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EL EAJSO HERAU)
Sport and Classified Section
Sport and Classified Section
Wednesday, November Eighteenth, 1914.
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MITERS GET LITTLE IE.
RECEIPTS E8 TO THE FIGHTERS
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New York Fight Organizers Find that After Paying the
Scrappers' Guarantees an d Expenses of the Match,
They Have Little Left; Percentage Plan Seems
Only Way They Ca n Make Pair Profit. K
PRANK G.
Nov. 18. The fight ,
v:W TOBK
N promoters ought to set together
.,,) fnrm a. little trust' for the
purpose of thwarting the fighters In
their efforts to get about 99 44-100 per
cent of all the money that is taken In
'plrtbf?!" fighters in this
.. .5,r ,m " r..o,n nd In other cities
mriwiife """-'" rr 1.1.. nhlokimii
1 just as proiltaoie an ' Tf""?:
in on s back yard, since the flfhters
carted demanding guarantees and huge
PTrntheReolden days , P-mters
pulled down a fairly slsable ad for
1 1 , ir ti ouble In staging a bout But
1 n ei have changed The greedy f ght
, v,.int about all tkWttaU
tl ti, in at the box office. After the
f.fchtei-- get their guarantee it leaves
the pi (.motors just about enough to go
0 it ukI buy themselves a couple ol
pi. k it.es of chewing gum. In some ln
st n. e- the promoters suffer a financial
This condition will continue Just so
long .is the promoters permit the fight
ers to dictate their own exorbitant
t -ms The longer this condition exists
the orse it will be for the fight game.
for with the fighters continually in
creasing their demands it means that
the i.iumoters must boost the admission
prices to meet the Increasing guaran
tees for fighters. That will hurt the at
tendance Should Fix Scale.
There is just one way for the promot
ers to beut the money mad fighters and
that is for the promoters to get to
gether and agree to fix a certain scale
lor fighters and stick to that scale.
-. The promoters to enable themselves
to 'iret out from under" In all boxing
bouts without suffering a loss should
force the fighters to fight for a certain
percentage of the gross receipts. The
business of guaranteeing the fighters
a fixed sum isn't fair to the promoter.
J t s a gamble with hlra. He may clear
something on the bout, but If the
v eather is bad or .something else turns
tip to decrease the attendance, he not
onlj doesn t get a dollar for his time
and labor, but he loses money on the
ventur
Too Much Competition.
Ilnwein the fighter Will continue to
p,t ih 1 ulk of the gate receipts as long
tin promoters continue to compete
v th 11 '1 other and try to outbid each
1 1 he.- to get star boutfc-- Fighters will
1 !.n both ends against the middle in
t inc to 'shake down" the promoters
f 1 r the largest sum possible, and the
1 st the promoters will get is the worst
of it
Gibson AVn Disgusted.
Bill Gibson, connected with the fight
, game in New York for many years, quit
It a short time ago. Gibson was re
garded as the most successful fight
promoter in the east and also the
nhren dest. Tet Gibson quit the game
In disgust and gave out figures to show
that the fighters get nearly all the
money taken in at the gate and that
the promoters get little and sometimes
nothing for their efforts.
"Conditions are bad now. but they
will get worse." said Gibson. "Those
fighters each day are yelling for b'gger
guarantees or bigger percentages."
Promoters Made Little.
Gibson staged the Ritchle-Leaci;
Cross fight in New York last winter.
The house was packed. The fight drew
nearly :2,000. Everybody figured that
this would mean a harvest for the pro-
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moters. When the fighters ware tkid.
luhnn thn ntber bills were Daid and
when the state Boxing commission got
its hare. there was Just about $1500
left to be snlit among the members of
the promoting club. And this $1500 wasi
their cross divvy. The club had spent
hundreds of dollars to land that fights
A new crowd of promoters, headed by
James J. Johnson, is conducting fights
in Madison Square, garden now. When
they entered the field they figured that
they could make money. They had the
idea that bulky profits could be made
"if the thing is run right." They
thought other promoters had failed to
grab large profits because they didn't
manage things as they should be man
aged. But Johnson Failed.
Johnson staged the Freddy Welsh-Ad
Wolgast fight here. It was expected
that the house would be about $20,000.
Instead It was slightly over $13,000.
The State's share was nearly $700. The
cost of printing, hall hire, police hire,
usher hire, publicity, advertising, elec
tric lights and other incidentals was
nearly $2500, according to the best fig
ures obtainable. Johnson put on some
first class preliminaries. He had to
pay about $100 for them. Welsh got
$4573 for his share of the receipts and
about $400 in addition "for railroad
fare and trainjng expenses." Wolgast
got $3266 for his 22 or 24 minutes of
work, and also he got abeut $200 to $300
for extra expenses.
Figure all these Items up and you
will find that Johnson and his associ
ates, who worked night and day to get
the bout and who worked about 20
hours a day after they got the "bout so
as to make its staging as perfect as
possible, got about enough net profit
for their efforts to enable them to go
out and buy themselves two Qr three
soda waters and a nice, new -So cent
necktie.
GALLART OUTFIGHTS
CROSS IN 10 ROUNDS
New York. Nov. 18. Gilbert Gallant
of Boston, outfought Leach Cross, of
this city. In a hard 10 round bout here
Tuesday night Gallant took the ag
gressive early and scored a knockdown
in the first round with a left hook to
the Jaw, Cross taking a count of seven.
In the fifth round a similar blow put
Cross down for eight seconds. Cross
slipped to the floor several times after
misBlng wild swings. Both were tired
at the finish. The men weighed in at
13 1-2 pounds.
JOHNSON AND WILLARD
SIGN UP FOR BATTLE
London, Eng. Nov. 18 Articles were
signed Tuesday for a boxing bout of
from 20 to 45 rounds between Jack
Johnson, the heavyweight champion,
and Jess Willard, an American "white
hope." The fight will take place during
the last two weeks In March at some
place to be chosen February 15. It is
said that the battle ground probably
will be Mexico.
Each of the fighters deposited $1000
to guarantee his presence at the ring.
Johnson is to receive $30,000 for fight
ing. CIIUGIIUE OUTrOEVTS MOIIR.
New York, Nov. is Uoe Shugrue, of
Jersey City, in his first fight since his
return from Australia, outpointed Wal
ter Mohr, of Brooklyn, In a 10 round
bout In Brooklyn Tuesday night
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FROM COURCHESNE
Smith was the star of the evening
In bowline at the Wigwam alleys Tues
day evening His high game of 243 and
high total of 586 was far ahead of his
nearest competitor. In the first game
the Watson team won three points to
the Courchesne tearfgs'ipffe. The second
came resulted in the7 same score, Carr's
team making mree poinxi
to the Sher-
man leuma vv. -
The scores:
Watson team
Watson i.... IS
Valeiwuela ....:.. US
Crawford t. .. .-.. 158
Tuttle 1"
Barcla IK
Totals 78J
Gparcheme team
Smith" '. 2
Bron 134
Jones I
Fort "J
coureheane lav ,
Totals
Sherman team
Grlng 1"
Burt ... 1
Berghauer IS
Sherman v: 148
Campbell 119
Totals ...V 680
Carr team , 1
Townsend'- 119
Fisher- ............ 91 '
Mimean 117
"Neary,'.. ..... IjfJ
Carr 201
Totals .' 690
2623
t; 'its 448
381 612
' tt 4K
18S ," S12 661
176 '192 539
81 879
183 189 5S5
,124 124 S82
170 183 497
13 189 483
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178 165 465
137 124 436
169 130 413
,158 , 184 470
1W 160 4 SO
817 , 743 2240
114 144 4S7
147' 169 407
Q9 152 418
148 131 441
177. 190 568
796
786
2271
TEAMS DIVIDE
BOWLING HONORS
In bowling at the Cactus alleys Tues
day evening, the Pirates and Tigers di
vided honors In the Federal league, each
team winning two points. Fenner had
the highest total of the evening with
438, while Strelits of the Braves had the
highest individual game with 174 and
was close behind captain Fenner of the
Pirates in total with 435. Fenner's
bowling in the first "game enabled the
Tigers to split even with the Pirates,
each team getting, two points. In the
"second game the Braves and Athletics
also split even with two points for each
side. The scores:
Pirates
Vanflemoer 135 146 140 421
Butler .... 101 94 117 312
Fenner ... 187 148. 138 438
293 388 390 1171
Tigers
P. Stein 126 131 146 461
Anthony, Sr ..,.. 194 144 122 370
Capron ,.,JL.i. 1 'Ulf 13 389
K " ' T4 IjJ 410 1160
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Braves
Koelrfg 160 121 160 421
Strelltz 174 119 142 436
Lelghton . 117 104 99 320,
441 34t 391 1176
Athletics '
Haii ;.:.:.. us iSs 119 499
Ferguson 91 101 017 34s
Wilson 100 .17 ll 49
329 490 39 1127
BOTH DEALS OFF,
BRESNAHAN SAYS
Chicago, III., Nov. 18. Roger Bresna
han announced today that two deals re
garding his future one by which he
would have become manager of the
Brooklyn Federals and another by
which he hoped to own the Cleveland
American association franchise and
transfer it to Toledo, are off. He is
now, he said, "Just a catcher of the
Chicago Nationals."
As for rumors that he might succeed
Henry O'Day as Cub manager, Bresna
han said he had not conferred with
president Thomas.
3IANDOT DEFEVTS YOITAG SAYLER.
Boston, Mass, Nov. 18. Joe Mandot
of Memphis, defeated Young Sayler, of
Indianapolis, In a bout here Tuesday
night The lightweights sparred 12 live
ly rounds with but little advantage to
the winner.
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-iROM all reports outside of Chicago
i of the recent 10 round go at Chi-
- cago between Charlie, White and
lightweight champion Freddie Welsh,
the night of November 10, Callfornians
can no longer be solely accused of the
"Native son" favoritism business. The
repdrts sent out by the Chicago papers
of November 11 were to the effect
that Welsh ftad a slight shade in the
early stages of the fight hut that
White evened matters up by his great
rally in the last two rounds. Most of
the Chicago writers called the bout a
good draw. The others, with one ex
ception, gave White a slight shade
Yet skipping Chicago, the sport writ
ers from coast to coast state that
Welsh won by such a big margin that
there was not even reasonable room for
argument.
To the credit of Chicago, Ring Gard
ner, the foremost fight writer of- the
city and one of the very best in the
country, gives the scrap to Welsh by a
big margin. After reviewing the decis
ions of the other writers, in the Chi
cago Tribune of November 12, Lardner
writes the following 'satire under the
heading of "Expertology:" " th round
Welsh jabbed White three tlmea With
his left Welsh landed four light blows
on White's body and two to the face.
Welsh feinted White Into missing and
then landed a hard right to Charlie's
ear. They clinched. White missed a
left hook and Welsh landed half a
dozen times on Charlie's face and body.
It was White's round by a big margin."
Paekey McFarland covered the fight
for a Chicago paper. Walter St Den
nle, sporting editor of the New York
Globe, and Eddie Curley, sporting edi
tor of jthe New York American, both of
whom attended the bout, state that af
ter the fight Paekey admitted to them
that Welsh had won the go by a mile
but that as White Is a Chicago boy he
would have to call the affair a draw.
St. Dcnnie, In reviewing the fight,
says: "If that fight was a draw then
the war in Europe has been over for
three months, and Diaz is still presi
dent of Jlexioo." If these are the kind
of decisions to be handed out by Chi
cago papers, now that the law prohib
iting a decision In a boxing contest has
come into effect in Illinois, then the
better it will be for the game if the
state will immediately revert to the
old style of referees, for most referees
will give the decision to the best man,
whether he be British or American.
And no real American who is a lover
of sport and a true sportsman wishes
to see any championship held in this
countrj unless the title has been clear
lv and cleanly earned by the American
contender
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WELSH HAS IMPROVED G;
WHITE IS TOD
Lightweight Champion Now Has Much Better Style of
Attack than a Few Years Ago, Is More Aggressive
and Puts More Steam I nto .Punches;- Fighters
Must Be Examine d, Wisconsin Rules.
By T. S.
MILWAUKEE, Wis, Nov. 18. The
ten round contest between
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Charlie White of Chicago and
lightweight champion. I'red Welsh, be
fore the Cream City A. C, at the Audi
torium, Milwaukee, proved to be a
classy affair, just as most people ex
pected it would be. While Welsh won
the shade decision. White had every
reason to feel proud of his achievement
in almost holding the champion even,
while giving away six pounds In
weight. The original arrangement had
been for 135 at 3 oclocrc. White asked
for 135 at 5 and Welsh 135 at two.
When White found that Welsh would
not give way he said he would meet
Wnite
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gregatlon swamped the team represent
ing the government Indian, school at
Carlisle, Pa. Notre Dame Accumulated
48 points while the redskins were an
nexing a single touchdbwn. Notre
Dame completely outplayed Carlisle at
every angle of the game. Followers of
football in the middle west immediate
ly seized upon this game as a splendid
opportunity to rant about the superi
ority of middle western football over
the eastern game. One Chicago writer
refers to the game as "A splendid vin
dication of the western style of foot
ball." Both he and his fellow scribes
appear to overlook the fact that Car
lisle this year is one of the very weak
est teams in the east much weaker
even than Pennsylvania, and that the
Indians this year are represented by a
team that Is probably the poorest In
the history of the Institution and cer
tainly the weakest during the many
years Glen Warner has been coaching
them. The redskins not only have poor
football material this year, but the
team has been torn to pieces all season
with internal strife. In every game of
the season with a team of the slightest
strength the Indians have been com
pletely outclassed. The westerners also
completely ignore the fact that In the
other two games played with eastern
elevens the Notre Dame team was
soundly drubbed. Both Yale and West
Point plaved 4ngs around the west
erners. The result of the inter-sectional
games shows the east to be en
titled to the 1914 football palm by a
wide margin. Michigan's victory over
Penn and Notre Dame's win over Car
lisle are completely obscured by the
decisive defeat of Michigan at the
hands of Syracuse, Harvard and Cor
nell, and of NotrDame by West Point
and Yale. ,.
Coldvrell Coaching High School.
Ballard Coldwell has been assisting
head coach Reukauf for several days in
handling the high school football
squad. Ballard, who is an old Texas
university star, has the "Hurry Up"
Yost style of coaching and has already
begun to make his presence felt He
has given the team to thoroughly un
derstand that no one Is certain of Ills
job and that he will not permit the
slightest loafing or letup during prac
tice, and instead of the usual hour and
a half practice, he Is keeping the team
on the hop from 3 oclock until dark.
As a result the team has been completely
metamorphosed. It has become a fast
scrappy bunch that Is In the game ev
ery minute. A week ago "HI" appeared
a certain loser In the Thanksgiving
game with the School of Mines, but
since the appearance of Coldwell upon
the field the game Is certain to be fast
.ind furious from first to last whistle,
with one scrappy bunch against an
other of identically th.e same type.
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result was that Harry Pollok, manager
for Welsh, took White at his word and
made it catohweights. .Freddy looked
to be pretty well trained and still he
scaled 141 pounds at 3 oclock, while
White weighed 135. The question now
is whether Welsh can make 133 at 3
oclock or ringside. He offered to do 1-5
at 3 oclock for a return match, but
Nate Lewis, manager for Ahite, said
he would not consider that poundage.
Welsh Is not big, but he seems to
have gathered considerable flesh about
the waist line which he finds hard to
get off. However, he has made the
ringside weight before and there Is
reason to believe that he can do It
again. ,
Champion Ha Improved.
Getting back to the contest. It can
be said with all sincerity that the
champion has improved greatly since
last he fought Paekey McFarland In
Milwaukee six years ago. He Ms a
bettor style of attack now and Is much
more aggressive, besides putting more
steam bebind his punches. As a boxer
he is a star, but like most stars of
this kind he does not deliver a real
knockout blow, for the reason that he
never throws his full weight with the
punch. He had White badly puzzled in
the early part of the bout by the swift
ness of his movements and that is
where he gained enough lead to s
him the decision.
White In Slow to Attncfc.
White was slow to start, although
urged to do so by his manager. Char
lie has a nasty uppercut when he wants
to use it and that is what he should
have tried on Welsh, as Freddy usually
came in with an opening between his
gloves. White did try it in the fifth
round and was successful, but held
back again and did not get under way
till the ninth round, when he fought
like a real champion. His blows were
well timed and straight froni the shoul
der, landing solid on the mark. Walsh
was given some -hard wallops and sev
eral times appeared dazed, but he re
covered quickly and fought back like
a tiger. It was all White, too. In the
tenth and the finish set the crowd
howling mad. Many could ee nothing
but White, but the splendid work of
Walsh in the earlier rounds gave him
the shade.
DUlon'M Debut a Success.
Jack Dillon's debut into the light
heajvywelght class proved to bcr- quite
a succoss. Jack met Charley Welnert
the Brooklyn boy who has been doing
such remarkable work of late, in a six
rourd contest at Philadelphia the other
night and scored a knockout In the
second round. Dillon went into the
ring weighing 174 1-2 pounds, while his
opponent was one pound heavier. Jack
appeared to be at his best and' did not
seem to be carrying a great amount
of superfluous flesh. At that Jack
claims he can do 16 pounds at 3 oclock
easily, so as to be within the standard
middlen eight limit. However, the
chances are that he will remain among
the light heavyweights and he will not
be averse to meeting some of the
heavyweights. Weinert was consid,
ered one of the best prospects in the
east and his defeat by Dillon came
as quite a surprise to his friends.
Gllibnnn a Little Heavy.
While Dillon was blasting the hopes
of Welnert, Mike Gibbons was handing
out a similar dose to another New York
idol Young Mike DonoVan. Gibbons
was a little heavier than usual in this
contest, stripping at 154 pounds, while
Donovan scaled near the middleweight
limit. The New York boy has been
boosted as a likely candidate for mid
dleweight honors, but his defeat by
Gibbons will put him into the class of
also rans. Gibbons intends to have a
busy campaign of it this winter and
has already contracted for four con
tests at the Hudson Athletic club near
St Paul He also has matches in the
e." t. which speaks pretu well for
Michael as a mannpei
Fnior Ihynlcal Fxnnimatlon.
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physical examination by the commis
sion doctor and also be examined pre
vious to every contest The commis
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ticipating in a contest not sanctioned
by the commission will be suspended
for at least six months.
Griffiths Dolnp Fairly Well.
A letter just received from Bernle
Strapp. who Is managing Johnny Grif
fiths, the Akron (Ohio) bov who went
to Australia under contract to "Snowy"
Baker, states that Johnny Is doing all
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