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iv ion THE SOUTH BEND NEWS-TIMES 71 Coim ti th P V the 1 besa Hi 9 1V roots die JUL nnnnn.nTrnp Mrrn WHAT ARE YOb GONNA DO WITH IT?-By Goldberg ARVARD GETTING lin r'rtH i OR YALE Fighters Demand and Percentage Guarantee Capt. Brickley Manages to Put Over a Drop Kick But There is Doubt Whether or Not He Will Be Able to Play. Who Stages Fight Generally Loses His All. i:irM w, o i:ip.t Days White 21 uumu i l. TRUST r.v r.; Mv .. m i:kf. NEW VOIIK. Nov. ts. -Ti..- i-M promoters ought to g t t i ;,n ! frm little trusc f:- i purpo -,. t. thwarting the light, rs in t!i.;- ep i(p to get about !)!. M pr r. nt of -ill ri. money that is taken in at t V i.-x i- Promoting pri7' fil't -rs in th:s thriving metropolis a"d in o'h r etti'-s is Just profitable as rai-ing ebb k "is in rmc's bark yard. Fin en the light ers started demanding guarantees and hugh percentages. lii the olden das the ! nnioi' rs ullfi down a fairly sizeable va! for their trouble in staging a bout. Rut times have changed. The greedy lighters want about all the money that ? taken in at the box otiire. AfUr the lighters get their guarantee it leaves the promoters just about naugh to po out aiul buy t henu elver; u couple of packages of chewing gum. In somo instances the promoters suf-i-ra linancial loss. This condition will continue Just so lorn; as the promoters permit tho lighters to dictate their own ex orbitant terms. The longer tins con dition exists the worse it will be for the tight citric, for witli the lighters ontinuully increasing their demands It means that the promoters must boost the admission i ri s to meet he increasing guarantees lor light" rs. That will hurt the attendance. Mut Fix a S-ah There Is just one way for the pro moters to beat the money mad light ers and that is for the promoters to ix et together and agree to fix a cer tain scale for lighters ami stick to that scale. The promoters to enable themselves to "get out from under" in all boxing oouts without suffering a less should force the tightens to tight for a cer tain percentage, of the gross rec eipts. J The business of guaranteeing the lighters a fixed sum isn't fair to the J promoter. It's a gamble with him. He may clear something on the bout, but if the weather is bad or some thing else turns up to dec rease the at- I oci.LV- yNtfp' - " 1 BRELLA HMSbLE " - K 'i'1;'! y 7'- " Wi'V v.' 1 . " x,"-1 v v. V--V .' l . 1 f ( ;,. v4-, v 'tv ' A'vVs-- I r r A p kzf r ,M !l ffl --. - v : :!r -1 . --- . S-r-.r- --7'.; 5 -.. . - ;, 'TT u7! " ' " bi&Hw Afj.b. V-. . ' '1 vrseLF i 3B,ih Itowtmn? e? I pllgl u fighters were paid, when the other bills were paid anl when the state boxing commission irot it's share there was just about $1,5 JO left to be split among the members of the promot ing (dub. And this $l,."f'0 was their gross divvy. The club that (Jibson was managing had spent hundreds of dollars to land that light. KhhU'1 to (iet Itlcir. A new crowd of promoters headed by James J. Johnson is conducting tights in -Madison piare Harden now. When they entered the field they fig ured that they could make money. They had the idea that bulky profits could be made "if the thing is run right." They thought other pro moters had failed to grab large prof- tendance, he not only doesn't get a j its because they didn't manage things START WORK FOR dollar for his time and labor, but he loss money cm the venture. However, the lighter will continue to get the bulk of the gate rtK:cipts as long as the different light pro moters continue to compete with each other and try to outbid each other to get Ptar bouts. Fighters will play both ends against the middle In try ing t "shake down" the promoters for the largest sum possible, and the best the picmoters will get is tho w rst of it. Quits PUgusted. Hilly Gibson connected with the tight game in New York for many years, quit It a short time ago. Gib son was regarded 'as. tho most suc cessful fight promoter in the east and also the shrewdest. Yet Gibson iuit the game in disgust, and gave, out ligures to show that the fighters get nearly all the money taken in at tho -rate and that the promoters get lit tle and sometimes nothing for their efforts. "Conditions are bad now hut they will get worse." said Gibson. "Those fighters each day are yelling for big ger guarantees or bigger percentages." Gibson staged the Willie liitchie Leach Cross fight in New York last winter. The house was packed. The :ight drew nearly $22.C00. Kverybody iimirotl that this would mean a liar vest for the promoters. When th. as they should be manaired Johnson staged the Freddy Welsh Ad Wolgast light. It was expected that the house would bo about $20, 000. Instead it was slightly over $1?., 000. The state's' share was nearly $700. The cost of printing, hall hire, police hie, usher hire, publicity, ad police hire, usher hire, publicity, ad incidentals was nearly $2,500, accord ing to the best figures obtainable, Johnson put on some lirst class pre liminaries. IIe had to pay about $4 00 for them. Welsh got $4,373 for his share of the receipts and about $l0o in addition "for railroad fave and training expenses." Wolgast yot 2 60 for his 20 or 2 4 minutes oi' work, and also he got about $200 to $20J for extra expenses. Figure all these items up and you will find that Johnson and his as- SYRAGUSETODAY Metre Dame Team Expects Stiff Opposition But Men Are in Good Shape and Pros pects of Victory Are Bright. Ci i.'.'i t ic tvtir irirl.'n1 tlrrVt i - .1 .1 , . wv ..m . ..iw infill II1W cy f.,,,o jM .rf.n.rnl ! to get the bout and who worked about , 1 f i fv hi.nr m .lnv nftnr Hv .rrtt tU , "S best exhibition so as to make its staging as perfect as possible, got just about enough net profit for their efforts to enable them to go out and buy themselves two or Practice will be resumed by the Notro Dame football team this after noon In preparation for the final game of the season with Syracuse at Syra cuse Thanksgiving day. Students are now eagerly looking forward to the battle with tho strong eastern university eleven. A week ago the fans looked toward the Syra- 1 cuse g; me with apprehension, bat since Notre Dame's brilliant victory . ever Carlisle at Chicago last Satur j day the supporters of the gold and ldue see a good chance. for victory. I DMPhl'E llOlft nut i u (rii-nn i . ... ..x.j nivi V liui no J-l fclt-ll III! any statements as-to Noire Dame chances against Syracuse and prohab Ml a. r w r . win, not. iiowever, it is me consensus of opinion of do pesters, critics and it Notre Dame gave of the season a-ainst Carlisle last Saturday and that if the team plays the same brand ONE POINT WlfJS 1 FOR 2. B. QUINTET Another victory was netted by the Z. LI. basketball quintet last night when the Federals were defeated in a hard fought contest by a score of 20 10. The game was played at the Z. B. hall on W. Division st. A. Aftoki and F. Aftowski, forwards, for the Z. F. five, were the feature performers of the contest, the former scoring eight points with four baskets and the lat ter scoring 10 points with five baskets. Makielski scored two points for the victors. Sousley and Ermande played the star game for the Federals, who put the Z. 15. five to the limit of their en durance by their speedy playing. The two Federal men tallied three; baskets each while Zilkey scored two baskets and Lower one. Z. Hs (2a) Federals (U) F. Aftowski . . night Forward A. Aftowski Left Forward. Dojewicz Center. J. Makielski Right Guard. Rozewiez, Reckic-wic?. Left Guard. BOWLING SCORES C. A. C. LFAGLF SINGERS Dimock Osborne Parshall Marquis . . , Collins Handicap J. Sousley E. Lower , Ermande . . . Zilkey . . McKecl three soda waters and a nice, new cent necktie. Don't fail to come and bring your friends to the turkey dinner at First M. K. church on Thursday. Nov. H-antiful larg' dining room. Dinner ."'' Adv. li ID d D D 51 1 PI 77m; Oiiiililv Itrrr Conspicious as a means to a beginning and an end the beginning of new blood and bodily strength, and an end to pain and physical unfitness. J o J r ot football on turkey day they will at least give Syracuse a hard battle with even chances for a old and blue vic tory. After their two days of rest the local varsity men are ready to begin the work in preparation for the Syracuse contest. Tho team came out of th.' Carlisle game in good condition but the short rest has served to allow them to work off the minor cuts and bruises which they suffered in the Indian fray. Several of lii" stars will appear in the?r .last college games of their ca re e.- and they are determined to make it tlvMi h-f name. Players who have for the past three or four ears star-t- l on Xi tif Diiim 'b-vens will nev.r be. seen in action on Carthr liHd again. Just what the nature of todav's practice will be the coaches hae not as i-t announced. Ylu-y are, however hoping that wathT conditions will be improved o that the workouts for thk Sraense game will be hiuhlv success ful. S;m Fiuegan will undoubtedly np Par in the Syracuse ame. He saf leicd an injury to his ankle in nrae tico for the West Point game a nil did 'lot take the trip east. t'oaehe thought it advisable to keep him nil x :" ihe Carjisb yame and the men made siii h a "oii showing that tans ,i,':i'e he will have . hard time beat ing the others. 3 mm ID JOHNSON 10 FIGIII OVER HE Tom Jones Arranges Match in Juarez, Mexico Johnson Gets $30,000. Totals C. A. C. S. I. Robinson Campbell .... Moredock .... Schneider . . . Holland Handicap .. Totals 14G 154 174 474 145 99 154 398 114 169 155 43S . 1S7 162 126 475 , 159 150 156 465 141 141 141 423 S92 S75 906 2673 . 222 202 182 606 170 202 181 553 175 220 142 537 14S 177 178 503 , 212. 156 170 53$ 32 32 32 95 959 9S9 885 2S33 TOM M ' GAR EY TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH FIGHTS Tortorich Faction Promises Cal ifornian War if he Comes to New Orleans. CAMBRIDGE, M;tss.. Nov. 1. With one more day remaining for practice work in Cambridge Coach Haughton sent his charges through a, scrimmage Tuesday with the seconl team. The second team put on the Y.iIj plays. The varsity spent the greatef part of t the afternoon playing s t defensive. A little time was also con sumed by practice on the offensive. 1 Capt. Rrickley was in a serim I mage play Tuesday afternoon and , managed to put over a drop kick from the 40-yard line against the second ; learn. There is doubt whether h ! will be able to take any part in tha laie game. Franeko, fullback, returned to the) line-up Tuesday, his leg not being s-j badlv bruised as first renorted. i Soucy, first string enter, also r -! ported today. Soucy will be a great l addition and should prove a tower of strength on the defensive. His return i t.. v I,.,., i ...... ,.v, , . . i n iii' in i ti i, iii i lit i U life to the squad. Wallace, who h been playing center, will act as lir&t sub, ami Higeiov, the utility man, will be held to be put in cither at tackle or guard, whichever is ne-ccs-sary. The line-up Tuesday was .as fol lows: Colliclge, left end; Parsons, left tac kle; Pennock, left guard; Soucy, cen ter; Weston, right guard; Trumbull, right tackle; Hardwick, right end; Ixgan. quartcrb:u-k; J'.radlee. right halfback; Mahan halfback; Franeko, fullback. It was the strongest line-up Har vard has put in the tield since tkrt middle of the season. YALE VARSITY PUT THROUGH SCRIMMAGE IMS' IjKAGUE. JEWELS Birk 13 3 Zubler 119 Phillips 120 Hinklo 89 Schuell 146 Handicap . . u U 114 115 147 108 122 326 12S 119 130 133 124 326 353 397 330 O O f J . 978 Totals TEETH Mangold C. C. Barnes H. . Barnes . . Moll Low Score . . Handicap . Totals .933 932 960 2825 . . 1 o - t u O 394 3SI 474 7 9 -2 . 90 84 119 .107 137 !U .157 119 ITS .100 137 144 .13 17N 174 .26t 2t'.4 264 .S91 919 910 NEW ORLEANS. Nov. IS. New- Orleans is to see a war between prize fight promoters. After having said in an off-hand manner that he would not oppose the entrance of Tom Mc-I Carey of the Pacific coast as a pro-: nioter here, Dominick Tortorich, local : impressario and protomer of con tests at the west side and Orleans; athletic clubs, today threw down the gaunlet to McCarey and dared him to come here to produce fights. "I was largely responsible for put ting through a bill giving us 20-round bouts and now that the game has! i i .. i ueen legislated out oi existence on the coast I do not think it is fair for McCarey to encroach on the ter ritory, around here. I do not think there is room for two arenas." AYTLKKs lm;fi:. P.IIJS Barnhart Rivers Low Sco v . . . CHICAtP). Nov. IS. Tom Jones, manager of Jess Williard, white hope, was here la.-t night continuing- the signing of articles in London for a battle between Jess Williard and Jack Johnson. Jones said that Jack fur ley, who is promoting the light, ob tained Williard's signature to the articles before he went abroad to git the negro champion's consent. Juarez. Mexico, jast across the Rio Crande from El Pas-., will be the scene of the light. Jones said a?--rangements already had been made for the safe conduct of Johnson to Mcxie.j. Each f the boxers deposited M,"Mi to guarantee the appearance at the ringside. Johnson is to receive ciia lor fighting. Wetzel . . . Kb's Handkap Totals . . PRONG S Bredemus . Andress . . Knoblock ., Low Score Leiber I landkap Totals . . .146 .135 .15 4 .143 .123 . 1 V6 .124 .171 .193 . is:. . i .13 7 .94 5 156 124 1st 134 1 I). 1S6 177 n;o 164 136 135 IS6 2120 479 419 4 99 413 3 9 J 55S MARKS SET BY MEN INC.A.C. LEAGUE 902 9DS 2747 151 129 149 167 1! '137 200 123 154 170 1 .6 137 475 426 4 9 6 395 514 411 '.Kai 2Sl' FEDERAL LEAdFE. iRPHANS Fw T Ml J3. One bottle at mealtimes and WATCH! The Muessel Brewing Co. Bell Phone 55 Home 5055 ARROW (COLLAR 2 for 23 c ee!i Clat(, f f iVJj A Co., Iff. Hilrr HIGH SCHOOL TEAM TO PLAYF0R CHARITIES tlnr cities )esides South Bend ill aid in swelling the fund of "Good ill WeeK. Alter a long talk overt the hk distance phone Tuesday, 'oa"h ,i tzb r of the high school, se cured the St. Joe high school team for a football gam here on Friday, the proceeds of which will go to swell the "tlooii Will" fund. St. Joe los-d her sen son last Sat urday, and was reluctant to come for a game, until the fa"t was mentioned that the ganie was to be for charity's sake, 'v hen they promptly agreed to send the team. Principal Sims and Ce-ach Mtzlcr issued a stafement Tuesday night, en dorsed by the student body in which thy tendered their thanks to the ,-t. Rnrkart . . . lirown Leideman . . Staples .... Lucas Handicap Totals . . . PAWNS W. Milhr S. Miller .. Parker .... Strayer .... Van Kirk . Handicap Total. . . . . 15S . . lis . . U 4 . .1S5 ..162 . .121 . .92S ..150 ..155 . . 1 6 o . . 154 ..15 5 . . 1 3 t 917 146 l;:4 138 ! 112 J-3 323 I 161 l-2 507! 151 ' 14 9 4S5 : 17L 21 4 54S 121 121 3C3 803 S73 2664 122 U2 10 132 11 5 412 12 12J 414, 19? Ii3 520; 129 172 4 57 : 1.-.7 1-7 lllj S41 StO 261 $ j ATTELL CANCELS MATCH CHICAGO. Nov. 1. Al e Attell. the former l oatnerweisni ciuiioriuu. n has been training for three days lor a cone back" test against George Clitr.ey at Toledo on Thanksgiving da v. will be unable to meet the P.al tiniore tighter. He1 dislocated his b ft thumb in the workout Tueday and Um1.iv alled off the match by wire. vMt- their PhocniT llo-o for Men and Women ADLER BROTHERS On Miclilc.in And Washington Mnco lb81. .Joseph's aggregation for their ; ance in the good work, y.zal for spo r t n i a n ! i k e .. n d i ; -1 s. Mcrehant.- liave signiiied their in tention of oc.sting the game and sev eral of the l.-'rger stores assured CVa;-h Met.b r that they will i !ose their doors during the afternoon. The CluimiKT of Commerce is working in conjunction with Mrtxler and everv one of tile se me:t;'efy. will be urge.! to buy a ticket. Sa-on tickets which h-ve .beep issued will not be good fur this -a me. MAGEE THOUGHT TO HAVE CONTRACT WITH "FEDS." ST. LOFIS, Mo., Nov. 1 S. Lee Ma gee, infield er for the Ft. Lot: is Na tionals, has served a formal 10 days notice to the club. It is believed here Magee will join the Federal league. Pres't Ihitton issued the following i statement: "I am told that Magee has an offer from the Federals of a three-yea:- con tract at ?6.00 a year and a $2,000 bonus th.j moment he signs." c. a. c. li;a;i i:. Pins. W.- L. Athletics 22,M7 21 6 Singers 23,3.s5 17 1 C. A. C 2 3,6 52 1 11 P. raves 2 3,4 6'. 11 13 Colts 23,40:: 1 l i Giants 2 2,7 6 3 11 16 Stars 20.26 4 s 16 Cubs 13,72 2 5 p. H. ;. Pin. Tuttle 16 6.::;;:: Harlin s j; v. 51:: Coipiillard ; 2t lv Norseman s. :::: i,hn Moredock lt :pt 5.5::i Parshall 36 is ::.::i6 Holland s t.; 2."2; Haugan 1 2 2 7 i.'.tl'.t Pollock :::: :: :. Kauffman 17 4.11 Hager 1 0 1 .;i 5 Vesey 4 2 12 2.1 1 Schneider 12 Is .:. 1 p . Lee ."0 : 1.''5 2 L-e 50 u l.o 5.: Messiek 2 5 17 2.'.7:: Robinson, S. P.. s J2 7. 32 1 Collins 11 2 1 5. Christman 5o 2 1 3 Osborne 10 2 1 3,625 Keetiey 25 :;n 5.ir,;t Zigler ::7 1 ::.e;cs Colip 1 " :: 5,15m Murdock 3 7 2 6 I.15I Pruyne 5 24 l.s." Romine : 2 2 :.7.:i Robinson. S. M..22 2 1 :,5 t. Purger 1 17 2.s; i White 3 2 2" .3.363 I lihhej d t 7 17 'J. v,v Fulmer is 15 2.516 Ash 15 2 6 4. :::;: Paxson 3 5 2 1 ,,.5 ( 2 MacLean :'.' 27 1.52 'ovr 1 2 27 4.ts Hoffman b 6 ..".C ' Adler 11 2' ::. :: 1 2 Lontz 2o ::, j.hi Rruggner 35 2" 3.3''7 Haeske 1" 3 1 5.12': Campbell ...... lo 2 4 ::.131 h'hirk 3 2 12 l.!5 4 LIvengood 42 25 i.32 Manjuis 2 4 . 21 3,3 76 Potter 39 10 l,6o 1 Solarek 17 2o ::.12 Fox 4S 2 4 3.6 57 McVicker 2$ 4 6"l Eldredgo 3 4 7 1..M2 Reitner 28 6 a 15 Greiger 45 5 353 Pet. NEW HAVEN, Conn.. Nov. IS. Rounded into rirst' class physical con dition by the cool weather, tho YaU varsity team was driven through hall! an hour's scrimmage drill against tho scrubs Tuesday afternoon. Usually the regulars are rested the entire week between the Princeton and Harvard games, but Coach HinkNy's policy is more spartanlike. Jle had every player except Fred ,Stillman in thu 40-minute signal rehearsal that open ed the work behind closed gates on edd Yale field. Carroll. Knowles and Guarel Conroy, were excused from tho scrimmage. Slillman, Conroy and Knowles are all suffering from slight ly sprained ankles, but will be in tip top form by Saturday. Chandler was In Conroy's berth and Mai Scovil succeeded Knowles. Chand ler recovered a scrub fumble and Scovll scored the lirst of the two touchdowns which the varsity teok evor. Nick Carter was again at right end and his downfield running and tack- i ling equalled the form he exhibited j when he was lirst string choice last j wee.k. Fred ,tillman will start at Harvard game far from his best form. 'Carter will play most of Saturday' ; game. ! It was announced Tuesday night i that Yale will play no post season game for the benefit of the European j Red Cross, fund. A match between ' Yale and one of the New England e'l 'leges was suggested, but the Yale .77s. ' .6 2y .5!3 j .5 in i 4 si .10 8 j j coaches do not favor keeping the.elo- ! en in training after the season close next Saturday. The line-uw: Left end. RraiMi: Talbot; left guard. left tackle, ('apt. "handler; center. right .2' A v. 1 1 S5.1 is 1.1' 1 S4.5 Is 4. 4 1 S4.2 l s2.: 1 White: right guard. Walton: ! tackle. Letts; riuhf end, "artor; miar jtert.ack. Wilson; bft halfback. Air.s t worth; ri-'ht half b.i-k, .'f-'.il: fall- ; ba ck , I egore. (.rrs o kiijiam: stuinc;. ,. AFRoRA. 111., Nov. Fr..-d din i Eiich, tlie local featlif rw ei-b.t has been promi-ed a l rj ; Champion Johnny Kilban 1v ' ed training lor the battle 1 S 1 f ' 17i4;4 jteam. 1 i '.. with an .urur .ho mate! i i Ii h is start -by p!:iyi!;:r pro i esloii 1 1 1 t I . i 1 75.5 1 1 .: . . 1 7 1.1' 17 4.3 17 4.0 17 2.2 172.6 1 72.2 172.1 1 7 1 .7 171.5 1 7"."t 1 6:.6 16. : l':s.3 16N.2 1 6.1 16 7. 1 1 ,:. s 1 ':6.7 1 6;.2 I65.N 1 6 "., 1 6 5.6 1 6 5. 16.-. ! 16 1.6 1 62. n 16 1..: 1 6 o. 16M 15'.cl 152.1 15". 3 14v.".' l 117.7 j v!H (;iri; oi IPOINTS MolIR. NEW V' UK. Nov. 1 s. Yo : Shuuiae outpointed Walter ..hr i 1 I oar.ds kist niIit. in M.WOOT WHIPS SAVIlHl. 1P'ST(X. Mas.. Xo. M.tu bt of Memphis oi;tho;.d Young S.i br of Tndian:t pol is in 12 rounds 1 . night. DtsI Is MA.X "5 DL,R JtC O IT ami:i:s kocki:d oft. .u., .ov. t x. i rantt t Ct'dahan of Xew York knocked out Tickle" Sanders of Memphis. Term., in the third round here last night. whara you at sure W Cor. Michigan and Wuhlnston Sts. GET A RED LlttE TAXI IloH 613-C07 ROSTOV FKHITFH WINS. NEW YORK. Nov. is. Gilbert Gallant of Roston defeated Leach Cross, the New York lightweight, in 10 rounds last nisht. AMERICANS WIN AGAIN. MODESTO. Calif.. Nov IS. The American all-stars took a gime from the Nationals here Tuesday by a score ef 1 to, f. Cole and AbrjeindT were the pitchers. Calendars ana advertising novelties. H. A rcrshins'?. 203 E. YVayn Ft. AdvL ARTICLES FOR BATTLE PREPARED FOR RIVALS CHICAGO. Nov. is. Nate Lewi-, manager of Charley White, has re ceived word from New Orleans that article? of agreement calling for 1 bout between White and Freddie Welsh were on the way to the two battlers. Lewis expects to receive the articles in the mail today and said that he hoped Welsh would sign im mediately. The terms call for 2" rounds at the Crescent City club. SNTDER GTETS PECISTOy. LA BALLET, III.. Nov. 18. Miire Snyder of Chicago -won the decision over Goat Doig in a lO'-round bout here last night. Smart, Durable Silk Hose 50c They're Phoenix hose; quality guaranteed to be satisfactory, or a new pair for any that are not so. All colors, black and white, at 50c Higher Grader $1 and $1.50 SF RO'S