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DAILY EDITION vou ix.. no. im. " ' J 7Z7ZH " " ' . OKAirra rum, toemrmm pop wtt. qkeoon, Tuesday, qctohkr , nun. whom' kumbfb smm MMJUB IIBEIE 1SI.E IB If CiHNKItALH AM) HOLOIKKM bKr. WOULD STRENGTHEN UP Omnium Are IH recti IIwJl U (Hn Country Wliere They Will Have No IKiouu or Natural lrfto" Wltb the .British Army In Francs, Oct. 8. Tba aoldlera of the tilled armies want peace, but no peare ex- cunt a comnlntelv victorious one Thtawaa the opinion expressed by officer and men alike to tha Asso ciated oreaa correspondent today Germany la now willing to admit her utter defeat, then, aay these men who have been fUhtlnK the good flcht for th llhertir of the world o much the better, but they declare the granting of an armlatii-e at this time, unle the enemy la absolutely sincere, might prove extremely aan gnroua. The auinieniilon or hostilities even for a few dayi would enable- the Gorman to continue their prepara tion of llns to which they might re tire for the winter. At the moment the lllndonlmrg ayitom ha been m ilied and the German military loader have every reason to believe that they may aoon e fighting back over country In which at present they have no lines, no dugout, no protection from the advancing allied troopa, a cessation of operations might later endanger the surcess of the allies. The alllivd armies are In a atrong position and the general feeling Is that the defeat of Germany enma sooner than expected may else where than at the front. Uw ratlrlnir nnhlndured. the Ger mans could materially shorten llielr lino, .nil mv men thereby. Thus they could thicken their rank and nnh.iiiv lie utile to hold out until .l WW... all the new 1920 class of about GOO, 000 young men could be Incorporat ed In the unite In the battle aone. In addition'.' a ; vigorous " "combing- mil" Is In troares In 1 which will undoubtedly yield rein- IrtPHAfflAnlfl. Also machine guna could be shlp- riod Into the field to replace aome oi the Immense number the alllea have captured. A A few days' suspension of hostili ties would permit munitions of all nrta. Including ahella, of which there la now a great acarclty behind the German line to reach the front. Right now, army officer declare, the allies are In a position to con tinue smashing the enemy, and an armistice might enable the enemy to escape tor a time' the defeat which now stare him in the face. CAMPS STILL IN GRIP OF SPANISH INFLUENZA Vancouver. Wash.. Oct. 8. Sev oral case of Influenza have been dis covered among the civilian. All places of public gathering have 'been closed. No soldier cases have yet Ibeen reported. Camp 'Lewis, Wash., Oct. 8. A modified quarantine has been order ed, closing camp theatre, the T. W. C A. hostess house and Y. M. C. A. and Knight of Columbus building, and prohibiting all Indoor assemblages. Havre, Oct. 8. The Belgian gov eminent ha Issued a statement aav log that from the' coast to beyond the city of Bruges the male pouula tlon between the ages of IS and 45 ar being brutally torn from their home and forced to labor on Ger man military work. fABl'ALTY LIST The following casualties are re ported by the commanding general of the American expeditionary forcea for today: Killed In action 78 Missing In action 107 Wounded aeverely 345 Wed of wound 14 Died of accident Wed of disease io Wounded slightly 4 Prisoner n Total . cei Killed In action Forrest R. Mc- Cullough, Portland. Wounded aeverely Willi D. Uw, Corvalll. Missing lo action John E. Ash- by. Roeeburg; Stephen F. Eberley, Portland. WESTGATE. BUILT IN ,IS Washington. Oct. 8. The Ameri can steamer Westgate, In the naval oversea transportation service, was sunk off the Atlantic coast with a loss of alx member of the crew In a collision with the ateamer Ameri can. Portland, Ore., Oct. 8 The ateam er Westgate wa built by. the Colum bia River Shipbuilding ' corporation here, and- I of steel, and 8,800 tons capacity. The ship was delivered last April. e CLAIMM TO HAVK A SUBSTITUTE FOR RADIUM Golden, Colo., Oct. 8. Dr. Rich ard B. Moore of the United States bureau of mine here announced to day he had discovered a substitute for radium which he haa named mesotllorlum. He will explain his discovery to the American Institute of Mining Engineers, which meets in Milwaukee October 10. A there are only three ounce of radium In the world'a entire supply, mesothorltim will at onoe come Into wide use as a substitute for that ele- mont In luminous nalnts. alrulane dials, compasses and gun sights, ac cording; to Dr. Moore. . (JHOCKIW MV8T (XMIKRATR Washington, Oct. 8.-'Every retail grocer In the United States will be asked this week to sign a pledge to conform to the rules and regulations of the Food Administration, and to co-operate In the saving of foodstuff AGENTS DOUBT III' LETTER AS E Washington, Oct. 8. Government Agents have discovered a letter sign ed "Heinle" addressed to a man In Mexico, ' predicting the explosion In the Gillespie shell loading plant at Morgan, N, J., last week. There Is some doubt as to" the genuineness of the letter. Wilsoa Asks Maximilian .WLether He Represents Ttase epplerlunperor Most Washington, Oct. 8 (4 p. m.) Th message President Wilsoa has sent, through Secretary Lanalng.no Gt-rmany is as follows: ; Sirs: Before making reDlv to the request of tha Imperial German government and In-order that"- the reply shall be candid and atrafiht forward aa the momentous 'Interests Involved require, the' president of the United State deems It neceaaarv to assure himself of the exact mean ing of the not of the Imperial chan cellor. 'Does the Imperial chancellor mean that the Imperial Germad gov ernment accept the term laid down by th president of the United States In hi 'address to congresa and that It object In entering Into discus sion would be only to agree noon practical detail of their application? The president feels bound to aay with regard to the discussion of the armistice that he would not fee! at liberty to propose a ' cessation of arms to the (Overnmenl with vhinh - -.... the government Of the United States' a associaiea against the central powers so long ss armies of those power are upon their soil. "The good faith of any dlacussion ould manifestly depend upon the conaent of the central powers Imme diately to withdraw their forces everywhere from Invaded territory. "The president also feel Justified In asking whether the Imperial chancellor la speaking merely for constituted authorities of the empire who have so far conducted the war. He deems the answer to these ques tion vita t' from very point of view. Accept, sir, "the renewed assur ances of my high consideration. "ROBERT LANSING." With the British lrce in France, Oct. 8 (4 p. m.) A battle begun at noon today huM rcMulted In aeriou dofoata for tlie enemy. The RritlNh, Americana and Frvnch ndvanred everywhere, miuimIUdk through the laitt lines of the Hlndonburg system. ' 'WILL FIGHT TO. FINISH ' ' tA M inn MM a wi iT?rnriirti im i H ' r.Y .MVIHAn I HKI lllliH rial ! a wis a u , i , Washington, Oct. 8. "Amer- jance in the fighting on Friday in ica will fight until victory is ,the Champagne sector. A detach- clinched." Secretary McAdoo -foment, assisted by French volunteer ' thus Indicated America's atti- -f .under an American cantaln attacked tude toward the latest German 4-, -v- peace conference proposals,' in a statement made on behalf of i the Fourth Liberty loan. He declared: "Now is the tlmo above all others not to relax. but to Intensify, our efforts so that the goal for which we have already made great sacrifices shall be won. There 1 more reason than ever before to put the 'Fourth Liberty loan over the top," ' GREAT MACHINE GUN NEST CAPTURED' BY YANKS American Headquarters in France, AccMtresldeEtVferaV Washington, Oct. 8. Immediate rejection' of the German and Aus trian proposal for an armistice and peace 'negotiations was demands In the senate yesterday by leaders voic ing the common sentiment "of the membership. . . There was no dissent from the view that an armistice would defeat air that America and the allies fc.ive been fighting' for. Bvery sneaker during two hours of 'a aplrlted ses sion devoted entirely to discussion of the enemy's latest move Joined in declaring that only through military victory could the cause of the allies and humanity he won. Washington, Oct. 8. President Wilson today conferred with Secre tary Lansing, Colonel House and Secretary ' Tnmulty. Secretary Lan sing saya that there will probably be an announcement at 4 o'clock. It Is believed that the president intend - u w riva,ucufc to flatlv refuse the armUHA Washington, Oct. 8. President Wilson today Informed Germany that before the United States can discuss an armistice German troop must withdraw from all invaded ter ritory. ' He asked Chancellor Max! mllian whether he - represented the German people or the authorities who are conducting the war. The president's message is not reply, but is only In the form of an Inquiry. Germany Is asked whether she accepts1 the terms laid down by the President in his address to con gress on January 8. and in subse quent addresses. driving 'the disorganized German before tlienv " At some points on the battle front the allies penetrated over three miles and are atlll advancing. 1'remont appears to have fallen to the Americans. Sunday, Oct. 6. Americans fighting .under command of General Gouroud re cited with an amazing perform- a very. strong machine gun nest on tne slopes of Blanc Mont which had long held up the allied advance. .With the utmost skill the nest was enveloped and captured and the n- ,tlre garrison of four officer and 269 .men wa made prisoner. Seventy- five machine guns, many trench mor tar and several tractors were taken. The Americans did not suffer a single casualty. ' Amsterdam, Oct. 8. Germany's new ministry Is one of national de rense as well as peace and is pre pared for a stand to the end against humiliating peace. Dr. Bernhard Do- ilnburg, former minister to the col- jonles declares. I ' i 4 - , . The board of directors of the Rt Cross met at luncheon this noon at the Chamber Of Commerce rooms in the regular monthly session and dis cussed matter of Importance in the Iotfal Red 'Cross work. . Then, were 25 memWs'of the board present. Chairman O. g. Blanchard gave a review ot the work of the naat month showing ' much ' accomplished. v. H. Demarar was named h chairman of th Junk committee and will have supervision of all collec tion activities. The Christmas drive for member ship; which will he launched in the near future was spoken of, and plana art now maturing. . . i: The collection of linen for hos pitals was reported 'as progressing.;. A communication from headouar- tars on 'the Importance of the pre vention of the spread of Spanish in fluenta "was' ready and Dr. Smith. county health ' Dhvsician. Dr. WUiM. elty 'health; physician, Mrs: Alice Ba con. " county -school -superintendent, and J. G. Imel, city school superin tendent, were appointed to have the matter In charge. The annual election will he held on' October 23,' and the method of selection of officers received consid eration. Rer. .Melville T. Wire was named chairman of an election. and program committee, with other members to be selected from "the membership of the Red Cross, every chapter being represented; . LIBERTY LOAN DRIVE IS FORGING AHEAD Washington, Oct. 8. The Liberty loan drive now totals 11,406.051.- 000. THE HEAVY ARTIllERY The war department la in ureent need of more men tor the heavy 'ar tillery corps and through the Dress are endeavoring to reach those who want to see real action. The follow ing appeal la made to those who are desirous of getting Into some branch of the service: 'Registered and classified men. volunteer for the heavy artillery, the service of' big guns, great high ex plosive shells, and real action. All the registered men needs to do is to write to the commanding - nfflrnp coast defenses of the Columbia, Fort Stevens, Oregon, giving his name: order and registration number; class (number and letter); present ad dress; number and address ot local board; and whether qualified i foi general or limited service; and the necessary paper will be sent to the man so that he may report for duty. "No branch of the army offers more chances not only for advance ment but for learning specialized du ties, the knowledge of which will bf very valuable later In civil life. School are provided to train men to be electricians, stenographers. telegraphers, draftsmen, surveyors, telephone men, truck and auto driv ers, and various other technical and scientific work. All of this is vital ly necessary to the successful opera tions oMhe great "heavies" that are 'being amassed in great numbers and with more power. "Regiments for overseas are being sent at frequent Intervals and this Is an opportunity for men qualified for this superior service. ;' "A letter to Fort Stevens with the necessary Information will, get you In while voluntary induction Is ner- MEN ARE WANTED FOR mltted. DESPITE PEACE TALK . THE WAR STILL ftAGES OS THE WEST ' x' 'rRO-VT" RTEJNWHPiW Yanks ..Fight. Their Way ,. Through Geroan Circle of Fire and Res cue American Battalion London, Oct 8. The .Turkish cabinet has resigned, according to a aispatcn. from . Switzerland. The message says there is great excite ment at Constantinople. . Amsterdam, Oct. 8. The evacua tion tor the Germans of the Belaian coast region, is continuing, j -The telephone line between, the frontier and the coast were being taken down yesterday and today. With the Americana Northwoat r Verdun, Oct, 8.-The' Antericaas,. af ter driving the enemy fruj. ChateJ I Chehery, seized the ..commanding heights west of the Aire. An im. lean battalion surrounded "br """the Germans In the Argonne forest re gion was rescued toresumabhi y oth er Americans who fought. their war through the encircling. German line. Paris, Oct. 8. -Northeast' and north of Rheims the French eon tinned their successful' advance,- and have reached the outskirts ot Coade-Sur-Sulppe at the Junction of the Suippe and the Aisne river. North or Berry-Au-tBach the French also captured Basancourt. - ' London, Oct. 8. The English and American troops attacked thla morn ing on the front between St. Quentin and Cambraf. Satisfactory ' progress is being made. The - attack was launched daring a heavy iraln which started last night. In local attacks yesterday 210 prisoners were taken. Camp Grant, Oct. 8. Colonel Hagderon committed suicide here. shooting himself in the head, while in bed. Worry over the epidemic which caused 500 deaths In the camp is believed to have been the cause. COMPROMISE ON RATE FOR SHIPPING APPLES Salem, Oct. 8. Senator MoNary has telegraphed to Fred G. iBuchtel ot the Oregon public service com mission, stating that officials of the railroad; administration and of the pwbliq service accounting department have Intimated to him that the gov ernment will agree to a rate of $1.15 per 100 pounds on aDDles for trans continental shipments.1 The present rate Is $1.25. London, Octf 8.-Germany Intends td grant pardons to a number of politicians who have been Imprison ed since1 the war began, including the socialist Dr. Karl Liebknecht and William Dlttman. according a COMMITS SUICIDE BECAOSEjDF EPIDEMIC GERMANY WILL GRANT . PARDON TO PRISONERS 'Amsterdam reports.