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BIRMINGHAM STATE HERALD. VOLUME 22; BIRMINGHAM, ALA., WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 18, 1893. NUMBER. 33. WAR TALK AT THE CAPITAL Southern Brigadiers Rubbing Their Hands in Glee, “AMERICA FOR AMERICANS” And “Yankee Doodle” and "Dixie" Will Min t gle as One Chorus IF GREAT BRITAIN CRIES “TO ARMS” The President’s War Message Considered the Ablest State Paper Emanating From the Executive Mansion in Years—Will Be Heeded. Washington, Dec. 17.—(Special.)—Talk of war Is rife around the corridors and in, the cloak rooms, and many an old south ern brigadier i§ tonight rubbing his hands with glee and itching to once again get in the saddle that they may show to the world that “America is for Ameri cans,” and to show their brothers of the north how they can fight beneath stars and stripes, ns once they did under the stars and bars. And with "Yankee Doo dle” and “Dixie" who is it that doubts results? President Cleveland’s message to congress today has struck a respon sive chord in the breasts of democrat and republican alike, and had Speaker Heed recognized Mr. Crisp this evening resolutions appropriating $100,000 would have passed the house, but the republi cans scorn to want the resolution to come from their side and a motion to adjourn was carried, Dingley being recognized for that purpose. The message is commended by all as the ablest state paper emanating from the executive mansion In years, and there Is no doubt but its suggestions will be carried out. Governor Oates on the Message. Montgomery, Dec. 17.—(Special.)—Gov ernor Oates was asked tonight what he thought of Mr. Cleveland’s Venezuela message. ”1 indorse every word of it,” repiied the governor. “The president takes a high toned, patriotic position. His opin ion is pointed. If congress stands to him, and I believe democrats and republicans ■will do so, it means that England must step back or a clash will result. In my judgment Great Britain will select the former course. I believe the American people will also solidly approve the pres ident’s declarations in the matter, differ with him as they may on other proposi tions.” Governor Stone's Opinion. Jackson. Miss.. Dec. 17,-The Southern Associated Press correspondent called on Governor Stone this evening and asked his opinion on President Cleveland’s message to congress on the Venezuelan matter. The governor's reply was in sub stance as follows: ”1 am not prepared to be interviewed on the subject, having just read the mes sage very hurriedly, but will say I am heartily in favor of enforcing the Mon roe doctrine. 1 am not posted as to ■whether or not its principles are involved In the controversy between Great Brit ain and Venezuela, but suppose the pres ident and Secretary Olney are.” Governor Stone is a staunch friend and supporter of tho president in most other Imatters and is doubtless ready to back ihim up in this, as are all other Mississip pians, though they are not spoiling for a fight. American Diplomats Delighted. Washington. Dec. 17.—The diplomatic representatives of the American repub lics in Washington were highly elated over the president's message and nearly all of them cabled copious extracts of the document to their respective govern ments. Ever since the Cortnto affair they had been somewhat despondent over the supposed Indisposition of the TTnited States to resist foreign aggres sions of the American continent, but to day they could not find language ade quate to express their admiration for President Cleveland's forcible utterances, particularly as to the possible resort to other competition than those in the arts of peace. None of the American minis ters of charge d’affaires, however, con sented to speak authoritatively for their governments in the absence of instruc tions, nor would any be led into a public Interview on the subject. One who has had perhaps more experience In the In ternational affairs of the TTnited States than most of his colleagues In the diplo matic corps said that while he was grat ified to see that the United States had finally taken a firm stand on the Mon froe doctrine, it would be unwise to con sider It established in the code of all nations, and although he believes Eu ropean nations would be compelled to recognize Its force hereafter, he was not by anv means sure that its effect could be made retroactive, as its application to the Venezuelan matter certainly would be. Aside from this he hoped (and he believed all American republics would support the United States) that England would be forced, by war if necessary, to give up the territory she had stolen from Venezuela, and he trusted that congress would authorize the executive to furnish arms and men to drive out the 400 squat ters referred to by Lord Salisbury. Another representative of a govern ment that had had a dispute with Great Britain in the matter of land grabbing declared that If the United States was sincere In this matter, and supported President Cleveland’s suggestions for a boundary commission beyond England’s Influence, It would result In the greatest desideratum, an alliance for both peace and war of the most progress ive American republics. The boun dary question In Alaska, he said, could then he as quickly settled as that In Venezuela, and the rapid en croachments of Beliz on both Mexico and Gautemala would be terminated and the title to the territory of Brazil now claimed by French and British Guiana would be terminated. With the bulldozing power of Great Britain nullified he believed her com mercial supremacy would disappear and that trade would flow on north and south lines instead of east and west. Another of the South American repre sentatives was disposed, In vie\v of the United States in past years, to await the sober second thought of the people in legard to the message. He thought he should like to hear what Senator Sherman (the new chairman of foreign relations) said about the readi ness of the United States to go to war about Venezuela, where its interests were so small compared with what they prom ised to be in Nicaragua and Cuba. His opinion was that Great Britain would recede behind the Schmnburg line in the British claim and that the United States would not resort to force in the attempt to compel her to do so. He thought, how ever, that Lord Salisbury would very promptly concede the remainder of the Venezuelan contention, and that the United States would secure Venezuela’s acquiescence in that boundary. The Treasury Don’t Want War. Washington, Dec. 17.—The opinion is expressed in treasury circles that the president’s message to congress today on the Venezuelan boundary question will have the effect of causing the return by English holders of American securities and stocks for sale and thus further de pleting the treasury gold reserve, as gold would have to be sent abroad in pay ment of them. -o — READY FOR WAR. Republicans and Democrats Alike Praise the President’s Message. Washington, Dec. 17.—The demonstra tion which followed the reading of Pres ident Cleveland’s message in the senate today was strongly indicative of the gen eral sentiment. Without any division on party lines,and with the republicans even more pronounced in their applause than the democrats, the message met the heartiest approval, nearly all the sena tors clapping their hands and giving oth er evidences of gratification, while the few spectators in the galleries—the doors of which had only been opened five min utes before—joined in the applause with out any apprehension of taping reproved by the presiding officer. The strongest expressions in the message were those which were favored. Among those were the following sentences: "The course to be pursued by this government, in view of the present condition, does not appear to admit of serious doubt." "The dispute has reached such a stage as now to make it incumbent upon the United States to take measures to de termine with sufficient security for Its justification which is the true divisional line between the republic of Venezuela and British Guiana." "It will, in my opinion, be the duty or the United States to resist, by every measure in its power, as a willful aggies sion upon its rights aVid interests, the ap propriation by Great Britain of any lands or the exercise of governmental jurisdiction over any territory which, after investigation, we have determined of right belong to Venezuela." It was in connection with this last sen tence that Senator Morgan of Alabama, chairman of the committee on foreign re lations, remarked in an undertone that there was no mistaking the meaning of that, and Senator Frye, republican, of Maine, remarked. "That is capital. The trend of opinion as expressed by senators and representatives after the adjournment of the respective bodies was in line with the foregoing sketch of the scene in the senate chamber. Mr. Livingston of Georgia, who has been conspicuous in his championship of Venezuela, found much to commend in the President’s message. He said: "Mr. Cleveland’s message is clear-cut Ameri can. He distinctly recognizes the Mon roe doctrine in all its length and breadth. and especially applicaoie 10 me pending between Great Britain and Venezuela. He declares emphatically for resistance against British oppression, and like the man that he is against fur ther delay and further appeals on our part for arbitration. He suggests the very method contained in my resolutions now before congress, for a commission to ascertain for ourselves the true boundary line, and then enforce the find ings of that commission, even if war shall be the result. His message will find a warm response In the hearts of all Americans. He recognizes the terrible conflict that would follow, If fight we must, between the two great Knglish speaking people, yet admits there Is no calamity which a great nation can invite which equals supine submission and loss of national honor and self-respect." Representative Sherman, repumici., of New York—If the utterances of the president contained in his message on Venezuela are in any manner the result of his recent ducking outing, I very much regret that his secretary of state did not accompany him on that trip. The message has in it an American ring that is as gratifying as it has been unusual during this administration. I might al most use the word “Jingo in reference to it. did not the word grate on the dem ’ocratlc cars. I am glad to commend it without qualification. Representative Quigg. republican, of New York—President Cleveland’s mes sage is admirable in every respect. His statement of the grounds upon which the Monroe doctrine is made applicable to the Venezuelan boundary question cannot be answered. His definition of our duty in the presence of Great Britain’s refusal to arbitrate is clear and true. I phall vote for the commission he proposes and entertain the policy he outlines in every way I can. During a visit to Demarara and Venezuela three years ago I exam ined the situation very thoroughly and no doubt exists In my mind of the Justness of Venezuela’s contention. The senti ment of all parties and of the whole C"”tt try will indorse the president’s posuiuu heartily. .,, . „. . Mr Grosvenor. republican, of Ohio— The message Is a strong, clean cut de mand for the observance and defense of the Monroe doctrine, and in the light of the dispatch from the British govern ment. it is only a little short of a declara tion of war unless England recedes or seeks further diplomacy. The position taken by the president is, at first glance, a step in advance of the former official declarations of pur country. If the atti tude of England, as announced, is the ul timatum, then the message is a menace of war. . Mr. McCall, republican of Massaehu setts_The reply of Lord Salisbury at tempts in effect to do away with the Monroe doctrine. Since Great Britain declines to submit the Venezuelan boun dary to arbitration we must ascertain that boundary for ourselves and then re sist any encroachment upon it. The. message of the president is a spirited and noble document, and should receive the united support of both parties. Mr. Cummings, democrat, of New York —The message breathes the spirit of Thomas Jefferson, .Tames Monroe and Andrew Jackson. President Cleveland’s action stands in strong contrast with the cowardly action of Lord Salisbury in Armenian affairs. The president stands by the Monroe doctrine and he undoubt edly means every word he says. Mr. McCreary, democrat, of Kentucky, who was chairman of tile foreign affairs committee in the last congress—It is vig orous, positive and able. As a reaffirma tion of the Monroe doctrine it will attract wide attention and I believe be gener ally- indorsed by the people. The pres ident having tried faithfully to induce (Continued on Fifth Page.) CLEVELAND’S MESSAGE. He Gives the British Lion’s Tail a Good Twist. IT IS A REAL WAR DOCUMENT. j Lord Salisbury Refuses to Arbitrate the Venezuelan Matter. SAYS IT IS NONEOFOUR BUSINESS Congress Asked to Provide n Commission to Decide What Is the True Boundary Line and to Back Its Verdict Up With Force. Washington, Dec. 17.—The president sent to congress today the Venezuelan correspondence, accompanied by the fol lowing significant message: To the Congress: In my annual mes sage addressed to the congress on the 3d instant I called attention to the pending boundary controversy between Great Britain and the republic of Venezuela, and recited the substance of a repre sentation made by this government to her Britannic majesty’s government sug gesting reasons why such dispute should be submitted to arbitration for settle ment and inquiring whether it would be so submitted. The answer of the Brit ish government, which was then await ed, has since been received, together with a dispatch to which a reply is hen_-< to appended. Such reply Is embodied in two commu nications addressed by the British prime minister to Sir Julian Pauncefote, Brit ish ambassador at this capital. It will be seen that one of these communica tions is devoted exclusively to observa tions upon the Monroe doctrine, and claims that In the present instance a new and strange extension and develop ment of this doctrine Is Insisted upon by the United States; that the reasons jus tifying appeal to the doctrine enunciated by President Monroe are generally Inap plicable "to the state of things in which we live at the present day,” and especial ly Inapplicable to a controversy involv ing the boundary line between Great Britain and Venezuela. Without attempting extended argu ment in reply to these positions, it may not be amiss to suggest that the doctrine upon which we stand is strong and sound because its enforcement is important to our peace and safety as a nation, and is essential to the integrity of our free institutions and the tranquil mainte nance of a distinctive form of govern ment. It was Intended to apply to ev ery stage of our national life, and cannot become obsolete while our republic en dures. If the balance of power is justly a cause for jealous anxiety among the governments of the old w'orld and a sub ject for our absolute non-interference, none the less is an observance of the Monroe doctrine of vital concern to our people and their government. Assuming, therefore, that we may prob ably insist upon this doctrine without re gard to “the state of things in which we live,” or any changed conditions here or elsewhere, It is not apparent why its ap plication may not be invoked in the pres ent controversy. If a European power, by extension of its boundaries, takes possession of the territory of one of our neighboring re publics against its will and in derogation of its rights, it is difficult to see why to that extent such European power does not thereby attempt to extend its sys tem of government to that portion of this continent which is thus taken. This is the precise action which Presi dent Monroe declared to be "dangerous to our peace and safety,” and it can make no difference whether the European system is an extension by an advance of frontier or otherwise. It is also suggested In the British re ply that we should not seek to apply tho Monroe doctrine to the pending dispute, because it does not embody any principle of international law which Is founded on "the general consent of nations,” and that no statesman, however eminent, and no nation, however powerful, are competent to insert into the code of in ternational law a novel principle which was never recognized before, and which has not since been accepted by the gov ernment of any other country. Practically, the principle for which we contend has a peculiar if not extensive relation to the United States. It may not have been admitted in so many words to the code of international law, but since international counsels every nation is entitled to the rights belonging to it. If the enforcement of the Monroe doctrine is something we may Justly claim, it has its place in the code of in ternational law as certainly and as se curely as if it were specifically men tioned. and when the United States is a suitor before the high tribunal that ad ministers international law the question to be determined is whether or not we present the claims which the Justice of that code of law can find to be right an^ valid. j ne Monroe ooctrine nnus 11s recogni tion in those principles of international law which are based upon the theory that every nation shall have its rights protected and Just claims enforced. Of course, this government is entirely con fident that under the sanction of this doctrine we have clear rights and un doubted claims. Nor is this Ignored in the British reply. The prime minister, while not admitting that the Monroe doctrine is applicable to the present con ditions, states "in declaring that the United States would resist any such en terprise if it was contemplated, that President Monroe adopted a policy which received the entire sympathy of the Brit ish government of that date.” He further declares: "Though the lan guage of President Monroe is directed to the attainment of the objects which most Englishmen would agree to be salu tary, it is impossible to admit that they have been inscribed by any adequate authority In the code of International law.” Again he says: "They (her majesty’s government) fully concur with the view which President Monroe apparently en tertained that any disturbance effecting territorial distribution in that hemis phere by any fresh acquisition on the part of any European state would be a highly Inexpedient change." In the belief that the doctrine for which we contend was clear and definite, that It was founded upon substantial considerations and Involved our safety and welfare—that it was fully applicable to our present conditions and to the state of the world's progress, and that it was directly related to the pending contro versy, and without any convictions as to the final merits or the dispute, but anx ious to learn in a satisfactory and conclu sive manner whether Great Britain sought, under a claim of boundary, to extend her possessions on this continent, without right, or whether she merely sought possession of territory fairly in cluded within her lines of ownership— this government proposed to the govern ment of Great Britain a resort to arbitra tion as the proper means of settling the question, to the end that a vexatious boundary dispute between the two con testants might be determined and our exact standing and relation in respect to the controversy might be made clear. ■ It will be seen from the correspondence herewith submitted that this proposition has been declined by the British govern ment upon grounds which, under the cir cumstances, seem to me to be far from satisfactory. It is deeply disappointing that such an appeal, actuated by the most friendly feelings toward both na tions exactly concerned, addressed to thq sense of justice and to the magnanimity of one of the great powers of the world and touching its relations to one com paratively weak and small, should have produced no better results. The course to be pursued by this gov ernment, in view of the present condi tion, does not appear to admit of serious doubt: Having labored faithfully for many years to induce Great Britain to submit this dispute to Impartial arbitra tion, and having been now finally ap prised of her refusal to do so, nothing re mains but to accept the situation, to rec ognize Its plain requirements and deal with it accordingly. Great Britain's present proposition has never thus far been regarded as admis sible by Venezuela, though any adjust ment of the boundaries which that coun try may deem for her advantage and may enter into of her own free will can not, of course, be objected to by the United States. Assuming, however, that the attitude of Venezuela will remain unchanged, the dispute has reached such a stage as to make it now incumbent upon the United States to take measures to determine with sufficient certainty for its justifi cation what Is the true divisional line be tween the republic of Venezuela and the British government. Inquiry to that end should of course be conducted carefully and judicially, and due weight should he given to all available evidence, record:) and facts in support of the claims of both parties. In order that such examinations should be prosecuted in a thorough and satisfactory manner, I suggest that the congress make an adequate appropria tion for the expenses of a commission to be appointed by the executive, who shall make the necessary investigation and re port upon the matter with the least pos sible delay. When such report is made and accept ed, It will in my opinion be the duty of the United States to resist by every means in its power, as a willful aggres sion upon its rights and interests, the ap propriation by Great Britain of any lands or the exercise of geve/nmental Jurisdiction over any territory which, after investigation, we have determined of right as belonging to Venezuela. In making these recommendations I am fully alive to the responsibility incur red and keenly realize all the conse quences that may follow. I am neverthe less firm In my conviction that while it Is a grievous thing to contemplate the two great English-speaking people of the world as being otherwise than friend ly competitors in the onward march of civilization and strenuous and worthy rivals In all arts of peace, there is no calamity which a great nation can invite which equals that which follows a su pine submission to wrong and Injustice, and the consequent loss of national wlf respect and honor, beneath which is shielded and defended a people’s safety and greatness. GROVER CLEVELAND. Executive Mansion. Dec. 17. 1895. Although the matter submitted to con gress In connection with the foregoing message consists of three diplomatic notes only, they are very voluminous. Mr. Oiney's note to Mr. Bayard concern ing the threatening aspect of affairs be tween Great Britain and Venezuela Is first in the correspondence. It is dated July 20 last, and deals with the boundary question at. geat length. Beginning at the very inception of the dispute which has now assumed so serious an as pect, Mr. Olney carries his argument of the American claim for arbitration, based on the Monroe doctrine, down to the pres ent time, and gives emphasis to his statements by quoilng the sentiments of President Monroe in full and notes that "Its pronouncement by the Monroe ad ministration at that particular time was unquestionably due to the inspiration of Great Britain, who at once gave to it an open and unqualified adhesion, which has never been withdrawn." Mr. Olney gives in his note a firm in dorsement to the principle Indorsed by Mohroe, and defines Great Britain’s posi tion in this frank and unambiguous man ner: "She (Great Britain) says to Vene zuela: 'You can get none of the debata ble land by force, because you are not strong enough: you can get none by treaty, because I will not agree, and you can take your chance of getting a portion by arbitration, only if you first agree to abandon to me such portions as I may designate.' ” Continuing, Mr. Olney says It is not 1 perceived how such an attitude can be defended, nor how K is reconcilable with that love of justice and fair play so char acteristic of the English race; and holds that if such position be adhered to it should be regarded as amounting in sub stance lo an invasion and conquest of Venezuelan territory. In conclusion Mr. Olney instructed Mr. Bayard to lay the views given before Lord Salisbury, and said: “They (the views) call for a definite decision upon the point whether Great Britain will consent or will decline to submit the Venezuelan boundary question in ils en tirety to impartial arbitration.’’ Expressing the president’s hope that the conclusion will be on the side of ar bitration, Mr. Olney concludes with the pointed statement that “if the president is to be disappointed in that hope, how ever, a result not to be anticipated, and In his judgment calculated to greatly embarrass the future relations between this country and Great Britain, it is his wish to be acquainted with the fact at s i' h early date as will enable him to lay the whole subject before congress in his next annual message.” Lord Salisbury’s reply Is addressed to Sir Julian Pauncefote, British ambassa dor at Washington, under date of No vember 26 last, this dealt only wun me appropriation of the Monroe doctrin ^ In the ease at issue, and was follows ** on the same day by another note discuss ing the boundary dispute per se. At the outset Lord Salisbury states that so far as he is aware the Monroe doctrine has never been before advanced on behalf of the United States in any written com munication addressed to the government of any other nation. He gives what he believes is the interpretation of the doc trine and maintains that the dangers which were apprehended by President Monroe have no relation 4o the state of things in which we live at the present day. and adds, with thinly covered irony, that "it is intelligible that Mr. Olney should invoke in defense of the views on which he is now insisting an authority (Monroe) which enjoys so high a popular ity with his own fellow countrymen.” The dispute between Great Britain and Venezuela, avers Lord Salisbury, Is a controvery with which the United States have no apparent practical concern. Continuing in short, pithy sentences he says it is difficult indeed to see how the question in controversy can materially affect any state or community outside those primarily interested: t'hat the dis puted frontier of Venezuela has nothing to do with any of the questions dealt with by President Monroe, and that it Is not a question of the colonization by an Eu ropean power of any portion of Ameri ca, nor of the imposition upon the com munities of South America of any sys tem of government devised in Europe. "It is,” he says, “simply the determina tion of the frontier of a British posses sion which belonged to the throne of England long before the republic of Ven ezuela came Into existence.” As he pro ceeds in the discussion the language of Lord Salisbury becomes tart. He ar gues in theory that the Monroe doctrine in Itself is sound, but disclaims any in tention of being understood as express ing any acceptance of it on the part of her majesty’s government. He quotes Mr. Olney as saying: "That distance and 3000 miles of intervening ocean make any political union between a European and an American state unnatural and inexpedient will hardly be denied," and adds that "the meaning of these words is that the union between Great Britain and Canada, between Great Britain, Ja maica and Trinidad, between Canada and British Honduras or British Guiana are Inexpedient and unnatural.” President Monroe.says his lordship,dis claims any such Inference from his doc trine. but in this, as in other respects, Mr, Olnev develops It. "He lays down,” says Lord Salisbury, "that the inexpedi ent and unnatural character of the union between the un-American state is so ob vious that it will hardly be denied. Her majesty’s government is prepared em phatically to deny it on behalf of both the British and American people who are subject to her crown. They maintain that the union between Great Britain and her ties in the hemisphere are both nat ural and expedient, but they are not pre pared to admit that the recognition of that expediency is clothed with the sanc tion which belongs to adoption of inter national law. They are not prepared to admit that the interests of the United States are necessarily considered In ev ery frontier dispute which may arise be tween the two states which possess do minion in this hemisphere, and still less can they accept the doctrine that the United States is entitled to claim that the process of arbitration shall be ap plied to any demand for the surrender of territory which one of those states may make against another.” Lord Salisbury concludes with the statement that her majesty's govern ment has not surrendered the hope that the controversy beween themselves and Venezuela will be adjusted by reason able arrangemnts at an early date. The second note of November 26 is devoted to a discussion of the boundary dispute exclusive of Its relation to the Monroe doctrine, mis uispuicri, How ever, sounds the keynote of Great Brit ain’s position with reference to Mr. Ol ney’s representations. Lord Salisbury states that Great Britain has repeatedly expressed its readiness to submit to ar bitration the conflicting claims of Great Britain to the territory of great mineral values, and follows this statement with these important words: “But they (the British government) cannot consent to entertain or to submit to the arbitration of another power ora foreign jurist,how ever eminent, claims based on extrava gant pretensions of Spanish officials In the last century, and Involving the trans fer of large numbers of British subjects, who have for many years enjoyed the settled rule of the British colony, to a na tion of different race and language, whose political system Is subject to fre quent disturbance and whose institu tions as yet too often afford very Inade quate protection to life and properly. No issue of this description has ever been Involved In the questions which Great Britain and the United States have consented to submit to arbitration, and her majesty's government are con vinced that in similar circumstances the government of the United States would be equally os firm in declining to enter tain proposals of such a nature.” MEANS A REVOLUTION. Process for Making Tubular Forms From Hot Metal Ingots. Washington, Dec. 17.—An epoch In the process of metal working as Indicated in the judgment of United States Consul General Mason at Frankfort In the devel opment in Germany of a process of mak ing tubular forms directly from a hot metal ingot, confined in a mold, into which a suitable shaped steel mandrel is driven by hydraulic pressure. The process is so much superior to tu bular forms as ordinarily constructed and is so economical that the German government has required all steel shells for guns to be made in this way. Cannon tubes up and beyond 6 Inches caliber are cheaply and speedily produced. Copper tubes of ordinary sizes and any length up to 20 feet, and any desired thickness, are turned out, and Mr. Mason predicts that the new process will revolutionize ma chinery construction in making it pos sible and economical to substitute tubes for solid axles, shafting, driving rods and other parts. I SENATE AND JOUSE PLEASED Mr. Cleveland’s Message Is Grat ifying to Both Parties. REPUBLICANS ESPECIALLY Mr. Crisp Wanted $100,000 Appropriated ^-mmcdiatelv, as Requested. J_ V TH^iRST PARTISAN DEBATE OCCURS / — 4' lew Cut cf Mr. Cannon's Amendment A to the Rules Providing lor the Ap pointinent of Three Comniii ') tecs on Elections. Washington, Dec. 17.—The proceedings of the house today were enlivened by a partisan debate growing out of Mr. Can non's amendment to the rules providing for the appointment of three committees on elections. In support of the amend ment Mr. Cannon spoke of the great pre ponderance of contests from the south and quoted allegations that notwith standing the repeal of federal election laws fraud still existed in the elections in that part of the country. Mr. Crisp, democrat, nf Georgia, led the opposition to the amendment, declar ing that tlie effect of its adoption would work injustice to democratic eontestees; that there was nothing in the history of the republican party to warrant the as sumption that election contests would be decided by this house upon any other than partisan grounds. Propositions to amend the amendment were made, but were all rejected, and after four hours’ debate the proposition was agreed to. Mr. Cannon introduced the resolution discussed yesterday in the speaker's room, amending the rules so as to provide for the appointment of three committees on election of nine members each, to be .known as 1, 2 and 3 respectively, and in creasing the membership of other com mittees. Certain changes in the rules, made necessary by the increases in com mittees and membership since the Fifty first congress, were also proposed. Ail ol' the changes were agreed to by unani mous consent except those relating to the committees of elections. Mr. Cannon explained the necessity for the resolution. All of the eontestees, he said, were democrats; twenty-two of the contestants were republicans, eight pop ulists, one an independent democrat and one a fusionist. This latter classifi cation aroused an audible smile all over the floor. Mr. Crisp, democrat, of Georgia, led the opposition to the proposition to In crease the number of committees on elections. What was there, he asked, in the history of the republican party to Justify the assertion that election' con tests would be decided upon their mer its? He referred to the action of the house In the Fifty-first congress In elec tion cases, and had the clerk read from the Record the proceedings in the Miiler Elllott case, from South Carolina, where the contestant was seated without de bate, on the reading of the report of the committee on elections, and when he had been sworn In "these Judicially minded gentlemen," said Mr. Crisp, "demanded that the next case be called; and,” ha continued, “if the cases had been on the calendar, so that they might be consider ed, I have no doubt that the ‘Judicial’ majority would have voted to unseat ev ery man on this side of the house.” An interruption by Mr. Walker led to a! colloquy between him and Mr. Crisp, in which the history of "counting a quo rum” in the Fifty-first congress was brought under discussion. Mr. Crisp was made the target for a volley of questions by several republican members respecting the action of the democrats in the Fifty-first congress. Mr. Boutelle asked if he thought the demo crats did right In retiring from the house bodily In order to obstruct the considera tion of public business. Mr. Crisp—I believe they were justified in proceeding In any lawful way to pre vent the consummation of the outrages proposed by the republicans, and the people of the country evidently took the same view,for they reversed the majority in the next house, giving the democrats 150 majority. (Applause.) Further along the results of the elec tion of 1804 were the subject of repartee between the two gentlemen. Mr. Crisp said he read somewhere that the gen tleman from Maine (Mr. Boutelle) con sidered the result as a vindication of his course in regard to Hawaii. Mr. Boutelle—The gentleman from Georgia certainly cannot claim that It was a vindication of his course on the Hawaiian matter. Mr. Boutelle them caused general laughter by assuming a serious air and saying: "By the way, before the gen tleman from Georgia proceeds would he kindly yield to me for a few minutes for some reflections In regard to Hawaii?” The ex-speaker did not comply with the request, but said there was a message from the president regarding the Venezu elan frontier question on the speaker’s desk and this republican house, because of a partisan debate projected by the gentleman from Illinois (Cannon), could not take time to have it read. Mr. Hulick asked was not the delay re ally due to the absence of the president duck hunting? Without answering the question Mr. Crisp said the message should be read, adding: "It is a frank, manly defense of the Monroe doctrine.” (Applause.) Mr. Dalzell, republican, of Pennsylva nia. replied to Mr. Crisp, and the debate was continued by Mr. Bartlett of New York and Mr. Johnson of Indiana. jjr. nancy oi 1 pxas asuni ivii. cunuuii If he would consent to modify Ills resolu tion so as to provide that the members of the proposed election committees should take a special oath. Mr. Cannon replied that long observa tion as a lawyer had satisfied him that a man who would lie when the truth was called for would swear to It. The debate was further participated In by Messrs. Wheeler of Alabama. Milliken of Maine, Lacey of Iowa and Powers of Vermont. Pending an arrangement for closing debate several amendments were pro posed. one by Mr. Terry of Arkansas, proposing to allow six hours debate in the house on each side. This was defeated by a vote of y»as 51, nays lfH, several contestees being ex cused from voting. The original amendment to the rules offered by Mr. Cannon was adopted with out a division. The message on the Venezuelan boun dary was then laid before the house and read by the clerk. When that portion (ContinuedonS’ourth Page.)