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The Ogden standard. (Ogden City, Utah) 1913-1920, December 22, 1917, 4 P.M. CITY EDITION, MAGAZINE SECTION, Image 22

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E. Collins, 2b, American
Burns, 1 f., KationnL
Cobb, r. f., American.
" Speaker, c f., American.
Chapman, s. s., American.
Sisler, lb., American, j
Groh, 3b, National.
Killifer, c, National.
Mays, p., American.
Alexander, p., National.
I- Recapitulation American League,
j, six players; National League, four
players. Cleveland, with Speaker and
I Chapman, and Philadelphia, with
I Killifer and Alexander, each get two
I players on team. No other club gets
I morp than one player on team,
w-ICKING the all star baseball
w team is an annuel duty. Not
that it counts for much. It
does not. The all-star team Is mere
' ly an expression of individual opinion.
1 Some selectors say that they make
' j ' choice on figures, on performances
! as recorded in the averages, not on
personal grounds.
The Baseball Magazine sets the pace
in choosing all-America teams. It se
lects this team: Chapman, ss.; R. Col-
i lins, 2b; Speaker, c. f.; Cobb, r. f.;
j Roush, L L; Sisler, lb; Zimmerman,
3b; Killifer, c; Alexander and John
S son, p.
I This team, bear in mind, is chosen
not on personal opinion, but on play
ing Tccords. Note also that five of the
seven "regulars" are left-handcra.
j There will bo general disposition to
cavil at the above all-star team. It
I is top heavy with left-handers and
i should be a mark for left-handed
pitchers. Most men would choose
Schalk or Snyder as catchers instead
I of Killifer. Yet Killifer batted .271,
' 1 against the .224 of Schalk and .241
of Snyder. Killlfer's arm was a little
i weak last year but Mb catching is so
I good that he can cover up a weak
I arm. ,
' Honors to Chapman,
j JHrere might bo some challenge-of
the choice of Chapman over Maran
villo for chortstop. But the records
show that' Chapman batted .302 to
Maranville's .260. Chapman stole 53
bases to Maranville's 25. Chapman
leads Cobb in stolen bases, 53 to 61,
and Carey, 53 to 51. Next to Cobb
Chapman is the best run-scorer on the
all-star team. The Cleveland shortstop
scored 98 runs to the 107 of Tyrus and
the 103 of George Burns. Honors
clearly go to Chapman among the
There will be slight disposition to
challenge the propriety of the selec
tion's of Cobb. Speaker and Roush for
the outfield. These players outhit and
outscored all others in their respective
leagues. They are the admitted great
outfielders of the game. Only one man,
George Burns, has any right to com
pete with them for all-star honors.
Burns is a right-hand hitter. The
presence of five left-hand batters,
Cobb, Speaker, Collins, Sisler and
Roush, on the all-star team spoils it
George scored more runs than any
man in the game last year, bar Cobb.
Of course Burns led off for a great
hitting and scoring team. Roush is a
beautiful ballplayer. But if we were
picking a team on fancy, not records,
we'd choose Burns. Tho all-star team
as chosen by tho Baseball Magazine
lacks a real good lead-pff man. Burns
Is a corking first batter, a great run
scorer, a better base runner than
" Roush. But the ClDcinnatian has tho
edgo in batting, .342 to .302.
Wo would be inclined to challenge
the choico of Zimmerman over Groh
for third base. Plainly, we think that'
Groh has it over Zimmerman in every
way that one ball player can have it
on another. Zimmerman outhit Groh
just 1 point, 302 to .301. Groh stole
more bases than Zimmerman and
scored many moro runs, 90 to 62, to
be exact Zimmerman was with, a
much better run-getting club than
Yes, we challenge the selection of
Zimmerman over Groh as third base
man for the all-America team. Groh
is entitled to tho honor. He hit .001
less than Zim, but he scored twenty
eight more runs in six more , games
and with a team that was notoriously
a poor scoring machine.
Two New Names.
The Baseball Magazine's all-America
team of 1917 shows two new
names George Sisler, first baseman
of the St Louis Americans, and Ed.
Roush, center fielder for tho Cincin
nati Nationals. Killifer is having his
first year on an all-star team, but his
namo has been frequently mentioned
for that position. Sisler and Roush
are mentioned in connection with an
all-star team for the first time.
Thus we find eight of the ten mem
bers of tho magazine's team aro vet
erans of many years service. Chap
man has been 7 years In the major
leagues, Collins 10, Speaker 10. Cobb
13, Zimmerman, 11 and Killifer S.
Alexander is a seven-season man and
Walter Johnson -has finshed his elev
enth season in tho American League.
So, you see, veterans, not rc.rulls,
are the stars of the most youthful
game in the world. Which proves that
the average baseball player is at his
best around the age of 33. The aver
age age of the Baseball Magazine's
team would be about 30 years and 4
months. Seven of its ten members
are 30 or a few years over. Without
any doubt Sisler is the youngest man
of the lot Ho is only 24. Roush
would probably come next with 27.
Of course, tho ages of baseball players
aro like the ages of tho prima donna
hard to guess and harder to truly
ascertain. Every baseball player has
two ages, his real and his "official"
age. As a rule, the player of 30 lops
about threo years off his real age. The
boys of 25 cut off two years, but It
is probable that Cobb, with thirteen
seasons in tho major leagues, is 33;
that Speaker, with his gray hair, is at
least 34; that Zim, who was a
bearded man ten years ago, is 35. Can
Walter Johnson be less than 33, when
he has pitched thirteen seasons, eleven
of them in tho American League?
Ray Chapman has earned his place
as the short fielder of tho all-America
team. His nearest rivals in his
own league were Bush, who batted
.271; Scott .326, and Pecklnpaugh, .261.
Insomuch as Chapman is even a bet
ter fielder than either of these play
ers and an incomparably better hitter,
the palm goes to the Clevelandcr.
Bush scored more runs, 113, than any
man in the American League last
year, but he was with an Infinitely
better hitting and scoring team than
Chapman. Bush is older than Chap
man. His arm is not so good as that
of the Illinoisan. He won't make so
many long hits or drivo in so many
runs with hits. Bush is a short hitter
and chiefly a base-on-balls man.
The National Leaguo shortstops offer
little opposition to Chapman, Maran
vllle, Bancroft and Fletcher aro the
star short fielders of Gov. Toner's
league. We have shown that Maran
vllle cannot hit or run bases or score
runs with Chapman. Bancroft is a
beautiful fielder, but a negligible
quantity as a hitter. Even as a fielder
Maranville is tho superior of the Phil
adolphlan. Fletcher is a good man in
all regards, but at every point, hitting
fielding, running, throwing, Chapman
has it on Fletcher. Chapman Is' Just
ono great all-around "player, and
clearly deserves the honor of being
the shortstop on tho all-America team.
In so much as the team as we have
chosen it does not boast a really good
load-off man, wo select Burns for the
position. Chapman is a good lead-off
man, a fine run-gettor. Wje think that
Bush is a better lead-off man than
Chapman, but Chapman excels Bush
in most other ways.
That E. Collins should be the second
baseman goes without saying. There Is
little opposition to Collins In cither
leaguo. Herzog is the outstanding
figure among Nritonal League second
sackers. Collins far oulhit outflelded
and outscored Herzog in 1917. Collins
mado a great record in the world's
series in fact, in all world's series in
which ho has played. Second base Is
his without a quibble. Pratt, his near
est competitor in the American Lea
gue, had a bad season and cannot be
It might bo said here that Collins
should be tho legitimate selection for
tho lead-off batter. He objects to that
position, in fact to any but third place.
So we have him out of lead-off place
and station him second on tho batting
order. Burns is a good enough load
off man for us.
There cannot be any challenge of the
propriety of the selection of Speaker
and Cobb. They are far and away
above all other outfielders and batters.
Only two other outfielders approach
Cobb and Speaker In all-around abili
ty. These men are Burns and Roush.
Personally if we were picking a
team to win camea we'd hesltato a
long time between tho two players.
Wo do not fancy more than three left
handed hitters on any club. We must
have Cobb, Sisler and Speaker and E.
Collins in our Ail-American team.
That gives us four left-handed hitters.
Wo cannot use another lest our team
.bo illy balanced.
The records give Roush tho best of
it over Burns. Yet we have a strong
leaning towards tho left fielder of the
Giants. It may be remarked that the
three outfielders picked by the Base
ball Magazine are center fielders. Of
course wo know that Cobb can play
right field. But wo'd want Speaker
for center. Are we sure that Roush
can play left field as well as Burns
can play it?
Of course any man that can play
center as Roush played it should bo
able to make left to perfection. ' But
Burns has it over Roush and all other
outfielders, save Speaker, in ono
respect ability to play ground balls.
We arc great admirers of Roush. We
deem him a beautiful young ball
player. Yet Burns is a real sterling
player, the soundest man in tho game
on balls hit to the outfield, bar Speak
er. Wo hate to drop Roush off an All
American team, but Burns right hand
gets him tho place.
Tho selection of Sisler marks tho
rise of a brilliant young star and the
passing of a lot of veteran luminaries.
Chase was, and to a great extent
still is, tho greatest of tho great
Handsomo Hal can still outfield all of
them. At his best he could get the
position over Sisler. But Chase only
hit .279 In 1917, while Sisler, batted
.348. Hal, however, scored moro runs
than the Brown star, 70 to 61. Sisler,
however, was-not on a good run-making
First Basemen Scarce.
On the whole, you may say that
there are but two really good first
basemen in tho American League, and
not more than one, Chase, in the
This brings us down to tho catchers.
If you were asked off hand what
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catcher you would select for an all
Amerlcan team, you probably would
blurt out, "Schalk."
But Killifer outhit Schalk, .271 to
.224. What are you going to do about
that? Killlfer's arm never has been
good since it was hurt in 1916 but it
Is good enough to stop runners. Then
Schalk fell down in the world's series.
Many people would pick Frank Sny
der of tho Cardinals a great big fol
low a tremendous catcher in 1915. But
Snyder had a bad season in 1916 and
another bad season in 1917 until the
middle of August Then he got out
and played ball. However he batted
but .243 and he is slow as molasses on
his feet.
No the Baseball Magazine picked it
right when it choso Killfer. He has
tho figures to show that he was the
best catcher in America in 1917,
Johnson's Kecord Average.
Which fetches us to the pitcher.
There will be no discussion of the en
tire propriety of choosing Alexander.
Wilbur Cooper of the Pittsburgh team
had, comparatively speaking, as good a
record as big Alex, last year but
Cooper has not got the "stuff" nor the
winning record that the Philadelphian
has got Only one club won more
games from Alexander than he won
ixom it last season. New York won
three games from and lost two games
to Alex, in 1917. He cleaned up all
the others. He beat St Louis foun
games and lost threo to Rickey's team.
He won threo from Boston and lost
two to tho same club. He won seven
or eight games from Chicago and six
of seven from Brooklyn. He won four
of five from Cincinnati. Sallee won
moro games from each opposing club
than ho lost to it, but his victories
wero not at all so numerous as those
of Alexander. Then Schupp and Sallee
had tho great New York club behind
them, while Alexander had very mod
erate support from tho Phillies. Alex
ander pitched forty-three games,
while Schupp and Sallee pitched only
fifty-four between them. .
The Easeball Magazine assumes to
select tho All-Americans on their rec
ords. It is difficult to see how they
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choose Walter Johnson on record. He
Won twentythreo and lost sixteen
gams cicotto won twenty-eight and
est twelve games. Bagby of eleve
nth T lT!nty-four nd lost twelve.
Ruth won twenty-four'and lost thir
teen. Mays of Boston really had L
best record of all, with twenty-two
won and nine lost Johnson-ford
against all clubs but Detroit was try
average. He won six of gm
Pitched against Detroit Boeat
Johnson in three of five games CM
;aofkwrn' e toCet New
York beat him on three of five occT
sions. Mays did not lose a sorted
any club. Only one club, WashTnln
succeeded in breaking even , xf '
He beat Chicago in four nf T MaySl
Cleveland ando n 7
f fece
While- allee won more games from f tfcj
each club than ho lost to It, he did I 1
not score the overwhelming majorities jn a
Mays scored. Nor did Sallee pitch 0f;
anywhere the number o'f games Mays tho :
Pitched. - pak
No, in figures, Mays, not Johnson,
tbe premier pitcher, not only of tho I -in
American League, but of all other tho
leagues. We do not care about under- f wn
band pitchers, but Mays has the AS' ta.ti0
ures. He must be our choice for the , you s
Ail-American team. May's decisive I perfe
majorities of games won over Chicago tam
and Cleveland, the two clubs that
were Boston's closest contenders to f Is an
the American Leaguo race, marks him the ,
as the pitcher of the year. So w f Jlect
must reject the selection of the Basa . ; J
ball Magazine and chooso Mays in J a tin-
stead of Johnson and reflre Alexander which
as tho first pitcher of our AU-Amer' 0ver
lean team. hesc
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