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Sectional Meetings Consider Matters of Vital Interest to Workers E BEST PLACE FOR DEPENDENT CMLJip HU Several Speakers Favor Plac-i iiig-Out System, Though Commcnding Asyliirns; Want Outdoor Games. Thal lioinr, after nU, is the best place for a chllil, aud tliat lr a chlld cannot he kept at. Its own home, It should be placed, lf posslble, ln xome other, sev. er.il charity workers agreed, In ile < hirlng nt the nieetlng of'tlie Dlvlslon nn Children yesterday mdrnlllg In the hnll of th" Mechanics' Instltute. Tht; toplc of the day related to children in Instltutlons, or ln thn dependent class, as In dlrect dlstlnctjon to thc .lollnquents, considered on tho previous day In connectlon wlth the Juvenlle court. Tlie D'-pi-iul-iii Chlld, The discusslon was led by Mrs. Fal coner. ot Phlladdlphia, who considered the subject of children lu Instltutlons from tho polnt of vlew of tlieir prob nble preparatlon lo be future citizens and parents. Following thls, the dis? cusslon of the care of the dependent chlld wns broad nnel general. many active workers and lioads of Institu tlons ln all parts of tho country taking part. Miss Curtls, of BoBton. prcsldcd, lltnitlng tli.- tlmo of the speakers and holdlng attentlon to the subject ln hand. It ls estlmated that there are ln thls country nltout 1.200 recognlzed In? stltutlons for the c-.re of dependent children. ond that Ihere ss 011c depend? ent chlld to every l?0 normal children. Tlie dependent class lncludes orphans, pnrt orphans. neKlected nnd aluised 1 1 hitdren, children taken from Irnproper parents or envlronmorit, crlpples, ln VftlldS, mental defectlves and others whose llvea vary from that of thr- nor? mal, healthy chlld. llvlng In the home of Hn own. and surrounded by thc love nnd care of Its kln. The Orphnn Anj-luni. The work of the orphan x.<i>',,,,T, wa" bv 110 means undcratcd, and these in? stltutlons were hold to be necessary parts of a system of juvenlle caro an.l rellef. The tone of the discusslon, however. and the evldent preponderaru-e of oplnlon was ln (avor of the placlng out system, always emphaslzlng the Importance of aftor care and super? vlslon of the children placed wlth fow? ler parents. Kvery American chlld wns declared to be entltled to a home and tu deserve the love and siirroundlngs of 11 home as a rlght. These surround Irigs the average orphan asylum ls not supplyltig. uccordlni; to several speak? ers. who gave due tribute to tlieir goo.l Intentlon*. Kxceptlonal cases were re- j Iat?i| where smaller asylums wer.j supplytng thi? personal care and atten? tion. Tn the dlscussion it was hjold that Ihe promlneiue glvetl to Juvenile cotirts. and to the Improvements for thc rare of the dellnquent chlld. lias BOrriewhat overshadowed the work whlch should be oone for the lnno? cent, dependend chlld. who has done nothing to fnrfelt love and respect, and who Is entltled to a fair oppor? tunlty In the battie of llfe. In twei.ty-seven States falrly well or? ganized home-piaeing organlzatlons were reported for plaoing-otit work. all of them havlng a more or less ef? fective system of ?fter-lnspei-tion. In the argument for the iwre of the de? pendent chlld by private instltutlons snd societles It wns shown that the State was forced to provlde for the dellnquent child. because he ls both a nulsanee and a law-brcaker, and that the rights of the dependent girls and hoys were ln danger of belng over lookod. Some question was raised as to whether the care for a chlld ln an lnstitutlon would or would not make lt dlscontcnted wllh home surround Ings and environment, and unwllling to return. should lts parents be able later on to keep It, a polnt on whlcli there was an evldent conflict of opln? lon, different cases showlng different results. Trnlnliut of the Hor. One of the more carefully prepared papers of the day's sesslon was read hy Mr. Crawford .Tackson' on "The I'ralning of a Boy for Cltlzenshlp." air. Jackson is the genoral secretary of the Juvenlle Protective Association, wlth headquarters Sn Atlanta, and Is at present worklng out a plan for taklng noys out'of reformatorles and Instltu? tlons and glvlng them outdoor llfe on a large farm. He showed a close knowledge of boy life. and workers wlth hoys ln the audience, recognlzlng his descriptions, could almost see lndl? vidual boys from his Hlustratlve cases. Me gave the following descrlptlon of the emotlonal nature of a boy, as showlng hls vorsallllty: "Hc repents like a convlcted patriarch, weeps like a true prophet, plends llko an npostle. and prays llke a salat. And the great? est marvel about a hoy Is that he can go nll thls round ln one day. He will llght llke a young tlger on the play? ground In the morning, be hls father's prospective hero at noon and hls moth? er's littlo angel at nlght." The chlld was sald to learn in three waya, through Imitation," Interest and effort, and only ln these three ways could its rntnd be properly approached. The cramming process ln education was roundly condemned, the writer holdlng that overcrammed children really knew nothing, lmvlng 0 smat ?.erlng of everythlng. The paper was recelved wlth contlnued applause. The Element of Tlny. Mr. Charles W. Blrtweli, of Boston, goneral secretary of tho Boston Chil? dren's Ald Society, closed thodlscusslon with a brief address, In whlch, though ngreelng -wlth all that had boen sald as to the home plncing-, he snld It ls stlll true- that thousands of hoys and girls raised ln lnstltutions have grown up to become useful and respected citi? zens, Iteforrlng to the detalled work? lng of children's Instltutlons, ho strongly advocated the element of play ns mos: e&sentlal In tho development of the chlld, asking for a return to tho nld-titshioiibd outdoor gaines, whlch unllsteii tlm iinaglnation atul actlvl? ties, In preff.renco to tho modern gym vuisium, with its fonual exercises. WILL MEET TO CONSIDRIl I,OCAl, PAIITV IHA.NA0iI3.MENT WABHENTON, VA., May 8.?A mass meotlng of tho Democratlc voters at Beinlngton Product has boen caileit for Saturday, May lllth, to glvo ex presslon to the present party manage mont ln tne county,' nllaglng that as nt prosont ccnstltuiod, lt does not re pord tho will of tho massea, but only n few who wlsh to furthor porpotuato tholr hold 011 tho pnrty for thelr own selilsh dosigns, whlch are 'eontrary to tho princlples of Doinocraey, Tho call ls slgncil hy N. \v. Ilodlngor, ,1, it. Culp, ,1, F. Shepporcl, XV. IX. llumo. Ilugh tiamlltoii, .Ir.. C, li. Wllllngham, tl. C, Bowon and 0. T. Kuihrey, SIISS IIAIIIIII-T FCI.SIBH, SIAVOIt OF BOSTON' AXI) HIS PARTY. HON7 XV. II. WHITTAKEB, S'uprrMitrtiilcnt of Vfatting NurseiT An- t.rtt to rlg-hti Sllns SInry Boyle O'Bell |%v, Slr. Herbert S. f'nrrutb, Sllns SInry A. Durkrn, Slsyor Georete A. Illhhnrd, Siiporliitendoiit of ludliinn Beformniory norlatlon, of fblesKo, prominent nmohK Sllnn Adelnide Illhhnrd, n? .lenYrnoiiYllle, jiroinlncnt r.aione npi-nkom j-enferdny. Picture taken by Tlmes-Dlspatch staff pliotographcr. npenkern ycslerday. RALLY TO DEFENSE OF OLD-AGE PENSION PLAN Attack by Insurance Statistician Arouses Mayor of Boston ancf Other Prominent Delegates?Some Live Dis . cussion at Section on Statistics. Wlthout being here in person to de fcnd his positioii, Froderlck I.. Hoff. man, statls'ticlan of tbc Prudontial Llfd Insurance Company, attacked thc sys? tem of old-ago ponsiong In a paper presented to llic Section on Statistlcs of Iho Natlonal Conferenco yesterday. Bolng unable to attend, Mr. Hoffman sent his addross, which was rond by Chalrman John Ivoren. expert spei-la! agent of thc Unlted StntOH Census Bu rcau, Hin statement that thr bounty remove- mnny Inccntivos for tbrlft wns assalled on all sldes. Mayor Ilibbard, of Bnstnn. and othors tnking particular oxccptlon to that opinion. Mr. Hoffman was rather liberal in the monthly allowances, nafnlng X5 a weok as tho average. He showed that thls sum. paid to all persons in the l'nlted States ovor slxty years of age, would invnive on expendlture ot $434, 000.000 annually. Mr. Rosowell Page. a member of the A'irginia House of Delegates from Hanover county, sald the board of suporvlsors had found lhat lls approprlatlon to aged mon and women, supptemented by supplies from merchants nnd others. was Insigniti cant. not being moro than *$"> a month, hut It onablod theso peopie'to maintaln themselves outslde thc almshouse. \-.Miiiloii ln l nivl-c. Holding that agltation of tbe ponsion system is unwlso, Mr. Hoffman dls? cussed the subject of old age ns the causo of poverty. saying thnt It 1" a world-wido condition and re'iuiros at? tentlon at the hands of the charity societies of the Stntes. "Tho problem Whlch cbtlfronta society." he continued, "is whether what ls to bo done for the agod poor should rest on a sound eco nomic basls. rather than that the cir puiristan'ces should bo govorned by irra ti'onnl and precarlous sontimont. The subject of Stato pensions in old age is attrnctln'g a conslderable amount of attentlon tn tbe Unlted States, nnd a specinl commission has been appolnted in Massachusetts to examine Into its practicability In that .Stnte. In AA'is consln, Illlnols; Florida and other Statos attentlon is belng glvon to the subject of Stnte insurnnce upon a vol? untary and compulsory basls. In Eng? land the investigation.**' and reporls find thelr most radical embodlmont in tho schome of Charles Booth for froe nnd unlvcrsal old-age pensions. beginning wltli the age of slxty-ftve, for an amount of $1.20 a week." Poverty Duo to Siiunndcrlng. Dlscusslng the technlcal problems of the systems ln Germany and Austria, and tlie system in England, Mr. Hoff? man held that tlie contrlbuting pensior. scheme is the only working solution, addlng that measures and means by whicli the State system can bo avolded would be more preferable. Ho said that much more could be done lf the worklng poople were educated in ef? fective methods of thrift. "I hold," he naid, "lhat the n-.ilnl lon for Stnte peuslnnn lu tlie Unlted Stntes In 111-ndvlned In that the problem of poverty iu old.ngo, nn generally met wltli, l? prlmnrlly the renult of 111 speut yenrs, or M-speut enrnings, or lll-spcut Mnvlugii, nnd whnt In needed most ln rntloiinl .educatlon in bounehold ccnnoinlcN. Tbc n-rltntion for old-age pensions ln truth nnd In fnct him not come froni those wlio would he the beneflelaries under the proposed meas? ures or plans, hut rather from tho_*}_ who feel atrougly, hut rennon badly, upon the fncts of the ease, "The chlef safeguurd against poverty and dependence In old age Is a thor? oughly sound nnd well-conducted fam? ily life, such as prevails in the pre ponderatlng majority of Anierican homes. In thls truly lies the strength of tlie people, and not ln the money in tlie banks, nor, for that matter. ln policies of Insurance, or In contracts o( annultles, All these are menns to an end, but at the root of the problem of poverty and old age lies the proper conception of Individual responslblllty, nnd this. .no doubt would be weakened and partly destroyed by relianco upon State support ln old age." Mayor Hlbbnrd for Old Men. AVlth the statomont that he had come here to learn, Mayor George A. Hlb? bnrd, of Boston, attacked the assertion of Mr. Hoffman that old-ago pensions destroy the Incentive for thrift among working poople. "I am dlsappointod wltli Mr. lloffman's paper," sald Mayor Ilibbard. "My eight years' experience ds pustmaster convlnces mo that 1 can declnre unquallftedly for tho old-age penslon, especially for governmont em? ployes, whlch would mean tho saving of money. About tlio question of city employes I am not so woll Informed. Before leaving Boston I dlrected lhat a llst of old employes be secured. To dny niy~ prlvato secretary telegraplied me lhat thero were 700 men working for Ihe clty who aru more thnn slxty years old. Thls wholo question ln volvos a serlous problem. llow Is tho dny laborer golng to Have money for hls doclining yenrs whon tho cost of living 1* so great nnd wagos'aro at tlm nilniinum? "Vou must do one of three things? pension the old mnn. carry him on the pay roll or dlscharge him. As Mayor of Roston I wlll hot dlscharge him, and will contlnue to carry hlm on the pay roll at the expense of tlie tax payers. I have taken up the general subject wlth labor leaders; but wlthout ,-Tceompllshing anythlng. Llke Judge Mack. nf Chlcago. I am an optlmlst, and belleve we pan work out thls problem in the Interest of the clty and the State." Prnixrd Rlchmond Society. Ma;. ur llihhnrd oxpressed thc. hope that tho conference next year would have mpro general sesslons aml fewer scctfons. "I wanted to attend so many of thc latter." be said. "that 1 liave been ? trotflng around to-day liko a Jumplng jack. N'ext year I hope to extend an invitation for you to meet wlth us in l?lo. Wo are'cleaning up Boston. and When you come you will Ihlnk that we hnve a monopoly on Sapollo. I dld not know untll 1 camo here that Massaehusetts bad appolnted ati old-aire pension commission. "Thls morning my party had break? fast wlth Mrs. X. V. Bandolpb. whose husband was a C'onfe.^>rate ofTlcer, and from her I learned that tho TV^crt E. Loc Au.xlHnry hnd spent $23,000 wlth? out one cent of eNpense. It seems to me that we in the North mlght c,n:u late that example." Oolnp After HofTman. Mr. H. .1. Martin. of New Vork. who supported the views as oxpressed by Mayor lfIbbard. said that Charles Booth. to whom Mr. Hoffman referred, hud found that poverty was due to old age itself. and not to thriftlessness. Tho capacity of the workman' to do without rellef."on account of his savings, waB abundantly Justlfled, he said, In the re? cent period of flnanclal depresslon. Mr. Martin sald that Mr. Hoffman had swelled ahnormally the cost of pen slons when ho named $5 a week as the mlnlmum standard. Dr. J. H. Stolper, of Oklahoma. and Professor F. XV. Blackmar. of thc Unl? verslty of Kansas. advocated the pen? sion system. Professor Kelsey, of the Unlverslty of Pennsylvanla. who touched upon It In passing, dlscredlted thc correctness of statlstlcs, lncludlng those prepared by the government. The report of .Chalrman Koren. whlch was malnly technlcal and statlstical, wns read and adopted. "The Misuse of Statlstlcs" was the subject of an address by Miss Kate Hol llday Claghorn. statlsticlan of the Ten cment House Department. of New York. "It ls tlme." she said, "that some sort of a critical pruning-knll'e be ap? plled to tho wlld luxuriance of the statlstical jungle outslde of offlclal boundaries." She urged co-operation in thp general work. Drowned ln Enrlj- Morning. NOBFOLK. VA.. May 8.-?A man by the name of Slmmons, employed by the Coastwlse Dredglng Company as n j barge hand. sllpped overboard In the I harbor just before clay 'this morning ond was drowned. The body has not been recovered. THREE PROMINENT CHARITY WORKERS MR. ril.l.VK ,1. lilll \u, HON. THOMAS M. JIVlJll', Oll. OIIABIiHS fiOHST, ot L'oluruilo Suriuiis, Col, uf Sew Vork, l'rcultlvllt, vjl lli-udntn, Wls, CENTRAL 818 Mlll. OE EDERAL F Irideterminate Sentence of Criminals Strongly Advo? cated in the Discussion. Prisoners Must Work. Declarlng in favor of a board of con trol for thc management of Fcderal prlson.-. Chalrman W. 11. Whittaker, superlntendent of the Indlana State Be formatory at .Icffersonville. led a dis? cusslon before the dlvlslon on crlmlnals yesterday niornlng In thc hall of tlio House of Delegates. on the general toplc, "Dlsciplme and Kmploymcnt of Cnlted States Prlsoners." ''Legislation for tho control, manage nient and lmprovement of the I'nlted Slates government penltcntlarles ls slow and unwleldy." said Mr. Whit? taker. "Undor the present system thls matter is in thc hands of a committee of Congress. composed of men burdened wlth other affalrs. men who have sel? dom. :f ever, boen In any of thc prlsons under their control. and who have, ln many cnses.i hut little practicaI knowl? edge of prlson system, dlsclpllne or roiitinc. "Legislation by this system is neces sarily slow. Many of the most needed reforms walt for years for the neces? sary authorlty of a busy Congress. The people who nre In touch wlth condi? tions in Unlted States prlsons aro sel? dom. if ever. consulted by the congres? sionai commlttee. Personally I would much prefer a board of control for the management of all Unlted States prls? ons?a board wlth broad powers both of lnspectlon and management. Prisoner* nml Work. Mrs. Foster. of Washlngton clty, dls? cussed government reformatorios aud the methods of Inducing work, telllng of a Western institution which lias re? cently bought 1,000 acres of land and put lts men to ditchlng and farmlng. She held that all ablc-bodied Inmates of institutions should hnve employ? ment. and declared that work ls the salvatlon of the prisoner. and Idleness the purse of tho jail system. Contin ulng, she told of the system In one reformatory, where each lnmate is put at a rock pllo and fed according to th'; amount of rock he breaks. A lazy and lndolent man is not forced to labor, ?but Is fed only on the barest necessl tles of llfe, while a more industrious prisoner, who ls wlllltig to work, ts kept ln comfort. Mrs. Foster con? cluded: "lf only llie world would' learn to understand that cconomlcs atul rellglon are one, that all real work for the beltermeiu of man ls that whlcli all lovers of souls should be engaged ln, the results would come." Inileternilniite Senlcuee. "In the discusslon whlch followed. and ln whlch a number of speakers took part. the Indeternilnate sentence MAY URGE CONGRESS TO CREATE HEALTH BOARD Dr. Lindley Says. Cohstitution Must Be Amendcd-il Nec.es sary?Bad Housing, Next to Drink, as Gorrupting Influence. . tseiore tnis conferenee anjourns i hopo it wlll tako sultable actlon nnd urge the United States government to establlsh a Natlonal Department of Health." sald Dr. Walter I.iiidley, of Los Angeles. chairman of tho Public Health Sectlon, at Its mcetlng yester? day; "I do not believe that It.will requlro an ainendment to thc Constl? tutlon, but If It does. wo ought to seek lhat. The country certainly needs thls department, I do not agree wlth thc theory that wo must let the gqye.nn.cht movo in an casy-golng fashion. as some one suggested tho othor day. We want new things, even' lf it does stir up the country; wo want to do Justlcc to the suffering poople of thls country." Dr. Llndley's statemont followed an addross b.v Dr. .1. II. Stolper. of Okla? homa. in whicli bo polnted out the fact that tho Unlted Statos Is tho only coun? try wlthout a systematlc health or? ganlzatlon. S'.lnn Pnlnier en Hcfnrm. Though ndmlttlng thnt drunkenness Icads the llst of causes for tho neces? slty of reform work, Miss Harrlet Fill mer, superlntendent of the Visiting Xurses' Association of Chicago, who dlscussed "Bad Houses and Soclal Be form." malntalned that tho houslng conditions came noxt to tho wholesale use of liquor as a corruptlng Influence. ?-'Two-thlrdS of thc reform measures whlch nre yearly talked over at the N'ationa: Conforence of Charltles bear upon bad houslng conditions." sho sald. "Two-thlrds of tbc dolinquent children come froni homes where bad nnd poor vehtilation predominates* two-thlrds of the physically ill chlldren: one-third of tlie mentally dedcient chlldren:' one third of tlic shlftless mothers; two thlrds of the dosertlng fathers, come from tlio same homes. "Houslng reform is not a local ef? fort; it is a great natlonal projilom. It touches close to the practlcal solution of the great AVhlte Plaguo. It means moral, decont cltlzenshlp. Some ex? cellent work has boen done by th';* tenement house committee of New of prisoners was strongly udvocated. One of the speakers sald: "I am opposed to the release of ap? parently unreformed prisoners merely becau--a thelr term ls up. Such people should not be turned loose on society. We don't take an Insane man to the asylum and demand that they curo him ln six months or a year, or any other deflnite time, and then turn hlm loose. whether that cure has been effected or not." Mr. V.'illson. of AVashington. D. C, objected to tho district jail system. be? cause there was no employment, nelther industrial nor educational work bolng provlded. In the larger prisons tlle reason given is that many of tlie small? er county jails hnve but a few Inmates, and cannot afford to keep up sliops and places of employment for their men. Mr. Willson said tlie time would soon come when the governmont would have a model penltentlary in Wash? ington. Government prisoners from that clty are now taken to other States for inoatcerntion. York, the Clty Homes Association nf Chlcago. thc commlttee of ono hundred on publlc health. Thcse ? movements are elther local or Interested in all tlu 'sources aflecting publlc health. What wo want ln order lo iiwakon national Interest and wldo-spread reform Is onr great movement wlth houslng refonr as lts only speclflc purpose. All thi: work should be'under municipal con? trol, but untii thc public consci'enee lt awakched we aro not going to mnkc any groal strldes ln reforming condl? tlons.-' Sninc .StrlkhiK Tlintights. Miss Fiilmer gavo theso striking scntenccs: "IlouMlug reform ir. not a Inenl nffnlr. M In u grent nnllonnl problem. Ii louehi-M close home lo the pittlictli ntury <if thc grent IVIille PInguc. II iih-iiiik dcccnl, mornl cttl/.cnxhlp. "Two-tblrdH uf Ilu- need for eorrec. tlve nnd reform mensnrcn would lu done nwny wlth If we saw lo It tluil llie nhjects or our concern luul decenl Miinltnry llvlng; place*. "Flrat nl?l tn the Injured reiiiedlc nres -Fonrlc** lirnllli nrtlclnl* In ever; cniumunll.v) n publle lienldi coiiiiuit te< in every Clty Councll.'* Whnt Vlrglnln Has IJone. Captaln \Y. XV. Baker, of Chesterfield a memt'cr of the Vlrginia House oi Delegates, spoko briefly. Hc saitl tha: no subject appealed to tho people. ol thls State wlth more force than thal relatlng to health condltlons. llo ex? plained the recent law by which the sum of $10,000 was approprlated foi the Stato Health Commisslon. "We art beglnnlng tho most Important work that was ever started In Vlrginia," sale Captaln Baker. "We do not mind spendlng mlllions fnr educatlon, and ] would not crltlclze that: but heretofore we have done practlcally nothing foi thc care of thf health of those whom wc educate." There was a general discusslon oi tin- slum question, one of the speakers saylng that tho cltles are oulldlng more thnn they clean. tho idea, as ex pressed. belng that tho States musl bulld cities without these low quarters SET FlltlO TO BUILDING. Men Adinll Hnvlug Done So ln Show Tlieir Servh-e* Were Needed. [Speclal to The Tlmi>.--Uispatch.J NOUFOLK, VA.. .Mny S.?Firemen C. S. Broughton. .1. F. Sharp, Julius Storz, V. M. Huffman, Edward Bryson and A. li. Thrall, of the Kxposltlon Depart? ment, were to-day ordered held hy Justice Backus for the Norfolk county grand jury'on the charge bf'nrson, lt being charged tliat they set flre to the Phlllpplne vlllage. It Is declnred lhat Sharp nnd Broughton have confessed to the crlme and will be allowed to turn State's evidence ln Ihe forthcoming trlal. It Is declared that the fire wa.s started because of the threat to cut down the flre flghtlng force at the grounds, tbe men wlshlng to create the idea that tho men wero needed. IIOSIMTAI, UOAltD M13I2TS. (Vuestlnn <>f Eplleptlc Colony (n Be Tnken I p lu .1 unc. [Spoclal to The Tlmos-Dispatch. 1 WILLIA.MSBUBd". VA., May 8.? The General Board of Virginia Insane llos pitals and the special board for tha Fastern Stute Hospltal met here yes? terday nfternoon. After general rou tino business was finished tho question of an eplleptlc colony was taken up, but postponed untll a speclal meeting In June. Leave was grnnted to Dr. O. C. Bruhk lo attend a meetlng in Clnclnnatl of Siipoiiiiiendents nf Asylums. A'ftar huslness was finished tlu- bourd divid? ed Inlo four coVnmlttefcs to Inspeci the buildings. The reports showed thnt all Is In good condition. ' SIFFOI.K'S MF.MOIMAI, DAV. Mv, Wlllu'i-s Makes n Cuptlvatlng Ad? dress Wholly ln Verse. ISpccliil io Thu Tliiie?-DI?ptttch,.l SUFFOLK, VA., May S.?Confederate Momorlal Day was observed here thi I iii'ternouii, all business beJng suspeml I cil nfter i o'clock iii nuisnapoe of. Way; or N'oiileoi's piiiclaiiiatjiui. Following a parade of veterans, ml? lltla and school cadets; tlieiv was an oraiion In Cedar nll Cemetery bv As? sembly Delegates Bobprt Walter With? ers, wlio was introduced hy Command er \'. S. K'ilhy. of Ihe.Tiiin Snillh I'ainp ri'lui entiro address of nbout tr?u llnos was ln verse. state Commander W. ll stewart, f Portsmouth, also mado a short address. hus Issued a cluirtor to thc Nm 'th Ur.iiicli I'lii'iH.ratliiii, Norfolk. Jnn. T. llulton, presideul; l-'laiu-is Ulchii'dsiiti. socretnry uud ucasurcr; , Adiulril Hiiiiklcv- ill of Norfolk CupItul; iMiCiiumui. f.'IO.OiU); iuiniuui.il. .?Ji?,<? >*? >. Objccis: ileul cataio Imaltiesa, Organizations Have Been Forced to Let Down Bars During Past Few Months. Berofo iho es, lll the bl ipal Cliur.-h ?resting pi Section on Needy Faml im'fihi of st. Paul's i-ipis estonl.-ty mornlng. ,111 m ?r on "Liniitutinns -if Charlty in Donling Wlth the Hnom pl'oyod" wns rend hy sir. Porter lt. i-oo. :.etary nf thd Charlty Organlzatlon Society of Buffalo. Many'prominent: chuVoh and charlty workers of Rlch-: mond were present, the hall heing fllledj to lt-i caparlty. In tlie dlscusslon whlrlv followed tlic formal paper. and whlch was opened i>>- Miss Bylngton, of Pltts-] burg, there was referenco to a consid erable change In Industrial condltlons durlng tho past twelve months. a rriucll] larger number uf people belng out of i worlc ih,ui ln former years, wlth a cor-j respon'dlngly heavlcr demand on ibe' resources of tlie chnrlty organizations.! In many citles llte dlctuni of the or- i gnnlzed charltles lhat an ablebodled man must work has been almost lm* I posslble ot enforcement, whon thero I was no work to be obtained, and to prevenl actual starvatlon nnd suffer? ing, thc bars havo beon lowered. Tbc rncntjiloyeil. Slr. Lee dealt wltli this plinse ot thff subject at some length. presentlng es? timates as to tho number of thc un-: employed. He continued: "Without attdmpting to present any' accurate figures, it is still Iposslbtc to indlcate tlic rxtcnt of uiiemploynienlj last wlnter. Tho Now A'ork State De? partment of Labor reported -2,G27 uniort workmen uneinployed on December "1, 1907, whicli was "!.'-' per cent. of th_ totnl uniort membershlp rcporting., Later figures aro unavallabte, So fn* us ls practlca'ble, tlio homeloss maS nnd tbe wandorer hns heen ollniin.-itcdj; from thls dlscusslon nnd from thoso ligtiros. Tho charlty organlzatlon socl- j otles hnve reported an increase In thelr work wlth famllles, ns follows: Buf? falo. 100 per cont.: Cincinnatl, -75 per ccnt.; Cleveland, 100 per cent.; Mlnne apolls, 30 per ccnt.; Newark, --1 per ] cent.: New Vork. 50 per cont.: Phila? delphla, 267 por cent.; Provldence. 313 per cent.: St. Louis, 43 por cent.; St. Paul, f,0 per ccnt.: Sprlnglleld, GS per ccnt. ; , "Al the outsot we nre facod wlth tha Impossibillty of reachlng causes.' Tho triumpii of modern phllanthropy! Its domlnant note, ns Dr. Dcvlno has dc cluieil. Is Its inslstence upon tiie re? movnl nf causes, Individual nml social. as iis moat Important work. The causes of tbo unusual uncniploymcnt or last wlnter wero Intricate nud dlfflcult to dcllne. ? "Some of the moro important factors affectlng tlic situation wero sum ! marlzod hy Frank Julian AVcrne ln a [report ln the New York Charlty Or tganlzatlcn Society in January, as fol? lows: I "1. The ilnanclal strlngoncy. ".. The usual dl.splaccment of labor ln wlnter, aggravatod by thc genorai check to pioducllon. resultlng from the shutting down in whole or in part of maiiufacturlng plants. "3. Tho 'order' system of production, whlch in mnny enses has stipplanted 'stock' productlon, nnd tends to mako dniployinent lesa secure. "I. bvt-rstocklng of goods by rotail ors. due to falluro of cool weather last summer to clenr tholr stock of spring goods. rctardlng production at this sea? son. ",1. Presldential year. Other Dlniciiltlcn. "A second llmltatlon Is the dlfflculty of npplylng the princlp.es of organlzed charlty in a tlmo of unusual unem? ployment. Investigation and adequate rolief funds are fundanientiil. Thls past wlnter hns required of mnny societies two and three times tlio work foi* whlch they nre nornially equipped. "Tho functlon of an ablebodled man is solf-support. tlirough labor. Char? ltable relief. except with chronic do- | pehdents, Is nothing but a temporary ald in buildlng up phy.slcal and moral strength, with wliich the dependent famlly may ultlmately achio.vo self i support. Aftor n mun is physieally and morally fit to caro for his famlly. ho cannot safely recelve charltable rellef. "Another dlfflculty was oncountered by those wlio direct thls work in tho number of people whom it attracts to tlio clty. Thero ls n differenee of opln? lon ns to the valuo of relief work, whlch we are not llkely to settle off hand. Many leaders In social work be? lieve direct relief tor tlie ablebodled to bo dangerous, Others believe that, j bad as direct relief i.s. relief given through unnecessary or underpald work ls more demorallzing. ! "A thlrd llmltatlon of charlty In i deallng wlth unemployment is the dlffl culty of reachlng famllles who do not know the wny to n rellef society. or whose self-respect deters thom from npplylng. Tlie Infuslon pf warm hdartedness into systematld charltable work has not been nble to remove en I tirely the sense of humlllatlpn which I accompanies ciependence upon eharita I ble rellef, "A fourth llmltatlon is. perhaps, more speeulatlvo than real. Tt'is tho effect on wages of efforts to re-ostabllsh thn dependent unoiuployed tn lndustry. as industrial operatlons are resumed. In I tlie. first place. we mny well question whether in fnlrncss a society should not wlthhold all efforts to secure work I for Its beneflclarles untll after those wlio have weiUhered tho storin without charltable ald havo found work. Th-i latter are undoubtedly entltled to mora credit. But tho very dependance of tho former makes hls case tha moro urgent. Cbarity Hns Done AWll. "I do not believe thal ii .i-li.irltnhlo ! society does more liiiport-.iut work thnn j Uint at faihlliarizing the public wlth i soclal conditions that need n remedy. j Only ln this way can soclal workers reach thfi causes of unemployment; ' While the past year has shown' cor ! tain llmltations, lt has nlso shown strong oftectlvo work, Largely througli the members of this and kindly dlstrlbuli relleyed an Imnieit-" fering and prevented m. the widn u-ity has 'Th iph rally I ?haritj eurlous lnqulry tion. has ben , aomobddy why nn dost .piioi'ti.rilti illdllMli.l lll" | charltable .?ontilhtiil'n..- sl decronsd in other expi nd lll-considered charlty biirl porl of d?tn,hltshed agimVifl tnot-t effective. work; whv Whlch this winler's ci'i-i-i should be inuilc COIlttlUU benellt of thoso ls normal. ln splt.- < t-lwrlt}; hus dono well ? f Its llmllal'on.i,