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Friday Evening,
October 4, 1912 16 Pages
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Would Take Two Counties
From Southern California
and Annex San Diego.
(By Geo. II. Clements.)
Phoenix, Arizt, Oct. 4. Arizona
wants to become a maritime state and
to that end is making propaganda for
the annexation of Imperial and San
Diego, the two southernmost counties
of California.
It Us said the people -of .the two Cali
fornia coantles in question are not
averse to the idea, - believing them
selves to have been greatly slighted by
the balance of their state in times past,
with no hope of relief in the Immediate
San Diego ana Imperial have not as
many native sons in proportion to
population as may be found farther
north in California, and for that Teason
state pride is not as strong as it might
be The San, Dlegons feel that they
were not treated as they should have
been when San Francisco threw Its hat
In the ring and successfully entered
the contest for the national backing of
a universal exposition In 1915 to com
memorate the completion and opening
of the Panama canal when San Diego
conceived the exposition Idea.
Keep the Money "In Arizona."
They have another reason, too,
though It is purely a commercial and
therefore a selfish reason. They figure
that the thousands of Arizonans who
annually go to the coast each year,
spending hundreds of thousands of dol
lars, would go to San Diego were that
a part of Arizona, in preference to the
California coast towns. They would by
going to "San Diego, ArizV be spend
ing their money at home, as it were.
Among Arizona business men there Is
a feeling that with a seaport of their
own. though on the Pacific coast, they
would be in a position to get better
freight rates than those now in force
based upon the rates to California sea
port Whether that Is true remains to
be seen.
Too Many Republicans.
The Democratic politicians of Arizona
oppose the annexation scheme. They
say that to annex Imperial and San
Diego counties with their 15,000 to 18,-
000 Republican votes would mean the
turning over of Arizona to the Repub
licans for all time to come.
They admit, many of. them, that the
possession of a seaport with Its result
ant low freight rates would be a splen
did thlnjr from a business point of
view, yet they "view with alarm" the
turning over of the state offices, to
Lately the newspapers of California
have awakened to the fact that the an
nexation Idea had obtained a strong
hold in Imperial and San Diego coun
ties and they have begun a campaign
of ridicule of the. proposition. The Los
Angeles Times is particularly bitter in
Its denunciation of the project and Its
New York. N. Y., Oct 4. John D.
Rockefeller bought $2,400,000 worth of
the bonds of the Magnolia Petroleum
company, of Texas, which were dis
posed of last April by the Standard
Oil company, of New York, according
to John A. Houce. a Standard Oil
broker, who testified today in the
hearings here in the Waters-Plerce-Standard
Oil litigation.
Bowie. Arlz Oct. 4. E. R. Boren
and W F. Simmons, of Marion, I1L,
have arrived with a carload of house
hold goods. They at once made ar
rangements to have houses built on
their claims south of town. When
these are completed, their families will
join tbem. Mr. Boren and Mr. Sim
mons brought with them some thor
oughbred Jersey and Holstein cows,
and coach and Norman horses.
The Caywood brothers have about
completed the excavation for the,
foundation of the new schoolhouse.
Boston, Mass., Oct 4. With the firsr
world's series game in this city only
five days away the quotations on
single chances to see the initial strug
gle in Fenway park rose today to $7
bid and $12 asked. Betting on the
series has not been particularly brisk
fn this city. The Red Sox have ruled
strong favorites over the Giants from
the time of the lineup for the world's
series was definitely settled, but there
has been a dearth of New York money.
Three more El Paso firms have-notified
Claibourne Adams that they will
enter floats in the Industrial parade
of the Os-Aple Jubilee. They are Ey3
ters C. O. D. grocery, the Purity Bak
ing company and El Paso Building and
Material company. This makes a total
of 35 firms who so far have consented
to enter floats in the parade.
Douglas, Arix, Oct. 4. News arrived .here thin morning that Ures, Son.,
n lorrn of 6000 Inhabitants, CO miles north of Hermoslllo, has been surrounded
by Rojas's band and ordered to surrender. It Is believed the townsmen will
refuse to do so. '
Salt Lake City. Utah. Oct 4. Richard ciples hold that federal control as be
W.oung, of Salt Lake City, was elected tween the states Is essential to equit
president, and Phoenix, Ariz., was se- able distribution of the water of Inter
acted as the next meeting place, by state streams; renew the endorsement
the delegates to the 20th International i of the congress of the Newlands river
uus" i-uusress. wnicn atnournea i
here last night
Other officers elected are J. B. Case,
of Abilene. Kan.; John Fairweather.
Fresno. Calif.; S. H. Lea, Pierre, S. D.;
Richard F. Burges. El Paso, Tex., and
Kurt Grundvald, Pueblo, Colo vice
presidents, and Arthur Hooker secre
tarj The report of the resolutions com
mittee was adopted by the congress as
a declaration of principles. The prln-
One Army Will Be Sent
Against, Bulgaria and the
Other Against Greece.
Constantinople. Turkey, Oct. 4.-r-3Iore
detachments of Bulgarian troops today
penetrated Turkish territory north of
Kovchase to the northeast of Adrian
ople, according to reports received
The war minister Kazim Pasha, has
been appointed supreme commander of
"the Turkish" forces.
Bulgarian excesses against the Turks
are reported from Yarna, Aidos, Bur
ghas and other places.
Thirty Turks have been killed and
many Injured, according to this, report,
and several villages looted, bombs be
ing employed in some cases.
The Sam lain leader, Sofulls, late ad
vices say, has proclaimed a republic in
the island of Samos, with himself as
Abdullah' Pasha, commanderinchlef of
the Turkish forces in. Albania, has been
appointed to command the northern
army to operate against Bulgaria and
Servia. All Riza Pacha, ex-minister
of war, will command the southern
army against the Greeks. The war
fever of the populace Is rising rapidly.
Military authorities here say that
the Bulgarian forces are being concen
trated at Jamboll and Kaki-Saghra.
All the horses in Constantinople have
been requisitioned by the government
for the army.
The government has ordered the
withdrawal of the Turkish troops from
the island of Samos and the prince
governor will also leave the Island tem
Battle Is Imminent Between Turkish
and Bulgarian Armies Wear
London. England. Oct. 4. The Brit
ish Mediterranean fleet was ordered to
day to proceed to the Levant, accord
ing to a news agency dispatch from
Gibraltar. The cruiser Wymouth im
mediately left at full speed for Suda
Bay on the north coast of Crete. Per
sistent rumors that Turkey and Italy
haa arranged peace are believed to
have had some influence on the Servian,
Bulgarian, Montenegrin and Greek al
lies, who. it is assumed will not be so
anxious to tackle Turkey when she is
free from the embarrassment of a war
with a great power. In this connection
it is now announced by the Bulgarian
legation here that Bulgaria's demand
isf or -autonomy under -the surveillance
or the powers similar to that existing in
Crete. The original demand was for
complete autonomy for all the Turkish
provinces in Europe.
The Ottoman government has taken
further warlike steps, such as the sus
pension of railway communication with
Servia and the concentration of troops
on the frontier. It has instituted a cen
sorship on telegrams, official or other
The armies of the Balkan states,
especially those out of reach of the cap
itals, are proceeding to their allotted
stations and It was reported this after
noon that a Bulgarian detachment had
been seen at a point north of Adriano
ple, where it might at any moment
come into touch with part of the Turk
ish army.
Athens, Greece. Oct. 4. Plans to an
nihilate all the Greeks now in Albania
have been laid, according to reports
received from the Greco-Turkish fron
tier. The report says a Greek notable
at Piliplado has been' assassinated.
The Albanian governor of Janina has
sent out an armed force of military po
lice, composed of 100 outlaws, it is al
leged, to annihilate all the Greeks in
the vicinity.
Greek partisans declare bomb out
rages are being arranged, responsibili
ty for which is to be cast on the Greeks,
in order to provoke their massacre by
the Turks.
Three battalions of Montenegrin
troops are reported to have crossed the
Turkish frontier tov assist the Malissori
tribesmen In checking the approach of
Turkish troops.
San Francisco. Cal., Oct 4. It Is
estimated that there are in San Fran
cisco 15,000 Servians and 3000 Bul
garians. Two thousand reservists
rom both nations are ready to leave
for home as soon as thc-y receive
Copenhagen, Denmark, Oct 4.
Prince George, of Greece, started today
for Athens to be ready to join the
Greek army should hostilities occur.
Liverpool, Oct 4. The four destroy
ers recently purchased by Greece, while
under construction for Argentine, sailed
today for Athens with British crews.
regulation bill: auorove the fprlpr.nl
forest policy and favor its extension.
and' recognize the establishment of the
United States reclamation service as
second only in Importance. to the pass
ing of the reclamation act
According to the principles, the law
should require that all contracts for
the sale of power developed by a recla
mation project shall be appro'ed by a
water users' association under such a
Prosecutor Says Dynamite
Was Not Strong Enough
and "Nitro" Was Used,
Indianapolis, Ind., Oct. 4. 'The
strongest stuff ever invented," was
the way Herbert S. Hocking referred
to nitroglycerine when he bought it
to carry on a conspiracy, according to
the charges presented today at the
trial of the accused "dynamite plot
ters." It was after dynamite was found to
be not "strong" enough, according to
district attorney Charles W. Miller,
thalt the defendants in December, 1909,
decided to use nitroglycerine. The de
tails, as charged by Miller, were:
Ortle E. McManlgal had Deen Wow
ing up nonunion jobs with dynamite
and was in Chicago. In response to
a telegram from Hocking he went to
"We have decided to use nitro," said
Hocking, "and we are going down to
Muncie to get a supply."
inats pretty dangerous stuff," said
R "Yes, It's the
strongest stuff ever
They went to Muncie, where
met J. B. McNamara.
While the "crew" was on duty, Mr.
Miller asserted, Charles N. Beum, of
Minneapolis: Henry W. Legleltner.
then In Pittsburg; Eugene A Clancy,
of San Francisco; Frank C Webb, of
New York; John T. Butler, of Buffalo,
and William J. Young, of Boston, were
active in sending information about
nonunion jobs that were to be blown
up. Frank M. Ryan, president of the
Iron Workers' union, -who carried on
the arrangements by mail, Mr. Miller
said, wrote letters saying, "Hocking
will care for the jobs at Davenport,
la., and Peoria, 111. We'll have to send
a man to Mount Vernon, nLt because
Paul J. Morrln, at St Louis, can't go
to Mount Vernon for he has been there
Olaf Tveltmoe, of San Francisco, sec
retary of the California Building
Trades council, was charged by Mr.
Miller with being directly responsible
for the explosions on the Pacific coast
"It will be shown," said Mr. Miller,
"that Tveitmoe arranged for the ex
plosion at the Llewellyn iron works
at Los Angeles, December 25, 1910. and
he wrote to McNamara at Indianapolis
he hoped "Santa Claus Vould be- as
generous ioyou in surprises and pres-'
ents of the season as he has to us la
the Golden State.' We will show that
the 'presents' were the explosions."
Ten Farmers on Jury.
Eight farmers, two retired farmers,
one grocer and one grain dealer, all
living in country towns or rural dis
tricts in inaiana, compose the jury.
The jurors are: Samnol Afn.-,-!-
Samuel Morrison,
North Vernon, retired farmer, formerly
a. v.aijjciucr, j. jo. omun, wincnester.
retired grain dealer; Seneca Chambers,
Anderson, farmer; William Jackson,
Greencastle, farmer; Marion E. Dob
bins, Maxwell, farmer; Frank Dare,
Aew Lisbon, retired farmer; John L.
Thomas, Jamestown, farmer; Allen
Spauldlng, Sharpesville, farmer; Mar
lln P. Davis, Forest, farmer and bank
president: T. D. Brookshire, Roachdale,
farmer; Frank Sutton, Nebraska, Ind..
farmer; Jesse Barger, RIdgevIlle, gro
cer. Judge Anderson ordered the jurors to
be kept under guard until their Terdict
is rendered.
District attorney Miller said the gov
ernment would prove that the defend
ants, all of whom are former or pres
ent officials of labor unions, entered
into a conspiracy to blow up the "jobs"
of employers of nonunion labor.
"We will show that dynamite and
nitroglycerine were carried from a
place in one state to a place in another
state on passenger trains on which
thousands of men, women ana children
were traveling," said Mr. Miller.
"We will show that James B. McNa
mara, and John G. McNamara, who are
now In prison In California, one of
them for murder, ami OrH T. tn-
Manlgal, who has pleaded guilty, were
active in this dynamiting business and
that all the present defendants are
guilty with them."
Senator Kern, counsel for .the de
fence, objected to the reference to one
of the McNamaras being sentenced for
Judge Anderson overruled the ob
Colorado Springs, Colo.. Oct 4.
"The Utah Copper company never will
recognize the union at Bingham, even
if the mine Is closed forever!" was the
statement of Spencer Penrose, vice
president of the Utah concern, upon
his return from the scene of the strike.
"I am receiving telegrams every
hour from stockholders," he continued,
"telling us to stand pat The wages
of the miners were increased a short
time ago, and there may be a further
increase, but we 'will not recognize
the Western Federation of Miners."
Bingham, Utah, Oct t. There was no
change in the strike situation here.
The business men are -worried and a
shut down of several months Is feared.
Scores of persons are leaving the camp
by every train. Many of the strikers
themselves are deserting Bingham for
other places. Vacant cottages and
rooms are numerous and there is a gen
eral decline in rents.
Thirty additional deputy sheriffs
have arrived to take the places of
some who have left the camp.
Ely. Nev.. Oct 4. The Boston Ely
and the Ely Consolidated Mining com
panies have resumed operations after
they signed agreements with the union
officials to recognize .the union and to
grant the increase of 50 cents a day
for all classes of labor. About 40 men
are employed by the two companies
which granted the miners' demands.
The Nevada Consolidated and the Gi
roux Mining companies, who employ
the majority of the men in the camp,
still refuse to meet with the union of
ficials and have made no attempt to
resume operations
Deming, N. Jit., Oct 4. Justice of
the ppace L. L. Browning died sud
denly in his bed early this morning,
supposedly from heart failure. He was
found dead In his bed.- He was ailing
a little yesterday, but was not thought
seriously ilL
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New York, N. Y, Oct 4. After a heart-to-heart talk with Frances Hol
lander, whose love of finery led to her arrest for the larceny of several
' costly gowns which she obtained on
known theatrical promoter, the detectives announced that she was the most
extraordinary girl they had ever encountered. Her methods were compar
atively simple. She would pose as the wife or daughter of borne noted man,
act the part well. and. then get possession of what she desired. She admitted
that she served a term in a Massachusetts reformatory for stealing $5000
while posing as the daughter of governor ,Foss, of that state. She declared
that she was a college graduate (she appears to be', very well educated) and
said her parents were highly esteemed in Chicago society.
U. S. District Attorney Mor
rison Defends Arrested
Army Officers.
Douglas, Ariz., Oct 4. .Fuel was
added to the flame of local Indigna
tion by what is characterized as the
unwarranted interference of United
States attorney J. E. Morrison, of Bis
bee, in the cases resulting from the
search of Mexico hotel.
Morrison, quoted at length in aBis
bee newspaper this morning, admits
the offence, yet endeavors to say that
no offence has been committed. The
interview says in part:
"The people of Douglas have rightly
protested against the rebel leaders be
ing allowed to come on this side of
the line for the purpose of marauding
and we have done all in our power to
make such things impossible. The
searchers were acting under orders
and they are abundantly protected by
law. They were acting In obedience
to orders and, even though they may
not have known it for orders are law
to them, they are protected by the fed
eral laws. We shall continue to en
force the federal statutes on the sub
ject of neutrality as we have in the
Mr. Morrison's Explanation.
At another point Morrison is quoted:
''Arrangements had been made to have
a peace officer meet the officers there
with a search warrant, but the peace
officer did not arrive. The owner of
the hotel building, but not the pro
prietor, asked to see the authority of
the army officers for searching the
house. The lieutenants then went
back to the Gadsden hotel and tele
phoned Col. Gllfoyle the situation as
they found It at Mexico hotel. The
colonel replied that his orders were
of a positive character and advised
the lieutenants to search the hotel
premises, but advised them to do It In
a cautionary, gentlemanly manner.
"I have nothing to say in criticism
of county officials, but will say that
the officers acted within their rights
under the law, and the government
will not be hindered In the enforce
ment of laws or orders designed to
(Continued on Page 7.)
credit oy posing as the wife of a well
Lieutenant of English Ship
Is Only Member of Crew
Dover, Eng., Oct. 4. ThcBritish sub
marine B-2 was run down by the Ham
burg American liner Amerika here to
day and sank at once, drowning 14 of
the .crew. -The disaster occurred while
the third patrol flotilla of submarines,
consisting of six vessels, was maneuver
ing off the South Foreland on the coast
oi Kent. The liner Amerika appears
to have cut the submarine in halves.
Lieut. Richard I. Pulleync. who was sec
ond in command, was the only man
among the crew of 15 who was saved.
He was found floating in, the sea too
exhausted to say more when he was
rescued than "The submarine is cut in
two. I Went down a mile."
The B-2 left Dover harbor at 5 oclock
this morning to participate with the
other submarines in a series of maneu
vers. The accident occurred just an
hour later, although none of the sister
submarines knew anything about it un
til Lieut. Pulleyne was picked up from
"the sea.
The young lieutenant collapsed after
he was taken from the water and con
eved to the parent ship.
The liner Amerika stood by :gfter the
collision and threw the life duots over
board while a number of torpedo boats
after being informed of the accident by
wireless searched the sea for hours.
None of the other members of the crew,
however, was found and no sign of the
wreckage was discovered.
The Amerika then proceeded on her
voyage to Southampton and Cherbourg
on her way to New York.
This is the sixth disaster to British
submarines, each of them involving the
loss of from 10 to 15 lives. Lieut
Percv B. O'Brien was the commander of
the B-2.
Ely, Nev Oct 4. A Greek wae killed
last night at Rlepetown by a country
man. Their trouble is said to have been
over Tcliglon and to have no con
nection with the strike of miners.
.Reiterates Statement that He
Standard uii uompany 01 -any uonmDuuon jie
Declares that Senator Penrose Should
Be Driven From the Senate.
Washington, D. C, Oct 4. "I asked
no man to contribute to the campaign
fund when I was elected president and
I wish to reiterate that Mr. Bliss and
Mr. Cortelyou both assured me that no
promise had been made as a return for
any contribution. Neither they nor any
one else having authority asked me to
act or refrain from acting In any mat
ter, because any contribution had been
made or withheld.
"Gentlemen, could I put it more
In these words Col. Roosevelt sum
marized his testimony today at the
close of the first part of his hearing
before the Clapp committee of the sen
ate campaign investigating committee.
Never Asked for Contributions.
The .colonel specifically denied that
he ever asked for contributions to his
1904 campaign fund or that he had
Known oi any coninounuii uy j. .r.
To these unequivocal statements CoL
Roosevelt added again that he had or
dered the return to the Standard Oil
company of any contribution It had
made In 1904 that he had been assured
by George T. Cortelyou, "only
yesterday," that he knew of no such
contribution, and that he did not be
lieve Cornelius N. Bliss had ever de
manded a contribution from John D.
Archbold or from any corporation by
methods of extortion.
Col. Roosevelt did not deny that cor-nn-tinno
Viori ntitrihntcrl to the 1904
campaign. He said his letters and pub-
lisnea staiemenis nau aiwija m"""
edged that fact fcut he specified that
talned under any suggestion that the
administration would reward the givers
with special favors. CpL Roosevelt s
testimony bristled with characteristic
Wonld Drive Penrose From Senate.
oeiiakUi arciiiwac s.wfc"v "-
from the senate," he declared, "because
of his acknowledged inenanness wua
Standard Oil interests, naries x.
Hilles and congressman Bartholdt
should be forced to prove their state
ments that the Roosevelt primary cam
paign funds this year had amounted to
$3,000,000 or $4,000,000. or should be
driven out of public life."
He declared, as had senator Dixon,
his campaign manager, that the senate
committee's activities had thus far
been directed solely toward the Roose
velt campaign funds and that no atten
tion had been paid to other candidates.
He was assured by senator Clapp that
the representatives of other candidates
would all be called "before election.
Crowd Cheers Colonel.
CoL Roosevelt arrived here early
this morning to 6,e the star witness
before the Clapp committee of the
senate Investlgatlr campaign fuads.
Several hundred jteople were lined
up in the corridors of the senate building-
two hours before the time set for
the hearing, hoping to get Into the
little committee room with its capacity
for about 100. Hundreds of others
packed the doorways and surrounded
the building to see CoL Roosevelt
A 'murmur of excitement concluded
he entered the building about five
I minutes Deiore me ume sei icr ms ap
The spectators applauded vigorously
as Col. Roosevelt entered the room
followed by a secretary lugging a big
valise filled with papers.
Quizzed by Chairman Clapp.
"You were a candidate for president
in 1904?" asked senator Clapp.
"I was," answered the colonel
shortly. '
"George B. Cortelyou was chairman
of the committee that year?'
"He .-was."
"And Cornelius N. Bliss was treas
urer?" "He was."
Senator Clapp asked Col. Roosevelt
If his attentlon'had been called to cer
tain statements made by John D.
"It has," replied Col. Roosevelt
Senator Clapp asked the colonel
what he knew about the Archbold con
tribution at the time it was said to
have been made.
The colonel asked permission to in
clude in his answer the letter he sent
to chairman Clapp, already published,
denying that he knew of any Standard
Oil contribution to the 1904 campaign
fund, at the time it was made.
"Looking through my letter book,"
he said, "since I wrote my recent let
ter to senator Clapp I have found two
other letters bearing on campaign
contributions. One was to Cornelius
N. Bliss In 1906. which I understood
was recently given to your commit
tee; the other a letter written to
George R. Sheldon in 1908."
Did Not Want Standard Money.
At the chairman's request CoL
Roosevelt read the letter dated Sep
tember 21, 1908, and addressed to
George R. Sheldon, treasurer of the
Republican commitee. It was as fol
lows: "I am Informed that you or some
one on behalf of the national commit
tee has been soliciting contributions
from corporations, particularly from
John D. Archbold and the Standard
Oil company. If this Is true, I wish
to enter a vigorous protest and say
that not only should such contribution
be refused, but that if made that it
should be Immediately returned."
The letter set forth that "four years
ago Mr. Cortelyou refused all contri
butions" from corporations, "which
were being prosecuted or were likely
to be prosecuted," and that Col. Roose
velt wished the same course followed
in the 196S campaign.
Col. Roosevelt also read the letter of
Constantinople. Turkey, Oct. '4. That the Turkish cabinet voted yester
day to ncccpt Italy's latest proposals for pence Tas the announcement made
todny from an authoritative source. I
The preliminary agreements are to be signed "Pon the arrival at Ouchy
or a special Turkish emissary vrho left Constantinople immedlntelr after the
cabinet meeting.
London, Ens, Oct. 4. Peace between Italy nnd Turkey was signed at
Ouchy, Switzerland, last nlcht according to a news aieney. dispatch received
here from Paris.
Paris, Franee, Oct. 4. Pietro BerteUnl and Itechnd Pnshn. the Italian
nnd Turkish peace delegates, will leave Ouchy, Switzerland, tonlsht for Rome
nnd Constantinople, respcctii ely. In order to obtain the ratification of their
governments to the peace agreement reached by them, according to n special
dispatch received here from Ouchy.
l'erim. Arabia, Oct. 4. An Itnllan cralwr is bombarding' the fort at
Sheik Snlil, some distance to the north of this Island.
Ordered the Return to the
October 26, 1904, to chairman George
B. Cortelyou in which he declared that
if any money had been contributed by
the Standard Oil company or John D.
Archbold it should be returned at
once. The letter was an emphatic dec
laration to Mr. Cortelyou that "we
cannot under any circumstances af
ford to take a contribution that might
be construed as placing us unaer an
Interrupts Chairman.
"Now. in regard to the Harriman
fund." began senator Clapp.
Col. Roosevelt interrupted and
asked to explain "the charges that
have been made in regular order," and
senator Clapp acquiesced.
"There Is no testimony against me,
except in the form of hearsay evi
dence," the colonel said. "Hearsay
statements of men that are dead."
CoL Roosevelt said he had not in
tended to bring his former private sec
retary Into the controversy, but that
as the committee had already de
termined to call William Loeb. Jr., he
had asked him to bear ont his state
ments. "May I speak of a letter published
in Hearst's magazine from congress
man Sibley?" asked the colonel, and
then went on:
"It is a letter which, in substance,
states that Sibley came to see me and
spoke about seeing Mr. Archbold and
I said I would be delighted to see him
and asktd Mr. Sibley to bring Mr.
Archbold to lunch. I don't remember
ever having talked to Mr. Sibley about
that matter, but it is very possible
I may have done so."
He added that senator Bourne had
once brought Mr. Archbold to lunch
at Oyster Bay.
Gladly Saw Any 3Ian.
The colonel spoke vry slowly.
"While I was president" he said,
looking forward, "if any man, trust
magnate. Socialist, lawyer or clergy
man had any business with me, and
wanted to see me, I gladly saw him.
And if I thought there was anything
to be gained from the standpoint of the
public service in seeing any man. then
without waiting for him to ask, I would
send for him."
CoL Roosevelt instanced his practice
of that policy by saying during his ad-mlnist-ation
he had sent for James J.
HilL the railroad magnate
1 think I sent for J. Plerpont Mor
gan," said he. "at least. I saw Mr. Mor
gan in regard to currency questions.
Defend "Practical Men."
"Now, about the Harriman business."
said the coloneL "I feel that there ought
not be need for any intelligent man to
ask any question after reading the let
ters I wrote at that time." Here he
took up .his letters to, Mr, -Harriman
and defended '-the usfe - of-the term
"practical men" in the much discussed
letter of Oct 14. 1906. He said his
effort was to get practical men in
"When the use of the word 'practical'
is taken to indicate some improper
motive on the part of the user, then I
think there is some moral weakness in
the man who makes the accusation."
declared the colonel emphatic-illy.
Then he read the letter and declared
that it "was absolutely incompatible
with a "suggestion of my getting aid
from Mr. Harriman in any way.' "
On Oct 20, 1904, Col. Roosevelt said.
Mr. Harriman had telephoned to secre
tary Loeb who told the president Mr.
Harriman wanted to see him about the
New York state campaign, vhich was
running badly."
The colonel said he made an appoint
ment through secretary Loeb at Har
rlman's request
"Hr. Loeb was present throughout
almost all of that interview. There
was no possibility of any misunder
standing. I mention that because I see
some well meaning, but flabby persons
have said there might have been a mis
understanding between Mr. Harriman
and myself."
CoL Roosevelt said at the, time tha
Harriman contribution was made there
was no doubt of the national ticket
carrying New York, bu,t that the state
ticket was In difficulties.
For State Campaign, Only.
"The entire conversation," he said,
"was to the effect that the national
campaign was safe and that aid should
be given to the state campaign.
"I wish to call your attention to the
fact that judge DueH and Mr. Sheldon
both have testified that Mr. Bliss staled
that the money was not raised by Mr.
Harriman for the national campaign
but that it was raised by Mr. Bliss to
help out Mr. Harriman In the state cam
paign. Mr. Loeb was present during
the interview between Mr. Harriman
and myself and heard every word.
"Mr. Harriman asked me to get Mr.
Cortelyou and Mr. Bliss to help raise
funds for the New York staie campaign.
I never asked Mr. Harriman directly or
indirectly for a dollar to help in that
campaign or any other."
Contradicts Parker Statement.
CoL Roosevelt then discussed judge
Alton B. Parker's statement in 1904
and declared that a repeated misstate
ment charged to him was that he had
said corporatiens did not contribute to
his 1904 campaign.
"I never made the statement that cor
porations had not contributed to the
Republican party." he said emphati
cally. He said his recent letter to chairman
Clapp and his "open published state
merit" made It clear that he had never
denied that corporations had con
tributed, but denied specifically that
corporations had been "blackmailed"
Into contributing or "assured of soma
kind of favor" for contributing.
"Now. I wish to take up the testi-
(Continued on Pace 8.)
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