■/;"\ t Tu&day,rDcceriil)er}lb^i9ol./ !
Tlic Convention:; niet ; at :J lo*.. o'clock/
A- M ; - IT" -
prayer by Hey. J. 8.. Hawtliorrie, 1 DJ V
p. of Richnwrid. " "'. -~ ' ""./
The riIESIDIiNT: The Secretary will?
tA ]\ the roll. t
The Secretary ohllcd; the s roll; arid^ the!
following delegates answered .',to'V their;
jiamss: - . :': ' ; --. •; ""'".
present: Messrs.? Allen, :.Tf; A., Arider^?
M- : H. Barnes; Thomas H^ Barnes^
i^oaz, Bolcn. P.quldin; 13raxton,r:Bris
• ow, Brooke, Brown,; Oamerbn: Clarence"
j. Campbell.-.'; P. W. Campbell, Carter,?
<\>W>. Crismond, Davis.' punaway./ Ear- ■
n*an. Ej>e?, Fairfax/; Fletohcr, ".Garrietti'V
Oilniore. B.T. Gordon. James W. Gor-/
rion. Iv. L.; Gordon, Green. Gregory,"
Gwyn, Hamilton, Hardy, -^ Harrison;'
jlattori. Hooker. Hunton; irigrani,:
Claprgett B. Jones, G. W. /Jones, Keef
r C n Kendall. Lawson. Lincoln. Lind
<=ay. l^ovell. Marshall; ' f Mcllwaine,/
Meredith; Miller,/ R;/ Walton Moored
Mundy.- O*Fiah_erty; Orr, Parks.' PeUit, I
Phillips, Pollard. Portlock. Qu'arles,!
Kiohmorid, Rives, 25ob~e.ri.son, Smith; 1
c:;ebbins, Stuart, . Summers, Tarry,
Thorn. Thornton;--; Turn bull; ;' ; .Vincent;?
WaddiU, Walker, Walter./ Wescotr,:i
"Willis, Wise. Withers, ■\Voodhouse, f
yancey,. the President— $2. : *
The PRESIDENT: It appears from]
♦he call v- of-" the roll that eighty? two! i
members are in attendance— n.ore than'J
n quorum: The Secretary will road, the/i
journal cf yesterday's proceedings. S
The Journal of yesterday's, proceed- .-]
incs was read and "approved:
LEAVE OF ABSENCE. j
Mr. TURXBULL asked; dr.d obtained !
indefinite leave of absence, on account j
of sickness, for Mr. Moncure. i
AMENDiEENT OF THE RULES.
The PRESIDENT: The Secretary, j
■Rill r-?r.a the resolution submitted by \
ihe s?nt] en jan , front Lancaster;. (Mr. '
Punaway). proposing 1 to-limit speeches I
io thirty minutes, and the proposed
jisw rule offered by the g-entleman from
l^ockbridse <ilr. "\V. A. Anderson).
The Secretary read as follows:
•Resolved. That? until- otherwise or- j
cored, speeches both In the Conven-~l
lion and in the Committee of the Whole.
snail be limited to thirty minutes."
"37 (a). The pending:: question or the
previous question may be" ordered: in;
the Committee of the. Whole, in the
same manner and with ■ like effect as
when the Convention"is sitting in ordi- ?
aary session." ,; - . .
' CALL OF COMMITTEES.
The PRESIDENT: : The Secretary
-niil call the list of standing commit-,
i«cs for reports.
The Secretary cajled the list. . <■.
THE JUDICIARY. DEPARTMENT.
Mr. HUNTON: I move: that the Con-;
vemion resolve itself; into a. Committee:
of the Whole; for the purpose of fur
iher considering the report .of /the
Committee on the Judiciary: _.
The motion was agreed to, "and the
Convention resolved itself, into Com-*
mlttee of the Whole, Mr. Boaz ; in the
The CHAIRMAX: The pending ques
tion is on the resolution or tl-e gentle
man from Lancaster (Mr. Dunaway) ';[
r.r.d the gentleman from Amherst (Mr:
0. J. Campbell) had the floor yesterday
evening when the committee rose.
:»Ir. C. J. -CAMPBELL:- I a:« cs^r;.
the pending resolution be read.-
The Secretary read the resolution*
submitted by. Mr. Dunaway as follows:;
"Resolved,*. That the Committee of the
Wholes request the Convention to re-}
commit section- S. of the report of the
Committee on the judiciary to that;
committee with instructions to rear
range the judicial circuits: so that- there
F.hall not be more than four counties
Jn any one circuit." .j
"Mr .^"C." ~J.~ CAMPBELL: "Sir. Gfiaif-; j
man" and gentlemen ■ of/ the committee,;'
<n resuming the remarks which. I ba-
gan : yesterday "on: the subject urider
consideration, I desire, for _ fear .some
one may think otherwise,- to go on .
record a~s expressing my high personal
as v.-ell as professional regard -for the^
members: of the Committee on the
Judiciary. With many "of *iie mem-;
bers, from the chairman down, I have:
had the honor and pleasure' of serving
in the Legislature of Virginia, for the'
past ten years, off and on.; Some of
these gentlemen ' have Jbeen my long
personal friends outside of legislative
circles/ Unlike the gentleman from
Prince Edward (Mr. Mcllwalne), how
over, who I believe said here last
Thursday or Friday that. he. was^wili
:r:g^ to accept. the. report of the conimit
tee, as it is composed of men. of ability:;
;':;-. -5 experience who have labored upon ;
tVe report for. the past -five months, I ]
hvxe ray own opinion upon every sub- |
;c-2t that comes up- before /this Con- !
vent'on. When I differ v.-ith; any gen- ■
:leman or .with anj- committee. I pro- !
r.:?-2 to express, my opinion upon thej
?;;biect. under consideration, .and to !
jrjv« my reasons for the position-. I \
7 dr-sire to say that if the theory of 1
.:■*» gentleman, as I infer from his re- j
;r. • s last week, is true v,-e. can wind I
u'-- i.his little ball in about ten days'.-/ All I
; : ;? members of tliis committee would j
r.r.ve to do/would .be to swallow what I
(he .various committees: report, refer, 1
;hr;«v-^ports to the final: Committee on
Revi ■<• 0r.,: nnd in about /ten; days .we |
'ou':" idiourn the Convention. From
oho'f a --dpoint. that might be a. bless- j
: ng to the taxpayers of this •, State: but j
ti ihe long run I do not believe it would j
oav them. -' " -" .' . |
While I favor the double. court sys- 1
:cm, I wish to say that if we are to I
nave a single court system, or only one ,
c-ourt below the Court of Appeals, ex-.-j
.-ripive of the magistrate's court, : : it : j
iK-hooves the members of this Conven- *
t ion to make : that - system an efficient; I
inc. The gentleman from Roan oke ]
.'Mr. Robertson) said week before last ;
:hat he did not believe the single court ;
-v«tem would <io the business of this j
.State- and I agree with: him. I do -not.;
believe it. .either, as- the system is pro-; j
posed to be constituted. \ -. ■ .. / •■ |
»Tf we are to have the inevitable (and j
I hop" it is 1 not yet the' inevitable), j
then I say it behooves us, as members |
of this" ' committee and members; .of |
ihis Convention, to make, the proposed' j
system an efficient one, by' putting, as ]
contemplated- by the resolution of |
the gentleman / from-. Lancaster (Mr.
Dunaway), only so many counties in a j
district as to enable the" Judge of- that. |
district to attend to its legal, business
efficiently and speedily. • , ;> :
How can that be done? -By. adopting,
tiie resolution of the; gentleman /from
Lancaster; ~by recommitting; this re
port with instructions to; the cqmmit
tr-r- to redistrict : this State,-; and put in
fiach district' only -so } many counties
that in everjv county, where it Is neces
mry or where itirnay be^ desired there:
mar be a ; monthly, court. /That: is the;
way to make' this: system /an'.efncient:
one; and you cannot do it by. having bi
monthly'courts.; ....'- . : • :
A very distinguished: gentleman
in front of me last .week;/ and-;\vhsle:
somebody over : here was;' discussing,
this question of a double or; single; sys-/
tern' of courts, he said: 'j'Why.Uhat'has,
been- settled by a ; vote; of iV>
n!ne." I believe that : vote- tooK place;
on Saturday whenVrasflsr well-known;;
there 5s UKually/ hardly/ aiquorumrlnr
the house, /because- many- of :us;havej.to,
ro home' on that day;; tovreturn^Sunr:
•lay or Mondayli^AndUyet-it-jlsisaid,
that that question!/ was S settled;, byc,^
vote of. forty-one to; nine, when; we; had:
ninety-nine ;! There ;;was| Just;
«quorum : present. - ~ -'7^
I say the Kinglesy Bternof- cowts. has;
not been > established^at least, / not . : toy,
that vote: ; It/ may;;be|settled^pr : ;estabr.v
Ilshed by -theißenUment2fqf*th s? hou^e,f
bthll am rather/ JhcHned'toibeUeve, that.
E»ich : seems; tb>;lje?thel:case. ; -;:Butl:>say
that a vote of forty-onelto)«ine;out of
h membership ■/of/Zinlnety-rilne/qr./a:
hundrefl does- °M§|^^||g^«
Uion; and-.when we Re r.in;tho Conveh
tiom; proper,, • and; youilsentlcmen^have
£>« go •; on v record.^ we? will? see -whether
it .-has been, ■■ settled or not. ThanksHo
a tjieAimeis coming
every -monibor of tthis Conventions s Convention
»^w a^ G ' l ? ;R0 °^reeord»;/ln /Commit
}S* n °J. 3^ Whole" it cannot ; be done: :
i^^ b o^saysthis questiomhas been
settled: £ I%say - agate - that' i t| has Snot
oeen, settled. ■. by rea son • oiy. th> %actiohr6f
thisvcpmmittee and ithis" Convention:.
i Jiow^often/ has/ the; Convention: Tre^
How' 'often vhas^this ;
.cq mmi t ted ; reversed ; i t selt ? ./; How:? of tenl
; ]ias,.the ; .committee "cbine 1 in hare^ hold-?
Jns i one,opini6ii,= and-afterwards entire^
its:mind?. Ithas done^irin^
the past.;and- 1 hopeit ingoing- to db.it
•^Tv, n> : specially; on /this^ matter. //^
-Vk^,V - , are l lh c objects : to /be attained'
through having ; a single : system of courts?
l here : are ! only two objects. " One is ■ to"at
!i "I \°, con ? my: r showed ■!■■ you
mat the single court' system 'docs notfat-"
■tam ; that end: Asl'showedyou. yesterday^
ifte single court system; is ultimatelyigo
lng/to --be., more expensive to the .^tax
payers : of : the. State than the! double court
system, by. reason ; of the;:- provision .of a
special-court of appeals.: and- by.; reason :"ol
the elimination of the present /circuit*
court, which islands midway between!: the
county court and-; the Supreme- Court^of
Appeals. ;As I said yesterday. : those ; of
:us;.\rho are lawyers andHhose of usiwho
- have ha d the honor to -be =on the * bench
know, that it will beiabsolutely^necessary.
to '}9 v .e a special ; court i of appeals.?* No
practicing lawyer,; no- public sentiment,'.; is
going to submit tobusinesslbeing clogged
up in.the Court; of Appeals for five- ori ten
years without . a speedy^ termination of it:
Public sentiment and"the bar'of-.this State
will, demand; that we shall have i"a special
court of." appeals. .When that'- State of
affairs, arises it" will 'cost $20.000, : : whereas
it is only claimed that.the adoption olthe
. report will ; save ?l-i,OOQ. /Oh top 'of :. that, iif
. you'have : only .bl-mbhtbly courts,-as con
templated'by, the report of; the committee/
where; are: your "criminal .:;expenses?|S?S^6
In my county there; were parties
indiicted: for felonies at the last term lof
court. My court was held on. Monday."
Two of the men were captured on Ithe
preceding Saturday, arid : the other was
captured on Friday. ..They had ". not "em
ployed" counsel when , the lindictments were
'. broug-ht in," •'. a hd. . of .; course,"^ they /were • en
titled -to^a continuance. m Suppose; you ;had
bi-monthly courts: what^ would- be:the re
sult?. Those poor accuse® parties,: negroes
and whites, would _ have to lie-inSmy
' county jail* two: months: "■-'and"? perchance
at.the end of thattime. if one.of the Com
monwealth's Attorney's witnesses I happen
ed to be but of the jurisdiction .they- would
have ; to ;; lie, in \ jail : four \ months. ;That; is
guaranteeing every- man -a -speedy trial
with : a vengeance: is'.; it;i not?/ " • ; .
; : I say, sir, /that the adoption of this ;plah
will be an injustice > to i^the" accused.'.vlt
"will be -. an/ injustice to .' this *;" Common
wealth.' ; It will - pile : up great expense -by
reason of the delay .which >willy result un
der a constitutional .provision. -and- later,
■ perchance, under ; an :-act ■;■ of tbe^Legisla
ture, from not giving my: county a", month
.ly court:', to .which , it is. entitled.-. .- ■. ' . :;:
I ■■_: I want. to say right here that my county.
i wants ' a ' : monthly court.- It is my; judg
ment that it is • entitled to it. -I desire to
-say for; the information: of this commit
tee that I have never had a chance to go
before the" Judiciary "Committee. This: is
the first time I have" been ;heard onHhis;
subject. The February 'and "August terms
of my. court are .the .regular 'grand jury.
.terms. - I do not: know" anything," except
in a general -way. --about" other .counties
-of this-State: but I know, something about
my; county. My court is;held.on .the third
Monday i:n each, month: In. each of the
: ten. months r. from last; February .; to the
present, save one. I have; had a special
grand jury. <■• Yet at the October -term of
court there v.-as only one case continued to
ItheiZSTovember term. The criminal docket
was cleared 'up. ' ' . ;•/■'-■' ' .-. .-■"
• "Why is that?. Because.. as g-entlemen are
• aware who know the geography of my.
section/ we have the.little town of "Madi
son, which is-virtually. a'suburb of . the
city of Lyndiburg. right across the free
bridge. :When arobber or a' drunken fel
low-.cannot; stay in L/ynchburg, lie, is
over" there in Amhersfc county. >He
• gbes over 'a ! free bridge; it : does not: cost
him anything to walk over into Amherst;
■and he «rets beyond the'i limits -of the; city,
of Lynchburg.-.That isvwhy.we : have so
mucli criminal' business in-* my- county:,
And I tell you that while -we have a new
and adequate jail there,' with ; strong bars .
to keep prisoners in, the jail, .if we have
only bi-monthly courts in my; county, the
jail* r will be filled., and this Commonwealth
.will be put to a greats expense. >;We have"
as it is to try cases very speedily, in order
•toi keep the* jail" thinned^out.;. ..... i
I want -to say another thing about my
county. Judge Grimsley,/ no ago
than 'the last term of the circuit, court,
told me thatithere were ; moresuits in. his
court in Amherst cbuntythan' in. any other,
county infhis district: and r believe hehas
about eleven or twelve counties: in his
district, extending from Goochland away
over.; to Culpeper.- ;:/'.; r-':' r ' . n .
Xow, I have given you. my. statement as
to the criminal practice-in Amherst, and
I «ive you . Judge Grimsley's statement: as
to the civiU practice in : Amherst, ;It is_ ab-,
solutely | necessary.: that we ; should-^haye
monthly courts in that county;;and if this
Convention will not give; them to , us we
are going to the next Legislature . try,
to ; get them: , and- Ie believe ;we . shall set
them. "And iust so it is going to be with
other counties in the State. : , . ,
Now there goes your economj-, which
"is the'first object. '/What .is the second
obiect" 1 It has been stated -" here that we
will t?et better, judges. : I hope I showed
yesterday that we would; not: get better
judges/In a large number of cases we
v.-ill" tret the same judges. .. -,/ /:/;/.■
Somebody told me this morning that it
was understood yesterday , by one .or two
of 'the members .that" I; reflected on my:
friends Judge Hancock, ann^JudgejHarri
son I 'disclaim any such; intention.: On^tlie
cnntraVv, inhoueht I was -complimenting,
them when I said' I hoped- they, would-be
made circuit judges. I; stated /yesterday,
that I" voted for them 'with great pleasure.
'I helped to make" Judge ; Harnson: avjudge.
He v.-as ; in the Senate,, and -. I i was in .the
House,, and I-: voted: for him/ with, great
pleasu'-e. I say./furthermore.if I werean
the -Legislature. I would vote;to keep him
there until he dies. / That; is not reflecting
or. Judge. Tom Harrison, is t? I. am glad
to-hearfrom:thepeople:of his. section that
-he is; making an- acceptable judge. : ;. ■■-■..;
I vof>d for Judge Hancock: for :re-elecr
tion and if I am in the Legislature -again?
and'Sy-be^by and by,,if you^e^ne;
off the' bench Cvou- cannot tell what-.wiu
happen ur>^ in Amherst politics, ;> you
iknow);;i>hopersbal^have^^easure f Of
: voting for him ■ again. L will /do ;'tnf^l
am h?re. That: i s not .reflecting;on= ; either,
'one of Vra But I desire, to. say.;. in: the ;
fnterests o™ the taxpayers :• of i- this : State,,
that I am not going; on : record, as,voting :
"'to nay those gentlemen. S2.soo when -you,
c m git them I now -for. $1,600. If; you;; call
;Sat?r^ection;it:is^Ven^ionV;or,any^
thing else you wish; tocalL it. ,;.. /■ ;; /
"-I have been in.pblitics for ten years, and :
T have tried toadhere; Xo .the; interests, of;
Il^^ebpTe of county and^of^theiState:;
I - naY be that that: is . the .reason^whjvl
"am in" politics now : and' if adhering, to -the
£tereste 'of thel tax-payers ;. of ; my^ county
aalrofnhe State? keeps: me.in/pohties^l
"to continue to ; be in ; politics^//
T contend that : there, is .no; demand or.
mdi nd no sense in giving a judge ?2,sOoi.when ,
you cm^StThin^f6r ; ?l,Coo:v;lf;he^was,my s
bnA.her^ ; I would^say:: vYoung man;, yoir
- w setting ?i;600.. ; You keep;on getting.it."
or^nie ; people:inrthis/State:uGcn 7:
: ttmen -et< up one! minute Jand'singjsqngs;
i It si?sa : : t ssss^as
determine inithelfutureiwhether,
■ v side^ Isv rights or v wheitherl your* side ; is.
: K^amS ta: enter, my,mo3t=earn^
- i • this 'f Convention twas^ called :
f lr the"purpose^ bfifgetting ( closer4to£ the ■
name of.highlheavenl.Take.
S renort-on^EducatJon^take:your,quads
irSal-sessJonsi report^takeKyour^ judl :=
Js electediby, proxy^orjbyjanlindirect
>Siti& THradi of : gettlng.closer I and%doscr.
[Jo^eSo-plSypu^re f"rtherj^
L i4ntk)lvin the beginning, ; unt!l4Kwas;made'
' I-said:^^A?-lotiofiPOllticialis
llSTherS? nothing In It If dem^pro^
J nosoAo^be' asparty^to?lt^Kagreed^that
rh^Constitutlon?oughtltotbe^ainendedsinJ
«L«m^?sroects" I'thoughtJUie suffrag^and
be;tink.red
. - " ' . ■■. .. ■ . . I_. . .. <..a .;. v. .v, . •%.> . ..-"■' •i'^'.'t' - ■ ' --. "»". — •.<-'." r -
with < on account of the -Black Bolt. The
; suiTrago 5 auestionlis : thot:*-BO ?! Jmportarit^inl
|ray ; s cotih ty *|s\y"e|have^ sikij or S Seven fhiih-;
idrcclajworkingtlDemocra.fics'rnajoi'ity^s.andi
|thatlis"all I want;: I told; themtitiwasVallf
jbpshjlandStheSlongcrlth'isVCbnventlohire^i
dcmon^
j stratedn^The Jsickestf sct^you'l ever^ sawsit^
i y o tir j life *arel the; people.'in iTriy.iCOunty i i'vvH||3t
! favored athei Constitutional" Conventions -a.%
an ;>;! origlnaltoproppsitiori^iEvery^itimeS^j
go.iupithere^a'lotTofUhemi'tap^rrteronithel
ibackfand'sayrj^Campbell^yourwere right;"*;
tlJamSgplhgßupftnextllvtpnday^and^l -\ex-;J
; pect;abouttflve vrf'll "- cbmeWp i and*
tellirrie jl^am^right^-vc-hetf/^theyJreadSmyA
j-hurried|remarks:on£th'ife?subject,fand?.they\*'
vwil 13 probably v ; read ■ >. them;' 1 because &I 'dwillVj
■ pri ntn t them in th e New -'Era ;| sos thatatheyi.
|willgaliZ;have : a^ chance -Uq^i read them. I
(Ejiughter.)r ; : Somebody^ saiaithefAriiherst:
•Ne\v,?Era. is ;.the ;i Amherst jßible.^Welirjl
;say.^itSis;the. ; best; T paper r.ms ? Amherst,":ibe-j
cause;;it;isi.the s only.i paper; published;* there)
/(laughter) ;;i and Honi. an}: occasion^ of ~J this ;j
■kind.yliha ve.lt* sent! to :everyiyoter; (If itheyj.j
pay ! for;it.trsehdHtst6Uhem|free;>i;
r:T Mr.-" Chairman, jlr; desire ijtoKreDeat;sthatf
(this* Convention? is {getting; more :and: more .•;
r unp6pular;'everyi day;; and3lf;you; continue*
;PuttJng^'in*;such ! iprovisions; A m -theiConstirj
Ltutlonjas; th,isvjudiciaryj r - report -and^the::
: schools report and reports 1 b£ithat ; kind, JJ smy.(-'predJction:;i5 my.(
'predJction:;is L that' it rwill.'be' J i'Goodby. new,
? Constitution ;!'i and -,it;- ought'f.to :>be ;,: so.'
> 'Now, Mr.VChairman.vT have* shown- that;
;there is no I economy Vini this
change;*: ?l ; have; shown that itvwill -not give J
you'better; judges,' 'because; you-/williget'i
the same -. What: is^ there ilef tf.ini;
■'adyocacy-'-of Mt?.:>Nothlng^>:^lt:•.tfalls,■■:•«an'd-■
■■shbuld;fall;:■imd\'"if;you;melnbe^s ? ,■will*la■y.;;
r aside';! your.;: prejudices : and,;.,preconceived
:id eas, : you '■';- 'will .let ; it - fall*? and r fall f hardly
, forever, i eternal ly, ;; so < f a,r as : this Conven-.'
\ A :
: Mr. ' Chairman,', I : object to this ? report.]
iWhy ? 'Let :us ; leavejout the : question -of ■a'
•double system; of hcourts;now. ? and : r discuss;
j,the;singleicourt*systemi :; T- object" to fit' in
the:. first; place,.^because; this treport^dis
i, criminates :; against \ counties 1- in .favor Vof :
cities.rin- my vtenV years' experience .;in
Legislative bodies I: have ' neven: knowing
ly cast a- vote lyetin^ favor of one/class s of
people againstanother.Vlfl; did itM did : if
igriorantly; Al-have. 'iieverjyet;;.- like ; some
. people '-• in : this o State, '::! made 'war ... on" the
city .of .-Richmond. I love /Richmond. >■ It;
-is .my." capitol. This . ,is, I=• believe, • the .
fourth pleasant: 1 .-winter; that' I i have . spent
inithecityof Richmond: :Mlove..its peoples
I low Norfolk.,- 1 love all the. great-thriv-i
ing ■: cities ' ' of ■" this ■ Common.wealth.v As .;I
saidM have. never/cast a^.voteyet against*
a city or discriminated ■-. in favor, of a coun
ty.- against a» city,'- : and ' l : am no t ■ going to
cast aj vote, discriminating in favor of; a
i city.'against: a 1a I ; county. ■-.;?•' • : .--. -. ■'■'■;! . ,■
' Take the little one-horse ; town of Buena;
./Vista, across,: the -Blue ;Ridge/ : from .my;
, r c6unty7: We will say that • i € ; has : five thou
sand. population. 'Some one>said that-at
lihasi-only ! three; thousand, adto not know
any thing : about that. { You . are% going^^to
give s them - a ; corporation, court. .;=w Ny
should • you ~ give the : city ; of ; Buena Vista,,
•with, -say, nve:thbusand;lnhabitants, ; court
facilities; that Jyou " do not ■; give ; my. county
■with' eighteen thousand inhabitants? ■; ,
; Mr-: QUARLESiJIt has only about two
thousand inhabitants. ':: : - ■-' .; ' -•
Mrl- C. J. CAMPBELL: I do not know,
whether "it has; that- number .They.
are still leaving there,. some one said. _
■v Mr. QUARLES: It is- not a city under
the present . in .population,
s,ooo'being required. . ;!V . • .-?.. - •: - : ,; 'f •'■■
* Mr. ■ C.'.-J. CAMPBELL: I. simply, refer to
it:"I ; -want-to<see -it ; bigger than Rich
mond "some of these days. - I have no de
sire 5 to . reflect upon *■ it. V•> •'• "J ... ,-. i
Take -the ' city . of . ,Charlottes\alle. ■■- One
of the honored members of the/ Convention
from Albemarle cquntyiyesterday,. got ] up.
here and; said ;they do not want a corpora
tion: court -there; and yet - this ; committee
are going to i; ram it -• down their^ throats
-whether they, want it or .not. I : do not
propose 'to -inject- myself _ into any .con-,
troversy as to these 'cities. -If- it is de
monstrated ..to me >that .they - need -the
courts. I want them ; :to; have .them. rl do
not^ care,' 'especially: if :.they« r are: going to
pay for them: but I. do nQt. see. .why you
should" give those little'.one-horsev cities; a'
court system ; that Ave-;do.T;not ;get in my, ;
county;*; Ivrepresentftupon^tlnsfloor^ one :
of /the grandest: counties in;, the State. --jlt :
has a thriving, population; and is. a county,
that is rioted for its-Alberaarle;Pippins,- its
mir me- to interrupt ok a; moment .' .-,-■
Mr C. J:- CAMPBELL:'. Certainly. .
Mr -QUARLES: I-'protest- against your.
sneaking of my city i as a'bne-horse . city.
VMrT^ HJ- \ CAMPBELL : ; Well, ; a ; two-
h Mr? -QUARLES: It is. entitled to- a cir-.
3l CSIC S l CAMPBELL:^ wiU take/it
back', sir, an-d: call it: axlour-horse.city.^
lir QUARLES: It is. entitled to acircuit
courts instead^ of : : ar,. : qprp6ration.r- court,
belongs to::the;sTOßller;.places: ;.Un- ;
der : the present Constitutlonimy. . city is in
the'lfirst class- and :l- do:,not .want it re-;
■duced;.to: ; the'" second" class by this: ; ordi- ;
"l£r?C: -J. CAMPBELL:: I: will itake that
back. I- am > glad ; you galled .attenton w to i
it: - I will call if- a six-horse city, -if Sit v, lll,
nlVise mv friend. When. I refer -to these.
ctTes-aT'one-horse, cities/; l:do- not mean^
to^reflect upon 'them./. 1. mean. that, they
are sS as ,• compared_ with^ th* .; larger
Mr. Chairman, take -the /city;, of
Richmond; and I am bound ;to {refer: per
sonally i so to :speak,v;tb^these .;cities,|inj
o?dS to illustrate .: the/- point , /L make
Richmond: city : has;a population of ; about
ei-hty: thousand. . Now, ;yori give Rich-.
crimination in" favor of a city against the
"Mr^ET^IT-ThW fiVe bounties Vln": our^
district have'about the/ same;population.x
Mr C .Yes,- the five coun-;
ties Albemarle,. Nelson. Amherst;.Fluvari
na 'and. Godchlandin.the. aggregate,; have,
ias > large \ as Richmond l^ft
are one P 6or little one-horse ., judge,
;^ e geSSS r^appeal/to y^sense
offairriess-^Are; you- gomg r ;to. support
any,- such;absurd.prqpositioir ; as. that? ?1
an^bound,to.deaUunrectly.iand,call : nan^,
in order to: show mean., J believe
in Tcallirig : a'i spade a' spade, ; and •■.; if -that .
s" ade^ hurts vou;^ it will have to ; hurt ; you.v
If^heUsyouV: ; it<will have sto^help^ you;:
Whv/sKd yougiveißiv ; hmond4City,^at
the expense of 'this • great : Commonwealth,;
fsurlcEurts,Vand Igive: the :eighth,circmt;;
only one court? > I do/ not ; propose ; to , swal-
apill asithatevennfatis^ugar^
coated. ■--"■ You ,. gentlemen ;• can,, do. . at, v by,
your^ votes. :■. but/I ■■.deslre;itp: 5 80- : on';record
here ; as : showing/; the § great;, injustice ?| of
it^^anda do not-believe.thatiany^body.of .
vlrgini^gentlemen^ like ; those^ojcom-i
nose 'this "Jarefun just % and j.un- -
?Sr' ; "tl cannot/ be -argued^ that
thoiisandicity /people . deserve imqre ' courts .
than^ eighty. -thousand! country, people., : .
« Now= takekhat.pill anddigesrStras.you;
please "^Sugar-coat Ut^. if !you;.wantjto;
bu^it?is-the:same^oldpilUafter;all.^-Rep-,;
re^enting/a: rural :and ; a7countryAdistrict,:
I^do^notvpropose' to ;.swallowsitv without:
entering, my; most earnest protest against
'H":'sav it^islunjust. ' ;: Wny,>gobd?graci6us;
aiiv^Lbok: at : the city ./of/ ; Bristoi;;up>
here ! r A great / crowd^of^ gentlemen^ came?
down ! hereZ-protestingfaga nst^tftc,;aboli-,
i^n of = theirs corporation^ court. ; v ft They^
went^before r the c committee.^as ; one jof £the ;
gentlemen^toldsme; v and^the«committeej
said- gentlemen, I , w.e/areKgoingito;
put" "Bristol ;in I- al';a 1 '; circuit^withSWashing-.i
ton^and J someJ other ; county} around ; there,-;
and:/we^areSgoingStoHgive^you^mojithly|
Sts; r WillUhatsuit/you? v^Theyvfsaid:!
"OK'syes; we-did:notvknpwithat. ;:lf : you:
are4oing?to"give.;usc ; that,^ ; thatiis^all^we|
waiit-" v >and ; theyAtbok-::their^hats*and/
weht^ckihome^Andjyet^thejCommitteei
propbsestto-giveitheitown.bfißnstql-a.cir^
ouiticourt^andsfgivesibnly;.;one ; ?courtSfbrj
all ' the > five in^the.^islitlr district.^
How ? dof gentlemen iof i-the^committee :, re- ?
conciie i tthat3positioh?tiAsi!was?said;^herei
bvf'one^geritlemanSyesterday^youyare<i
rammingidownithelthroatsjbfcithe^cityAO^
Charlottesville|a ! ?court^tliat i tlK2y.-doKnot|
•want/ Wi Yoii^ are^ giving utp^certain;i cities,"
raoreitnanltheyiwantfandHojcertoinvcitiesi
more ithan/ they ; are,:entitifedtto/vand^yet:
we 5 poor $ fellows i?of ?4ttte ,* cannot j
getfanythinglthatrweswan^or/thatiwejarel
entitled?to^haved;fMy i lfriena.-JudgeiPort^
lock,^ is ; actually^ nervous i^abtou t j his | counj^
tv - : a "great jbig4count>%r downßthere.v^Sssfcl
-■The 4 CHAIRMAN: £The?;Cl?.alr/desires I to;
directlthe;attention^fjm4^tlemanfrom/
Amherst.to.rule 4:
3 t'No t member,t.while '. addresslngi the iCon-;
veh lion, -shall call, another, member by
natni'-" ' " ''••'' ■ •* ' "
n Mr.l C.f J.tCAaiPBELcIi.: if or^thej
sugsestiori.^pltiiiss a. ; cuat-OBi J v/ei have ;all :;
-6 tten^ into 1 here, 1 * and f^tanjvmucU ?obl iged'
toJy'ouh^libelievejtheiiChairmanlhassac^
tuallyicommittedithatSferrbr^onyseveralj
occasions^? (Laughter,) praturallyvl; infthej
heat? of -fdebatfe^we a'get^pffyitllit^le ? on% ai
tangentiifllwHl|tryinotUO:do/sp:anyiinore/s
mi|Vwin|say3the|gentleman^fromfNorfolkj
eounty^thenSisiyery|eageriand|solicitous!
about^hJS' county. It HaalaipopulationfofJ
about oU,OOO, I think, anu in the next tv/o
s&tsg:r> ;_, : - ■
= yc-ii-s there will' be ;7G,000,? n0 = doubt,'-: j«dg^
ilng^the?futur6SbyJsthespastSSHJsSpe6plei
* want |af[district ; S courts andstheyjcannoti
jgettitlbecauseSthisfgreatfcpnimittee^deem,*
HtiunnecessaryUnltheirljudgriientiiandiwill:
.nbtiglveSitstpithem.l-sLdesireitojsayjthat|
: "Iv am sg6ing4to|vote£with^the&gentle.man|
iSridf giye>him g-what^hel is ; erititled^to.^-I]
|Hnowl soriiethirig 3 abbut^ thejreoriditions Un:
Norfolk t City. ; ;/rhe^same*cdnditlons exist;
?:n'=» Norfolk 3 County|4that¥existsiingmy^
: county: "S,The";'dru nken)' rabble "i from ¥Ppvls-j
imbuthw and: Norfolk, &wheng;they.gcannots
J stand-' the f orcel; of * thelpolicejtherer&arei
idUmpedKover^intbJNorfplkiCounty.'i^The;:
'cbnditiorilisgthejrsameVasfiriimyicounty,*!
;wheire/?.wheristheyjcannot;Stand?the''*pplice_'
f orce V; of # L"yrichburg,f Jthey. s drop goyerE in 1
'Am h erst, 1 ?: across 5 the| free S bridge^ 1 1 say.^
Norfolk -i Courity^is^entitled i? to; bei a'ldis- i
trict'Sitself,''; and swhen»} the, 7 ; time fjcomes.^lj
'am^goingitbivoteitogiveJthatUb.the'gen-tJ
;tleman^frbm: ; NorfolkjCounty,.':because^hej
is 'entitled to it. .
QNow,fMr; CHairmari, Uhat ;isiorie|ob^
jection^l;;have;ito^thfs^report^lt;fdis^;
crimiriates:;inrfa.vqr>"bf Jbrie br|
o^^cityQagainst;;a'; ; county^;;qr.'ivu^eT
versa. " P
;^riext v objectiori 1-. to^ this "■', report Jls \
that -"'it V- fixes ftthe .•• miriiriium£ salary-;- of \
judges ;v; v at";: %, 500^;;; It ; is :tq ?s the %
taxpayers fof; this I State", to \ give 'a :\ man 5
judges TatVs2,soo^ It .is;unjust:%t6;.':the : ;
now, ;arid..haslbeen" doing It. ; IjdbVnot:
propose^tqir-ybtet'for:? any-!: such j; absurd 5
propbsitibn.-:. Il'db.not propose; to": take;
the^money: bfv::ther:taxpayers; v of^the>
State : and \ throw ; it j away In \that I man- i
ner: «;-! -; know^wliat^ a
provision ; means, -especially .. when ? you?
have ■ • "'• quadrennial; '■ sessions.'. : : -l'. A-j 7 - kirid 7 ;
Providence. •■:^^alone knows jwhen ! it will;
ever be \ amended, !/if ..• ;the^provision; : is ;
placed iri. the Constitution; .it 1 niay^be";
never; (and; I do-not: propose; to^go={ on:
record as authorizing ;;the .^expenditure!
in ; every : circuit;' of "nine hundred Jdql-f
larsi of • the ; people's . hard '■'";_ rrioriey^arid^
;taxes;:: by 'throwirig s it ' away; arid'; giving ;
it -to; some; individual. '{That : is my next ;
objectiori. to s this >comrriittee's: report. J; ■
AS third "objection- c to ";it;:^and 1 this]
constitutes;: brier of the most 'objection^
able" f eatures'of ~ tliis report, is ; ;the ;ap- ;
pointment' ; of:? magistrates- by ; the^ cir- ;
cuit- judges.V-'As^my.- friend^ .'froniVCraig'j
(MrJ : .Marshall) ::■•■■ saidV^yeste'rdayii'QtheT
people ; elect" the Legislature"/ the : Legis-;.;
Mature t' elects/, the 'judges/ the > judges.
: appoint .the '■ riiagistrates; ; and » if a rcer-..:r cer-.. :
tairi-^ judge . should : -happen ■ to : make 'a]
mistake; great conscience alive ! ■ . >what
sbr t ' of a - magistrate would ; you i have?;
I want to . tell: you my experience I sey-"
eral years ago . In a certai n county,
in -this v-. State -they>. had one : of " these;
one-horse - magistrate who was looking;
after his: little~fee of fifty ;centsf;Cbn-I
trary ■''-. to law, -contrary] to_ evidence," ; and
contrary l to cprrimori decency^ and;. right,*;
he f actually : gave ' judgment j against < thej
.wrong; nian-"forithe»purpose; of getting-,
his: fee of -fifty-v cents ;and:, costs:-. "That;
thing went forth, what -was; the
result? It "happeried. to Ibc: Deceriiber.:
and- the next spring they ;had van elec
tion; ' .What became of that -man ?><He
was buried in political oblivion arid al-i
ways "willi be; that thing "alone "killed;
him . . If that sort of a- fellow is ap
pqinted by the eireu it : judge, how. are
the people going to reach him? " ' . .
• ; I want; to f tell^: you another lthirig.;
;Judges : are brily/ individuals; ,Some ; peo-^
pie have a sort of an {idea that: a judge
is away up" .yonder -" above jScbmmon,
ordinary folks. ■ I have never
so;>:I: believe •-that': the ; more' my peo
ple .elevate me the; closerfl try to get
to them; . :Just so it is tvith ar judge;.
■I riever had any : 'use for judges:, who
cannot "be approached, by the average
ordinary citizen r^l; believeMni a, pub-"
lie L official-being one of; the people/being
of the people; and I for; the people,- arid
being % close .to >.them; :^.Because - 1 ; airi
a judge is. no; reason wh>\l ani anyVbet"-;
ter .' than ,the - av^rage^cltizeri . ■ ; : IS am a
'public servant, .'now, Tarid I "teir you . *
judge 'is no'bette'r than anybody {else.;;..
:.I. desire to say .that tliis -'.feature;' of
tne'feport^-illgive.room for: the great-;
est log-rolling- that you" ever ; heard of.:
.will log-roll .as ; well -) as .other
folks: -I -have riever "seen one yet who,
would not log-roll in ian indirect way . : '
Imean that he -will do it properly, you
understand-; ■> How? .'. Take my : circuit: :
Six member's .of : the ; Legislature t will
come down .here ' ar.d ; name - a .ludge.";
If I am iii the Legislature. and'-'chaniT.
p ion • -the 'cause : of my friend, . Coloriel
Pettit, or 'the, geritlerrianv'frorn Flu
vanna, I> will: say, ' he is ; ; elected) judse:,
"When;' the" time: rolls around: -for. him'
to appoint '■■ magistrates in my county ;'■
to whom will jhe naturally jgo f or,- inf orf!
rriation ?■ He : will : go ; : to the V gentleman "
from Amherst". ;. Why? .Because I have
been his champion and his friend.; He
will : : say "to: the -gentleman f rbm -Am- ;
herst. "Name me a-list of -twelve mag
istrates."' I will name , that slate/ : and
before anybody ■: else - knows - any thing
about it the honorable judge ' of the cir
cuit ■will k have made the appointments
for two :6r four years".'; ;. Give me"'. twelve :
magistrates: in my.'; county, such ; men ;
'as- 1 would.; pick, and : . I will have a
political machine - sucnv •as ; you i.? read
about : last. Spring in the Stjite of -Vir
ginia..: It can :,v;be /done •without;, the;
judge knowin'g.ai.y thing 'about .it. .
Talking"^ about \ taking the ;■ judiciary.:
;out of politics! :; : Why,-\yous.will: stick";it:
Tight ' into politics. . : I say < this commit- (
tee's : report iwillV give ■ rise ! to the • gr eat r j
:est log-rolling machine that the State]
ever -witnessed ; : and v then -if-; one;
of -those; fellows'. 'should ?;happeri ;.to :do
'as '■■■ this Vfellow^ did a few years -■; ago
whom I ; have just spoken' of ," give ; judg^
ment. ;f^or /costs" 1 against -a -pobiy.'fel-)
low because he ; ; could;. Kiake it/ qutjqf 1
you. and'.cou'ld.;not make: itrbut ; qf r the;
ottierr, fellow, whot-vare;; you dgqirig -^toj
do?? s The -honorable -judge : of that dis-j
trict will' >c deaf fand fil; will ,;be;deaf;;
the -people -may /kick; and/^squirmr . ;
;I say ■: the magistrates /-ought to -ibe !
/electedv.by ; : the people, /arid r-then .when;
ithVpeople come; around to re-elect them,:
a" magistrate/who '.■ has ; given ;•■ satisfac
: tibn A and /' done : his : - duty /f will? ' be S re-:
elected ;v if : he /has ' not; ., he /will / not :,be
re-elected : i : Tha t , is ; my /third qb jec tion
toHhia" report. ' '•''"'
S"Nbwr MrJ .Chairman, the .more; 1-. 'read' :
this .'report '»the -/more ; I ;: am ;/ dppqsedjtq
;it: irmust;hurry;al6rig/;; ■■T/doL-not' i J3ro-j
pose /to - tire this 'I Committee.- r I i berfey c '■■
:thisrisfmy 'thirdKtalk^n)sthe^flqqr// v qfj
this:;ConyenUori ; ;inffivejor;slx;inoriths.^
I do 1 not /want/: to/ tire f the^CqinfriitteeJ;
but ;v 1 1 arii 'i- aiming X in" riiy>; plain sway^to;
give^yqu: facts/ that- T;hope/;Will^carry
;cbrivictiori/:to?ybufaridi' shbw^ybu^that^
:it^willxnbt?dojfor^this^co^riniittee^t6/
' endorse // aridg approve -^this '& reports 'pi ]
could^ give "3 r bu other 'objections,--;: but
i-IVmust^hurrysalong;and ? clqse/m3r ?re^'
marks*
//"The pother.; day .-.when "ithe: 'distinguish^
•e^/Achairmun^of^this^/cqmriiitleeK/wasi
"ori^his/feetJJe'xplainirig^this; -report, 0 /; I ;
Diit : a - o/uestion- "to "him/^which : was:
this:
'^""Mr. C;j JV/ CAMPBELL: May I ask
thegentlefnan a question?
"Mr." HUNTON: Certainly. -, ;
"Mr. C. J. CAMPBELL:Suppose.that;
; S tate *-or ■■■ the? people /. of half ■ of
■cburities •irisvthisj Sta'te;£wer/e|tb|dete?S
irninelth^t/they/wa^tedTmcrHhly^u^
itheriv-wbuldfyqur^riuriiber/i of ? twenty-;
fourTjudges .suffice?"' . :*3v;
:;:is*;;basedsiupqni: ;:is*;;basedsiupqni
;th"eiassumptibri|thatYpart/qfithei'counS
itiesfof-SthisS] State gw 111 swarit^monHily^
courts^- andvl-s believe ~t lt wiHSturrijl'but;
ito^.be true. -'.What' was th* gentlo-
not/ '^'^M$
Rlnow, I say,*^in suppoit of t n. rTo
iTutlbri/bf I the |gen tleriianjS i f om^BTanca^
keF,'Sthlatfaris^er^a/lone'ifrqm§t^
'brableTgentlemanr-tYbriilFauq^e^qught
ttoTsettle|thelattitu ; de4qf.itlilsfc^immitteV
'upori!tl^t^rjsblutiqri?iw^lcb/jis|th^^
t ;; this 'i repqrtfewixi^the:
instructions fas r/laidSbut-viriyithat^resOT;
llution." ' -fifM
:^ll^ant|to^touch^,upimyjfrlend?
fon?a3;Uttielpbint. I ikriow^heiidldJHqtj
the thing .is/ reduced to black and
rr t white f we musCtakeCit l ab It readsf-^
jggSs'Mr. C. J. CAMPBELL:. I want toj
|sayjathatfem^|; county wants month^
pJl'Mr.'^ai^TONl^Weii, I
glad iC yt»u" would riot incorrupt me to
pNow;tl§thlqugh^fia^wasl.what |the|
distinguished^ cliairman 'u i warited^toj.
.knbw^andll-.told'ihim. I know.; he s did:,
; riot I" intend "it| in lithat? way ; |Se|^meants
ithatihe'fdid!^
:at|thatljime. ! flßutll|th(m"ghtitha^
jwasl|what % the '"■' comm ittee j; ; waiited^lti,
.was^my^firstSbpPprturiitx'^tQ:;tell?|the!
Chairman (arid Ithe tee fiWhat : rny|
county Lwan ted. aridwl;tobks advantage!
bfiitj^arid^tbldnhim^anclShel did^riot:'
■want to hear it Now, I want ,to,
$be -i charitable^ to rriy ; friend. ; ; : VI | dol no^
:believelittiatljlie • intended :; It s,thatsway^
T:.i Mr. : ; HUNTON : -- 1 do ; , not want your;
fcharity.Msir.
Mr. C r J. CAMPBELLi: I am glad
you^dqi v not,Vbut"ljsay|it£wasithe i :firstl
■ opportunity I . had '■} to ntell ; my: friend ;
w r hat^my: county, wanted, and; I -did.
.;..-..■■'..... ■.■;-.•.;' . ■: - ■■ -■.".:■■■; -.: f ■: ?
§Mr. HUNTON:' Will the gpntleraan
permit me? ■ . - '4
s#Miv£ C;;; J/ CAMPBEEI*: :.?.Certainlyr^|
!|-Mr^HUNTON:?;I know ; that : if | the)
gentlernan); should', be ; Irefe^duringr^the i|
Plater v consideration Vj of report, ~..\he;
iWbuldrihaye^anYabundance^bf.i'.Ome-^p)
■tell flthe';rcbmrnlttee*swhat; his: M:6untyj
Owanted;^faridM
unwise ;to : r interrupts speakers ; f orj! btlier,?
purpose's ;•;• than for/ ;: getting : ; Informal
tion. • ¥ ; •
i;f Mr-: C." J.:-CAMPBEljL:^Thanksj:;for;
iybu'r.-v explanation. ' j 7 *"
;:ii Now, ''■:'.} Mr. ' "' Chairmari/Al >: rp erely^ say ;
;thatl;is- >vhat; my^cquntyV, "wants. % "We:
courts, 3 ahd^lSliqpe'itlilsj
cbriimi ttee and "thi sV; Conven tibn, : i if iwe ;
Efis^d^ia^(^ffldog,t|^^(ii^^sys^^^
will give them to us. ;''.'"** '-"• ■
' 'Sf Mr/' ' ChairniariiS; l? am ;. now- ; ; going ■' to i
close: myy4remark^/ ; :^I|/a
mi ttee-. earnestly, to I'recbtnrriit -this -re-,
port ;with'vthe " instructions ~as,prqppsedj
by^.the" : resolution *; ; ; of^^the- gentiema"n|
from" : Lancaster^ ':Let>usstakeTriiy,.(dis-i
trict. v .'lt;isrcomposed;of ; Amherst/jNel^i
sonrV-!Albein"arle,>Pluyanna*yMa*3GobcKs^
; :;land. SM :<know; lAmhcrst^'wants'ithej
monthly court; and ;I ; hope ; she "willfget
if;here^; If not,vl^believe: sue williget:
it '.'before: the -: Legislature^ VThefgentle^:
rnan<frorii^FluVannaytells f melhis peo^
ple^warit^monthly>.courts~'lri ;Fluvanna.':
OMt: f VTt PETTIT : v ? : ln y. iFluvanria' ; ; arid
Goochland. ."" " ,
;■;■■ Mr. ; ■: c :%j .^campbeltL:^es; Fiu-;
vanna -\'i: arid '^j Goochland . " ; There V- ; are
three ''".£ Albemarle : Is na; larger,
county ;; than - any iof the other V counties
; in •the; ■district": '?<"ilt'. is .: larger =thanY Am
!herst.^-Nelsori'.:;has;>; about";' 500 V: ;iess
population; than ;■ -Amherst^-It :: is J my
opinion", that 1 Nelson g ought i; to -.have ~i a
monthly > court: : How-arefyou^goingytb'
■give: us monthly; courts iwith'l -five ; coun-.
ties ? 'I r ; know "V. that Albemarle i": ought
itolhave it; at v least, - that / ifc 'my fopiii
iori. I- ■.''believe: when;. they ; experiment
with : : it and'? try it, they : will come" to
thaCfconclusion. , I .believe the.- people
j of Nelson .want it, and I knowthe ;peb r
Iple of ; Amh'erst 1 wantit, and, from, the
r statement of \ the gentleman':" from = :.Flu
'}■ varinai Fluvanna arid Goochland i^warit
; -;-.:^ "- .;:•: ~:^PB:-^m^^MiJ+
! Now. I think, taking: my district;; one
• of those; couri^ties .ought ; to: be lopped
r off.; Gocnland, i which is -the tail-end of
: the;district,\it,seenis;tb.rne, ousht"to]be
\ 'lopped; off that -circuit, 1 : or,; one of "the
: counties v ought .to be taken ., off ,: so ;as
:toXgive us four counties. " ' ' ..
■ .':r Then.i if-! you; are: going, to j force ithe! sin
51.g1e; system < on ;us," »l -believe ; a business-like
:: t judge .'can ;keep * the docket"; cleared \upz oi
: -he -iwill ;. endeavor; to -. do ■ so,;- ;by.r holding
: ; moritnjy; : .courts, :'; and. giving one -week .to
' ;each;.county.-':/ ■.: -.■• ■•.=■• ■■-• '>■'-."' ■'. it'c / : .r.-.;2 v - : - ; .--.'iY'
\ '"' That ; is :. the : way . j to :' give- : us :an efficient
- "system^ -Butyl .want: tosay<stoithe;advo
. cates " of -the single system.^ if^you; do>not
• '. do > i t,i as suggested ,by -I the 'motion " of the
gentleman - f rom : rLancaster v ; (Mr;":! Duna
way),iand^as;l ask-you?tOido;it, you ; are
' going to make this. system: more unpopular
'■ v.-iththe'.people than it Iwould. 'otherwise
) :be. :,. - - ,
Tf you are going to .take that ; course,
; -let: us ~ start' : right. - Giveius- thirty : judges
' instead of ; twen ty- four,: or ; ; something like
that: "-V- do not know .the -exact": number
that will be ;req'uired;;:buti Ivwant^youstp
I give us such'a numer that only;four.ooun
;:ties will be put ; in' each 1 - district,: and the
'judges can hold cour,t once a.' week in; each
county. ':■',' -.■' : - : '-"- : v"-- :: ■"■>'-!:. •.■>■:■" r : '.-- ;-yri?-'.--.;7' •-.'"-:
: I want to say "another thing. This j plan
Is not going to be any more expensive] than
;the. other. -'Eliminate t -;theV minimum^. of
is2,soo?for ithe- judges'^ salaries? and Heave tit
■ to the? discretion of ythe Legislature. ; or -re-^
duce-it tos2,ooo;if ?you>ehoose:'and I say
' that/ thirty- circuits ; at $2, COO will; not .cost
: j-ou - an y more * than f twenty-four J circuits
■ •at;s2,sO£ .; ;: : ri- : ?r"+- ---'-■: ' "■;:'■ ' '-T^ : .'-.\
- Mr. DUNAWAT:",Twenty-seven. ;
■:; Mr. " C. ;•; J.:. CAMPBELL : ; Twenty-seven,
: or : I whatever '■-', the :Z number ; is. -;. I ; do •'•; not
:kriow;l-have not made:the"estimate; :but\l
am; r opposed'! to L this I Convention fixing Jthe
: minimum -salaries' of .these f judges. ■"•'.; I; am
J in faA'or : of leaving^it : to the Legislature:
i iWhy? "Because lthat is a.thingithat ought
■ 'to"be c flexible : :and-;movable. ;:?. ;"; Vi-
?; Take ithe: case'of ja;circuit.;in;this ;State
: composed?: of if our counties* contiguous Jto
a- railroad. , 'ln ; such ;a circuit ;the, judge's
travelling iiexpenses v will ' be\; less; 'S and^it
• will < take: him a;shorter time ;to fget^from
one ; ; place" to. ;the; other. , Do; youifteirme
: that the judge, there: ought .to; get as much
1 salary as , a : ' judige ". away " over }■- :■ here 7ln
: Southwest i ; Virginia: • who/ ? perhaps, .; like
my friend ihere.Hwould; have to : travel forty
or -fifty Siriiles iin.'aThiredibuggy.Viwhich
. i wbul d \ occu py ? air. of ; one ; day;; 1 and iwho,"^ if
! he | stays - at : the 1 court-house two i or£three
I'd ays,'? would ?■ have f to';: keep S. the j horse •: and
-buggy-"' there'sduririg that.: tinie': atganTex-;
fpense of .three or-four.dollars'a day. ; "; : ;.;.i.
■Iv say '■ those VareTquesyons .' which ■; should
: *be -;determined : by- the^LegislatureHn'ithe
s future. - Of & course Z> the y may
? try, "i as *a; matter! of to X tixf it
j one =way,-- and 'they :• may : find \ at : the: next
; isession or.atthe end'pf the s term;that they,
; ; will ■: have "'to ; fix it \ another way. J--I -believe,
' very !s properly, 'ithe?: salaryVcannot bejre
?duced9during4tneSterm^ofsoffice:'#lt^cer-
! ' tainly. : oughts to |be Jwithin sthel province |of
i ; the - Legislature ; to fso \ modify i these lihings
: ■ asito"' meet- the] demands'iof ithe: publicland
I of ithe' business of Athe: circuit,"' sorthatUhe
: : proportion:.willxbe^right ; and ;just>and
proper. ' - .
?•"■ Mr.) Chalrmanjrl; thank you' and, the gen
; tlemeri Vof this ; committeei ttee :for ; :your r patient
} Shearing.;; ( Applause.) ".
: : : Mr McILW AINE : : Mr. Chairman,^ I ! rise
■ 'simply' becauleslKhave-'been|grossly>mis£
i >!represented':by,|the" ; gentleraan;]from Mm^
? herst? (Mr: Campbell); JasSljwas JaH dayior
?twolago '.by^theigentleman from Augusta
- -
i .-a I never, said ; at ■ all [what t these < gentlemen
; have ' attributed; to" me.S? I s . thought ; perhaps
I; l wa3smistakeh^but v whileUhe?gentleman
; I was fs speaklng/^l '? obtained?; the g papery In
■ i which vmy :speech?is =recorded,'i; and»re-read
! fitlv"lyrieverisaidnthatJtheicommlttee's)-re-?f it lv " lyrieveri saidnthat Jtheicommlttee's)- re-?
1 !portought<tOTbe;adoptedfasjpresented|by
• the -committee Isimplyibecausei It S^was ? an
: able repor t;?sl i did s not ■ dwell | on' that i sub?
lfect:atXlir> • L-'.-£-'. . ' 'ggtiSM
?Fhe'report?bught' ; hotito}De>referred|back
*toitheTcoriirnittee/3iThe;reason4l?gave|was
i I that! the 1 committee.i an 'extrem elyj able; and
' conscientious A one.^inadej up k of I the^very
vbest.materlal-In ; ithe!Cpnyentlqn;*hadigiven
this questiori"ample;conslderationSandlthat
i 3nbwiithey>hadfgivenlus|afterjgreatslabor
! |tbeiribest?judgment.^l,*itherefore,rsaidtthat
i fthe»rreport,^ifrffameiidment J fc.was^.neede.a:
i'ou&htf tb = ftbeJamendedponf the^floor.'sarid
i « totbelref erred Jback ttoi the|cqmj
I ; mittee:%Thatl-was vmy^contentionA; 0-;^,r;f.
i #Mr^C%^CAMPBELL:!I-desirejto<sayitq
\ (the gentiemantthatil'didinotintendito;m|s
■: 'representlhim^liwllllsay^howeyer^that
i ll<didriot' ; undertake;to f quote;hlm;inltenns;
I |IfslmplyJgave^ln|BUtetenjceawhat^in|
iferred<from*his remarks."' r;js&^>3
I §Mrf M^ILWAINE^Weji; you mg^
! f?WMr^G'f J : ICAMPBELL: I will be .very
i rlia"ditosiiave}youiread ; iwhatjyou!dld3say,'
! KrlC^CAMPßELLrrlwish youtwould
rWd|ltitqmisrcommifteef^«[^M
! ss^Wr^SMciLWAlNEiaKaTOlmuch^ppHged
fltb^vo'ujibutUthasibeenldeltveredSonce.iand
} "Knavemoidoubpit^lmsjlia^Mdii^we^ht
i Jwith*the!committee.?.«-S^#:^y^ay^^^
1
I foccupyMheftpositibnKthat?>you§ gentlemen
I fnttributeStbVme,lSWhen|rspresentedlthe
Hreportl of Sth'el Committee j on^Educational
! sta teds that twe|^ad|dpnexthe
? ibestiwei;couldfsbut|thatflthad|nQ|dpUbt
\ famendirients^couldffand jiTvoiild :bo^inaufi
->; en ithe floor ; Jand • that ■ nobody wpuld', w*K;
fcome?stheserf amendments I more |?<n*rdlauyj
|thanlthe:membersrptitire!commlttee|them-;
fselyVs:i&TheiSh'jnoral f c fchairman'jjbf gthe
fCpmmitteeSbnStte^JiudlClary^madelthe:
f*same:statement ;when I he I presentedilßSi^:'
•- Mr. Chairman, all .that I ;contendpJ*|
stiatstherel:is!inbineedfbf#i«naing>;thesrc-^
! port iback § [to I tjie, '* committee.i That*i ttee.iThat* toialfcf
•Lettwhate"verl£imendments|are;J.ngcessari^i
Jbesmade^on|thesdinTereiitSsectlons|oi.sti:«.
(jreport-as'theyJcomeTup^aSiitlappoars^bSiHl
IJtbatheiCbnveritionMr. ; -
S3MrSMEBEDITH:IMr:iChairman; liw^m
■;tb^ask:theHCpnventionffor-;just ahnoment^
i attehtipnlitli aplnOt § propose t to s make] anjs
!arguntentiupl)nianyjpartfofithls|repprt;\o.|
lupori|thei report? asfan"! entire tyiX'Thes gen t;
UtlemanSlfromifAmherstri (Mr. fA Campbell^
j|however,itook'occasibn!injhisremarks;thi:.^
Hmornlngisto^aUude2tQ.^tfie3cityJoffßich-r|
Hmbffd^andTdrewjattehtiohUoitheifactltha.t
i she ! gets! four; courts ■ un-dteri this \ repprt:nW«
S allfknpwj remarks] of Ithat \ kind i are] apt^ta
i stirrup -it eelings ¥of Sunkindness 4 toward /. a _
IpartlcularisectibnJof^thefStat&ViH^S^SM
Nfflln\vieWi of ithat'factilisimply^ant ;toi sayj
lthat*l3 do-not' proposeUp 1 follow^ him \ upon]
ithatlliheHhisjmorning;|but.'atithe4propei"
|timetlgthink*lT can '; demonstrate sto jthu.j
; .comniitt§e^andtf.to^tlie3,ConventlonJithaf
iwhile ■ the i'ci tyi of ißichmond 5 does^= no t ; claim !
atoShavelbeenfgei^erous.^sheShas^AthroushT
1 herSrepresentatives^beehii f air/^lJcan 5 go
■ farther,';Jand3show3thatiwhile"?under.tvthi3
ireport~!sheTdbesfnot;getla';sinsle!dollarjp£?
ibenent.-fa'singleichahgeinThericourt.'orra'
sbetter;- judicial;- system i; in > any v.way.ashe^
.assumes 3at;buf den ? of i taxation'; equal pto
i from! $1,700 . to ' s2,ooo in ' excess '■ of . whatjshe ;
now I pays.
•? I"thlnfe v l= can^ demonstrate these "things.
; at?;the :^ time^K simply^i call | attenUon slto;
Uhem? now.*; in< order;; thatjthe iremarks 'the
genUemanl-has:macte;may..;notfcreate'SUcn;
!an unfortunate '". impression -i as i some times.
Hresults^fromfcontrastinglcitieSiWithrCOun^
; ties;iand I?ask % the?committee !to iholdtitsj
F judgment^ in 1 -; abeyance • until it .: shall ;.hav&
all. the ; facts? before it. ■ ' ■
sgbThe >; CHAXRIVIAN r.xThei/ question its 3 on
: agreeing "to » the ;i resolution^ of tie-.
! man? f rom'i-liancaster;, (Mr/? Dunaway). ■■/. U
: : The resolution -was: rejected.
• •; The; CHAIRMAN: -Are 'there andj further
amendments to section 8? .
V^Mr.'i DUNAWAT : JMr.'l Chairman;rl -.wish
'tb'-"offer.ithe>following:ias?alsubstitutejfpr,
section's. v; I ask the Secretary, tp^read-it.;
Secretary; read :as: follows: -■-.::; ■ ; ;::-;v ■
;i"Sec. B.' The State^snall \b6 / divided :mto.
: 27 "judicial icircuits,! as If pllpws : : <Thelcoun r ,
Jtiesr of ?■ No rfolkH Princess ; Anne i and-rithe
icityHofiPortsmouth^shalli constitute tne
: JnrstVcircuitV-^^'-' ~s~'X T :? : '~y '••V-;>i-t/:^' •.■.•-. - ;:.'-- ■}.
WMx& EORTL.OCK: »Mr. •sChairman^.-tl^re;,
: Triew myJ motion ]to amend the ; second ; para
; 'graphsOf>sectlon;Sof^the ; repc)rt. > t 0« c:v
'■■ s - The^CHAlßMAN:tTheS.Chair:,wiirvSUg
•'gest;;.that--the = i gentleman ; 4 wait.,untiU=ms
substitute': has-been 'read:- "He: can itnen;
v ! offer amendmentitotthei substitute. &ia
I SFsimplyiidid^not'proH;
■ pose .thatimy ; opportunity • should! pas3r v ;
R;- VWAL.TON; : MOORE:."! Mrr
;Chairman. -In would s suggest sto ;the ?gen-j
; :tlemantfrom>L.ancaster, ; that : f he;expiam Ito:I to :
i ' us 5 the '« object": of 3 his ? ■ amendment :/. iEvi-j
; identlyshehasimade;a i ;re-cast(of t the;com-'
; fmittee's arrangement: 1 with"? aiview.j to ,re-^
' "arranging ."some^partic^lar- circuits:?ana:
=1; think ■we can? understand this i purpose,
jbetter by '; an than k*y ■ haying ;
; ithe'amendmentiread: .'V^- .■."•".. ''..:' '-Z'ik -v, v.--";- '::'-
i '- C- Mr. -"DUNAWAY : "iMr. ■■ Chairman, it
: with reluctance;^liwish i; ; to ?say : . to ;;tne
; imembers ; of * this s commi ttee-—-f : , .-^ '; , !
• .■" Mr ;■ KEEZEL.D : air.l Chairman, ' I i think
1 ithe'-" : readihg:iof; the amendment;,; is S r the
h tbget!at ; it:fThen-we:«m 11s
.ten : to the' -gentleman's ;* r explanatlon.v:i
.' should Mike I to i- L haye-i the proposed.- substi-.
; itute read. 1 : - u'' : W ..•"•■ :~-\'.:■.•■";?"•■•/■-■:''-*.-^-V,-i~-.i;-,: ~-\'. :■. •■";?"•■•/■-■:''-*.-^-V,-i~-.i ; -
, Mr. ■ MARSHALIi: Let L the . substitute
be read:"/ . /""-■..':-■'- '. •'■'":^' : ''>-i^ : --'
-:■:■ Mr.. I: would prefer,' Mr.
1 /Chairman;^ that •it a should , be ,t read . ■s I iask
! the attention of the members : to it;; and
w^hout entering'^ into; any ; : detailed ' state-.
I explanation ; or; argument;:- I? I want
; to ; request of- this ;.. body,? as; a matter of
'■{ 3favor/^thercoureesyi:^atsativote 'Despot
",: : taken upon ithis;-:i this ;-: amendment t(>day . ?;I
■ ■! desire ;- that ail ; of ; : ~i the T : members p. off. the
Committee - of V; the r Whole gH shall S see ;ithe
3 jin print; [ and \ that '-; they> shall
'• ihave Tan .opportunity of "^considering -; the
- ivarlous: clauses of -it, ; ana 'comparing ;it
I \with : the/ sys tem4Of,idistricting - the ; State
-.: -which has:been¥adppted "by the* Commi
t-■ itee on : the /Judiciary. • " ■/X -''-.\ .•'•-- .'',-. .C~\.
'.' - I 1 honej s the will: continue ; ato
■' read' the; substitute "and that gentle^-;
': ~merifwillfpayrattention;as;it:is;being:reaa.
• ;;.Tne;Secretarj-- reau the -proposed ;sub
." ;stitiite/ as 1 ; follows :-;.;^. A . "^ ".".■;':"■ '*■ '. :; . ."•-- :.'■■'.
• ," "Section 8: J The;? State ishall be "divided
r into 27 Judicial ■circuits," asifollows: ■ :'
< ; " The^ counties of^NorfolkDand^Princess
• -Annes and '-. the /City ;qf :; Portsmouth fshall
' constitute^ the ifirst 'circuitA^. ; : .-^
r '■'■■ vThe 'counties of Nanseniond, ; Southamp^ ;
■ ton-arid:lsle"bf<Wight andithe cityrof.^or-'
' folk ■> shalF constitute ithe | second:: circuit^ |
~.t SThe~ counties Sof | George, i Suro", i
• -Sussex : ; and 3 Greerisyille . shall constitute;
: the"; third" circuit;.: : : ; ; ,: : : ' ; ?r : ': : ,>^.
\>' The co unties Tof :Chesterfield," Powhatan,]
-Ameli a r andrNo t toway ; shall • cons ti tv te ithe
' vfourth'circuit;^: ■:■ ;: 7 7 : Vv /-, . :/ : :. .'■'- '■: [\\i
V.-rThe v) of .".Brunswick, » Mecklentr
■ ;burg,'4Liunenburg,;Dinw.-ddie'and .-the^cityj
" of '.'Petersburg: : shall constitute : the" : . fifth ';
. ■ : ':"^- '' : -:--'-'-- ■••.}'■ '.'■-. 'ir '■■£■/: ; " > -' r ,'l- ~Z~<
The'counties^of Prince Edward. iCum-£;
■berland, ~- Buckingham and; Appomattoxj
'shairconstitutethe sixth rfrcuit;-" 'h£ ..: .;S
• ?:? .The?; counties S of '■■■ Charlotte^ rHalifax, ; «
• :Campb"ell;'Bedfofd'ahdthe city.<6f Lynch
' 'burg: shall; constitute the;* seventh-circult.l
; CM The fof Pittsylvania,?Franklin;;
jHenrysandtPatrick/andstheicity^ofrDanf;
; (ville;. shall ? constitute^theleig^ith Jcircuiti;
>!-i-The I counties J of .■Amherst.'vNelsonitAlbe- !
marie" and M Greene '? shaliy constitute .-;• the ;
; ;ninthfcircuit. _ "■* _ . '
. i'he; counties :': of Orange, Louisa.
; ;vana land «s Goochla.nd ; shall? constitute|ths,
'-. kenthlcircult." -;"-'.." ''.:-.',"■ .■' '^""~.- : -~'^
iyThe: county- of Hehrico and < the city; of, -
I ■Richmond : :.■•' shall -'■:. constitute '{ the"; eleven thi
\ ;circuit. ' •<::- ■''■ ".. -'>,-:''"-: £X'£- /;■.;• :'"?■'; -.r-'vi • ■O'-^-^':
' :; The "; counties" of Hanover,': New Kerit.- ;
vKingiWilliam |and rKing^ and : Queen • shall ;
. ; constitute '} the (twelfths circuit. :.: : ". .;; '
; 'f i' i.The '%:-} counties -^ of '. JEssex; ?;7' Middlesex/;
iMathews ; and'v; Gloucester : t shall { ■ consti- ;
i ; tute'- the';. thirteenth"; circult^i->;-.'.-.:---. : . * ■ :: ;i 7^
: iviThe Scbunties^of iCity.j James;
City, York and ' Warwick shall constitute
, thevfburtheenthicirciiit.^ :';: ../'■'. . ■':' ■.'.]'■ 'ci-iS'S
■ ?,:The' counties S :of .■Nbrthamp-;
Itbni; and Viilizabeth 2 City.'* and • the : city 'of;
■ ?;Newslfshau^constitute the ?fif-!
•: ) teenth ' circuit; : ; ?' ; '■?■£'■ . . ■*: : V-~ v:v ■-"" i ~ : 'i' ; ~f : '■ : "~
Sf.Theicounties]bf -Lancaster,. Northumber-";
iland,'; Richmond? and'rWestmoreland \ s-hali;
- f cons :v^ute : the Sixteenth; circuit; J^-.
; pS-T/hej counties : of i-King | George. 4 Staffflu,^
r I Spotsylvania"and ; Carolinelshall^constitute"
\'theJseventeenthicircuit.. v . \.""-r
! v!The (counties^ of i'Fauquier,' Rappahah-:
1 i;nock,-rCulpeperj;andi s Madis6n"%shallscohf"
. :; eighteenth Icircuit:--"^^ '..V;- v'Ui : :
: '?.v.Thetcounties> of. "Loudoun,; Prince?, Wil
, 'liamr-Fairfa-Xiand'Alexandria-andithe'City;
i Tof J shall J- constitute " the v! niner'
* . "
. l^.TheicountiesiofiFredericki;Clarke,\War
4 ;ren':iandsShenandoah v ;ShalL!Constitute' the
\ ItwentiethScircuit;^.'.^;;:. ;;;^:; ir,; ■;^-' ; >;::" : ,^rv.
' vj The ieountiesp of -.Page,., Rockingham sand;
'■ : Augusta : shall . > : constitute ;. the J;twenty
first: circuit.
I £ of- Highland ABath,vAllei;
a ?ghany'Sand-;R6ckbrldgeWJshah7, constitute'
|Uhe ; .»twenty-secondi;circuit: : 'V: ":;;;■;
I^TKelcountiesrof ;Bbtetourt, s iCraig,'jßban-!
4ioke"; andSMontgomery.^and tithe • city fof •.
»Roanoke|^? shal 1 f-i cons t lt u te "f the itv.-ci tv.-cn ty
>i third circuit.
p #;;The¥counties«of;t Giles; fPulaski,^ Carroll;
'« Tand JFloyiTg shallS: cons ti tv te ': the twen ty- :
;j|foiirth!circuit: if 2$%SM
/ #;TheTcoundes i of v fiWj-the,T Grayson •
( fand'Ss Smy thf shali^constitute % thel; t wenty-i
■: InfthYcircuit: . . ' ■ ; .
. :i^The ;: counties<of'%TazeweH r -4r3uchan"an,i
4ißussell!anu*sWashington";shaU3constitutej
;' P.the'twentyrsixt^Tcircuitr^g^Sgf^^^^^p
4 } |f ,Thel counties |bf IpickensohiTsWiseS Scott \
'irahdaLeeJshall'tconstitutejthestwerity^scv-i
:I |;ehthfcircuit:" . <?&£&&s
'* i^Mr^WlSE: : i:Mr^ Chairman." l^raiseftiier;
i spolntf of f order,J,that9this Fsubstltuteps iiout:
j vofUorderS^The^mptionl'Submittedrfisrlfdw;.
,- Mays fago'jbVl th"e|gentleinan|from^L'ancas^i
i iteriwas|thatihei|reportrshbuldtt]be?re"coin-'
'i fmitted^to"ithe?Cbmm|tteefon]tae ! Ju<iiciar>v 1
I ',wi thl instructions gto ? so Jdi vlde|tne s State ■
' i; thatinblcircuitfshpuldi contain • morelthan
I |four. s fcbunties. tf ffThe|4prea<ent^proposiaon
i las ther/same^ln^ another ;~ rorm?3 aa"« that
\ 1 which I hasSJustjbeen ivoted I down I byi the
'■: :'comiinueo.
: I'hc gentleman giv<>s us an arrunge
1 iment-oficircuitsicontalningino/morejthan
2 \ foiirE counties ff|That|f is Si the^fl prbposltloa
I Iwhichf has | been jdtscussed^ here |ior J thrue
<i [days^mnd^it =hasi;beensvotedf|down^|'l
I jmajvet-thelpoint^thatlit^lsjouiobfs^ordftr;
ii ITJnderithe njlestlnblgentlemanlhas'airignt
{ |tO;subniltUhe}same!ouestion?to}theKHouse
'■} trnprelthanionoe.^Wheri^ltjlsiYotedfiowh^
'i sthatSsettleß!it»?or:certairilyi;ought|to?set
,: tie it,
Mr: DUNAvVAY: l.ir. ;C:i.tirmait. . be
, |forelthe?ChM^rulesS»ipbnithe|pomt^pe4s2
3 imltsmeltb}say|that?l^vouldTnbt}be?gullty
►' {pfftheSbardihoodTof&submittlngsstbgthe
■: [cbmmfttee?a^prbpo3ttlon that it-had^at
1* -ready voted down: It seems ttorme^|hQtr
sfana~.that*f£-atty "amendments were to, be
fwi^rstlie jiitxricst ' re^st|so,|tneS ~a«*'*<~~2lgg
• ..it < the.'niemberafof *th& : Cpnveatwffi*OT»:^^
.•.Vjm?opportunrtvjt6 r exftmin- it, l'Twn,"ft§
' not r'sof good -as'thiiL;proi>o»pdSbyggi6;^P
m m i tte«,^ they; ean* easily- say so. '- " >.--
i'or;m>-'part.-I«ii> nut InuMit! i- detain . -.
! ¥:rj.rksT-?|l£ « thef members;? of StheiConvea-,y^.
| - ion, s; havfngif caret uHy^TeacTS and f cGn^-j|i|§
|^tcd'-ithi3tfsubsUtute^see|iltßtpSy o ?sf4S^=
! f e'erhaps Ht-haye|app*aretl~i more ~ so/2.tfijs!l||||
1 jupon"^ any -fbtherji: question g that * has; ibeea^fe
S?,ubmitted^toathralbOrty;i%ltlfs|on^ts^iP
j?depth 4 {of Jmy|conv',ctlon' f an<ltthe|st»efljSd?at#^
l of smy^'des ire,i f slriffthiitS have j; caused % ta&Mg&
i^d/offer-'tlie'iptespatisubsititute. Vj . i -.
j^Mr^WSEKMr.iCha!rmanrP'Shoul(llllk«||^
hib'say^inlrespdnseHoltheTgehUemua^frpidt^^
2 Cancaster;'| Uiat^of |course^l| knoTf|h©;|wsSS
; soy erned^ on S a£i 4occaslons* v bylJ theM h*aCS.j3
im6tives;'butjtbatihas"nothinsit6ia<»v w 'i t "#^
•- " v • {\£sp&J
i p,The'imotioa I to j recommit : ..witi*;!iii^tra<S~il
[jUons f.to^thc '"cbrritaitteestQ2repoct3t<a>|lifel{^
I Convention]? a'ftii vision Joti the % State Jtßttt^^
? judicialf? circuits % con taininar^ onlr^fottif^^
i [uountes, j is % exactly,! the* saiaespropo«iooai^|i!
,' as j that?Jwhich -: is »nbw Jsubniitted.'S&tt * ba*|p|"
(been ; thoroughly • : discussed if or.\ tbre'egd3ys£g|ag
3anu'|tfte'2alino3t|unantaious>*judsineiit3ioCs^
| the /^.Convention £<has 3H been fig prpnbaQcetit^p
a£^lhstgit. l p i l^make^tiie";pointsof2d?dejer^gi
IthatJunderathejrulesiit'ls inbtUai orpbet^i^m,
t'subniit^ittagainilnlthlsiform:: "*■. '? ".-• I".-*,-,"
i^
I the", point lot ] ostler J isfm^fiweU | taKeß.*iWe|^
'canjtake j alSnindredTcaun ties ' arid| artaa'sel-^P
!themtlßf'igroups^of-jfbuxs^latan:Jtad<sßtiit»'^^
;number.'K+ Suppose
Ifourlf counties 3 to"3 the"3circuttHhad^b€en^^
imade) ithatuwpiiltl >notsprecltjde Ja,inaemb^^^
j f ropa s ati" different^ arranguiaeiiti^S
■AVe.?rannot;say^that*th'elcoinmitte^i£llK^P
Ihadi; reported HbaclC?} this ;< section 3 after^atfiffl
! recommittal.^iwould (Shave 3 repprtedi^itt l^
fprecisel; arrangement. J'J.7- ■ • ■'"•S'fwiS
Vcßesides^ this SJsJ aj»* amendment (i^lth©'^^
;Committees;report^3.The*oSaeriwas'tt.EoO- j
.;tionUP4recpmmH?iWith3a.lrecjpminendatidn;^:a^
<; that?thelrepdrf-bel serit^ b'ackTtb * tfie t eom=|||l
.inittee with>certain *instructioris.v:* --"3?
;/vThe;2 Chair;*;* therefore^: holds
:polnt.? t of:iorderJii32not>.welt. : tal^en. ; . .
I §
j raise !j the Jt urther,;point 'of «' order s thatlyouj^
i cannot'?o£fer 3 a'fsubsti tute :\tdg thej sec^ott ? >®
jun.til'alijamendments'ito'-beiproposed^to It- %
jhavejyeentoiieredlandJdisposediof^fi-lUin-/.-.- ?
iderstandTthatlthe^gentlemanlfrom^Nor- -;',
If olfct coanty "ihas 'an'? amendment
itojthe.iflrst3part|ofitnejsectlon.^?ff*ttltaxfp|
\be l true 3 the- subs ti tu ie 1 is ; out *of /otder.*?vl ;<■ -S
; simply A desireS to I call |tne fattehtloiil of ithe $p
'Chair to. that fact. " .' ' •> /V"-'-;
giThe;CHAmAlAN:l.The(Chairjrule3tthat#J
■ that ';polntA;of^brclersi!sJtnot ; \weli:;; taken.
.CVVnile 1 the substitute.' Is tfii ■ order; ; and! zaa^JSci
•beT;ofrered,^'ltfls'Jstill^within>.the'?power- -J
;of ithe 'tCpnventioh.Sto'Tamend'-' the original <■;'"s
report. ! " '- ""* "^fe
i^IVIrJ^O'FIiAHBItrTri-'Af ter the subatt^ll;
1 'itiitefhas beentofTeredr * ..'~3&*TMm
s»The»CHAIRMANi^Af te£j the ; siibstltuta^M
has r been offered. »* ." -~.'r "
:
;bu£;iocnerJgentlemen Chair JshaveJi*
I U simply ;.=.'i wanted" to ' f o
: ■call-thatlmatter.ltoithejChair'sjattehtibn.
■ v The JClLtVJßiJiiA'JftsThe.'! Chair AwUl^sate.' ,
■ •fqr/j th.eninfpjanation'*of3the)/gentlemaii":t^- :
5 ..
'. 'ithe!substitute.*:andinowJiamendment3lmay
: "■ be 3 offered 9to | the 3 sections as 'it \ stands, i^
\ ThoseJ amendments ivrillifiirst^beivbted:' an." %
\ -Ypu Jean 1 perfect ; the ; section /as ; it ' stands^ - : -
I Tandithen^youVcan take-up?, the .'substitute 9
\ land^perfectflt^ThenJaiiVOteiwinibeltakenr;;
; ■: between : ; . the ; section, • as : '■ perfected f ' by
; (amendment^ and the substitute.
WILL BE COSCU : DED TyiMORROW,
■'< * . '— — = — — 1 *
twelve Idles of c. & o.
TRACK TO, BE ABAtfDCWSD,
Proposition of llie Company to Tnliift^M
■ -
"Ul> Rails Between ISalcony ■ ».r
Falls and Baena Vista.
- ■ ■■- •>.'."■ ••'•"■-'". -"*-"-'•- ■"■-" ~ '■'■"■'.': i " r y*'' ! 'i' - '.""\ ':
f , , . *r/-,3¥ ' ,
; ; -It ; is^so : seldom^: that 4 a/rall-vnty^.'vrants^
.•tOj^r^ndbn"any:Tcblf3idexable3portlon-oC
! i ts,, track; ; tha t^ the*|fpropbsi tlon", o f ' ; the :
; {CheiapeakeTa^dfo^ptto^ake^upilt^ralia^^
on the -^Lexington' [Branch -rot - the'Troad
i ;from ; >;Balcbny rFaUs";tb"iißuena--iVista»^in :■
i Rockbridge ffcbun'ty^^wni^attractHrgemei^l^^
'attention;; in ! the^ilwayi^rld^TluS'dis^^,*
itance£-is"4 twelve?] milek ; >:A< bill iwaa | In-iv^"
I tFbduced ■; into 'the 7 HouseTof iby
i rAlrT^Waddy^SbT^p^brWgeV 5*5 * yesterday.
.i.^thoriiing .'^theVfabandonment of the g
srp_ad/^-Tlie^'aTO**we^l^todn^pfsßock2|^
I hereStSTailvQcaf e"^thefpassage|ot||^
i th"e"'bilir 'and : it looks now as if ; i 1 1 would4|p
j :'go\ through.^- "'" * *- - : -'."
" It is'lthe'lntentlon of the company to .
discpntinuVi ithe I'station ;jit)Balcohy /Falls
;ah^haye^all£thelbu^ v
I Glasgow r^whfch^ is X about] al.'anUleTavrayS to gj[£t
•.:the%y£est^ji^^i^
1 {road^lllSius^tl]^jtr.a"<%j^lJtie^brfo^^p
'and' :West'erinfrora"j;Glasgo\v', co v Faenfe;
•■Vista.' Jtrisl ' will-" reach : L-ek'nirtor.. nine
miles from > Buena • :Vlsta/- ..over'/: its owr • '
I ?and*dhf oir'uns * to ! on'lthe ;; east- - "
/"ern^nk' ; ofithF:Npi:thXHver^fro'm Bal- "
-rcony^Falls.^an'd^theS ShenandoahS Valley;^
lDivis^onl]bfj^the^^orf6nc '^and-j'^^stera^
> f rbin % Glassowti to ?4BiaenaXyista;|bii.' l i- the^^
south . i banfe'" / ':The^roa^^are^now3ifnder^
"■ thefcoritroljbf
Ich^n^^O^P'roPP^^'l^'U^*^ 10 .**:- 6^^!®
■ iecohbmy. .. " _ -.
;3'The r doubt has been expressed *by.somrt ■-
lawyers as to 'whether a^railroadMcan |
I abandon its tracks. It is not , recalled ■■ •
llthat "b^tfas'doM'soln^thlafJState^thatifoj^^
jihas v ab^d6hed : anyrcon^deroilefd'sj^fflje^^^
fTnafit"islreealle*djth"aH^in3the;
fat tempted >: to "■ havel?the [courts s altowgtt^
■■ ftoTdlscontinue bperatii ' the road from -
Ffa7jkliff?Jnncl^n : st^Rpckyi-louiit.>-;tli©^
i "case Vwas \ takcii \f tb"j tbTe^Supreme sCourt^^
"and that^tribu^lTrefns"edito|;allo^th*|^
But^in that icaa^P
IHtherV^erelottie^cbns^erot^s^^fch^
i Vill not be- upplii tbis c-ase. -But>thd^|
UChesapeakefahd? Ohlb|was not ,nhe^rist^
•ftnalTbwner of the line it h.ivins b^n
I ; biirchasedSby ;: the.;; latter! company^KOm^
■ ' the rbl d >Rlchnibnd fand SAlleghany^;;.; \si-;,«j
iMt-l is I alsb« asserted : that in ca.^- .tho^
rdoes^allOTr, the| road'.'. to-y b^tfe
; nd6and3ne^tlie^rlshtf?9J|way;,wililrevec^
r hio the "original cwucrs. Ths* J- a^pfcaa^j^
fofiUheirmaitirSwhlch in teputsUng sqxne^
: iot'Oie 'citizens of the county, .who want J
■the- condemned strip converted.- Into a
|c^ountySrbaa%^«eiwiHX«i^ljayi.bel^^
'! fdlscu^sibn ;of : tlie . ■■bill :I;lnlffOTnhU.tteeiwaft^|: I ;lnlffOTnhU.tteeiwaft^|
■ - on " -theMnboripf "the jlAgla'.ature^ 5 : ;-^^^
'"intZH aii<l Otl»er Strnc»»ren
' ?to\vnV the seatiOf government °*^y*ynSifi
I rcoUhty,' was "a'.tnosl wlpe'd out jby^ajflre^
i ; wh!ch^Drok ; .-out shortly attisr last rofe^
night ind"raßecl'untU after /daylight thlaj^
\ : imbrhmg^4The^fbllb^n^buiiahisafl^ve^
ii t 'fceeh|de3trbyeU: I^eon Davis's dv3f-SO^»ig
! sstbre>i|s,W»:fW. t inbutbn'* dryi^oods^and^
i iftrdcery,^giogi|fl*. «f>:
jack's saddlery at.d h.trnvss shop. {-Jew:
'Charmar, v r .•«'?;•»•-:• ":• •-' l :
'Addi3bn 'N'apior'a vK^ery ""rataMe.-ir.pCQ;..;;
• lii--L:'osii -r- .••.,..:,... • ■ <!■**,
f! store, JJ^W-I; Wesley Ellls's' v.-u^on-»h<?v>.' -:■
I 553.000;--E!lsha~'-At'kia s s «weimi^ tiMi) -
5 |Mrs?;.GSGJflsurgc«V3 butcher sh >p, Si;<«Jft4|
■
; ; .There ; was .little -nsuram^. ,as the town y c ;.
has no fttso department. Thf -Hre origi
nated in a livery stable, «aatf;a stlCtjVlniJ^
I "tbaV.,was t.l<iv,'hur"ca-.twa ..tne fru&c* to .
! J "sweep .on. ac3vr'>yh^^vc-rythl»s: lv their
Ip«th for hio sa««i!<.. Ta*\" Inhabitants V
/•■;■ ■■• ■i::\--:-':'-::S-:l~- ,.vv n' --^^ 'V- ;*.'..•:• ■.••- : r-" : y .r.v.", ■■'■;:'.•;■■■-
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