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Heydler and Johnson Factions
Threaten to Stand on
Original Proposals.
War Clouds Break as
Magnates Get Together
CHICAGO, Not. B.—The first move for
the National and American League clubs
to get together on a plan for rvorgani
zation of baseball was made shortly after
noon here today.
Five clubs, loyal to Ban Johns-on, head
of the American League, were represent
'd at the meeting of that organization in
the Congress Hotel. The other three
Amen an League club representat ves at
tended the meeting of the National
League in another room of the Congress
As soon as the National League meet
ing got under, way a message was sent
to Ban Johnson asking the five American
League clubs which have not indorsed
the Lasker plan for reorganization to
send a representative to the meeting of
the National League.
Clark Griffith, one of the “loyal five,”
went to the National League meeting.
Griffith was In the National League
meeting about fifteen minutes. When be
came out he was accompanied by Col.
Jacob Ruppert of the New York Yan
kees, one of the “insurgent” American
League club owners. Ruppert and
Griffith walked arm in arm to the meet
ing of the “loyal five.” Neither would
make a statement,
CHICAGO, Nov. B.—National and
American League club owners in annual
meetings here today were to make a final
attempt to dovetail their plaU9 for re
organization of baseball.
Sessions of the two leagues scheduled
had as objectives plans to merge and
formulate a definite program for sub
mission to minor leagues in Kansas City
tomorrow, if hopes of both factions ma
terialize. There was no sign of a rift
in either side early today, however, and
talk of a baseball war was revived with
The threat of organization of a twelve
club league will be carried through to
day, National League Interests an
nounced, unless Ban Johnson, president
of the American League, and the Wash
ington. Detroit, St. Louis. Philadelphia
and Cleveland clubs consent to join
their meeting.
“The door of the meeting will stand
open for one or all of them to enter," ;
John Heydler, president of the National
League, explained, “but we will make
no further proffers of peace.
“We are willing to make concessions
to avert a disastrous baseball war—we
don't want war and we know the public
doesn't—but we can’t back paddle. We
will gladly receive a .committee from
them and consider any counter proposal
or suggestions they have. We all agree
that baseball should be reorganized and
there should be some way to get to
Others were not hopeful of a com
promise following a night of conference
with Clark Griffith and Tom Sbibe of
the "loyal five’’ American Leagues.
Griffith took the same position John
son has set—that the five clubs
constitute the American League and
should not agree to decisions of the New
York. Boston and Chicago clubs. He
declared the reorganization proposes to
oust Ban Johnson and fiatly stated ha
would not participate.
Charles A. Comiskey, owner of the Chi
cago White Soy. it was reported today,
declared he would not be a part of the
American League as long as Johnson
continued as its head.
Johnson, before the American League
session, reiterated the demand that_ a
committee representing American, Na
tional and minor league interests ar
range details of reorganization. He con
tended the Lasker plan was not prac
tical. but refused to predict what action
his league would take toward averting
war or fighting a twelve-club league.
Both the factions declared they would
offer reorganization plans to the minor
league meeting in Kansas City if they
failed to agree on a combination of ideas.
Mi.i r learners on th<> side lines watch
ing the scrimmage today were divided.
Following conferences with other
“loyal” American League magnates,
Clark Griffith, owner of the American
League Club in Washington, said in case
there is a baseball war and anew or
ganization of twelve club* Is formed, the
American League will start three new
clubs. These he said will be placed In
Chicago, Boston and New York, where
the American League clubs which have
favored reorganization are located.
Griffith said promoters for the three
new clubs had been obtained and suf
ficient money was in sight to insure suc
The American League meeting was
postponed until late in the day to give
Jacob liupper a chance to attend. Ban
Johnson and his followers didn't have
much hope that Rupper was to be pres
ent at th-dr meeting, but they wanted
give him a chance, informal confer
ences between Johnson, Griffith and
others were held during the morning.
The Congress Hotel management, with
nn eye to safety of furniture, arranged
for the two big league meetings to be
held In extreme ends of the building, one
on tbe first floor and the other on the
top floor.
Grid Battle Postponed
Week on Account of Rain
The Indianapolis Football Club and
Alexandria Tigers were scared out ol
their battle at Washington Park yester
day afternoon by the weather man, but
will fouio to grips on tbe Tribe lot next
Sunday. *
Several hundred fans, who have been
keeping tab on the State pro teams,
turned out yesterday afternoon after the
weather cleared to witness the famous
Alexandria outfit in action, but were
confronted with the “no game” sign.
However, this postponement will not
hurt things regarding the game a great
deal, as it will give the members of both
teams a chance to get rid of a few minor
injuries and put themselves In hotter
shape for the important clash.
Manager Joe Cannings Indianapolis
athletes will put In a lot of hard train
ing licks this week, starting with an in
door work-out tomorrow night and clos
ing with their regular scrimmage Fri
day night at Fall Creek and College ave
Collegians at Anderson
The Ex-Collegians football team will
travel to Anderson on Thursday, Nov. 11,
where they will lock horns with the
strong Anderson Starlands. Captain llaz
zard, of the local colored bovs, Is work
ing his team overtime for this game and
expects to “bring home the bacon.”
The Ex-Collegians would like to hear
from some fast team for a game Sunday,
Nov. 14, at Northwestern park. Write or
call, Ben W. Johnson, 220 Indiana ave
nues. Phons 23-231.
Man-o’-War Race Movies
Motion pictures of Man-O’-War and Sir
Barton, in their great match race at the
Windsor race track recently, are on view
at the Circle Theater this week. The
picture Is considered one of the best ever
produced of a horse race and Is escep
tional'.y clear. The horses are seen from
the time they leave the post until Man-
O’-Wnr thunders across the tape, the
Big Smoke in Prison Bout
LEAVENWORTH, Kan., Not. 8. —Jack
Johnson, forrnsr heavyweight boxing
Champion, who la serving one year la
prison here for violation of the Mann
act, was matched today for a “turkey
day" bout of six roughs in the Federal
priiwa. "Topeka wili he
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George Glpp will not be the only peb
ble In the gravel pit when Notre Dame
meets Indiana here Saturday afternoon.
Indianapolis fans ore going to keep their
eyes on Joe Brandy, star quarter back
of tbe Irish eleven, and they are going
to expect big things of him.
Although Joe’s home is “somewhere in
the East.” Indianapolis has always had
a sort of claim to him. as he spent the
greater part of b:s early life here with
his uncle, Henry Lawrence, manager of
the Claypool Hotel. Joe also has a warm
spot in his heart for Indianapolis and
he is always glad to get back here for
a few days, weeks or months.
Brandy has been playing stellar ball
for Notre Panic this Season. Besides run
ning the team in great style, he is a great
fighter and can carry the ball about a*
good as the next one when It comes hi*
turn. After the Army game n week ago,
tome Eastern critics named Brandy as a
likely candidate for -All-American honors,
along with Captain Coughlin, tackle;
Half Rack George Glpp and Ends An
derson and KUey.
Carpenter-Dempsey Go
Near New York July 4,
Is Latest Announcement
NEW YORK, Nov. B.—Tbe world’s
heavyweight boxing championship
battle between Jack Dempsey, cham
pion, and George* Carpentier, of
France, challenger, will be held near
New York. It was declared here to
day by Charles B. Cochran, British
promoter. who, with William A.
Brady and Tex Richard, will stage
the bout. A special arena to accom
modate <5.000 persons will be con
structed somewhere In the metropoli
tan district and the bout will lake
plu.ee about July 4, Cochran said.
Failure of Cuban promoters to carry
out agreements in regard to financ
ing the $300,000 boot In Cuba, Cooh
ran said, had caused the promoters
to change location for the scrap, al
though New Y'ork fans believed tbe
boot will be held any place bot New
Admission prices to the arena will
be made a* low as possible, said
Cochran, probably ranging from $3
to 860.
Big League Briefs
CHICAGO, Nov. B.—Lounge lizards in
Teacock alley cautiously guarded their
carefully waxed mustaches when John
Heydler, Tom Sbibe and Clark Griffith
accidentally met and started arguing.
Some stopped up their ears as the dis
cussion got warm. But there were no
casualties. Heydler emerged from th
word battle with a perspiring counte
nance and Griffith and Shlbe continued
their promenade.
Harry Frazee of Boston nnd Clarence
Rowland, scout for the Detroit Tigers,
contested for fashion’s favors, Rowland’*
bid was a gray checkered unifo’-m, baby
blue silk tie end white spats. Frazee was
tbe sole magnate in conventional morn
ing attire.
Minor leaguers were more numerous
•bout tbe Congress Hotel than American
or National League interests. They were
getting dope for their meeting iu Kan
sas City Tuesday when reorganization
and an agreement with the major leagues
is to be the issue.
George Stallings, Fred Mitchell and
Clarence Rowland were among former
managers lounging in full view of the
club owners. All said they were open
to offers.
Kid Gleason of the White Sox was
the only manager willing to talk trade
or deals. He had few customers. Other
managers and owners explained they
were Interested in the general affnlrs or
the game and too busy to bother about
team personnel.
Jacob Ruppert, owner of the New York
Yankees, and Phil Ball, owner of the
St. Louis Browns, were the only miss
ing magnates early today. They were
expected before noon.
Garry Herimann, who Imitates Barney
Oldfield’s cigar habits, acted as general
host. The customary search for mag
nates was unnecessary and meetings
started on time for a change. Someone
had only to suggest “Well, let’s go down
to the other meeting room" and in a few
minutes there would be a full attendance.
Jack Hendricks, manager of the Indi
anapolis American Association team, was
recipient of applications from Coast
League owners for his aid in securing
evidence to aid in the California Inves
tigation of baseball.
Big Ten Standing
W. It. Pet.
Illinois 4 0 1.009
Ohio State 4 0 1.000
Wisconsin 2 1 .687
Indiana 2 1 .667
Chicago 2 2 .500
lowa 2 2 .500
Northwestern 1 S .250
Michigan 0 2 .000
Purdue 0 2 .000
Minnesota 0 4 .000
liauger 010 has w* w
Unequal**! Value*
Three Stores First Block Mass. Ave.
‘Little Fellows’ to Insist on
Representation on New
Baseball Ruling Board.
International New* Sports Editor.
KANSAS CITY, Mo., Nov. B.—Wit., the
Lasker plan a dead issue among theU’Lit
tle fellows,” delegates began arriving to
day for the annual convention of the
I National Association of Minor Leagues,
with the avowed purpose of fighting for
representation on baseball’s highest tri
The minors, whose meeting openß to
morrow afternoon, are unprepared to en
tertain visiting major moguls, but will
bold out a welcoming band should the
“big fellows” come to Kansas City.
One thing was certain on the eve of
the minors’ meeting and that was their
desire for representation on the National
Baseball Commission. No plan carrying
this concession to the minors will be
adopted nor will the minors throw their
support to either faction In the Heydier
•Tohnson dispute without it. An over
whelming majority of the minors oppose
the Lasker plan or any other plan cre
ating an independent tribunal, for base
ball's control.
For the first time in twenty years the
“little"follows” have an opportunity for
an equal voice In the management of
baseball and' they will fight to the last
ditch before accepting any compromise
which eliminates minor league represen
i lie plan which will find most sup
porters among the minors Is the con
tinuation of the present national baseball
commission, with the appointment of a
minor league representative to fill the
: vacancy created by Garry Herrmanu s
! resignation. Tbe Lasker plan is tabooed,
i for the minors want practical baseball
men in control, with one of their own
number named for a position on the
The minors have named four candidates
for the national commission, any one
of whom would be acceptable to the
“little fellows.” These are Michael X.
Sexton, president of the National Associa
tion of Minor Leagues; David H. Full*,
president of the International League and
former president of the players fratern
ity; Al Tierney, president of the western
and Three-I circuits, and J. Cal Ewing,
president of the Pacific Coast League.
If the majors adjourn t'.cir Chicago
I meeting to coino to Kansas City, the
i draft law may prove to be the main topic
for discussion, Th* minors ultimatum on
this subject is a $5,000 draft price, with
the majors limited to Class AA leagues.
This Is double the price last In enect.
The minors have continued the urart
w Whin their own organizations and rar>'d
I well. They sre Just as willing to con
tinue without major league participation
; as with it.
If the maters meet th new price nnn
anew working agreement is Mtoptea
. between major* and minors, the little
fellows" will boost draft prices between
1 leagues within their own rsnks. lor
! example. th *1,500 price existing now
I for trie drafting of Class A players by
Class AA clubs probably would be raised
to *”500 and so on down the line.
Another subject due for lengthy con
! slderatlon and In which "war cloud*
loom ominously Is a minor league offen
sive against the tudustrial "outlaws. ’
Scores of clubs lost valuable players tc
the Industrial league at the beginning
of last season, particularly the Western
and International Leagues Tbe minors
i have not forgotten and will adopt stern
j • reprisal" measures against tbe indus
On the whole, the atmosphere of to
morrow’s meeting will be a “mind our
own business” attitude by the minor*.
If the majors come to Kansas City
there will be excitement, with the minors
holding tbs trump.
Saturday Grid Scores
Centre, 34; De Pauw, 0.
Butler, 21; Franklin. 10.
Notre Dame 28; Purdue, 0.
Kalamazoo Normal, 0; Earlham, 0.
Illinois, 3; Chicago, o.
Ohio State, 14 ; Michigan, 7.
Wisconsin, 8; Minnesota. 0.
lowa, 20; Northwestern, 0.
Penn State, 20; Nebraska, 0.
Detroit, 65; Tufta, 2.
St, Xavier, 56; Rose Poly, 0.
Denison, 17; Ohio “U,” 0.
Akror., 14; Hiram, 7.
Baldwin-Wallace, 17; Muskingum, 0.
Oberlln 20; Western Reserve, 7.
Mt. Union. 35; Case, 0.
Nevada, 21; Utah Aggies, 0
Utah, 7; Colorado, 0.
Missouri. 10; Kansas Aggies, 7.
North Dakota Aggies, 7; Fargo, 0.
Oklahoma, 21 ; Kansas, 9.
Drake, 14; Washington, 6.
Ames, 17; Creighton, 0.
Louisiana, 3: Arkansas, 0.
Colorado College, 20; Wyoming, 17.
Denver, 16; Colorado Mines, 6.
Ilaskel Indians, 6; Marquette, 3.
Wittenberg. 19; Ohio Northern, 7.
Miami, 7; Ohio Wesleyan, 0.
California, 49; Washington State, 0.
Stanford. 3; Washington. 0.
State College, 35; Mt. S* Charles, 0.
Wesleyan, 7; Montana School of Mines.
Whitman College, 13; University of
Montana, 7.
Occidental College, 12; California
Tech., 7.
Pomona College, 14; Whittier College, 0.
Rice Institute, 10; Southern Methodist
University, 0.
Kendal), 81; Oklahoma Baptist, 0.
South Dakota, 7; North Dakota, 7.
Heidelberg, 21; Otterbein, 2.
Harvard, 14; Princeton, 14.
Yale, 14; Brown, 10.
Pittsburgh, 27; Pennsylvania, 21.
Navy. 21; Georgetown, 6.
Syracuse, 14; Washington and Jeffer
son, 0.
Dartmouth, 14; Cornell, 3.
Swarthtnofe, 21; Columbia, 7.
Union, 9: New York 7.
Boston College, 24; Boston “U," 0.
New Hampshire, 7; Colby, 7.
BowdoJn, 7; Maine, 7.
Army, 63; Lebanon Valley, 0.
Williams, 82; Hamilton, 7.
Rochester. 21; Colgate, 14.
Galladaudet, 21; Randolph Macon, 0.
Lafayette, 10; Bochnell, 7.
Johns Hopkins, 17; Haverford, 10.
Maryland State, 14; Catholic “U,” 0.
Penn Military, 9; L’rslnus, 0.
Carnegie Tech., 42; Allegheny, 0.
West Virginia, 14; Washington and
Lee, 10.
Dickinson, 7; Franklin and Marshall, 0.
Gettysburg, 34; Villa Nova, 7.
I<ehigb. 58; Muhlenberg, O.
Western Maryland, 21; St. Johns, 0.
Wesleyan, 7; Amherst, 0. ;
Stevens, 48; Delaware, 0.
Georgia Tech., 7; Clemson, 0.
Alabama, 14; Vanderbilt. 7.
Tulane, 14; Florida, 0.
V. M. 1., 23; North Carolina, 0.
Tennessee. 49; Transylvania, (J.
Virginia. 0; Georgia, 0.
Davidson, 27; South Carolina. 0.
North Carolina State, 81; William and
Mary, 0.
Auburn, 40; Birmingham Southern, 0.
Lynchburg, 13; Emory and Henry, 9.
Furman, 42; Oglethorpe, 3.
Virginia Poly, 21; Richmond, 0.
Mississippi A. and M., 20; Mississippi, 0.
Kentucky, 7; Cincinnati 6.
Four in East and
Three in West Have
Clean Grid Rcords
Notre Dame Among Elite of
the 1920 Crop of Title
NEW YORK, Nov. B.—Four major grid
teams In the East and three in the West
still hive their heads above the water.
Penn State, Pittsburgh, Princeton and
Harvard are keeping well on top of the
football surf in the East, while Notre
Dame, Ohio State and Illinois are strok
ing safely in the West.
Penn State lends in the Eastern race
with a slight margin, having avoided a
tie game, which Is the only blemish on
the records of Pitt, Princeton and Har
Notre Dame, on the word of Coach
Scanlon of Purdue. Is the best team iu
the West, while Ohio State and Illinois
still remain undefeated in the confer
ence. M '
Georgetown, Cornell, Brown and Jef
ferson were overcome by tbe tide that
rushed over them Saturday. Each Buf
fered the first defeat of the season and
went out of the race.
Heavy current is ahead for all the
leaders with the possible exception of
Notre Dame, which has survived tbe
hardest part of the schedule.
Fenn State has Lehigh to face "ext and
Pittsburgh has a tough game w’ i Wash
ington and Jefferson. If both win they
will face each other Thanksgiving lu one
of the most vital games of the East. Har
vard has In Brown no easy mark nnd
then Yale, while Princeton has Yale next
For tbe second time in succession, Il
linois aud Ohio State will rm-et in a gnm
to decide the Western Conference cham
pionship on Nov. 20. provided Illinois
beats Wisconsin next Saturday.
Edmonson and H. Lewis, each breaking
98 out of a possible 100 clays, divided
spoils in the Indianapolis Gnu Club shoot
Saturday. Parry and Stone tied for sec
ond place with 95 each and Havens fol
lowed with a 93. Arvln, profession*!,
pulled down 99 birds out of 100 shots.
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In High School Camps
Manual and Sbortrldge at Irwin field
Friday! Although this will mark the
first meeting between these two eleven
since 1907, It is a safe bet that never
In tbe history of the schoolAwere the
two teams more evenly maWied, and
never before has the rivalry excelled
that which is now being exhibited at
the schools.
Manual alumni and former athletes
have scheduled a get-to-gether meeting
for Wednesday at the high school build
ing and Shortrldge old-timers are ex
pected to do likewise sometime this week.
The exhibition put up by Noblesville
against Tech Friday was one of the
poorest ever seen in this city. The crowd
will always back a team that fights, no
mutter how bad It is beaten, but No
blesville didn’t fight. The visiting eleven
seemed to enjoy the Tech touchdowns al
most as much as the Tech players them
selves, and they played the entire game
Triple Tie Possible in
Western Conference Race
CHICAGO, Nov. B.—A triple tie for
the Big Ten Conference football
championship Is one of the possibili
ties that may evolve from the remain
ing games of the schedole.
If Wiooin, which boasts one of
tlfc bet balanced teams in the confer
ence. defeats Illinois next Saturday
and Chicago the week following, it
will finish the season with only one
defeat. If Illinois wins from Ohio
Nov. tt, each of these teams likewise
would have a record of one defeat,
and the Badgers. Illinois and Buck
eyes would bo tied for top honors.
South Bend, 26; Lognnsport. 6.
Culver Academy, 48; Harrison H, S.
Chicago), 0.
Bloomfield, 34; Petersburg, 6.
In a carefree way. When they came out
on the field the first thing they did was
go under the goal posts and lie down.
Bob Nipper, Tech captain and half
back, has water on the knee and will be
out of athletics for the rest‘of the year.
His loss will be badly felt on the foot
!>:’ 11 sound, but on the basketball five
his absence will be almost a calamity.
Nipper is one of the best all-round ath
letes who ever attended Tech and his
loss in all branches of sport presents a
problem to the Tech coaches that wul
require a lot of attention.
Tech goes to Sheridan Friday over
whelming favorites to win. The cast
aiders beat Manual and Manual holds a
13-to-7 win over the up-staters
Shortrjdge enter Friday’s Manual game
with a clean slate in the city play, as
It will be the north side eleven's first
j appearance against a local rival.
De Pauw Cripples Soon
to Be Back in Shape
though the De Pauw football players were
battered up In tbe game with Centre at
Indianapolis Saturday, It Is believed all
will be able to round into shape within
two weeks and before the Tigers meet
Wabash in their annual struggle at
Washington Park field.
Most of the men who were carried off
the field suffered from twisted snkles or
knees. Centre tackled hard and about
every time a man went down, he was
taken off the field. McCann was prob
ably hurt tbe worst. He suffered a bad
ly wrenched knee.
De Pauw has two weeks to rest up and
recover from her injuries before tackling
Wabash In the last game of the season
for the Tigers. Every effort will be
made In those two weeks to have every
player in the best of condition.
MARTINSVILLE, Ind., Nov 8 —Th •
Martinsville High School basket-bail
team defeated Broad Ripple, 78 to 8, here.
$30,000 Bet on One
Texas League Game;
Contest Ruled Out
Officials Uncover Scandal Evi
dence and Defeat Gamblers
by *No Game? Decision.
FT. WORTH, Tex.. Nov. 8. —More than
*30.000 was bet by oil millionaires on a
single baseball game In the Texas League
last season. It was alleged at a meeting
of owners of the Texas League when a
protested game was thrown out by Wal
ter Morris, retiring president, it became
known today.
The game was played at Wichita Falls
between that team and Dallas. Follow
ing the contest a riot occurred and Um
pire Miller was protected by a squad of
police No one wins by virtue of tbe
fact the game was thrown out. and the
money which has been In escrow pending
decision of the league will be turned
back to the bettors, it was declared.
Texas League officials attending the
meeting of the National Association of
Minor Leagues, in Kansas City, tomor
row, will demand Class A rating for the
Lone Star circuit, it was declared here
President Doak Roberts and Walter
Morris, retiring president, said the Texas
League was no longer willing to submit
to draft from the Western League, which
they regard as a slower circuit.
In the Winter League.
ST. PETERSBURG. Fla., Nor. B.—Out
of deference to the wishes of Kid Elber
feld. Manager Crosley of St. Petersburg
(Fla.) West Cosst Winter League, will
make no further effort to sign his In
dian pitcher. Chief Moses Yellow Horse
to pitch winter ball.
The Kid wired Crosley that Yellow
Horse was only 19 years of age, and had
not finishing growing, and it was his
opinion that pitching this winter might
sap his vitality and impair his efficiency
next year.
Babbles Hargrave, catcher of St. Paul,
who will Join the Reds in the spring
has reported to St. Petersburg and will
be placed In charge of the club on tbe
Rivals Meet Here Saturday in
Probable State Title Tilt—
Other I eresting Gaines.
This week’g Hoosler college grid card
Is attracting keen interest among the
fans of the State, especially those of In
dianapolis. In fact, the inhabitants of
this city have worked up more enthus
iasm over this week's card thau they
hare over any other of the season.
The big reason is this: Notie Deme’s
football combination, Including George
(‘‘Antelope’’) Glpp, Is scheduled to beat
it down to Indianapolis for a battle with
the Crimson athletes of Indiana Satur
day. This game looms as the final word
n the Stnto championship argemen* and
It Is a cinch that neither team will let
t. s o.ii--! it away with anything lii.s an
easy victory.
a urdue will face Northwestern at
Evanston Saturday. The Boilermakezi
machine is beginning to show signs of
wear and tear, but it is believed it will
be able to withstand the assault of the
Northwestern outfit that held Indiana to
a three-pomt victory in Indianapolis re
cently. Coach Scanlon and hi* athletes
turned out today for the first of se
ries of hard drills that will put them In
the best possible shape for the big fight,
and they are determined to make it clear
to the Purple that they are taking "part
In a real gridiron battle.
Naturally Notre Dame Is favored to
win, but Coach Rockne always likes to
have his men fit for plenty of action
when they clash with their cown-state
opponents and he is sending them over
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