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«icoNTiNUE» ritwi WGE-.); ' ;1 23£ L .
p^lhemio ■elect teh men'^-ho shall construe
S§|§tM*vir Clsoirm an^ there* is >" another Lflrgu-;.
;? ! i jno-T. t4 Uiat^ to I ? aiy, ■ m Jnd t: is 5 most ; ui^r,
| and. faHactous^J lt: Is u,-that;J the »; judges
'M Bhoulda>e rcmovodfromUhojpcoplc^liao
r: -] 'yjot know/oC ■: anything .which; seems s-. to me
that; i..c f jxmffcs
be;r<anoved ; from n the; people. v^ev:
11s i s^twhat^arc : thoflines I o£^their ?i li\ es.
Wconstant'contactvwKh alhtho peoplc.;^ino
§& come ¥ in 3 constant? contact 'twJU^ali^tnc
• jwopiev ■ What Is the life of^BO^HW;
- Jaany; people does 'licj sc-e?i How; many^ are
■^ Jais ■ nssocSaies? Jiow^ much : doesjie, Know
Si:cf; people; ; How, muchrcan^he^feel^for,
a? s them?. How can: heffknow'their^vaotS:
lieriai their suitrorinps ? i, You ■ k now/ Ahe
Stvcry :«at«ro:or Ws.Mferprcvcnta^imjfromj
in^contact
? you vpropose ; ; to say to him,- -\v nue-
I ; thaiviivyourj life;; while: T propo«»cUoiput',
you Vcvhere : vou fciinriot- f eel •: the < needs i and;
lEthe-vvants: of- the jwople.%l "also? propose,
'-"to so situate you that you; may not even
sVifct art: with tli« idea, tbatyqu we aiiytnmg.
:; .>OiTou-"m'ay call "•-' that independence; but
£; 5 submit to you -that -Zi is a most arbitrary,
V ' «mii ; a roost unjust; proceeding. . if: this Is' a.
•i <flom'ocratic: government. ; I know.it ;may
~ ■ he said to bedemagogcry;. but;: for my
fcolf.'l-'-ave" never, shrunkfrom the expres
"rajJon' of 'my convictions; on any' question
m ffrom ! any fear of that I kind. I: know,: that ;
I MDI may ibe I said • to ■; be • demapogeryu to say, |
-thy t a" judge ought; to" bo.: in^ touch .witli
The people;; 1 that it means .that, he: is go-r
•Jzig to do wrong;; that f he:ls,going;to;giv©
• "•■ way to all the vagaries of ; the people- ; Js
that: true?. 3s not" that : mer-3|fancy?«ls;
;siol; $iol that an arcunient that is attempted
■■•vo.be used against having ; you do justice
To the i>eople by; allowing them to elect
tiiclr judg«s. Isi the/; character ;of the
-Judges in the -thirty-odd * States .of tlie
• fcOalon where they are elected by.; the:
people so besmirched I as . you try to have
•us believe that of - the judges : of the
:': ' State iof Virginia would be? xs it true
• that they could come: up to the standard
of the judges of 'other' States; is it. true
'that- the electorate' 'of: this .State is not
;is honest as that oJTother States;; that
- ihe judiciary or .^Virginia, •; if " elected by
I the people, will not be as independent as
: nhat of other. States? AVhy do you'hesi-.
tate^o trust the people of this State ; as
.The people .."of States ilhave : been
I TnisLed? Tell 1 nie ' where : you "can; fin d; any
higher State judiciary than in many of
the States of this Union where - the
judges are elected by the people?. You
pass -. over the fact that \ in thirty odd
I Mates in this rtJnion. the -judge's are elect
..-• od; by. the people; and.you taIKV of the
" jcrreat danger that "will result; from; such.
'it system, when you know that the reports
of the great States in which"; the judges
nre elected by the people stand fully as
3iigb as those of -tnerStateof Aarginia,-;
1 say that no gentleman has a right to
.think the. jiidiciary of his State; cannot
j?«md .is high as tnat of the other States,
Vhen it is elected in the same > way with
'.' The judiciary of other v States, unless he
lias an infinite contempt foiv the people
'. ..\i-ho ' sent him here. ..."
Mr. Chairman, do you remove the judges
Ifrorrrthe people by. this system?.' Do you
| Tiot remove them i from [ the ; great mass
of the people and "surround, them "by
cliques and classes? Is it not true that
"vrhen you i elect a judge, he fails ; to come J
. Jn contact with the- ..= great mass of. the'
people, but, only with, his .own .friends?
Js it not; true, that he : comes -mainly- in
contact vrithnien of means, and men of
Vealth and men of position; in the coin
" Sn unity, but rarely, with the humbler poor?
80. instead of removing him. from all' the •
Jirople, you simply surround' him with j
cliques and with ' classes.; Tell me with i
itvhom the judiciary of. your- State ,'asso-v
".rime: "■' Tell'me whose houses they, frequent ■
"fthen an entertainment' is given: in this
■ rity:;'. Is if the houses of the rich or. the
houses of the poor?- I am not objecting to
1 1seir association ; . but 1 submit ; that when •
v you say you ; separate them from .- the" peo-'
; jile, you are saying what is. incorrect.. You :
dimply separate them from the masses of
the people, and; make, them associate Vwith
.tliques '"and: classes. •
"What- is tlie effect. of that association? :
"What is the effect, not upon any particu
lar. indKidual, not upon- any r ;- particular
but upon : your nature and upon 'ray
■ hature; if.Tfe only associate with. one class
<xf ■. people? I may be as . honest |as the | day
:5s loner. : I may strive as hard as any man
lo:dowhat is right; but just as: certainly
as I am standing here,, my mind is going
-to be affected by tlie people with whom ! I
-.-.Associate.^ and into x my mind are going .
-16 drift the feelings and' ideas of the class
of people with whom I go. Whether they ;
sjiie rich.or poor,"I am going to be:affected
try. those people by whom I am surround- .
«?d and vritli whose ideas' I: have daily come
': in -contact. ;;"••.'.■ ; '■ ■ ; ■'■■-:'■■_ ■'.■• ■ •. .••■
iVi'Wliy, "Mr. Chairman; how long ago was
• 5t that the highest tribunal of this Union
Asas charged almost with bribery, because ;
,;3tr. decided, the .income; tax,- case -against
';Avhat" was believed ■ by. : a large number of
Siis;to "be the' law. of the land. ; -For myself,' ■
1 1 never thought it; I l never; thought it
: was to think anj'thing of the
' kind. -.1' simply.'. recognized -the;, fact, that
those men in \Vashington : had associated .
only with those people whose ideas -were
'opposed to that particular; law, and: that
juHfas inevitably as- the: associations ex
isted, "their minds had been affected by.
U«e ideas that had' been held and dis-;
i<Tiss=edrby the, class of people by whom
■they were surrounded. : ■ ■:
c,:lt js.idie for a . man to . think " that hr
,v<.'an: put himself -upon a pedestal, and Ik
.uninfluenced by. those with .whom he. as-
Bociates.. Therefore, it is ; that:i say that
t when | you elect: a. judge, > you are not'sepa
% rating him from ; all . the ; people,' : but you
;'-are' necessarily; separating; him; from", the ;
'great mass of - the people, and heremains
/surrounded by these classes in the lines of
;.lifejin,.which.he'walks. ; ; , - ;
'si iMr.' Chairman; there is * another ; line ■■. of
V argument ; that :has been 'used here: that
~.spemfi-:to*ma to be unfair.. Ifis the .ar- .
Kgumentt that there is so; much : danger," in
"irusting the'people. ViWhy doiwe ;not look
'flfter the danger that has existed and does
« «xist in* trusting^ others?. a the :
; jnerit of. the presehtsystem; instead of un
:riertaking to pick -liaws uin the ! : proposed ;
;one. AVhy, not longago the President ap r
pointed' to the ' Supreme >; > Bench's^ of : the
united ; States a* man whom : his . brethren .
I "Upon j the bench ' urged " sliould 1 '- not" ba I ap-' ;
ll>ointedi Not; long-ago- the.^ Presidents of
i^he g United ; . States/ appointed ;a ; judge :.:in
-Xew" York whom; the membersjof the bar
rteripuncedJ and. urged should; not 'be 1 , ap-;
-))ointed. : Did the people ever, do anything :
I worse than £ that ?, : Pray tell ; me,>,wha t of ;
A.lm appointments that have been, made all
fihrbugh:the South in? the, last^fewJ years?,
cl)o they meet' with your approbation ? 'And ;
yet 1 ' who Tdidri you trust v Not .the < people; '.'
iii bu-t trusted, the highest executive . officer .
,-nf the National? government— the -Presi- -
■? the;" United. States..'; Surely.iyou
;>ould trust" him"- afi.vwelU as; you oould t\ < .
the United States. And.yet he ■
1 has $ fallen into 'error; lie ? has ' given - you
Vthis: class of;: judiciar>*>; that - has ; been , de- I
;nounced ? by some! of -the' judiciary- them
■ Kelves. Can the people do anything. worse. ;
;than that? > ; Then' Avhy .should you take '
) «way > from* them 'their rights, whenithey |
s-cannot; hurt; you ■: any;, more i than 'you' are \
S3iurt by the system : you approve of.- -'■"- ',■"-.•'■■ ;
«o AnotherJ thing, Mr. r,Chairman.v^lt is al-{
i.Avays' r unfortunate ? ; to^underta.ke kto | speak~ '■■
t t)fi'_ classes" and^wealthy and [poverty, ; but
i,'ls- ; itlnpti.the-;dut>".;oft'a : iman.tOi recognize' f
itheifactithattihUhe^lastUenior^fifteen'or, ■
J twenty, years there ha\ r e come up;the:most~ ■
W. flaniowrous s r clashes ?and |
'•Jabor?f Tell] me? whethertthesf uture slboks
p "brighter^ than -the ; , pas L~%Tellime ;
'you cannot almost seei" lhithe^ future, fgreat ;
■^danger : of Sgreater.t trouble. vS:Upon;';..which t
Sside shailf the; judges\be?^Shall\theyl stand !

you 'cannot^ have -themi so, :;if ;
iyou ares to "deprive.; the; people of tall-con-;
:•: • iiection^with^.themhland 'jthentlet^.their. •
v;;lives-,be: alonjr;-thosec lines?,. that r capital ■
;Jalonei follows:* " ; /'V; :"£■ '■'■''. ',-yS' ■'-. .'■' \ : - v "■'■ '■'■: :^-:- J . : -': '<
"I say^if ■you':khow^if i you;feeircohrideht,
?iif s your pa.st^ teachesiyou: that; such' is I go- i
;
; prevent it- as * fari as i you "f can' by letting ;
s;vthe? judge.«! : "knowiithatc'.while 4 we i do^not ;
S«xpectiof-them;an> r thing,unjust;or. unfair,^ ;
k you ijwant* themvto jleels.Uiat- there Jisj some j
Iconriectionlbetween^themtaridi the I
!»3t ? does j notiaffect | their; independence ; > tout
S this % freedom £ f romg:any^ responsibility/; at i
?alHto|tlie.lpeople,-^wh6:i!;youHletvthemfas- '
LKocialelentirely/with!one>class;6f?meniin" ;
Stheicommunity,jdoes[cndanger:thelr.?£air- -
'Jl'-SB. •-, " ....
p|vlsith«v;e 'a Jawyer wlthinUhe ihearlrg; of ;
|iny v i^ f oice!iWho^wiUtnot^Bay4 that?" there" 1
Ijhavctbeeri] Injuirctions?gfantedlwithin! the :
I Jast ten ■ or, flf teen^yeaTs ■. that; have ; shocked j
justice? :;lS' there" a lawyer '■!
;^vithin I the I hcarine r of ! myxvoice\who Jwill f
01eny:(ithatv- there •' is s nothing r ; more 5 urif or- j
ptunateiinlthefJudiclali'Bystem'ofithesKa-
1 tional \ Government ■ j than i the; ia.ct\ that 1 ; the *
vpudses i are; soi far,' remoyea^ f rom £ the i peo- li
f ple?glHfthereino.tfaifeeling*onjjtheir.ipart' t
; «»f-.kf?j>insrawayifrpmSthe< people,^of ;not
| m'<" tjM tl i hey^ flreS any/.pa rt | n nd*
rr sParceljof5 Parceljof^ tbem?.« Is! there) any itouchf that y
:^V* ll !' : . :!^'*;'->v*.«j«v.tht;'.naU(>Hiaf'ju'diciarylatid? X
lr'^^ IPO^<^pf;this?WMntr^SAndsiibw3ypu! j
*''^'. : i l '^^?'^"r'':tl>o/;Baixi©s'piane?ybur, '•.'■
■ Stale; judiciary.- =' I lam snot: spealdngfof
? ,'a Ui of it," but I; am ' speaicing. of ■ thfrihead \ol
I the judiciary deparj.mentr;«Youi propose ■ to
■■ fputfctbe judiclarjr^systemfeofgyouraState;
* ijnXthe: samoisituatiori^Uiamheyjmayifeel;
! • s what?*ThatUhey.!'are<free;ofithe; people.^
■■ cannbtiSfree r ',them«?f romEthe*sur-[
1 Grounding. circumstarices^'lt ; makes ! no dif- ;
ference < by.\whot« .* theyj? are tcleeted.f SjYouJ
- are .simply :}ir^inK"tliem?from?what>you
■ ! deem : one ; evil* And r putting cithern S ihS^the,
i situation of feeling? the! influeuces'and<ef
ifects' of ' r classes | and Scliaues .^instead S or
i having; them-recognizeithe:factUhat, they,
■ } owe^ their i office ™ to I the people, ; and ; that
tliey^shouldvfeel?andslookHinto-:and^es
■ amfhet the? needs and ;^ the; wants. of ?>the
people. - ■ - v '■'"-.,-
any man believe that some of those
■ outrageous I injunctions i- wouldghavej; been'
!gTantediundcriany;Otherisystem?gr;recT,
osnize: thei fact: that? many, ! of i.them'.were
'" proper, -f or,! I; am! no I man - to ; advocate \ the
• l destructiohiof ; property-, 0r,.- thei\*lolatlon ! :.of.
! lav:*; I ■ recognize the j necessity.; of the-.ex
tent-of some " of T those] injunctions,Kbut I
:: t hink there. is not; aiman • within,the([hear
ting 'of <• ray " voice who ■ will s not r admit- tnat
; the > fait that' these judges ;.were; so
lutely Independent off the, people fallowed;
khem*to ; sro farther thun- they 'were: en
; titled :to go or, ought >to :■ have : gone ; i ana
; that ;•• they perpetrated >in justice. = -\ ■;<?<-- T \
> . 'Mr. Chairman, . in ■ closing I : simply^.want
to again call 'your,- attention to % this s fact: \
! What" are -we asking : you: toLdo?.;To;rec
bgnize that in ithe'systemiof government
you have " r established »; there rr are i : three :
equal land ■ co-ordinate branches. ./We urge
; that V if ; you ■ recognize .that ; f act, : and that
'the power : comes from : the ipeoplo— if ,these
are : not L mere "glitteringf generalities.'C-but
earnest ; : "principles i ; in-, which, you
youv.wiir let r the ; people!-have a;chance; to :
elect, Uhe head;of;one of- the most import
ant; departments, the judicial head. " (Ap
plause.) - '" • . "' : -"-" •-■■•-'■.."■-;.■ '-■■-;'.. ■
\ Slr.-'-THOM- obtained, the floor. ; , :
•--■Mr. -'HARRISON:. I.wilLask.the gentle
man from : Norfolk: city. t-j.r. .Thorn), to
yield while I offer an amendment to the
section. • ~ - ■'..'-' '■ '■
g] The • CHAIRMAN: The amendment pro
posed by ;,the gentleman from Frederick
will be stated. . . '• '•
; The Secretary : read . as , follows :
"The judges.; of the Supreme: Court of
Appeais shall be; elected by the ;people; ;
but^aiLer-the first, election. held-;under.
this Constitution,' L the
may prescribe,! by law, some other, method*
of.electing the .'same it it shall deem ad
visable."^ •- "" - .'■'... :■-' '■■-•-.. :.T - ; : : ■- -
Mr. HUNTON: I ask that .the..amend
ment be again read. . -.'.. :■■-■■--,' '-.■ .; . - -„
The Secretary, again read- the amend
ment...'.. - ■-'■ ■.■ '- -
. Mr. TURNxk JLLi: I confess that on ac-
count of the noise I couldnot understand
the position of the amendment oftered~by
the gentleman from f Fredericks (MrJ> Har-J
rison). Is it an amendment to the sub
stitute of the gentleman from Danville
(Mr.; Withers),; or; what is^it?- ."'•. ■ ; '"'
- Mr. HARRISON: it; is^ an amendment
to the ; substi tu te. The | purpose; is \ simply
that we shall try the experiment of elect-;
ing by the people,"and if the result is not
satisfactory 5 the General t- at
some future election, may return to the
present imethou.: y>". '" ' '■"" ■ 's,. . >
Mr. . THOM: Mr." Chairman and gentle
men :- of the ' Convention, "" I ; believe -i. the
question we. are : .now.consideringds..vital"
'totlie interests of Virginia. The whole
independence . of | our judiciars r ; is at stake;
I have to-day heard an' argument ; made
on this floor, such-, as l ; had never expected
to near on the I soil of r I ;' have
heard an appeal-; made; for; a: dependent
judiciary. ,The; gentleman who -has just
taken his seat, has; niaae ie; a matter 5 of,
criticism, of our .; present' system of electing
our judges that-, the are . not cde^'
pendent : upon; the ;I; I; had never^
supposed I would hear from 'any 'source;
in this State, a question- that the . true
principle of ' government, the foundation;
'rock of the safety of our liberties, is: that:
our . judiciary -; must be : independent <": of
everybody: and dependent upon nobody. ■
If it be the sentiment of ;tlie. Convention
that we must establish-avjudiciary^de
pendent upon .the people, then every prin
ciple which has -found: favor in>;represen
tative government; ;every • principle which
has given to : the world a system of-; liber
ty, must be ■ forever, abandoned. :
| Mr. MEREDITH: May I "interrupt the
gentleman from Norfolk city for a mo:
ment? ' ..-■-.'.:-":..■- • -;'- ■ ; ■ ' ; -;'v-
V: Mr.:THOM:'Tes.- r sir.^ ■ - :: «••■ ;V
Mr. MEREDITH: You have undertaken,
of course, to put your construction upon
my, speech. * - .-;: • -
Mr. THOM:'Of- "".course. '•... ' : . j
Mr.; --MEREDITH:. WiII, you define.what
I meant by "dependent?" .Let. us see.ifit
is dependent. You construe it. ;i\bwde
:fine it,, if . you pleasa: Let me see : what
r meant by "dependent" v - • ,
.-Mr. THOM: I do not know that I can
define— — • : ; ' : , . , . - ■.
,-,Mr. MEREDITH: I think not/ •; ■ . ■'„
Mr. THOM: What ; the : gentleman from
Richmond . means by :,"dependent."
' Mr. MEREDITH: I did not * say "de^
pendent." ; You said' "'dependent." You
so: characterized my remarks.' .= *" ■ ■
-Mr. .THOM: Yes, sir;rand I will, proceed
to show by the propositions vwhich. you:
favored that the necessary and: inevitable,
result ofthe principles! that yourlaiddown'
■is to : establish: a dependent judiciary, and;
that your: complaint -against the' present
system of electing judges is ' that they, are
not dependent uponithe people. ■''•;'■.,."
>Mr. : MEREDITH: Now : say in what
sense of the word. '. ■■% .- '; -
' Mr. THOM:In/the sense" that-the judges
will : resj>ond -. to the people's \ wishes——
;. Mr. MiifiEDlTH: No, sir. " '. K/.^'-'t
-„* ;Mr.^THG'ji: f To : .theirj purposes. _ . :: :
Mr. MEREDITHS No,. '-sir;: nor-is there'
one line or one word that I have ■ said
which-will justify any such remark. :
. Mr. THOM: The ; gentleman 7 : from Rich-"
mond will have abundant time to reply
to the; argument -I shail- submit.
Mr. MEREDITH: 'But that statement
requires denial now.. > - - >.;.;
Mr. THuM:I have a right to draw in
ferences from ; the -principles which 'he
.laid down, and I have .alright to make'
an argument; as to : the conclusions;- to:
v.'hich those principles would reach. /I am
not putting the word,: "dependent"-in?his
Hps;l am not pretending to this Convention
that he has used that literalTexpression;:
but I ; am endeavoring \to ) show • that that
is the necessarj* : inference • from what he
has said, and that the: result of the sys
tem' which he proposes will, inevitably
lead to that end. ,'
I i heard .< him : use . tnis illustration. He
said gentlemenV could i: all remember 'howi
aifew years : agoV whenfthe Supreme Court"
of- tlie United: Statesi'aecided the. income;
tax case, there were! charges 'of bribery
made against that :.triDunal ; that he = did;
not share in. the: belief -that there "had*
been any. bribery; [but he contended :that ;
the -tribunal had made i decision "be- ?
cause the judges fwere • not elected : :byj thel
;people.; but were in touch with other-in-i
fluences. . In /other words,; that if the
judges had been the offspring of- popular :
vote, if they, had been- elected;-: then that:
decision would, not -have 'been: made. > Let'
1 me ; ask the ■ gentleman, 1 ; i suppose r that" de- "
"cisionj is ■ : right? " Then^ he ? would; • say. ■'■• i i>
I ought not : to ; have • been; made,, because" it ;
is i contrary to ■ the : interests •; and\the l piir- ;
: poses : and 3 the views : of - the I people.
; . Mr. MEREDrrH:? Surely, the gentleman
;from Norfolk "city: is : not justified,; if ! he^
will allow me— — % ; : v -
< : The : Does 5 the gentleman
rrom Norfolk city, yield to \ the- gentleman
from: Richmond? s .; ' -
-Mr. THOM: Certainly. .
. Mr.-MEREDixH: Surely the gentleman
is > 7iot-justified;:by;;ttnythinga-have:said ;
in. making .that- remark. >No^momerit-:ins
i?^^ ww ° uld : ?tHe^gentleman;fih
thinking.^ tliat- ; I- -would;. entertainK any:
;thought : like thatWndfl am surprlsediat'
his ;undertaking to say it ■••■!* ;
:.S Mr.vTHOM: Mi; do ;not : : think ;; my friend
understands iine; conclusions I to which' his
views would ' carry r /him.^v '-■-'- . . v . ..•-•.-•
pMrJCMEREDITHr.-I^lll^not -undertake!
whether :_li understand r my;; own iposition.-f
butvwhat^l:(anv^contendlngiforsis|that!fll
shall.notsbeiputtso;unfairly;inVaip\)siti6n?
th^ hasa P"t» me;i;which "ei<
hope the -did =not intend;; tofdo,^ and SI -do
not! presume i he ,would : do ■ it's inten tionallv ;
; I. haye 4 never; contended;- norhave ilr ever;
said'tanvthing i: pustifyVthe
s atement^thatganj^ judgeS^Sl J makl'
any, aecislonrbecaurjsthenwas leleetedibV^
any^classjofipeoplc-^lihaveasimply/sald'
Uiat .where you | separate! the ; judges ff romt
tue;.people vand , put SthemS only iwiths one :
class^they i ;arefgoinsr|;tolbev;affected^'byj
thatc ass^and-insteadof ,that;%they oughtil
tfe?beiins,tpuchiwith]tthespeople^sbi:that
they^cans f eel tthejnwmts- of ,- all/^ If 1 there^'
Isiany, dependencejinii,that,vl'pray;fbr The? 1
dependence/£;(Applause.r - yioline
theig^ntleinan[was^prayins, ; for;tahd'whati
I^understoodSthatlhisffargumentSnieant^
of- my > f riend.'f ; M ami sure t hegbejleves&
would^not^putaiimlinfanyiimproper^posP^
Uon,tbutiwhat?jlfam I lattemptlngj'tos'dolisl
to ; show ithat- tlieiviews iwhieli! ihe"prespnts^
would Inwltablyjs result vHn?a^ dependent*
judiciary. ' ■■ ■ -■ I ~\. l \\
% Take ■ the 111 11st n tlon v-,whli'h&n^g^^
tiKidc '■; tTom .I;-- 1I3. 0 : /Suprcin©^t Court 4^ llioi
Irifc ttTOHMOND DISPATCHI-IITURSDAY. DECEMBER 5, lfljl
clsionlonSthefincome|tax!<juestlon,ii^ae
bySthotSiipreme aCour^ and gthatphfere
were 's charges Sof ;« bribery^ againßt athati
court Jlthat< he? doesXriot jenterUUng-forta
moments t he § idea* that | those are
\v6a-founded^vyhatsddeal ; that|lllUßtration
m©ah?^i\V.luit^usei:uiPi)urpdsoEfhaS| ? it;fin
anSareumeflt.^!unlesßsltlnieans|an|indlct
m'ehtfofith'a'methoaisoff'apifolntlngithose
iudßes;t'andsthat;ifj'.theylhadrbeonielecteqL
by ■Hhe;''peoi>ie;S£ls^2WOuldlnot??haveß'sp}
declded|tlintfcase?^lfitheyiwouldfiiot|spj
have*decidedHhatfcaseSif Jtheyfhadtbeen;:
elected^thGnT^thelldecislohSwouldSjhave;
beeri=detGrmiriedJbyJthe|rnethodfbfStheir,;
election ;|ajidEJf«that|does|'hbtSniean'de-:
jyendenceiupoh^thejpcyopJltJlwhofelectitheni,'!
tbenS in S'frankriess.iS ge!ti tlem^ngji tell fj me )
what'i t* does inieanft^Wasi tr or/was ; it; not T a"
pleaT-againstlsthesfSupremei Court:?; of s*the(
United^ States f-becauserof I, the?. method;;of |
Itsrappblntment?'"^.^- -' ~^W^i
«>.« »«...*..•■»
h& inter
rupted^constantly. ; .. :-. :v«#
■Mr.MMEREDITH; Very well:
3. MV.?.THOM : »If *If impute/any tbingi to j my;
frierid*that?hc"fdldlnot'say7?r; shall jbeper-i
fectlyXwlllinff;to;beiinterruptedsand l itotbe ;
corrected. •--. . " ~.%gjM
JfMr.f MEREDITH : I : shall not f interrupt
your -Jfurther.: r ' ; : ' ::-..: ■£■■]:"■■ v:.'--':^';-/
ji;\l r£.TH < >M : : ¥ But jif 1 1 am con- :
elusions ■' from; -what l my.' friend fsaid;*| and;
i : *auy;;i.ney, are 'myiconclusions,^ridosiioti
consider.Sitifair ; -to?be':interrupted« < 'tossay;«
that? my? conclusions ■ may.: not ; be 1 his I con-}
elusions. '•■•-„- ", '.
SHeturning, - then, ■ibecausevtliese:;; inter-:
rupttons •'■ throw;] me* off ; Mhe'j line :{of ;- my]
thought •andtljhave'to?catch?itiup7anew,l
toJthlsiniustration^lysay^thatiifv.thatVil-l
lustrationimeant'ariything it'meant anin?.
dictment?of S the" method* of f appointment,';
and';* that? the ■'. decision nave^beenj
different Hf ? there^ had Sbeen' va ; different ;
manner, of If ;that- does mot;
meanfito:; makeSthe-jdecision^dependent;
upon.thefinethodof appointment; I" should;
likelto {know;; in Uhe iname of reason,"\what
it;does;mean^; ; Andso>l'think;l am-justi-j
fiedsin?saying. that friends- principles/
vvoiildf tend- to | make [ the -'judiciary.; depend-]
endCupon I their ! el ection* byi the : people ! and
toJEmake itheir ; opinions ■? reflect ?, the/influ-j
ence7pf itheir] election* by/the!t)eople.-. - .
l.The [gentleman: said ;"takeithe : legislative
3epartmen.t ; ■«why/ should^- the i people i: elect
thej legislative .department/? and^notv elect
the"; judges > who ■; constitute 5 a -co-ordinate
flepartment ; -of ~- go vernmen t.'' v i-iThe ■' very,
underlying '•'principles thati necessitates ; the
election; of therlegislative; department 'fby.
the % people } is ithat J- the % Legislature if; shall
rellect'the views andiwishes of the. people"
The f^'ery ■ idea-; is" to ? make ■ the 'Legislaturel ature
dependent upon the people who'electjthemi 1 :
it^is ; .to,; make itheir; official: acuon orespond
to -rthef: wishesi'of '■ the Awhile ■•■ the
whole ; theorj' s of : a. judicial system ; is : that ■
th^tmen > upon t the ? bench'; shall-, respon di to
nothing fexceptatruth^ and =fjustice;?vf that
they.- shall simply.' declared the law ! as ' it^ is,'
and ■■ that ; they ' shall make no law.*?: If there
[s any.genius who can point out a similar
ity^ between:' those ;; two i cases— a case, £on
the;6n'e^]iand,t."v\'here :it isfinterided ;that
thei popular.? sentiment 1 shall- be? -.reflected;^
md! the : case/ on 'the other hand,* where' the
poweriof < = Almighdty, God- could be;extend
ed to no; greater purpose, than to 'keep the:
voice of .the ; people ;;or/- anybody .^else's
from:;- being -: reflected '■■ in 4 ; official .> ac
tion—l * should" like •= to ■■ kno w i what i It? is." (
vAsl.understanclitheLfunctionof a judge,'
It :■ is ftto^reflect" nobody's views.r nobody's
wishes,-^ riobody|s : theories! in^ his j decisions. ;
The : fundamental principle! upon .which'our;
judicial s system ; is; founded? is that :: there
shall , be v a solute , independence •of every,:
consideration. ;exceot to ; find out what
Is v the 'truth and to declare it. '•;■':■ 'V ; .':
X Gentlemen'; talk about -the -judiciary' not
being initoucli with\the people.ilf tthat be
so," I-; thank '• God^; for. it, i, because ; our : liber
ties .would; be gone the very/moment" that
our.^ judges ]began: to; reflect anybody's
views : or: anybody's; seritiments.V-Illustra
tions of ;this:niust have occuri'ed in every
body's i experience.- ■ " ':':.: ' •'..
.'I :stahd : now/in^the presence of a man
upon" IJiis floor with .whom; this has,occur
red S in ■ his ':- official'- experience '-'■ and "? in •■ my
professional: life.'-^. One imorning.-I received
a : note • f r,om a : plain' sewing, girl in the city
3f Norfolk; asking- me, to^callat her. horned
When" l went | to '; her house,; she dame \ into
a.: neat, but; poorly -furnished : parlor, with
a sewing apron. upon- her and a thimble on
ber finger and holding a lot of papers. : She ■
said:: "I understand - my ' sister ' and: I i are
entitled to ;■ a : large | tract |of - land in: this
city." : I^took -the case; for those, two poor,
sewjng girls, and the » migation r lasted
through -.every Tcourt' in. c this State, for
seven - years. ■ • •■■ ' ; - : , " .■''?*'■ . :
vVWhileSthe .matter, was pending before
the;/ judge, of -the -lower- court notice : iwas
given ;to him,), not V in ; a -way of which he
could I take : cognizance, but : still ' given -to
him; ..that' if , he decided' that fcase in," favor
of .those two sewing girls, he would be rat
tackedlin the matter of ;his election before
the -Legislature. :^ The case ' was ; decided fin
favor, of :the girls" and "against - the : political
power of . the \ place.v: It? was ■•;. brought -to
the iCourt of -Appeals, \ andithere | affirmed."
:?But suppose V : that % political : power had
been in-a position to exert itself upon:. the'
election ; of ! this judge to . the [ bench.-'' Sup
pose,. that . in", the same £ year i his f term of
office had! expired- and there had come^be
f ore those people /the -question : of-his elec-"
tion to the bench. 1 {.^What would have been
the problem before -him?irHere was a man
cpntrolling.rthe ;wholei politioal power : of
oneofithe wards: of the- city of Norfolk.:
Mr.^ JAMES- W.'-; GORDON: May: I- sug
gest to I the j gentleman 'that- he; state | how
many, ;\ defendants 1 were"^^ involved in -that
case?.:.:.' \-,X": l : .-:-y : H:~';,''.:i-::.i< r ci. '■- :::] ' : ■■:..'^'-^ : .
■'I Mr. THOM: • Several ■ hundred. Here
a man confronted with the political power
of /one : of the ywards }, of ,the ; city : ; of i Nor
folk.vHere,on.the'one hand, were twoTde-!
fenceless! sewing girls,', making their -living
by^their needles/^Hereioii the other^ were
arrayed thej population'; and^theipower? of
one | of'; the- great : subdivisions i of ) the : , city.'
Wliat twould? have : been \ the? choice
that : judge— either ■- injustice? to -those '] two
weak,'-- def pnceless'Jgirls,'; or .; the staking ; of |
the sbreadv and ? meat I from -his ; own; wife
and-'little; ones.V "Would" hef have' been?. in'
a - position of .that : independence which ;vy r e
have a right to expect of? our; judges?
If on the - one hand ; he had decided in
f ivor of the girls; he would'have been'con
frontediwithithe^Tuin ' Bf| his ;,own- career,!
and ; with\the destruction? of itlie 1 livelihood
of: his ; family. .; lf , t on the other,; he had de
cided it | against Vth em, jhe .would ; have | been
wrong, riot only in : his ;own F opinion; : but in
the opinion of the Court of Appealsof this
State.--: ,;.:',-^. A;--:^/.\- — -/-v^w- '-:
v,Ts "that ; ; . av proper influence for- men .;,to
have over, their: judges?. Is it in the 'inter-'
est of(the'great public ithat;that shouldbe
done? ; If that be", so; then > the .influence
that vwill! decide | cases in ■.= the \ State; of iVir-;
ginia 1 :. will | be Ithe 'influence \ of | the, people
and S the: power; of popularity; :-".;.::> y *
'•Wliere does; a weak person' stand ' in such
a "controversy? : :TV;here:do;,the.*unpopular
persons"-; stand." in ;: such;- a>: controversy.?
What is . the.'safety , for -;the minority^of ;
the'speoplelwith: 'a. judiciary* dependent;
uponsthelmajority'bf^theSpeople?^^^"^.
:•' But I my.; friend t would? say . that! that -.was
a^locaL judge; that is ■aniofficei-wherelthe
gentlemanifromsßiehmondifcityiisJnotvin:
favor of: electing.;thei occupant by: the;peoj
ple.";i*jWhy,?i; Because; then?, it - must jbe i ad-~
mitted'thatithel judge sbecomes : : dependent
onUhe;peoplelwho:electshim:\:a ■;;:;; -: f
; Mr. r>MBREDITH : L-Let' me -correct;; you
there,:; as t you % misstate -;' my? position. ;- I
would : not • hesitate ;inl the j slightest ;, to » let
every 1 judge- in:: the | state | of ?"Virginia'^be
elected by - the people, j except • for.; the ) con
dition ;of -the electorate^ of f the : State. -T
believe: it: to :be a : true [ principle, vand 1 1 '■■ ami
not 'vwillirig-; to follow. " out % the principle
simply;>because.Of v the r surrounding cir
cumstahcep. ~ V~ • ' '
'■:■: Mr.ITHOM: ;.Then : ray :f riend's principles
arekworse;thah-I thoughtithey^were.' V
; v Mr.') MEREDITH : ' They iwould | be,\ cer-,
tainly, s ! if •: you i think a it • is : possible that >tiri ■
the "' city ;? of i Norfolk :' a"f judge iwhb vwould
decide ? iri v favor;? of s antworking.|girUj and
against=a':bossiTvould-,be.. turned down :; by
the •; good = people '; of ; Norfolk/? >•'; '~~H : . : ?^ • i '".'v :.•■""
;{i- Mr/? THOM : sir ; ?: and V: there "l is £ ho'
moreliTJOSsibilitySih;!.that" direction -in , v .the
city, of ,'Norfolkfthahs there fis i in Sthel'city
of .Richmond: ' -
T^ Mr. I ; MEREDITH: I say it could not hap
pen-here.
;s*Mr.*|! THOM : |I-V say A > that I that , is ' human
nature }. andi has i been ; found/. to ; be truth iin
;theihistory;ioffthekworld;^iThe<manr;who
anywhere offends: a ; popular sentiment | arid
the "'next >dayj has f,to ! appeal^ toithatt pbpu^
larJsentiinent^ris&inTnotpositiontoffinde
pendenceifand^itVis'sasitruennJßichmond
as i it "■ is j in ? Norf ol k 8 or r any/ other.* part jpt
the earth.
;:' JU say.^.f iir ther, a that -j there *is iino;s,weak
person;^ no lunprotecteai person,'; no suripop^
,ular,j,person?iupon^thejface4ofithis|earth
,who;can^be safe inUhe'cpurts iffpr^a/min-'
"utelweallbwithe'judgeitO'dependlupjonfhis
p-wni populajrity| with|.the|masses ; ? -\ -- ; ;
--But; vas;is.wasfsayinjr,v as;is.wasfsayinjr, my friend s would;
say* that |h'e| does I not ? applyi this
;to i the'dis trictsrsbut ; applies It } to j the^Cpur t
bf|Apbeals.lSl.et?usfobserye*how>,thatiWili;
work/ffi Suppose thati eminentjtribunal iwere
ito;deliyer,^intMarch!of|anyjyeaiV>-aniopiri
■ ion Jiunpn"axquestion^whichshadf aroused
iPOpular 4 interes t,l; bn^"whichf there £was fa*
imosfprbriouriced^popular^feelirig^andlhad
[ decided %iV I right; -i\ve| must? alll.ad
'mi 1 1 that iwaves s sometimes (sw^epT bveri'the
ipeopleiyiat:are%wayes|ofXcaprice!andmbt
i sound >and it substantial^ Suppose I in! such? a
conditlpnf.alcasejfhadVbeeriiidecldedfrightf
ibutEthatSit|hasSruinedsthejEppularityipf
khe|cpurt, r 1 and|that^ in ithelmpnthlof f May
r a*co6ventibriLwas called>for:the purpbselof
ripminatlrig^u^StateiitiGket/is including
■judges «of thes Court f/of -?s Appeals;^ is ;You
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thc'executive 'debartihent.tb be elected and
also !your judiciary."/ : : . :• ? ,
'* Would' a<Uemecratic or a Republican
convention vbevwilling;to; load up its '.ticket
with.;: an i-unpopular.v court?;" ? v\Vould "; it : .be
willing Hto g sacrifice .; the : ■ election v of: the
Governor and" the.whole State ticket in or
der,; to vindicate ■ the justice; and> propriety,
of i a; decision? If it would: not, ?. then r the
result would' be»>that it ,, would put
other 'i;( men ' upon ; . its - . ticket, . . : good 1
men,'":; perhaps ; • equally ;as '•;.; good . /as .
: those/? rejected./ But what -would I the
efCect^of rejecting, these .mehxwho had 1 de
cided: the> case right, "/ but 'had; decided
the i?" case " : right,; .. : butv ;s had: ;' ; decided"
r against the'popular trend of opinion and'
thought?£ It would, be ;to assail -their inder.
pendenceof decision.v/It.wquldbe to serve
: notice ; upon"; the next' court j that was elect-:
--"you" must 'keep your ear,^ to 'the'
ground to /listen to the-' swell" of "popular
Jthoughtand' popular .sentiment:".;- It would:
-be l to ; serve notice upon ■:: that court'; that
U'you", must '• make no \ decision,"/ except such
(at< decision?: as iwillr- strengthen /the iticket
on' which: you '■ aspire ;to : afplace." ; * •/ . . - '
% Is '.that;?! then; 1 : gentlemen,' it dependent »or
anr independent: judiciary ?i^Js that a iway,
lof i seouing : a 1 Supreme Bench ; thatlwill •; do
'justice to jthe\weak :' as well; as \ the strong?,
? Is ; '•; that ;;; aWayJ of obtaining ,'a s Supreme ,
: Court .which twill' decide;; in favor of what
is .unpopular, if lit is \ right;: against .what
Js:popular?; : v'-' ■'-■/.•/:••:'■ ' s ; r'--/^ : ■"-■'•■ ;~ "■ ■■< , '■'■ ..'-,
:WBut;you: invite into the.whole judiciary.
' system;?.'; as -■' you'; do -'in the '-.locality,": the
TquestionTof ; subjecting the : rights of ; every,
[ man : to { the j tes t :.whether or. not -.the -judges
! are j s trong^enough |to choose between : ; their,
■own':bread; and :the; rights "of the. poor, and
dependent: litigants^ before^ them.;, Vj.You
jserye? notice: upon Itheni^that -''you; must
;-be an" element of strength: to ; a State tick-"
; et; j and \here;you ■ have determined; a'; ques-
: tionj-right,-.upon its: merits,- but j against'
j popular ; though t, ; popular ; wish.Ya.rid \ popu
ilar.:;sentiment.'V:; .'.-..;'.'" -.'--..• ■..■_■'•
•^11r. ',-. o:pLAHERTY: ; Will the gentleman
yields for. a; question? ; a . •
;,: Mr. :THOM: ; In (one-moment/i -What
/■would- bejtlie? result, I ;say,Supon<a> court
Jwhich'was assailed. iby; a: choice^ between:
tthose two ! alternatives ?/Would it 'be ; to ' de
■oidei the Vcase- right cand'^forefeitithefplace" l
;uponthe,ticketj; the" judicial: office,*; and; the
fsupport'and ; maintenance:of';his:family;',or.
iWould'ittbe^to swiiirit 'at: a : wrong decision';
? and ":. thus ~. set his / sails .-tot popular : senti
;ment,:,to.win;popular;applause?;; ' •": ' ;; ■:■/■':'.
/j;iftthere; is' one/ place. .-;- gentlemen^'
-where we want to be. safe, it: is; iri> the"
• courts »v of .; our . country." / ■« Al though ; . we
sit ; here -;as ; ; the ; chosen" repre- :
sentative's-O: four v people, there; is :i not'
ipnej of ius/ whq^rnay / noti sorrie^time ■ rerS
Squire"' thei support i of justice/a rid fright;
i against ■] popular.;; sen timent.^.Wliere ? shall;
;we '/ find ■i t ?>" ;In ; ; what ; . department >of I
• goyer nment ; can : ; wei look v f oi-1 i. t unless )
■ it.is^iri. the judiciary; " V Ariel, yet^.Svith"
a : ; ho'wling.; niobr: f ull" ; df distrust,-; ;uri-;
: just :(criticisni;aridi hatred /around
, where ". can "■: we.ifind ,the sudges:'strbrig]
;enough\:to/jstand : ;upr;and;
( weak aridjthe; powerless, Ainlesslwel take;
Uhem'-; away /from; the 'deitendence^ incident"
? to -; ; .; ■'•■■ being. . - electedc-/,by :•: .the ; ; : , : ; ; howling
mobi that /surrounds the weak ;■ and % the >
.defenseless? '■/What^wduldfsbe^theyat-j
:titudeJof;:the" judicial? rriindj -.whehftthei
judge : ; sitsVupon^ the bench;; and- looks ;
at ; jthe^poor^ arid ; dief enseless:? prisoner i
in .the dock, ; ; onV the -Tone : . : side aridf the
".wild; howl VipfS discontent:-; "and&'disap-;
i pro val^that^sweeps^overji the -people^oni
j^he^putside^^andvafterA^ietermiriing-^
j -these J'iiVqueptioiis,' ;V according 1 ■-> to ' 3 4 the ;
rights^ of ;; ;a;pd^deferise^
iless 5 ; accused, V in ;;; favor /.tofj justice.; to
ihinjyijbuty against '■Q the :- ; howls M)f// the:
people ;outside;^the;;iiext:day r :he^has|t6:
submit 1 ; hisj chances :Tof ? election to § the)
:howlirig^r ; :;rribb :^ that /^is^beyond -..the^
court's doors? - , ■ •
/dTliat, /; gentlemen, '}• may ;'i occur :-lto\ any,
of us. AUof/us ;know,how.these."waves{
pf f caprice sand « exciteinent j arid 2 hatred^
sweep:^^roughvairvthejrnasses*of;Uhe;
people, ?*C: includtag ' ourselves. We
w^ hpwr* at ■jtimesK?nb¥' rriarij iff saf eys
g^teha^peop.^Es^ffi^tpJdayjdespisedl
r^d-^Ji'kted'^wih'o^tp^xnprroTOi'iJare'^ap^
iplauded^and^Tcarried'-aipon^the' should-,
rersJ6fitheii % ;fellow|citizens'.- '.^lg§sjki
ipleland^our^childrenfjandSfor.l'our^chil-.
S dren's w; children yj is ri as? judiciafy,sf| strong"
- enough ? and <i enough -f ania S in£
Icorruptibleienoughfito&bejiour^suppbrt'din.'
rtimes^oftAnead^^indfetolprptectilussinlthe"
ihour j,when\we i need \ pro tec ; tionr^llf fwe fare
iStrong>and'inightj%>w6 needlnolcourts^but
jifi i wefareiweak|and^defehc»eless,!|arid^arn-
fjustlaceusationslareihurlediupon^us/jtherf
lis|thes.tiriie|,wheriiwelneed?ariiiridependent
i^andf an? incdrruDtible y judlciary.Trif^f^^^S
iSßut,^gentlem;eri^we.|areJpointedfttd|tlie <
(daysjofilßsorsr:tQishowithatisuchfa*condi-?
|tlonl"of|a.lta!rs?-as.vl5 t Jiiaye\been .describing,
iwouldinotiexist^i'Thosexwere'.thefhalcyott.
idays\"of |^irgiriia's?Tiistbry.lS- Those liwere"
ithefdaysiwhenlwelhad^anjelectorateithat 1
twas f pure"} and I urid efiled^fAs «\vas ! said Iby,
Ithe *; gen tlemanj from I Manchester^ (Mri^Jn-"
f gram) g in^ his f, this gaf ternqori^iri^
c stead': of ithe f Angl6^Saxon,;race .that sprariar
|frorri|lthe|men|of4lßsoJand|s.Bsl?ibeingrsthe
Electorate -yri thiwhichiwe ? ha.yeltb|deal ito-'
tday,%^e'* : have3notsonly; themJiibutStßilri
Iformor slaves. , . '
0:lf iwetget jridjpfi these f ormera slaves iby;
firettQsr| suffrage! 'article, if we n^jciiJi sslab
lish in Virginia; an Anglo-Saxon .suffrage, 0
. pureand simple," we shallstiirhave all;the
j canker j that ' is iupori " us ; from ; thirty '. years
■of contact this 'dreadful .problems it
;will * take ?a> generation for.-us -to - produce
an ■ electorate equal to | that | of ISSO-51. > We
do, not" stand' on* the' same; plane' to-day.; as
= then. * ;. We ;- are • to-day ; surrounded P- by * an'
■ electorate which is itself .vicious, iwith? the
■-.'..? cancerj.' that "has i^ eaten into! ; us 'from^ our
* itouch with' thatiproblem, from .the. neces
sity thatu grew up , afresh c and anew;;f rom
; its very foundation! ' And yet this the price-;
'less : jewel ■; of s our , .civilization;V,. civilization ; V, this s incorr
; rupt and | incorruptible "judiciary *of ; : ours,
;is to be: taken from-'us, -and weare'to be
put down. "jnvithe mud and 1 mirerand? filth
:of >: the ?: condition c. which -has grown-up
i around,: us in ; the -last, thirty.; years in JVir-.
\ -ginia^.V' .'.■','.•■.■; .-•" r':''-'r ':''-'- ' -;T .-'■^' •-.-' ;■'.•.'.;" ;■"■'-■.":- ■■■■■■-
■; : Gentlemen, Vlet;me appeal to you, to save
, this I one y.yestige "of our; protection?ithis J
;one:great'bulwark;of our; rights. iLetus
remember jwhat;we»have. ? - : L.et us : look'at
; the -: history. :bf{ the [bench ; that sits ; yonder,'
and.Hell ;me* where," ;in' the history, of; old:
; :^ r irginiaj-:ithere-ihas:tbeen.a .more" incor-"
. 'ruptible'judiciary.'thanjwe have had there
.in .= the^lastrthirty; years?; '' >
i;v-'A'nffX'wlfen*il':*l6'6k^at:-:th v 'e circuit/judges
• "of i the : Stated with 'whom i l : have \ an? inti-'
;mate professional* acquaintance,; and see.
that "they. ? are -i men • who . can ; be \, trusted
iwith all .the s delicate affairs of ; life, ; who
: would; adorn! the" Supremesßench of; this
■State, : and realize that: they ; aretthe: off-;
; spring. of a system ..which^is ; here attacked
arid - sought cto:be ; overthrown, -~I ask you
: to : lay. no'^yatidali hand : upon r ; a system
iwliich has! given this : ; protection, and this
;«loryito^our;;State/i; «loryito^our;;State/ i ■ ■.■-'• ,;■;'..■•. •-■- ; - .:
•S/I ; do: not believe we are :iu such '-..a-condi-.
' tioh v-that .we^need - any- protection^ rom
j anybody. -I ■'. do ":. not .believe .'; there : are", any
litigants irt {Virginia.- who - are] so powerful
that'they /can; get an.!; advantager-in; our,
courts. ; As: for, myself,' during an ;experij
fence'of :twenty:;years atYthe;bar, rl.have.
.'livver ' seen; av time r when * power j was Jcon£:
: smered ; by* one \ of : our; judges;:;j udges ; :; and, 'l thank , j
;God,7>l :: havea never,^ seen the I time . Iwhen |
;.wealcness ); was : considered.-"-*! 3 have';' never.
i seen"; the s..tiriie ;.when \: the | only : principal j
: whicht actuated; purpjudges^was not? the I
i justice ;and ; right [ of ; a cause.";? -. ;.' ; . ; '^. , ■
fATherejisTonelthing-fromiwhich.the Un-'
:derwoo(l;Constitutional: Convention spared;
: us.; -Jit spared' us from': the very; thing ;that'
isUb-day/ sought; to r be put-uponus.TKSup^
pose.'i inJISCTi'; they.;; had I for ithe ;
■electionr- of ; by., the : : peoplejwhere
Ew|guld§weT.have].'beenvtp-day?:-;We. ; t,wPuld:
i have sbeerii steeped i in'i the : mire.of rcorrupr;:
Itipri.h and" the H'ery-J life principles of our
I people :,would | have\ been i sacrificed. ? And
Mf.;itl,w6uld';have-been-soiunder,uhose.Jex-;
"agerratfed^ conditions, -v then i it ;wili; be ~ so,v
;to r a'' less ; extent, ; urideri the; better;
•'conditions V. that.-: 'surround. CLC L us "to-day. V ; >v;S
jthatir it'had.-? beenVr put •.upon ,*us : -, in 'slSb7/
jWould? .we .";have!"'beenr;'safe?irW6uld, we"
ve '^ been : f ree ? i.AVould : \ we : to-day,' have'
j been 'the i race >0f: men S that T . "we 2 are^f;with.;
*;the^liigh -ideals ithat'iwe; have, afj.wei had:
ibeeiiS subjected ;>to<.the low;? standard^bf;
morals i. incident ; to *■ such ."? a?: con-";
idition ?^And 2 if '.the.-! standard" of -j judicial"
imdrals 'would; have ;been 'low, ; what
jhavejbeen jthe i reason? 'Dependence iupon'
; a-low,. vicious; order of electorate. \ ' :';
;; Iwhy.1 why.- should Iwefinake biir;
ijudiciaryXdependent'uponvanyielectorate?;
rlt haye'jbeeri^ asked y this |aftei - noon\why? itj
as ithat* a Deropcratic : ; caucus : of ; the I Gen- -
: erai /"Asseniblygwbuld? riot :~be ;' as t' apt Sto •
; ; corisider-g alli;these3 matters • of Spppularity;
.as . a^Dempcratic Convention. ;;;;L,et riie sug r ';
fges t Hhis i plairisfu 1 lswer,; that; comes ;to : me :1
The;S.\vorky of 5 tlieY^jDemocratic "f cauciis " : is ;
;subinitted|toirio*;popular4vote.";JThe .work!
i of f ; the I Democratic >;Conyen tion \is | at; once
; submitted if, to sa g p6pular.;-.vote;tiThe 'S test \
1 pf I i thel excellence « of X the S work a of P. the :
; Demccratic [Convention ; is iwh'ether-'or not :
; it iisTpppular.'f" The,-; tests of vexeellence
;'of j^tlxe f action -^pf ithelDemocratic ■' caucijs 1 •
tis.Vwhetheripr^ri'bt^itfappealsitoijthelibestiS
■ aridtmp9ttccnservative?andsiri6st^nduririg4 ;
ithpught|of4the3pepple.v? ' I-'-V* "■■'",-•'./■-' 1
feT^ntie^'hTli^am^ia finu'eii'^n • adherent \
lof iithe'rpeoplel as ? anyiman tupcnlthis ! flopr;?s
jbutvlf am 1 the| adherent [of * different -ipriri-";
!Ciples|asjt6'myjdependence\upbnitbe;peo-'
jplefearid^niy^representativ'eSdutyJ^tb'sthe'
;people-;^'rom*g;thosel7, which ;lI; l I ; have v; heard
jhere J expressed.^ MylownHdeaiiSithatj.we;
i are ;fterestd;think^ourjbest"tfor ; ;the 'people;?
itha t»j\ve ; are i h'ereS tbTdo^whaVj is '*. best i-f or,
I Itheir j?highest f arid fniostf enduringa inter-1
i!este;¥andfsthatKwe:;are --rio-tlihereptolre-;
l'spond.|to',^yeryv4wayef6flcaprJceCthatTmayi
|:swee*pfover;ithem; > %gli|beiieve|thatswelare;
I ) nowhere] f or-Jthe jpurppse f of fputtirig itherh!
|tupphfaspedestal| whichlth£y!do?n<>tfclaim" :
I s for ithemselves.f andl'of * ascrlbingr| tolthem '
[infinite'twisdomlinrtUritheiaffairsfofSlife;^
MfWhy- is 1 it[-that 1 thej'iseti this j Convention 5 ,
[ j govern 1?S byMi. represeritatve^ gSvernfnent^
p\ r hyjis?it»thatiweldpithings>.whichlthey;-i
|dp}notldoSin?popular|assembly.?| : It?i33be-j
I cause Lrepresentatiyes lof :lhe i people^wheh^
ithey.|,come|together4and| deliberate fcalra-]
lly^aiidlcpn^erKattyely^cariibebetterjtruat?
!ed|to}promote,%the!interests|df.Uhelpebplel
|thari'|thetp'epple^-thmselyes.Slf»that»^bel
itr"ue.\4theri^thel people gcahnot;^ ml tlieir^
|originalfcapacity, : ldoleyerything;sthat3isl
iwisest J i and * best 3 f qr'ltheir^welf are^"@s^«
of J^the eJectioiii
: ipt Xthe R judgf s,| tha't^the | peoplelcan -I beat?
i acccniplish tvfthe ?%. preseryatipnfif of
ijTlghtsigan^-K^helr ; ' Hbertygby is'entrustin&l
n'pri-ln 'pri-l
action" of their representatives .in their
chpsen-assemblages-v; (Applause.),; ; ;
i: Mr -- DAVIS i pbtained . : the floor, cdi i" ;
Mr. - -MARSHAXiJL;: iTVill the gentleman
giveaway lor ; a" motibn. that .the commit-.
iteelrlse? r -">~ :..;•'• -"-: . - ■'.. ■ - : -■ "' : '-:
. ;Mr.--DAVIS: Ityieldfor that purpose. ;
;;Mr.aiARSHAL.Li: T I move that-the.com-.
mittee rise.-- ': ; :r -y':;^ ■'■ : -: : --'' .. •■--' ~:-:^.: :
--The -motion was agreed 'to; and theepm
riiittee rose. ■ ' ,; ' > -.. " '" '
i r The ■■ \ President having resumed \~ the
.chair, ■ Mr." Bpaz ; . "repprted that the :Cpm
mittee' of the; -Whole ; had ; made -some
.progress, no -conclusion
upon •" the : matter: 7 ref erred to them. ■ . ;
' • ; LEAA^E OP 'ABSENCE. ;.
Mr. INGRAuVI asked ? and- obtained leave
of for; to-morrow for Mr.-Han-
O-lir! h DUXAWAY : I . move that 'the Con
vention ai/ourn.;: l -'.;= : -■'.'• ""--_- ■
r a'he motion was | agreed to, ; and (at o :40
o'clock P. M.) . the Convention adjourned ;
until 2 to-morrow, ; £ Thursday, December
sth; IDO^TatlOo'clPck 'A.'M. . ,; ':
SHIP - TURNS TURTIiE AXD SIXKS.
All of "the; Crevr oe Twenty-Eight
- ' . ." 3len 'Perisli. ,""_". : -..
I ASTORIA,'; ORB., December '^4.— The
bar tug Tatoosh, which; has' just returned,
to v port,"! reports '..Jk^t the . Britisb.\;"ship
Nelson,"!- Captain Ferriam, turned -turtle
last night, '} arid -went ; to tlie ; bottom, witbl
her, entire! crew. V The Nelson >; left 'As
toria ; November 25th. : Monday night fshe
was • back; at the fiver's . "nipu th, and : : yes^
terday..was repprted to have ; heir,
cargp::;She,had a bad list"tpVsta"rbparcl,
arid cpuld-gp on ;orily none tack."'Tester
day afterrioori; the tug, Tatoosh wentjout;
and picked •up " the - ; Nelson, V passirig-? a
hawser^tq, her.-; .'The tug; started offshore,
with the 'shiiv Rowing- to the gale. . It -was
the -of * Captain BaileyJ of .the
Tatb*oshv; ; tO' r remain witfi; the;; ship during 1
the? night/ but the^ gale: was too' severe
for .^ the "; vessel to' -withstand, 'and L ; she:
broke :. f rofn : the , tug ; 'and .then turned
turtle," sinking Tat once. ; .' In the . darkness.
It-w as J for the -tug to y render,
any - i assistance ■< to - the members of the
crew '\vrho : > were;-npt carried.; down, and
all perished: k The -carried a.; crew
of ;twenty?eight :men. ail ;told.-; She was.
ari ■■ old "' wooden VvesseK :;::: " ; ; ; . ' .. .-.'
{^Cafltain v : George VW.
pilot f "was -to j have ■ been i placed: aboard
the"ship-last?iiight; but^the ; weather^was;
tbb' rbugh ito -permiUit. . ;, , Captain ; \\ ood
ststes" that the Nelson \ went. oyer^etyreeo; :
10Tarid;:lt:o'clbck;-last, night,- .".during the;,
heisht' of the -gale. ; < : -\ ■:-• ■■■• ■ ;.
;-The>Neisori ".carried a cargo ;oC :lumber,
=and .was Unsigned ;to:Cape Town,
Africa, b^;Taylpr^^pung^^vVof|thls
city." ."..,-*. '--,.•■ ;. •,".""',- !■
M'latßlX FOroiAIIXjBOrKCED.
Democratic ;LemleW /Dceirte vXot to
Hx 4SHI^GTON;^D.-AC.V 1 December r 4,^
fSDe-ial )-Senator ' John : :lx.vMcLaurm, of
sS^cirolinK^asiformall^c^d^out
of the : - : Democratic • party, to-day. :i^ -i ne
Siilii|i|gl
cemmittee assignments.
-- ; \r a rnv ! GA 1 ! -December - : 4.— nv.^ .«.
b\nk' V- complicationa withltheißarnes\ille ;
SufactSs Company, which .1s now
dosed;: down! „. • ' *
• N«av r:iinalTre«<y Sent to Senate.
rV^ASHINGTONV&I>^C,t^December^4.- ;
r The " President? sent^toi' the £ Senate^totda^
ithelnew' ; sHay^Pauncefpte^ WtySf or^aiv
:|sthmianfcanaJ^ln?.executiyef session jthe
1 troatv -Iwdsi recctvea.i and jref erred i-ttv. the
I ; Committee on 3 * Relations.^Nojre^
I marks *v*verel madefapropos of Its present
Ration-,,-:, ; ' ! ' ' ■:-:.-V::.v.--:>:-:Sr1:'' ! -::
\¥sß&& 'CMeirraplilf Uriefs.- . : J
kf-Washinstpn^^enatpßlTiUmantSsecuretlj
lthelpassageTof-a];resolution|tlirecUngiSthtvi
I'Secretary^ofltheSTr^aauryisto^repprtlasj
I 'tdUtheS experise'l of Stransf errins^theSsoyj j
ierrimentexhiblt:at BiuYalo to the Charlesi
;tonsJ3xpositionr. '■- ; - .
SiXewjOrleansr— At gastinachtnei that i^was;
libeing^i^paireaf'atathftSYahcey^Gftnratbri
I ! Company.-3§§^4establishraent, , c xplqcled?!
j .^through athe fcarelessriess |of | an^'employee ■
! Urif approaching § it fwlth 1 a'|buThing3raim>J
j.anai^ulesiyMarch^d^forenianlsof^the
*sosserh)usly f ; injured Sthat'ihe-linay;,idie.^ :^
&vKnoxvljl JerftlivTeriri^Tha K^Elizabothton]
;^owxiSC^-mpaiiy,tin;^CarterlcQurity,f;Tenn:fi
{orgaaxize<l|tentyearsjago;s.with"sa3nuiaberj
ipf^'seriatprsf and&conßressineri^asScbfefr
tprojectprs^faas t plac€t> Un ~ the-SKstS33'
repcrted to be*sio,OCO.
.Whitehouse, N.- J.— Nathaniel S. I^.s.
kel,~fpr. '& "number of years past as^al
at Whitehousefor the Central raiirouu.
of New "Jersey, has resigned, and will gii
South. He" has entered the employ oi!
John : F. and "James >N. Pidcock, of. the
l Georgia'; Southern railroad, and will, "un
soon : as possible;": begin the work of ex
.tending^the-Georgia, road from, AlouUriu
to : Albany, Ga. -
Mexico,; City.— The Federal Government
will -tender ; the delegates to the Pan-
American Congress a., magnificent ball on
■the ] las tonight 7 - of 'the year at the Sn-t
tional -Palaces V. ;.-;•> ..'■ >...
v- Mexico ;-•'. City.— President Roosevert'.'j
message . has .been very favorafeJy re
ceived in government and btisiness cir
cles.;, The general comment' is that his <!e
claration^n 1 favor of Cuban independence
; and ;a if ree-: trade policy with the island,
will : greatly ;strengtheri American pres
tige -/all over • I^.tin America.
XVCItEASEIJ \POSTAIi RKCEII'TS
; Report, for tlie. Lust jronth and Hie
.„ XastlTliree -sionthjf Shoiv Cuin.H.
;-*The ."'"receipts : bf the Richmond post,- ;
pfiice frpih v ppstage sales, newspaper ■
ippstage, and box rents for the monta o£
Npvember, ' 1901," ".were ?34,124.10. an In
crease of $2,059.31: or over 9 per cent, over
the' figure for November, 19Ci\ which
was f522,064.59.:-'".f $22,064.59. :-'".' The October receipts were
I $29,270.14, n an J ncrease ©f " 53.094.43. or over
21'- per cent. .ov>~- •■ho?"'/"'" "^ — 1> "" . '"^ :"'
jthicH ;were ? $^1,173.69. The September re« j
ceipts iwere ■ 322,972 37. as against p),SS).t3 1
; in ' September/ ISOO, an increase of ?-.i.»i."\
of over 10: per cent: The receipts for tha >
three months r just ended were S7ij,:3ffi.«. ]
asfagainst $67,079.37 for the correspondini; |
'three "months last year. JTliis is an in- J
: crease of $9,257.24, -'or nearly It per cent. |
The importance pf these increase per- |
ceritages, comes from"; the fact that these jj
post-office receipts are regarded as araosly'
reliable .therriiometer of the business ac
ttivity;;and life "pf the community. Tho |
falling; off ;of November, as conipared :
\with> October." is not regarded as si?oifi- ;
:'c^t;« as -this. is the .usual thing in al'a l '
f the '. offices' all over ; the country.
01 POSITiVELY CURE I
"PIMPLES
7 and all affections of theskinand ;
"restpre to the complexion a healthy, roseate \
i'Kiow.iat your? home. Book and fall «• |
free. t; Call or write John n. n
I Woodbuyy D. 1., 28 vr<nt saj, >«<* Jo^ |
|f its PRINTING you
'3. want, send to
Dispatch
\Mpb Office...
Letter-heads, Note-heads,
miUseads : and Envelopes,
fln^(^^^|fftoßipi/F, : es
mecnted.
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; MaUxyrders receive prorvpc
and careful attention. . \ , '
iBSGHMOND DISPATCH.

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