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De Rosier Offers to Race Eddie
Lingenfelder, Anyhow, but the
Latter's Machine Declared
Out of Fix
There was another fluke at the Coli
seum yesterday. It may not bo charged
up to the management, for the weather
man was probably as much to blame
aa any one else In the world, and his
Murk of the past week locally and in
ths lurronuding country has been of
tlio most despicable order, but at 2
o'clock yesterdfty afternoon Undo
Sam's minion of the weather bureau
pulled the string and let down from
the heavily clouded skies a few re
minders of just the miserable kind of
showers he has been indulging the
country with the past week, until the
management took a peek at the big
raindrops, and with keen knowledge
Uiat raring in the rain was not of the
kind conducive to big gate receipts,
decided that it would be better to post
pone the events scheduled for the day
for another week, in the hope that a
week hence the weather prophet might
have reformed with the new year and
permit some of the glorious and ac
customed sunshine to pour forth upon
riders and spectators.
The handsomely uniformed members
<>C the band were there to tickle the
earn of the waiting multitude. The
express wagons had hauled the silent
racing machines to the track. The
ticket sellers were ready to hand out
iiie pasteboards. The people began
to come in large numbers. But the
rain came, too, and Manager Kramer
announced that the races would be
postponed for another week.
That this was a mistake there can
be no doubt, for such has been the ex
citement worked up over the 100-mile
event among the five fastest motor
cycle riders, and especially the con
tention that exists between Jake De
Hosier and Eddie Lingenfelder, that
the people fifteen minutes after the
announcement of the meet's postpone
ment, that the street cars poured forth
their overcrowded numbers until one
Of (lie largest crowds of the season
was there, even with their unbrellas
and rain coats, prepared to see the
daring riding of the men. whether- it
poured down rain by the bucket.
Two o'clock was the hour set for
the races to begin, and when that
hour had arrived the three grand
stands were more than comfortably
filled, notwithstanding the crowds ar
riving were turned back at the stop
ping of the cars and at the gates
with the announcement that the races
were off for the day. Fifteen minutes
delay upon the part of the manage
ment and the danger of rain would
have been absolutely gone, and one
of the biggest crowds of the season
would have witnessed the races.
However, a conversation with Jake
De nosier found that plucky, nervy
rider ready to go on with the race
for the stakes in the hands of the
stakeholder and permit the crowd to
pee the race without the payment of
the entrance price. This proposition
wan submitted to Eddie Lingenfelder,
who already had gone to his dressing
room and it was found that his racing
oars had left the grounds. This was
true also of De Hosier's machines, but
the Frenchman offered to send tor
his machines and have them brought
back, which he did, and still offered to
go against Lingenfelder at 4 o'clock
which would have bfcen about the
hour they would have ridden on the
regular program.
But while these ceremonies were on
it was found that Lingenfelder had left
the grounds. In the meantime De Ro
sh r's machines had been returned to
the park, and after consultation with
him he donned his racing uniform, his
machines taken inside the grounds,
and when the Frenchman made his
appearance he was received with
rounds of applause. Taking his place
upon the track, he stated that he
would give the people an exhibition
practice run of ten or fifteen miles,
and mounting his splendid racing ma
chine was off on his customary speed
and showed to the public what they
Blight expect in the way of burning
up the miles in a 100-mile contest.
In a conversation with B. P. Blair,
the motorcycle expert, last night, that
Kcntleman explained to The Herald
"that he and his force had worked
all last night on the machine and
had her in the fittest kind of condi
tion, but in transporting the racer to
the Coliseum on the wagons the mag
neto of the machine had been bumped
and injured and still further damaged
when taken inside the grounds by dis
placing the rod, and that he in part
was responsible for the non-appear
ance of Lingenfelder to go into the
race in the condition in which the car
then was, and had advised Eddie not
to take the chances on the track with
the machine as she was after these
Later an Interview with L,ingenfel
rirr was had, and Eddie corroborated
the statements of Mr. Blair, adding
that as the races had been postponed
by the management the repairs to the
machine had not been made, as they
Si Spark?
If you'll step into our place we'll show it to you, and you will see
the reason your car will have so much increased power as to save
you greatly on fuel.
A demonstration will convince you that the Seeley Ignition
System is the greatest invention of the age.
H. Fleetwood & Co.
Columbia New Series Model Showing
Torpedo Body Newest Lines in Autos
■'•■: ■•-... • ;■ _;*
might have been, had the proposition
of running anyhow later been made
known to him. And further that he
had spent $250 on the machine getting:
her into shape of his own money, and
did not feel justified in taking chances
of wrecking the N. S. U. entirely, aa
he might have done had he gone on
the track."
Lingenfelder then said: "I will be on
the track next Sunday to meet De
Rosier, and you may believe me that
I am more anxious than De Rosier to
meet him, and I will drive the race of
my life at that time to take the honors
away from Jake."
These statements are presented just
as made, for the benefit of the splendid
gathering present to see these two
rivals in their contest for supremacy,
because the public is entitled to know
all of the facts, which The Herald
gives as it finds them.
De Rosier, calm, cool, confident as
ever, also talked with The Herald last
night. Jake is a man of silence and
has never much to say. His remarks
simply were: "I was there to make
the race. The management declared
the races off, and that settled it, but
so far as I am concerned I stand ready
to meet Lingenfelder at any moment,
and after my machines had been sent
home, showed my willingness to go
against him there and then for the
side bet we posted of $100 and sent
downtown for my cars prepared to go.
I presume I cannot meet Llngenleder
until next Sunday now, but when the
race Is over the public will be best
able to judge who is the champion of
the racing track.
"I expect to leave very shortly for
Honolulu where I have engagements
and would like to settle matters with
Lingenfelder before leaving, so that
there may remain no doubt in the
minds of the public, which has been
kind to me, since coming to Los An
geles. That's all.
"If Lingenfelder still believes he can
beat me on the racing track, 'all he has
to do is put up his money that he may
wish to wager with The Herald, and
advise me, when I will be on hand
mighty promptly to cover whatever
bet he may make. I put up my money
first, for yesterday, and all he has to
do, is show his pile, when I will be
there to mifke it good."
It was an unfortunate postponement
as it turned out, but with the feeling
of rivalry which exists between these
two riders, next Sunday will witness
the fiercest afforts of both men when
they get on the track together.
Will Leave Retail Business of Ac
cessories to Devote Attention
Wholly to Special Lines
One of the largest motor supply
houses on the Pacific coast has an
nounced that it is now making a
change in the business which it for
merly conducted. The Moore Motor
Supply company has decided to dis
continue Its retail business and re
taining its present spacious quarters,
devote the entire attention of its sell
ing force to the wholesale trade, doing
business wholly with the automobile
The lines which the firm will rep
resent are among the largest, best
known and most substantial on the
American continent, and embrace Mon
ogram oils, "Witherbee batteries, Buck
eye cleanser soap, Holley carbureters,
X & W magnetor and other just as
important lines.
The Moore Motor Supply company
has enjoyed in a retail way a very
large and ever-increasing patronage
through the most excellent work and
popularity of E. J. Thibault, the local
manager, who has by his energy and
devotion to the business of the concern
established it thoroughly among ah
those with whom he came in contact.
The concern will undoubtedly largely
increase tin; business of the firm in
Its new departure of carrying on a
wholesale business exclusively.
Race Results, of Course, Prove Noth.
ing Unless Model Is Strictly a
Stock Car, a True Show.
ing of Makes
No automobile manufacturer, auto
mobile engineer or automobile driver
of experience doubts for a moment
the value of track racing if the cars
used in track races are strictly stock
machines. Track racing discloses the
weaknesses of construction, design, ma
terial and workmanship as no other
test possibly can. Every manufact
urer who has participated in both en
durance tours and races will admit
that the race brings out every weak
ness that the tour can develop and a
whole lot more.
The tour has a fixed schedule de
signed to prevent racing at high
speed, consequently the driver can at
all times favor his car, as all ho needs
la sufficient power and a low enough
gear to make all the hills and pull
through heavy roads. When he strikes
a particularly hard bit of going the
schedule will as a rule permit of his
nursing the car over this bad going.
Conservative, intelligent driving will
generally pull a. car through the aver
age tour with a more or less degree
of success.
But In racing the car is given merci
less strain at top speed. Not lonly
must it stand the terrific strain on
every part produced by the application
of all the power the machine has and
the consequent racking of machinery
moving at lightning speed, but it
must meet the fierce impact, the pound
of the road surface.
An obstruction that would not bo
noticed at ten miles an hour becomes a
terrific jar at a speed of eighty miles
an hour. If there is a little mistake
in design, a trifling weakness in ma
terial or if there has been the slightest
neglect in workmanship, it will show
very quickly when the car is driven at
a speed of eighty or ninety miles an
The legitimate purpose of racing,
therefore, is not the advertising ob
tained by winning, though that is a
great incentive to the manufacturer,
but the development of correct design
and construction, which comes by elim
inating the weaknesses disclosed in
racing. Of all marvelous progress
made in* automobile construction it is
safe to say that one-half at least is
due to the correction of these weak
nesses which have been developed In
As to the question of the relative
merits of road races, track races and
i speedway races, when it Is a question
| between a road course and mile track
built for horse races, the advantage
is all with the road course, for obvious
reasons. But we are now building
speedways, such as Brooklanda, in
England, the Indianapolis motor speed
way and the Atlantic automobile
speedway, thus far completed, and the
many new speedways that are pro
jected in this country.
Tlie advantage undoubtedly lies with
the speedway. The time made on the
j speedways thus far greatly exceeds
| that made on the road courses, with
j the single exception of the natural
straightaway track at Daytonu Beach,
Florida. While there have been some
, ;i<>< uftrits on the speedways, the causes
i nf these accident* have bean discov
ered and corrected and without a
doubt speedway races will be decidedly
| safer in the future than they have
been in the past.
The question of the best sort of sur
face to use is still an open one. Cement
has gone to pieces at Brooklands. An
nsphaltum mixture proved only fairly
good at Atlanta, and elny paving bricks
.He being tested at the Indianapolis
motor speedway. From all indications
it would seem that the brick surface
j is the best, but it is safe to predict
that, if it is not the best, the proper
surface will soon be found.
When all speedways are properly
graded from the actual track surface
to the infield and are properly banked
on the outer edges the danger of speed
way racingl will brt. reduced to a mini
mum. It certainly is much less dan
gerous at present than road racing,
and undoubtedly is the best possible
test for the car. In road racing there
are turns which must be taken at
slower speed, and the car gets pome
relief from the terriPc strain in mak
ing these turns, but on a properly
constructed speedwuy t.heiv will he -ib
■olutely no letup in speed from the
start to finish of racing- except where
tivp changes are necessary
Race results, of course, prove noth
ing about the stability or value of a
car unless it is a strictly stock model,
in nil respects representntU [ a man
ufacturer's product, for I specially
built racing- car, designed [or the pur
pose of withstanding hard usurp that a
c.ir must withstand under such comii-
tions, is not a representative of the
product turned out by the manufac
turer for the trade.
In my opinion there should be an ad
ditional clause in the official definition
of a stock car. The identical car in
the race should bo for sale at the list
price of the stock model. There have
been many cases, as we all know,
where specially constructed cars of
special material have been entered and
driven as strictly stock models. Under
these conditions the manufacturer who
actually enters a strictly stock model
is working at a disadvantage, for if
his stock model does not withstand the
rough usage quite as well as the spe
cially built car, his product is criti
cised. On the other hand, in many
cases it is assumed that he is doing
just Hke the other fellow, namely, rac
ing a specially built car which is not
an exact representative of his product.
Crew Reach Safety, but Lascars Re.
turn to Doomed Vessels to Get
Money and Perish
LONDON, Jan. 2.—The British steam
ers Ayreshire, for Durban, and the Ar
cadian, for Glasgow, collided in a fog
this morning in the Irish channel. The
Arcadian sank in five minutes.
All her crew scrambled aboard the
Ayreshire, but twelve Lascars returned
to get their money and were lost.
The Ayreshire had 200 passengers
aboard. She was badly damaged, but
tugs towed her to Holyhead.
The Unwarranted Attack
of the Local "Licensed" Dealers Is Proving
a Boomerang, Injuring Themselves Only
The public is thoroughly disgusted with their wholesale knocking
of their fellow-tradesmen in this city.
These knockers were not compelled, nor even asked, to attack the
Independent Dealers by the Association of Licensed Automobile Manu
facturers, nor individually by the manufacturers they represent. In
no other city of the United States has such action been taken by the
dealers in "licensed" cars.
The sole effect on the local buying public, who are not bothering
their heads about patent squabbles. is to create a general distrust of
the automobile industry and retard its progress for themselves. EVERY
A prominent sales manager of one of the "licensed" manufacturers
stated to his Los Angeles representative that, in his opinion, the action
of these seceders from the local Dealers' Association, who are now
warning the public against the Independent Dealers, IS THE MOST
A well-known official of "GENERAL MOTORS," which is a com
bination of a number of "licensed" automobile manufacturers, strongly
deprecated this act of treachery, characterizing it as "the height of
foolishness and sure to react on its originators."
A number of dealers in "licensed" cars in this city refuse to join
the mischief-makers, who, after brazenly requesting the Independent
members to get out of the local association without avail, are attempt
ing to destroy its existence in order that they may seize the money,
contracts and other property for which all have labored.
Amor Iran American Motor Car Agency,
rtlllvl ltd!! 1210-1212 South Olive
American-Simplex BekinsCorey WZ^L,
Atfac Bekins-Corey Motor Car Co.,
ATSfIS Pico and Flowei
C il f Apnij California Automobile Co.,
lUll I Ilia Tenth and Main
rinrriQ Bosbyshell-Carpenter Co.,
V\)\ I lO 1226-1228 South Olive
Hlirnrar : Durocar Manufacturing Co.,
UUI Ul/dl 929 South Los Angeles
Fmnira Munns Auto Co.,
Lllipil C 1351 South Main
C _ J Standard Automobile Co.,
10id Twelfth and Olive
urG3l Western 1130-1132 south oiive
UalL/L,, Icntta Motor Car ImP° Co
naiiadajHsoTTd 810 Sou th oH Ve
MlllunnhltP Tri-State Motor Car Co., ;
I lUpilluUliU 600-604 South Olive
INlatinnal National Auto Co.,
lldllUlldl 1351 South Main
Patpr«nn Pico Carriage Co.,
I aIUIdUIJ pi co and Ma i
Patrol Williams Automobile Co.,
I till Cl 1806 South Mair.
Ramhlpr w X Cowan ' ' -
lUllllDlul ;c . 1140-1142 South Hope
A- N- Jun e Motor Car Co-
Oltrl lIIICJ 1213 South Main
T^iifict California Automobile Co.,
I OUrIM Tenth and Main
|/_|j A Standard Automobile Co.,
TOllO Twelfth and Olive
f,nnHru>nt,ll Angelus Motor Car Co.,
iJUllllllUllldl 1242-1244 South Flower
Rl/lpr.l AU/k Angelus Motor Car Co..
IllUul "Lvff 1242-1244 South Flower
Will Tear Down His Big Benz Today
Preparatory to Going After
20 and 25 Mile Records
Fresno automobilists did not get a
chance to see the great Barney Old
flold and his monster Benz racer in
action yesterday afternoon.
Rain for two days put the track out
of commission, and Barney refused to
agree to a postponement, even after
a big bonus was added, until tomor
row or Wednesday,"as the track king
wants to have his racing car torn down
and put together carefully for his races
and record trials next Sunday at Ascot
This shows that. Oldflold is- very much
In earnest about his promise to break
the mile record of 50 4-5 seconds, in ad
dition to the five, fn, twenty and
twenty-live mile marks, the only ones
he does not now hold.
Kerscher will a)so do a week's work
on his Darracq, for if Ben is to close
the season with a win over Oldfleld li"
must do it next Sunday, as Barney
leaves the following morning for the
Mardi Gras races at New Orleans.
Fred Shaw and his Knox giant will
be ready to meet all stock cars Sunday.
Shaw's hand is almost healed and the
Knox is always reauy. Shaw is de
termined to force some of the local
stock cars to race the Knox or make
their owners admit that the. six-cylin
der car is too fast for them. Unless
Promoter Hempel is successful in ar
ranging a race in which the Knox can
enter against local machines, Shaw is
going' to post real money to make
things interesting-, and then speak
right out in meeting and call the names
of some of the cars that were adver
tised as the real champion stock cars
until the appearance of the Knox on
the scene. What Shaw wants to know
is where are all the champion sports
who were betting so much money on
their stock cars a few weeks ago.
Advocates Diamond Grips
Mr. S. F. Weaver is a strong advo
cate of the new Diamond Grip tires.
He states in his letter that he is still
running on the original four which
equipped his car and which has cov
ered to date over 5000 miles, the two
front tires never even so much as suf
fered a puncture during that mileage.
Getting Back
"That comic opera of yours gave me
a pain." said the critic.
"Well," replied the author of the
opera, "you shouldn't have laughed so
much."—Yonkers Statesman.
W. E. BOSH, So. OiL Agency,
flans* aad Repairing.
To the Automobile
Buying Public
What Is a Licensed Car?
broadly sustained the Selden patent, which involves the basic principle under
which all gasoline automobiles are built.
that many of the leading anti-Selden manufacturers have, through best legal'
advice obtainable, recognized the validity of the Selden patents by joining the
licensed association and paying all back royalties on all cars which they havo
previously manufactured for the protection of their dealers and purchasers.
owns hundreds of the most vital patents, maintaining immense laboratories
for the testing of materials, and is responsible for the present high standard
Ins hundreds the most vital patents, maintaining immense laboratories
■ the testing of materials, and is responsible for the present high standard
autoraot.ile construction.
built by the strongest factories whose permanency is unquestioned and whose
guarantee is a valuable asset. When you buy a licensed car you get the best
material!), workmanship and brains, and you are absolutely free from the pos
sibility of legal entanglements; and the hazard of owning a car, the makers
cf which are out of business and parts for which cannot be obtained. i
?*e" Na'rtoSMSS'.J* S2££?i ot ?°" flrms "andlln. licensed car,. Just as
c are pleased to announce that the "Licensed Car." h.nj, « sa^r
of th f Licensed Motor Car association of"_os Ange.es Orel's
JtDDersnn Leon T Shettlcr.
633 South Grand
Babcock Electric^ Elmore
Baker Electric^^^^^-'
T\ilt/*l/* Howard Auto Co.,
-^"*C* '1144 South Olive.
Cadillac LeeMotorCarCo- ■
isUUIUaC 1218 South Main.
Onrfamnr Woolwine Motor car Co.,
\*U.I IVf l*Ui 1142 South Olive.
Chalmers*Detroit WMa^ZSf£i
Columbia Bireley & Youns- ~~
isUlUtllUlU 1231 South Main.
C*r%fh/n Corbin Motor Car Co.,
\sUrUM 849 South Broadway.
f*f\l Itpj £»<V» Stoddard-Dayton Motor C 0.,"
Ksuun&r ___^ Tenth and Olive.
T?fmnrO Elmore Motor Car Co.
A^LIILUI C 742 South ,Olive.
Franklin R - c Hamlin ' ~
1 rUflKlin Twelfth and Olive.
J-Jn\ir%£>C H- T. Brown Motor Car Co.,
lAUyntlS . f 1136 South Main.
f-Ftirierkn Western Motor Car Co.,
11U.U.3U11 727 South Olive.
Jnr>l/*^r\n Chas* H- Thompson, ~~ "~~~
JULAJWt . 1118 South Main
/ nrnmnhilo Los Angeles Motor Car Co
jUUCU/fIUUILt! Pico and Hill.
7 rk vior Nash & Fenimore, ~"
\L~*UI*I*SI Tenth and Olive.
' MnthOKnn Renton Motor Car Co.. ~~~
jYiaineson 1230 South Main.
TUffl v«f /»__•// Maxwell-Briscoe-Los Angeles Co.,
JVIUJLUJtSLI 1321 South Main.
W!£>rr>Of Mercer Auto Company,
JVA&rC&r 318 West Tenth.
/If///* hell ~ Greer-Robbins Co., ~~
Jrl ILCflfZlt , 1501 South Main.
D/rfc mnh if a Woolwine Motor Car Co.
mUUII& 1142 South Olive St.
i Clnorinnri Renton Motor Car Co.,
yJUtirilinU, 1230 South Main
V»rt rri Western Motor Car Co.,
.T^UCKUrU 727 South Olive.
Palmer-Singer OoMra St" %'S?°^~7,
; J^oo r/_)rc i H- °- Harrison Co -'
JrWI 1214 South Main.
Pierce-Arrow w -E- BUSH ' 1227 . 9 South Main
Pope-Hartford Wm- R- Automobile Co-
OpQslldrlJOrd 1028 South Main.
_)_*s_ rv% ****• Schwobe-Atkinson Motor Co.,
IT mm I Adams and Main.
D nnni l% Four Automobile Co.,
P__ 1203-5 So. Main St.
T) Leon T. Shettler,
M\pO 633 South Grand.
f _/_/__ H. O. arrison Co., , .
KJ&lClcftl . 1214 South Main.
f «***<• +*/**** Golden State Garage ~~" ~
J itnpleX 2122 W. Pico St
fa — ' C. C. Slaughter Motor Car Co., : '
%jiearns 1026 South Olive.
Steuens*Duryea Eastern M2s°soSh oSve st.
Stoddard'Hayton ddarTent aytoand oiiv e ,
Studcbctker Lord Motor Car Company, 'rm^lfrißfJ
J tucLeoaKer 1032 south ouve.
T'L> _* _«_. _ « Wilson & Buffington,
N 1 ilOmaS .-■ -;-. 842 South Olive,
rrt • m W. D. Howard Motor Car Co.,
LUltltOn Twelfth and Maia
Woods Electric I'™1 '™ ! T 63. Sa Grand A ye.

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