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Local Rowing Men Fail to See the Justice of
Forcing Courtney Stroke Generally
The suggestion advanced by President James Pilkington of the National
Association of American Oarsmen, that the whole country adopt the Court -
•icy stroke" in rowing does not meet with the approval of local rowing officials
or active oarsmen. The suggestion of the eastern official was published in
yesterday's Call. Among other things, he proposes that Charles E. Courtney,
coach at Cornell university, be made the general supervising coach and that
Courtney appoint assistants the coun
try over. The local association is not
affiliated at present with the National
association,. but it is quite possible
that before many moons such an af
filiation will be made. The approach
of the Panama-Pacific exposition will
mean the possibility of holding the
American national rowing champion
ships on these waters, and unless the
local association 13 affiliated with the
*ast it will be Impossible to brine:
:hese national championships here.
Should the locals affiliate with the
New York governing body it is a cer
tainty that the proposition made by the
"astern president will n»t find favor
with the local followers of brine slash
ing. The whole proposition is consid
pred "dictatorial" by the local men, and
they declare that they will not for a
minute agree to adopt any particular
stroke or have an;/ such methods forced
on them against their will.
While it is admitted that the east
ern Idea is for "best and best" boats
only and not applicable to barges such
as are used on local waters, yet there
is always the possibility of the local
•lubs adopting the shells for rowing
it almost any time, and under these
circumstances there seems a deep rooted
antipathy here against adopting the
Idea of the Courtney stroke. At the
present time barges are the only boats
used by the clubs, the university crews
of the coast being the only organiza
tions that use the shells. The Court
ney stroke never could be used with
success in the barges, rowing in these
boats being more of a short, sharp,
jerky nature—an altogether different
style than is necessary for shell row
Captain Eaton of the University of
■ "alifornia crew is at present in the
east, and during the last few weeks he
has.been making a study of the Court
methods. While it Is quite pos
sible that the blue and* gold captain
will adopt certain parts of the Court
ney stroke—or perhaps the stroke in
loto—it Is hardly likely that Califor
nia or any other organization would
wish to have this stroke forced on them
md compelled to adopt It if they did
not see fit.
Courtney has made a success of his
stroke. That Is admitted on all sides;
but the local men question whether
his etyle of rowing is any better than
say the strokes of Wray of Yale, Pace
of Columbia or Ten Eyck or Ward, or
some of the other first class eastern
•oaches. Local men are of the opin
ion that the Courtney stroke coached
by any one else but Courtney would not
be a success. The stroke could be
brought to a certain stage of profici
ency, but the real perfection of the.
method could only be brought o ! :t by
• 'ourtney himself.
\<;\l\sT X MKORM STROKi:
It is considered in local circli
r would be a hard matter to adopt a
"uniform stroke' , tho country over.
While European nations row a (stroke
that H practically uniform, Bach a
.iniform stroke would have to bo
idopted by the oarsmen of this country
.■>>• degrees. A uniform stroke has
advantages, but then again there
are many strokes differing Blight!?
,Rom the regulation strokes that have
proved better time and again than the
pnjsed methods of mwinp.
CoartnejT stroke la recognized as a fast.
stroke ami one of the best for
rowing, but it will not do to try to
•'oree this stroke on unwilling oars
Ed Lynch, president of the local as
tion. does not favor the idea.
"If at any time the Pacific Associa
tion of Amateur Oarsmen does affiliate
KTfth the national association," said
Lynch last evening, "it is hardly likely
that wo will aisrrr'f to have any par
i< iilac kind of stroke forced on us as
;. condition of joining the association
T realize th.it we do not row shells
it) our association, but if the time ever
■ umps when we do adopt them we want
a hand to row whatever methods
rt-ft feel lik- . Personally I would not
favor the suggestion of the eastern
latfon, and I hardly think the
roast rowing clubs would agree to such
■ proposal."
"Pop" B*ll, "father of the i owing
game on the cxuuH" ajui present secre
tary of the coast association, also was
opposed to the eastern suggestion.
"The Alameda Rowing club," Fair!
Bell last night, 'is affiliated with the
national association, and if any such
suggestions are officially received from
the east I am sure the Alameda men
will oppose adopting the Courtney
stroke. Kach club has a right to Its
own independent ideas of rowing. It
has a right to adopt and use whatever
stroke it wishes. We are always will
ing to learn out here and always open
to argument. If we are shown wherein
the Courtney stroke is such a superloi
style that it should be made a national
stroke, then we shall be willing to con
sider the matter, but we are not in fa
vor of having this or any other stroke
shoved down our throats."
Joe Lewis of the Ariel club, com
menting last night on the dispatch in
The Call, said:
"I do not approve of the idea at all.
The Courtney stroke might be the best
stroke in the world, but I doubt if any
other coach than Courtney could gex
the same results out of his ideas. The
Cornell man knows his stroke down to
the ground and has made a success of
it, but that does not mean that the
country at large should be asked to ac
cept this method just on that fact. I
am sure all local clubs affiliated witn
the national association will oppose the
suggestion made by President Pilking
Bray Thorning, prominent member of
the local association and manager of
the champion Alameda crew that won
the championship of the mid-Pacific at
Honolulu last year, said:
"I dont' think any individual or or
ganization ehould try to dictate what
stroke should be used nationally. I an.
of the opinion that th* , various strokes
help to make the competition
keener. The Alameda stroke, to our
way of thinking, is the most success
ful barge stroke ever used, but that is
no reason why we should ask the clubs
of the coast to adopt our methods of
rowing. I am not in favor of the
eastern suggestion from any point of
Ed Scully of the South End Rowing
club and the P. A. A. O. had the fol
lowing to say:
"The clubs of the Pacific Association
of Amateur Oarsmen have Ideas of
their own on what strokes suit our re
quirements best, and under no consid
eration would I be in favor of the
adoption of the eastern idea. Any
club throughout the country should be
given its right and privilege of adopt
ing whatever stroke suits the condi
tions the best."
J. S. Phillips, president elect of the
Dolphin Rowing club, said:
"I don't think the National Rowing
association could or should attempt to
force an unwilling horse to water. If
they try to force the coast clubs to
their way of thinking I am afraid that
we all will be disfranchised on this
const. The Courtney stroke for club
rowing on the Pacific coast is impos
sible, it never would suit the condi
tions umicr which we row on local
-kvat<!■-.. i further think it will be an
impossibility to bring about the adop
tion of a uniform stroke throughout
the '.-ountry.' .
Handball Tournament Is
Full of Class
The opening games of the T. M. C.
A. doubles handball tournament last
night brought out some good exhibi
tions of the game. The surprise of
the « ontest was the poor showing of
Short and Murphy, who have been play
ing good ball in practice. Oehlroan
and Hansen and Jorgensen and Delflne
were the teams that showed to best
advantage in the opening games last
night. The results were as follows:
Oeblman and Hansen defeated Sbort and Mur
fby. 21--13, "1 —2t>.
an<l IMfine defeated B!unb»rc and
Riebfttl. 21—17. 21—9.
Tenuunt and McVey defeated Knotturr and
Swene. 21—7. 21—11.
McCarthy and Mettnau defeated Euros and
Shea, 21—15, 21—IS.
Stanford Opens Today With
Likely Lot of Material
Ready to Work
From present indication track and
field prospects at Stanford arc good for
the coming , season. The doors of the
big university down at Palo Alto swing
open today for the second semester
and with a majority of last year's team
bark, considerable , strengthened by the
addition of many cracker jack fresh -
men, it looks as If Dad Moulton and
Captain Campbell would put a strong
team out for the big meet with Cali
fornia in April.
Th<* new comers at Stanford Include
many that have shown ability in prep
schools, and if they are able to do as
well fn varsity company they will be
a big acquisition to the cardinal forces.
Moulton will get busy with the track
squad right away and should develop
some high class performers during: the
coming season.
The Stanford student body is busy
trying to figure out whether George
Horine, worifi's record holder in the
high jump, will be back this semester.
The Jumper is a man of mystery. He
is now employed in a local sporting
goods house, and it is hardly likely
that he will give up his position. There
Is. nevertheless, an air of indecision
about Horine, and it would not cause
much surprise if he did decide to re
turn to the dear old campus.
Should Horine not return, Dad Moul
ton will depend for the high jump on
Argabrite and Finney. The latter tied
lust year for third place in this event
with Hill of California, No freshmen
proficient at the high jump are known
to have registered yet.
The mile event will see Fletcher back
in harness once more. He won this
race for Stanford last year, defeating
Wood of California in a hard race and
setting a new California-Stanford rec
ord of 4 minutes, 28 2-5 seconds for the
distance. Murray, who took third
honors, is also back at the farm. The
freshman material includes a man with
a rep from Fortland, in W!ls>on, who
has a great record in northwestern
high school circles. Another man who
will strengthen the distance brigade is
a junior named Cox. He has never com
peted for the cardinal, but has* been
showing up well since he came out a
few months ago. Branner, Price and
Dodge, all two-milers, are also back.
The sprinters will be headed by Cap
tain Campbell, as good a quarter miler
as he is a sprinter. He took second to
Todd of California In the quarter last
year. McKeen, who played a prominent
part In the sprints of 1911 but was in
eligible last year, is once more able to
enter the dashes. Brown, the veteran
who took third place In the 220 last
year, will be another strong man in
the dashes. A freshman with a rep
as a sprinter is young Needham, the
former Ban Jose high boy, who made a
big name for himself in the Academic
league meets a couple of seasons ago.
Besides Campbell, the quarter mile
will be well taken care of with Robb
and Gard. both of whom competed last
April. Wallace, another good quarter
miler, has not returned yet and his
movements are unknown. A big addi
tion to the quarter and half mile out
fit will be Mickie McClure, a sopho
more, who was ineligible last season.
Bonnett, winner of last year's half
mil* , , is back and with McClure will
make a great team for this event.
The fact that McClure Is eligible for
the coming season Is giving the Stan
ford men great confidence, as he is
looked on as competent to give the best
man at California a big argument. He
is fast over both the quarter and the
half mile and probably will run in both.
The hurdles will not have one of last
year's veterans for the coming year
unless Captain Coleman decides to run
the low barriers. Gene Kern will not
register after this semester and Smith
will not be eligible. Moulton has a
better looking lot of freshmen hurdlers
to start tho season with than he has
had for years past. This baby outfit is
led by young Whitted, who created a
sensation last year by establishing a
new world's intcrscholastic record of
15 2-5 for the high sticks and the same
afternoon running the low hurdles in
25 2-5. Besides this man, Norton and
Murray, two freshies registering from
Palo Alto high, are worthy of mention,
both having high class records. Urban,
I formerly of Mountain View high, is an
Copjrrixhu 1»12. by R. U Goldber*.
Snodgrass Has Ride
in the Black Maria
(By r*vleral Wireless)
LOS ANf ELES, Jan. 6.—Fred
Snodgrais, vrho dropped the fly
in the championship Merles,
dropped his air of confidence last
nigrht for a period. He was ar
rested at the door of his friend.
Art Sbafer, also some note In the
baseball ivorld. Shafer is the
man of "perfumed notes ,, fame.
When he jroes ont vralklng he
looks so young? and say he has
to take the «lo|irs along; to keep
the r.tlh avray. Last night be
had an rncnKcmcnt with one of
the fair ones and save his key
**in? to Snodgrass and told him
to (to to bis home nnd fret a rain
coat he bad borrowed from the
famous fielder, chafer's sisters
heard Snodgrass trying to gret
into the house and phoned the
police. They arrived promptly
and Snodgras* had a ride in the
patrol wasrtm notwithstanding
his protestatlcvns of his probity.
It tva* neoesnary to send for
Sbafer to e*e<*t the release of his
other hurdler who will be heard
and Templeton is another, though he ■
was ineligible last year.
The hammer and weight event will
be the weakest point of the Stanford
otufit, none of last year's men having
returned and no new material having
shown up. In the broad jump Don
Dawson, a sophomore, and Argabrtte
will both be on deck.
The pole vault will have Miller and
Stevens, two point winners, back in the
game. Miller tied for first- place with
Vail last year, while Stevens tied with
several others for the other place.
Templeton will be a big addition to the
pole vaulters, being capable of 12 feet.
coftey ouTPonrrs peters
(Special Dlnpatcn to The Call)
NEW YORK. Jan. 9. —Jimmy Coffey, who ad
mits Is a Mohawlt Indian, but whose kinkr
hair would gUe rlee to the opinon that he Is of
another race, outpointed Dick Peters, in one of
the fastest 10 rounds of the season at the Olym
pic Athletic club tonight.
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Local 1915 Race Leader Has
Word From Sir Thomas'
Chosen Skipper
Sir Thomas Lipton already has
started to make up the personnel of his
crew to bring over the Shamrock to
this coast for the big 1915 International
yacht race. Thomas L. Miller, head of
the local syndicate that Is building the
California yacht to race the Shamrock
1n 1915, yesterday received word from
Captain Thomas Fleming Day of New-
York that he had promised Sir Thomas
Lipton to sail the Shamrock from Eng
land to San Francisco to participate in<
the great race.
Day Is the editor of the well known
yachting: magazine. The Rudder, and
is one of the best known yachtsmen in
the east. He is an experienced skip
per and devotes his attention to ocean
sailing nearly all the time. He is the
man who sailed the 2'> foot yawl Pea
Bird across the Atlantic in 1911. and
last year he again brought himself into
fame by taking the 35 foot motor boat
Detroit across the big drink. Both
these trips at the time were classed as
"foolhardy," but the old skipper got
away with them.
Miller yesterday said that everything
was going along satisfactorily for the
building of the local yacht to race
Llpton. The models of the best 23
meter yachts the world over are being
collected, and when Captain Prank
Stone makes his report after touring
Ui« east the plans will be drawn up.
' OAKLAND. Jan. 6.—A midget 05 pound bas- '
krt ball five has been formed among the crack
young bantam toseers of the Young Men's
Christian association, and the little lade are out
with a defl to any team of their weight in the
country. The team will compose the following:
Forwards, O. White and J. Spence; center, M.
Cowell; guards, W. Lorimer. A. Macdonald and
G. Nldereet. They are workiug out daily and
arc getting into trim to annex the state cham
pionship in their weight.
Consolation Found in Fact That Pasadena's
Four Was a Weakened One
j , . , , + v- r-inaHians on Coronado field yesterday ha«
clcna polo team Dy me Msuing wuduiauj «« *_
Harry VVeiss, it succeeded in wresting the John D. Spreckels all America cup
from Lord Tweedmouth's British in
Local enthusiasts take some conso
lation in the fact that Pasadena pre
sented a considerably weakened line
up in yesterday's match, but, just the
same, they were severely drubbed to
the tune of 9 to 3=4.
The absence of Tom Weiss from
Crown city line up and the lnferU r *
playing of the substitute, Robert Q.
Neustadt, who is rated only as a one
goal man, probably enabled the Cana
dians to roll up their big score. Never
theless, the brilliant showing of the
Calgary mallet wielders. and partic
ularly the fine showing of O. A. Critch
ley, the colonials' new No. 3. has
caused no small amount of apprehen
sion here.
Transbay Y Quintets Do
Things to locals
The Berkeley 120 pound basket bail
ers won their league game last night
against the San Francisco T. M. C. A.
quintet by a score of D 6 to 33 on the
local court. The Berkeley team ex
celled in team work, their passing
being fast and accurate and their goal
shooting good. The San Francisco
team was crippled through the dis
qualification of Clarre, the star for
ward,, who failed to make the weight,
being two pounds over the limit. His
absence demoralized the team work of
the locals. In the 110 pound game be
tween the Oakland and San Francisco
teams the Oakland boys had a walk
away, the final score being 63 to 5.
SMILEHS 29, Y. M. I. 23
(Special Dispatch to The Call)
LIVERMOHE. Jan 6.—The Smilers basket ball
team of San Francisco defeated the Y. M.. I.
team tonight, with a score of 29 to 23. The
game was closely contested all through, Tobin
of the Smilers showing the best form.
LINCOLN, Neb.. Jan. 6. —In a letter to Sec
retary Whitten of the Lincoln Commercial club
received today Norris L. O'Neill, president of the
ITestern Baseball league, cays he has no idea
the headquarters will be moved from Chicago,
where, be says, it rightly belongs.
Tomorrow afternoon the Hlllsborough
players will gather at Crossways flel.l
for a cut in practice. The play will
commence at 3 p. m., and all the local
stick wielders have been requested to
be present.
Round Robins at Coronado
CORONADO, Jan. 6.—With the Pasa
dena-Calgary polo game over, the
players at the Country club will meet
this week In round robin matches.
These are practice games and many
shifts in the lineups of the various
teams will be made. Matches are ex
pected nearly every afternoon until
Sunday, when Pasadena and Coronado
will play.
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