me to ask him-a^Questioh? - "ever^beenTadopted by.thisjHduse.:Now/ - , M r. THbßNTdN::That,wili;not 4set ?his'motSf^ ithe, question's; on- the /motion of; the; tie It :f or 'this ;reisou:..;if: the v amend-; Is!SrOß^^ li'Chalrfdecides i -that^this' ! is < av Inew>repbrt,1 new>repbrt, v'lnjfact^ .hejisiattempting^to-Btrike.out j Norfolk county ;,the^treasurer motion;?isSinliqrder.i He^does v something that; was?nevermdopted.v;v. j ; w jjj,:j^ come; ; t^ ei ; a gp Ut^ v : nims^jf a f ter «not want; to use ihis rights. - I Mr. R. WALTON^MOORE:;:! .under- ; ••the"expiratloh*of^the^two^terms^-As;!^ ijmTheiCHAlßMAN^iThe^Chairydecides', s tand :> the ogentleman^from^Rocking--^ > the' gent eman- from ham . 5s willing to -withdraw-his objec- treasurer^ to:f:bG-Ineliglhle.:':after two ! :-M^EGGlESTON#khoiSdlm^^fel s ent,ia^^ « being Ja? newirepprtMl^p \ not« think^tb A where Awe^ere > on % yesterday ; and;: ing •>. treasurer^ af ter^thesiexp'ljratlon of i;thei^^tibnispf^the;VCpnimittee::dntcCountyJ; take|siiplthe:.subject ;of:;the :treaaure^i Vthe^ ; tw^Herms.^ That^ts ; -what r triey ? '^Organization :icaii3be|sp;cdnsiTued^lnUhe|gfshipjafresh. " - J" " -' ' J want" * Sn^^ii^^^^amdndminiMffe^^S |b^ffiSffia^«fflß^^§^£^tt^^Ucqiim will be pursued; |, .-MnjPOLLARD.: I rise to a point of bf-.; il£-.;BOAZ:;lvobject. ■. : - ■ . r order.' ; ■'. .--.-.„• -. . . ■ tcaiisoSthoiCommittee^n-CrtHnty, Or|?asi!' | "Mr.'TUßNßXJlili:Htobject,lTinclrli.wiH The S CHAIRMAN : The gpntlftman _■''•■-'."■- . ' . . frqm":Rlchmona city -will 'state h!s point of forderj' ;a ■ motion. 'and|none'/of "ithe ;remarks 'which have beeni submitted >were pert nent to that motion. • 7i CHAIRMAN: r. The gentleman f f om] Richmond 1 made'-. his- 1 motion while thelgentleman tfrpm;Brun3wlck lad the : floor- *"'■ . "- ' ::Mrv POLLARD: The Chair recognized ; the - gentlemahlf roih^Rlchmond. K-rllr. 3: H.^Barnea obtained :th^*floor. :^ : v> 'v'; -.. V:;. :":/■..:. ■''■■ jiMr.-KEEZELL: .Will j the gentleman from 'Brunswick allow me to ask him avquestion? :;> r; : ■ ;J; -The ; : The gentleman from'Nansemohd has: the floor., "SyHr.iTHOMAS ; H^BARNES: I offer a substitute ii for":f or" : the ; amendment ottered by .the; gentleman from Norfolk county. ;., The CHAIRMAN: The .substitute will 'ibei'stated-"V.^..' ; 'r~j";f. - : V '.■'."• v ■■'-■■ ■"'; ■•.•■•• :.. : ■ .The % SECRETARY: "The member from ;Nansemond L .croposes. ;as a substitute for =the .proposed, by the gentio man from?Norf oik- county, :which -is to strlkeiouf;certain^word3. ito insert in lieu ■of all: the Slanguage ; with -reference to county.: itreasurers ;■ the 2 following: ": .j^vOne'-'county ?itreasurer I who may hold ".two:- successive, -terms, but shah be ,n ; eligible tic for: the : . ;. third / succe3siv<; -term, .'either, .as '"or ; depu ty. If • 'he J i3hall : nolvi only one tertn, heirhnit: notbe .> appointed : deputy for ;ho succeeding; term." -.:.■:: ;: I Air. -FuiiTtuCK:. l- feel constrained to raise ' appoint lof orders In this matter. On iyesterday Imade a-motion .to strike out ■ certain swords^— — ■■.'.:■ Mr.^ GREEN:; WiII the gentleman allow ,nfe? TheHChair "hastalreaay ruled tha; you cannot offer a. substitute -for a mo tion '■ to . s trike out- "> '■■ '■■■• 'The CHAIRMAN:. The -gentleman froa Norfolk countyihas the Ooor. Mr. PORTLOCK: I am asking th« Chair to so rule again, sir. " On yesterday ? the motion I submitted was debated, and a vote was taken upon it, ■■'■ and 'that' vote -was: decided first in 'favor of my motion. Afterwards there w>is a .motion -to reconsider, and the vote -was decided i against > the motion made by myself/- and- the- matter now stands, aa i ; understand it/-upon a 'motion to recon sider.' which was by until to-day, and until : that Is- 11 — 1 ' v ■-': • ■ The. CHAIRMAN: .The - Chair will stats to ; the gentleman from Norfolk county -that .the motion to-reconsier was voted upon yesterday and adopted, and now tha 'question comes up on- the amendment of the gentleman' from Norfolk county to strike ? out*; those r ' words.* .'•Mr.' PORTLOCK: -The -vote was taken .upon, my^ amendment- yesterday and a . motion -'niade^-^ -- ;'; ' : ::-The""CHAIRMAN:-? The amendment of the gentleman --was . adopted, and Stftere "wasa-motioh 'to recpnsider-it. and that motion was'-adopted.. -Now the question 'is .• upon -the adoption of the gentlemaa'j motion to strike out", certain wordi. ■ "Mr: PORTLOCK: ; Yes."- -Well, sir- — The CHAIRMAN: And now the memoir from Nansemond proposes an amendment Mr. .THOMAS H. BARNES: A substl tute. ■'-- ■ : ■ - ; ■■■■•■'■' - "'" ' -■" "- . ," " The CHAIRMAN: A substitute for ths amendment of the gentleman from Nor - folk county ; Mr. THOMAS H. BARNES: That is right. ■ " ; : - Mr. CAMERON: I understood the Chair to rule' that.no amendment was in order to a motion to stride out. The CHAIRMAN: The Chair so decided and the Chair-is going so to decide with reference to the motion of the gentleman from Nansemond. 'The Chair does so d; : cide as to the motion just made. Mr. PORTLOCK: The point I make is that it musfcomeup ttrst of all on my motion? to strike -out. '' The' CHAlßMAN: : The' Chair so thinks. ! • Mr.-KEEZELL: -May I interrupt tha ! -gentleman for just one moment to ask hhim; a question?- :: ; " •. • =Mr. PORTLOCK: Certainly. - '"Air." : KEEZELL:- i What r is the effect oi • striking put those words? I was not hero •yesterday and^ am 'not ■ familiar with the ■gentleman's ; amendment; ; -■■'■■ - Mr: : PORTLOCK: The effect of strik ing; out -the -words which 1 propose to strike out' would 1 be to allow the deputy -treasurer- -torbe' eligible to the offico of treasurer.' » - ; • : : -2-Ir. KEt.ZELL:^'U r ould it. allow a newly elected : treasurer "after his term to bfr : come a deputy treasurer? •;-=Mr. PORTLuCK: It has no reference to • that. -.•■• ■■':■ -^ :■■:-■:■' '"■■■.: ■ ■ : Mr..-GARNETT:;;Mr.-;Chairman. I rise to a parliamentary- Inquiry.- As I under ■stand-the ruling of the .Chair a mouon ; -to strike- out^cannot -be substituted or amended.--^ ■' '"■ "■■■-'■ , • 'liie CHAIRM^VN: The. .Chair -did -noi make" that 1 statement. •"." - Mr. 'GARNETT: I understood that to be the rixlins- of the' Chair. ; "The CHAIRMAN: The Chair aecidetl that the amendment Substituted by the gentleman from Nansemond is not now in order. The question before the com mittee is the .amendment of me gentle man from NorfoiK county to striivß out certain words. .. -. . , Mr. GARNETT: And to that amend ment of the gentleman from N'ortou county to strike out ce^cain words tnere was- a substitute offered by the gentle man from Nansemond. I understand me Chair, to rule .that that substitute Is out of order? ..' " . ■ , The -CHAIKSIAN: The Chair rules thai it is not a substitute for the motion to strike out.; . . . , , Mr. GAKXETT: But; you do not rule that; we 'cannot-- offer a substitute for a motion -to strike out? . . - ' - • -The^Cx^xßiLVNr-The Chair thinks (1 would, be. in" order-after this amendmen-. is 'disposed - of ." .'."', . . " . , . Mr. -CAiIERON:. "WouId It be.m ordei 'for -me '-to 'otters language in place, of m -amendment *of the gentleman from > or ! fouc county,, which he .will accept j- The ': CHAIRMAN : ~r he Chair tninka so, i iir. r CAMERON: Neither .the sen tie mar ! from -Noi folk coun.y nor myself are to D<. ■' considered" as beingoound by t...s arnenu ment, but we offer.it ti..nri:iti£r that it coy : crs the : object which." . the. committee vat in 'view, and it may; perhaps, serve uu purpose tot bringing this .vexed question to "a direct issue. 1. therefore, ofter tht amendment.- which will be accepted d^ the gentleman -from Norfolk county, ia the place of the pending motion: "One county treasurer, who shall noi be eligible for/election for more than two ■ terms, nor after -service -for -a .secoiw term be eligible to ..appointment as y deputy by his successor." ' Mr. GEORGE K. ANDERSON: That £3 identically the same proposition. •"Sir. TURNBULL.: Mr. President-— , The CHAIRMAN: -Does the gcntleiaaii from Norfolk county accept cho aracnu ■ ment? ■. -. ■ ._ Mr. LINDSAY: Illiquid like to inquire what is the difference between the lan guage .used by the-, gentleman from re tersburg and the present UinsniagQ in tn'j report.- -There: is not a parUcle.pt an ference between them, as I understaau ' Tho CHAIR3IAN: Does the gentleman ".from NorfoU: county; withdraw his nio • Uon to strikoVout.-those words? " ;Mr.'PORTLOCK: With tho (i!H:mct un derstanding.: sir. that t shall -not bo com mitted -to the, ineliglbility of the treas urer.to - rerelectioninor the r inelifjiDtu-y of" his 'deputies-; or- anybody connected with • his Vofflce. to re-election, upon tna r questlon-beins hereafter raised. I w. ai .withdraw-:! my mtlon and. accent tne .amendment, offered:: by -the gentleman from- Petersburg: >^;'.'-- ' ' '"-: f :The CH.VIRAIAN: -The amendment of fered by ; ;the chairman m the .Conimlat.o on the Organization and -Government <>i ;CountiesiwiH:;now.:be read. :: v Jlr. LSOAZ:^Is irin order to offer a. 3U^ .stltutc -f or the - amendment proposed^ o> th»> gentleman J.from -Norfolk county . .The CHxVIIiMAN: Ite has v.-ithdrawa his amendment, w.: ;••.:'-; C.\- „ Mr.* BOAZ:|But the gentleman from Fe 'tersburg r has ;offered an;;>amendmeai : which the "■■-: gentleman- from Norwi« i'county.has accepted.- : Can I offer a sua stitute for. tuat: amendment* ■ThoCIIAIRMAN:: The Chair thicks so 1 ilr. THOMAS H: BARNES: Thero wad a offered : for the <amondmea» and I hardly ~\ thins it "would '. be in order. Mr.i-BOAZ: I want to offor; another ou«>. : Mr. > BROWN: I'-. rise, to a point ot c>r ■ der.;v: - :-;">v;: -;">v ; - '-??-'' : '-\. : -' : * '■ -: ' ; - ; ' ";- .- : fcMr. BOAZ: I ask thh Chair to rule upon ■the .'point"- whether :it is. In order or not. rA»?l; understand itlthe"cotnmlttee*3 report :is : ;pending :and ;«the;sentlernan from r*? ' tersburg n has *■. an : amendment _u> :a^pprtionTof?it;:aml;now:i'wish to ; 'a^substltxUe for: ; that amendment. , ■^The ! CHAIRMAN :^Tho. Chair cannot decide.rwhether;itfls'ln order or. not -unless ; t he i gen tleman lyt ill 3 send ie ; t «> ■ . tlw c naif ; and • let i it? be^ read, v v " ' , . ■Mr. BOAZ::! will" Send it t^ the dosic