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hest men in financial
Continue« from Pago On«.)
what appeared to he an unfair
lint It-took.
Called on Cosgrove.
,• 1 left Henry'« office I went
York and first called on John
I osgrave, In his editorial
, n ihe New York World, on the
ng morning.
t . n w as the Interview with Hr
sdny. Jan. 3."
pic did you sec him?"
mv rooms in the Belmont hotel.
Tork." ,
spoke of
seeing Donald Me
At the Belmont.
tiie early morning of Jan. S. I
right from the train and sat
I lie Belmont hotel breakfast
vhen Mr. McDonald came In and
talile across the aisle. He
ta me. I hadn't spoken to Mr.
raid for probably IB years. But
to me and asked me what
nine on in Washington. I told
f these things that happened in
Tork and said I would like to see
'peligution, but that there would J
1 told him what the chair- |
find said, and he being an oi l
aper mail and publicity expert. I
0,1 him his advice. 1 impressed
m the confidence which your
had Imposed on me, every
heing perfectly friendly between
dry and myself at that time."
ss your chairman said what I
said. I am guilty of foul per
and unfit to be anywhere outside
■s of a prison."
Much' Worked Up.
is very much worked up about
jlcury statement," Dawson said.
Iliad agreed on one. He had said,
„ord it.' I did. He said It was
ml gave both sides, and we shook
on it. When I read his state
it appeared unfair. It looked
ough in the three hours and a
he had asked me over and over
to give him names and that 1
ranted Cosgrave and Ridgeway
• his story, he said, because they
sen of long experience in hand
lin' estigations and he desired to
whether they thought he should
the entire affair or if he owed it
e public to go further,
ncsentative Garrett objected to
on repeating his conversations
those men on the ground that
did not tend to cast any light on
form of questioning was then
cd by Representative Campbell
lv and Lawson continued to ro-,
iis conversation with Henry.
Wants to Say All.
will say, in view of all that has
here,". Lawson declared,
right that you should hear
have to slty. When there is a
difference of opinion—stronger.
\ racity—raised it is perfectly
that one or the other of us is
litting perjury, deliberate, rank
This is no syndicate or na
iink meeting. This is a meet
f a high committee of congress,
y opinion there is nothing of
pi* importance than for your
littee to arrive at a fair and hon
tision and to do that you must
what I have to say."
presentatives Garrett, Foster and
objected to Lawson's argument
there was a stormy wrangle, dur
vhich Lawson shouted that he
Id be heard fully.
May TeU All.
airman Henry ruled that he
d be given an opportunity to tell
i wanted.
\'son resumed his narrative of
nesting with Henry, reiterating
the chairman told him the "leak"
serious for an investigation
t. Lawson said he indorsed that
«wealed to Henry that he had
to do with the money trust in
though Henry, a member of the
aittee, was unaware of it.
In Money Trust Probe.
f told him." I^awson said, ''that I
up much of the information. I
Anally paid the bills of the cx
upwards of $40,000, and asked
o glory except to appear as a
tb re is chance/ I told Henry,
'uplicate that. It is the greatest
that can be done for the Ameri
to Wall street and set up a
," was the advice Lawson said he
Henry. "There," he said, "all of
stock exchange members could be
[honed with their books and clerks
be forced to reveal the inside qf
About Lansing.
•ferring again to his conference
Henry, mentioning Secretary
Zing and Bernard Baruch, Lawson
ed Henry told him the commit
had the substance of all of one of
-ing's talks at the Biltmore hotel
the New York broker and the
^nce of part of another.
"Blow Off Vie Lid."
said to Henry, 'Go through
A to Z\" Lawson testified, " 'and
re one-third done the l(d will be
n off. Congress will know and
world will know who the hypo
are that are making millions/
t was what we talked about in the
hours^and a quarter 1 was with
Ïp asked me one thing before we
the meeting, T ask you to do
he said. Throw the newspaper
off the scent. We cannot gain
h »ng by letting them know that
re coming back here at 3 o'clock.' "
o I met Mr. Henry again at 3
Lawson continued. "He said
Lawson, I'm sorry that we
his time but that he favored a I
al inquiry later into the stock j
"Then he said: 'We'
these things and let
: tloir of one of the interview.....
the conversation of another.)
can't do what you say. I agree with
you that It is a greut thing and a good
thing and all 1 regret is that 1 urn go
ing out of office on the 4th of March.'
Wanted Quick Action.
"I said that there was time enough
yet to do something. Then Henry said
that since we had parted in the morn
ing he had thought It all over and that
he had come to the conclusion that
the matter was too serious to have
made public now. He then added:
What do you say if we get at It again
In 30 days?'
"I said, not at all. It would be side
tracked by that time and we will
never have this opportunity again."
How it Came to Names.
''State the way In which the names
onme to be mentioned first, in your in
terview with Mr. Henry," said Repre
sentative Campbell, republican.
"I entered the room and the chair
man said nice things to me. He
wheeled up a chair and said: 'Take a
comfortable one.' I asked him to havo
one of my cigars and he asked me to
have one of his cigarettes.
een through
liese things and let us be fair with
each other/
"1 said to him that T thought his
committer* would dispute his right to
hold a star chamber session of this
matter and that I probably should
have to talk to the committee. He
said: 'No; it's my duty to* do this.
There are hundreds of things that
come before this committee, many of
them worthless charges, and it is my
duty to sift them and to see whether
they should be given to the commit
They Agreed.
"'Very well/ 1 said, 'but it is un
derstood that we are to think out
loud/ We shook hands on it and
Henry said: 'That's it exactly. What's
proper to give to the public or the
committee we'll give and what isn't
we'll hold in confidence.' I said that
was agreed.
''Now, I said, 'don't ask me to give
names of men who have told me
things in confidence,' and we had a
long talk about that and finally he
said; 'All right, but some time I am
going to have those names or there
won't be any investigation.'
What Henry Said.
"Then Mr. Henry said: 'To show you
where you stand, I'll tell you some of
the things we've got. We have it
that a Mr. Baruch, who made large
contributions to the democratic cam
paign fund, had four conversations
with Secretary Ijansing.'
" 'That's going some,' I replied, 'four
àf 'em.'
"'Ves/ he answered, 'four of them,'
and then he added: (I forgot to state
thiH yesterday—we have the conversa
and part
( have it that Count von Bornstorff,
the German ambassador, is so mixed
j\»p in ft that he made over $2.000,000
1 We've got it up to $2.000.000 now.'
"Then I said to Henry: 'Mr. Choir
man, it does not seem to me thnt you
need me in order to start an invest
gat ion/
Threatening the Party.
"Then Henry asked me: 'Do yc
think Baruch could be mixed up in
tills way, using his friendships in such
a way and involving the integrity of
the democratic party?'
" 'Mr. Chairnjan/ I said, 'i think lie
would be the last man in the world to
do such a thing and I will stake my
head that Secretary Lansing would
not take a postage stamp of profit out
of such transactions even though
these things were floating all around
* Other Leaks.
"Then Henry asked me how these
things could happen and I told h
that there lad! been a big conspiracy
Wall street for months and that
this leak alone was not responsible
i told him how Mexican war informa
tion had been peddled, how situations
were made to order, and 1 said that a
man like Baruch la the market, keep
ing posted naturally, if he unearthed
any information through rumor «»r
otherwise and was certain that people
were making enormous operation**
would take advantage of the market."
Again repeating what he alleged
Henry said to him about Secretary
Lansing and Ambassador Bornstorff.
Lawson added that upon repeating the
rumor about the ambassador, Henry
had said: f
"Do you think that is possible?"
An extended discussion ovöi
whether Henry had said the rumors
had come to the committee or him
personally followed and Lawson said
he was not certain how the chairman
had expressed it. •
Henry Didn't Mention McAdoo.
Representative Garrett then re
quested Dawson to detail just what
he said the chairman told him about
Secretary McAdoo, a banker and «
senator. Dawson insisted that the im
pression that he had coupled their
names with Chairman Henry's Jtate
ments was an error. That informa
tion, he said, came from anothe
source, which he did not name.
"Henry mentioned only Baruch.
Bansin« and Count von Bernstorff."
Lawson declared.
Hadn't Agreed to Ask Names.
Representative Renroot, republican
said he thought It only fair to stat
thai In the prepared questions agreed I
îfpon by the committee and handed to j
Chairman Henry the names of the
cabinet member and the banker had
not been asked for but that they had
been included in the questions by the
chairman when he propounded them
to Mr. Dawson. This led up to Mr.
Renroot asking for a detailed account
of Mr. RawsolVs alleged conversa on
with Archibald S. White about Pliny
Fisk's alleged relations with Secre
tar y McAdoo.
Dawson testified he met White at a
hotel in New York some time late tn
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December and spoke to him about the
rumor« of "leaks."
What Banker Told Him.
"I said to White," Dawson testified,
" 'they tell me your friend Fisk is en
gineering, or superintending, this leak
stock gambling affair; that Harvey
Fiske's sons are handling this In con
nection with C. D. Barney & M'" and
that Pliny Fisk is doing the «leering
The story is that he (Pliny Fisk) is
working with -McAdoo and that It's a
terrific affair. Do you know any
Controlled McAdoo.
"White said: 'You asked me just
in time. I talked with Fisk the other
night (at the club, I think he said).
He got on this subject and he wanted
to show me how he controlled McAdoo
and he almost insisted that 1 go tr the
telephone with him while he called
McAdoo out of bed and maybe ask
him to come to New York.'
"I asked him: 'Didn't you go?' and
he said: 'No,'"
Further questioning by Representa
tive Pou caused I-awson to say he un
derstood Fisk had been out late that
night and was feeling "quite jolly."
Was He Drunk?
''White did say," Lawson continued.
I " 'of course I couldn't go to the phone
j with a friend when he was in h.s
"As a matter of fact," suggested
Representative Pou. "l'isk was "drunk,
wasn't he?"
"No I would not say that. He
probably had been to his chib late and
had eaten and smoked a good deal."
"And his tongue got to running?"
suggested Mr. Pou.
"Yes. I guess that's it." said I-aw
son. "Many a man has had the same
Representative Foster questioned
Lawson closely about the letter he
produced yesterday from Mrs. Ruth
Thomson Visconti, who offered to
give him information about a "white
house official" in connection with the
alleged leak.
My only reason for putting in that
letter," Lawson said, "was because I
I asked if I had any other informa
tion than had been referred to in ques
tions askec| me at the previous hear
ings. Being under oath and having
the letter, I produced it. I had no in
tention of using it and would not have
used it had I not been asked the di
rect question. I almost regretted that
I had the letter with me."
Representative Garrett then asked
about the amounts, which Mrs. Vis
conti told him at his hotel here on
Jan. 10, W. W. Price and Secretary
Tumultté' were reported to have re
ceived. Lawson said as he recalled it,
Mrs. Visconti said Price had received
$5,000 and Secretary Tumulty a much
higher sum.
Representative Patten asked Lawson
if at his conference with Congressman
Henry thé latter volunteered to men
tion the names of a Mr. von Bern
"Yes, he volunteered it," said Mr.
Lawson. "I didn't ask him for it."
Henry's Suestion.
Representative Henry, referring
Mr. Lawson's conference with Cos
grave. Ridgeway and others to whom
he related the substance of his alleged
interview with the chairman, asked
Lawson If he thought that was the
way to keep a confidence.
"You refused to give those names
and your information to this commit
tee and yet you already had told it to
several newspaper men and others,
said Henry.
"Yes, in confidence," 1 .aw son replied,
•"because I wanted their advice, and
yesterday I »»egged your committee to
take it in confidence and then to judge
whether it was worth being made
The chairman did not want any
thing given in secret," rejoined Henry,
"and the house had prepared papers to
cite you for contempt because you
wouldn't give the names you already
had given to several other men."
WUl Not Be Goat.
"Yes," returned Lawson, "I read in
the papers of the tortures being pre
pared for me and of schemes being
concocted to force me to take it. It
was a deliberate conspiracy to dis
credit me and I determined, as I de
elared here, that I w asn't going to be I
made the goat. Even then I pleaded
with the committee to take my in
formation in secret and to see if it
was serious and I explained that ;f
you thought it was serious and should
be made public, the publication of it
throughout the world would be up to
you and not to me."
Lawson related meeting Samuel Un
termyer and Senators O'Gorman and
Owen on a train Sunday, Jan. 7, and
how Untermyer had said to him:
Untermyer's Advice.
"You are in dose quarters, Lawson,
and must handle yourself carefully."
"Then I told Untermyer," Lawson
continued, "I would like to get his
opinion, and as a result of a talk with
him I told you here that I would go to
jail before I would repeat what you,
Mr. Chairman, had said to me in our
interview. Then you said I was free
to tell it all. and I said that your at
titude was too square and too sporty
a proposition and that I did not think
I would tell anyway. And I stuck to
the last ditch."
Leak Story a "Mirage."
Henry's declaration that he still be
lieved his statement correct caused
Lawson to inquire if Henry thought
the "leak" story was a "mirage." as
Henry had said in a statement to the
"Yes," responded Henry.
"God help the American people and
the nation if they get many more of !
these mirages," exclaimed Lawson.
Representative Patten attac ked Law
son for bringing in the name of Price j
merely on the strength of a letter from '
Mrs. Visconti, who cannot now be j
found. j
Lawson defended himself by saying 1
the woman appeared honorable and
made u statement before a man he \
reputable attorney.
lie also said that he w ithheld Price'!
name as long as he could
"Do you imagine," Patten asked,
"that this woman was actuated by high
motives ?"
"No," l«awson said. "I think there
was some great wrong under this
At this point the hearing ad
journed for luncheon and later took a
further recess until 3:30
Chairman Henry said business in the
house required the presence
rules committee.
Others Summoned.
those subp<»enacd
were :
Paul M. Warbufg of the federal re
serve board, charged by Lawson with
knowledge of the leak.
Archibald S. White, who I-awson
says told him that Fisk dominated a
cabinet officer; Malcolm McAdoo,
brother of Secretary McAdoo, and C.
B. Barney and company and Stuart G.
Gibboney, all of New York, also, L&w
son said, he had been told knew of the
Mrs. Ruth Thomason Visconti of
Washington, a clerk, who. Lawson
says, told him Secretary McAdoo, and
W. W. Price, a whit« house cor
the I
Usher of
volved in the leak
respondent, were
John O'Hara ('«»«gravé. Sunday edi
tor of the New York World: Erraan
J. Ridgeway, president of Everybody's
and Donald McDonald, pub
i Boston financial paper, to
whom Lawson says he related Ohnir
man Henry's alleged mention of the
stock gambling pool; John R. Rat horn.
the Providence Journal, who
some articles referring to
editor «
Secretary McAdoo and Secretary
Tumulty, both of whom gave out
statements vigorously denying intima
tiorjs against them, agreed to appear
Washington, Jan. 16.—Paul M. War
burg today issued the following state
"I fall to see why my name should
have been dragged into this invest!
gation. I do not know a thing about
the leak machinery or for that matter
about the leak except what 1 have seen
in the pçess. I have not been
subpenaed, but I am* anxious to he
permitted to testify and have so in
formed tfie committee."
According to reports at the county
health office the city and county aré
remarkably free of contagious dis
ease. At the present time there is but
one case of smallpox in the county.

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